What Do You Mean, Born Again?

August 2, 2010   |   Category: Urgent Questions   |  

By Irvin Baxter

The term “born again” is one of the most used phrases among present-day Christians. Yet, if asked what the term born again means, most church members could not give a clear explanation. The importance of this subject is shown in what Jesus said, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). Jesus is saying that to be born again is to be saved. Being born again is the plan of salvation that Jesus authored at Calvary. It is imperative that we understand what is required for us to be born again!

All agree that when Jesus went to the cross, He brought in the means of salvation for everyone who will accept it. But what really happened at Calvary? What can it do for me? How do I accept what was done there in my own personal life?

At Calvary, there were three steps to the work of Christ: death, burial, and resurrection (I Corinthians 15:1-4). It is very easy to see that these three steps make up the act of being born again spoken of by Jesus (John 3:1-5); to die, to be buried, and to rise again—that is to be born again. So we see that Jesus, through His death, burial, and resurrection, bought for us the plan of being born again spoken of in John 3:3, whereby we receive salvation.

The fact that Jesus purchased a plan of salvation for us is the greatest news the world has ever received. The thing we must understand is that not only was it necessary for Jesus to do something, but also it is absolutely essential for us to act upon what He did. Jesus told Nicodemus, “Ye must be born again” (John 3:7).

Now the astonishing thing is that Nicodemus was a religious leader of his day; yet, he had no concept of what it meant to be born again! We find that the very same thing is true in the day in which we live. Many men and women who fill positions of spiritual leadership in our world have no real understanding of the born again experience. Nicodemus inquired of Jesus in John 3:4, “How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”

Jesus answered, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” You can’t be born again of a woman. The second birth is a spiritual birth.

Notice that Jesus said without being born again we cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. In other words, we cannot be saved. On the day of Pentecost when Peter preached the first message after Calvary, the men cried out, “What must we do?”

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost” (Acts 2:38). Peter was giving them the plan of salvation: repentance, baptism, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. If being born again is to be saved, Peter was evidently talking to them about being saved.

Remember, there were three steps to Calvary: death, burial, and resurrection. The way to accept Calvary in our individual life is to accept the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. We don’t have to literally die, be buried, and rise again. Jesus was our substitute and did this for us. All we must do is accept what He did by spiritually dying, symbolically being buried, and spiritually rising again.

Repentance

We take on His death by repentance, which is spiritual death. When a person truly repents, he dies out to his own will, renounces it forever, and vows to live from that time on according to the will of Jesus Christ.

Baptism

We take on His burial by baptism in water, by immersion into His name. Romans 6:4 says, “Therefore we are buried with him by baptism”. Baptism must be done by immersion; for something cannot be buried by sprinkling a little dirt on top of it. That burial, after a few days, would certainly prove to be insufficient! Furthermore, every baptism of which we have biblical record was administered by immersion. That alone should determine our course of action on this matter.

Infilling of the Holy Ghost

Finally, we partake of the resurrection of Jesus Christ by the infilling of the Holy Ghost. This is the new life that enables us to live as a Christian should.

We see then that being born again means to spiritually die—repent; symbolically be buried—baptism; and spiritually rise again—receive the Holy Ghost. Thus, in plain language an individual must repent of his sins, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ by immersion, and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. It says in I John 5:8, “And there are three that bear witness in the earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” What is the one thing in which the spirit, water, and blood agree? Is it not the new birth? Blood covers our sins at repentance; the waters of baptism wash them away, thus making us clean for the Spirit to come into our lives to dwell. When the Roman soldiers thrust the spear into Jesus’ side after He died, the scripture tells us that there came forth blood and water (John 19:34). This was for cleansing of the nations. It takes blood and water to eradicate sin. Blood is the cleansing agent, and water is the flushing agent. When a jar is washed for canning, soap AND water are necessary to cleanse that jar so that it might be filled with good fruit. Likewise, blood and water are necessary to cleanse the human soul so that it may receive the Spirit of Christ, which is the Holy Ghost. This teaching was verified by Peter when he said, “Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38). Repentance and baptism are both absolutely essential for the remission of sins!

Paul taught that the three steps of Calvary is the gospel that we should preach. In I Corinthians 15:1-4 he tells us, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I have preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.” Paul went on to say in II Thessalonians 1:7-8, “And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Paul told us that the gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. How can we obey the death, burial, and resurrection? We obey by repentance, baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost as we have previously explained. Notice that the Lord Jesus is to appear “in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel.” It is absolutely necessary for every human being to obey the gospel by being born again. Jesus told Nicodemus, “Ye must be born again.” (John 3:7).

The Old Testament Speaks of the Born Again Plan

Let us consider another biblical lesson given to us concerning this subject. The Bible teaches us that the things of the Old Testament were types and shadows of the things to come. When the priests of the law ministered by offering sacrifices, there were three major steps to their duties.

First they slew the animal to be offered on the brazen altar. The blood here was shed and caught into a container for use in the Holy Place. The flesh of the animal was to be consumed by fire. This teaches us the first step of salvation—repentance. When we repent, we present our bodies a living sacrifice, and our sins are covered by the blood of Jesus.

After the shedding of blood, the priests were ordered to wash at the laver and to cleanse themselves with water in preparation for entering the Holy Place. The laver, a round fountain-like structure, was overlaid in the bottom with a looking glass. When the priest bent over to wash, he was able to see himself so that he could be sure that he was clean. When an individual is baptized, he should examine himself to be sure that he is leaving the world behind once and for all.

We see then that the second step of the tabernacle ministry plainly teaches us of water baptism. Blood and water were used to cleanse and prepare them for entry into the Holy Place, even as blood and water cleanses us in preparation of receiving the Holy One into our lives!

After cleansing, the priest would take the fire from the brazen altar and enter through the veil into the Holy Place. The Holy Place had no doors or windows through which light could come. The only light would come from the golden candlesticks. These candlesticks consisted of seven wicks fed by oil from seven bowls. The wicks had to be lit with the fire brought by the priest from the brazen altar. The uniting of the oil and fire at the candlesticks to produce light is a perfect type of the Holy Ghost and fire promised to New Testament believers (Matthew 3:11). Without the light of the Holy Ghost we could not see to live in the Holy Place, which is where every Christian should live.

God spoke of His great plan of redemption in the Old Testament in types and shadows; and then in the New Testament He spoke plainly to us so that we would have no doubt of His will! Once again we recall the words of 1 John 5:8, “There are three that bear witness in the earth, the spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.” This Old Testament lesson beautifully reaffirms to us the absolute necessity of the full born again plan in each life for salvation!

Common Misconceptions 

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ

Acts 16:30-31 reads this way, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.” Many have taken this scripture to teach that all that is required for salvation is to believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world; and from that point on the individual is saved. It is definitely true that an individual must believe that Jesus is the Savior in order to be saved. However, Paul, who spoke these words in Acts 16, has some further teaching on the subject in Romans 10:13-15.

Let’s consider the text: “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent?” If we wanted to be absurd, we could take this thirteenth verse to teach that all an individual must do for salvation is to call out the name of Jesus one time and he has received salvation. Paul tells us they can’t call on him in whom they have not believed. Furthermore, he said that they couldn’t believe in him of whom they have not heard. We cannot merely believe. We must believe something about Christ. When Paul told the jailer in Acts 16 to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, he went on to speak unto him the word of the Lord (verse 32). The word which Paul spoke was apparently the gospel; for the result in verse 33 was that the jailer and all his house were baptized at midnight. That’s how essential baptism is for salvation. Paul took all these people out at midnight and baptized them!

Some would object here by saying that we are saved by faith alone. It is true that we are saved by faith, but it is also true that true faith always produces action on the part of the believer. Let’s study from James 2:14-22 to verify this point.

“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or a sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works; shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thus how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?”

When an individual believes on the Lord Jesus Christ, what do they believe about Him? They believe the gospel, which is the death, burial, and resurrection (I Corinthians 15:1-4). James teaches us that faith without action is dead, or it is not really faith at all. When a sinner hears the true gospel and truly believes, he will obey the gospel. An individual obeys the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ by repentance, baptism in Jesus’ name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking with other tongues. (see our booklet “Tongues—Devilish or Divine?”). This is the salvation of Calvary! “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?” (made complete).

If you are still having trouble conceding to this teaching because of the element of works involved, let’s reason concerning one more point. Being born again —repentance, baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost is not considered by God to be a work. In Titus 3:5 we are taught, “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and the renewing of the Holy Ghost”. This scripture tells us that regeneration, which is being born again, is not a work of righteousness.

Concluding this matter, we will cite a familiar biblical example. In the great revival at Samaria in Acts 8:5-23, a sorcerer named Simon heard the preaching of Philip. He believed and was baptized and continued with Philip beholding the signs and miracles that were done. Many people would say that because Simon believed, he was saved. Yet the Apostle Peter said of him in Acts 8:23, “For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.”

It is impossible for anyone in the bond of iniquity to be saved; for the scriptures tell us, “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed” (John 8:36). Simon believed and was baptized, but he had not received the Holy Ghost; therefore, he was not born again. We cannot be half-born and survive. The entire work of Calvary is necessary for our salvation.

The Thief on the Cross

Many have asked, “If an individual must repent, be baptized, and receive the Holy Ghost for salvation, how was the thief on the cross with Jesus saved?” (Luke 23:38-43). First of all, it was impossible for anyone to be born again at that time, for the born again plan was not yet complete. Jesus had not died, been buried, and risen again. God has always had a plan of salvation for each dispensation of time. In Noah’s day the only way of salvation was to get into the ark. In Moses’ day the only plan was the law. In the church dispensation, the only way to be saved is to be born again. Jesus told Nicodemus, “Ye MUST be born again.”

Conclusion

May we point out as we conclude this study that we have been given the first church and the Apostles after which to pattern our teaching and practices. In each recorded account of conversions under the Apostles’ ministries, the three steps of being born again are evident. In Acts 2:38 it was repentance, baptism, and the Holy Ghost. In Acts 8:12, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:1-6, we find the born again experience taught and received. Why should we vary from this practice when we are to be built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Cornerstone?

Do not allow anything to turn you aside from this truth: you must be born again. If you haven’t as yet, you should do so today!

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134 Responses to “What Do You Mean, Born Again?”

  1. Marc Molyneux

    Bro DOUG: don’t know why the last couple of my questions were deleted but one of them referred to you questioning Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostals, as to why they are so fixed on water baptism not being necessary for salvation; and another question simply asked of what denomination or persuasion you were. Where can I find your tenants of faith or what your ministry believes?

  2. Lee George

    Hey Doug,
    thanks for taking the time to write me back. I really appreciate it.

    So usually when I read the Bible I just take it for what it says. And if I come across something that contradicts what other parts say I investigate and try to figure out what it actually means.

    So we know that John 3:16 Says for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life

    But then we read over in acts 2:38 .
    And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
    Acts 2:38 ESV
    https://bible.com/bible/59/act.2.38.ESV

    So is the Bible contradicting itself?

    Because in John it simply says believe n Christ and be saved.

    But in Acts it seems to say that you must be baptized in order to be justified.

    What if I told you to grab your coat and run or you’ll miss your train.
    Grabbing your coat had nothing in any way to do with whether or not you would actually make it to the train or not even though I used it in my sentence.
    What did the writer actually mean in what he said in acts 2:38

    These are my thoughts on Acts 2:38
    When I think of it in this way it doesn’t conflict with John 3:16.
    God bless

    So either the Bible is contradicting itself or we are misinterpreting one of the Bible verses

    • Doug Norvell

      Lee,

      So many times, people will look at a scripture and take it out of context. Many believe and I used to myself, that John 3:16 is the gospel. However that isn’t the case at all.
      Paul states the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
      2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

      Paul says the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Gospel THAT SAVES YOU! Is the death, the burial and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Then Paul says you must obey the gospel of Jesus or face fiery vengeance, in 2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

      So, if the gospel is the death, burial and the resurrection, how do you obey that. It is this simple, death= Repentance (1 Cor. 15:31), Burial= Baptism (Romans 6:3-5) Resurrection= Receiving the Holy Ghost (Romans 8:11).

      If you look closer at John 3 way before we get down to belief, Jesus speaks of being born again.
      John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
      4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
      5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

      Being born again in water and the Spirit is told to Nicodemus way before Jesus gets down to belief, of coarse it takes belief to say I need to repent, and be baptized and receive God’s Spirit. The bible says this is foolishness to an unbeliever.

    • Lee George

      Hey Doug,

      Let me follow your thinking on what you’re saying about Jesus and Nicodemus. This conversation took place before Jesus died on the cross and Rose on the 3rd day. Right?
      Jesus had yet died and Rose again.

      What did Jesus say to the thief on the cross after this event that is (when Jesus and Nicodemus have their conversation.)
      The thief said to Jesus, ” Lord remember me when you enter into your kingdom. ”
      And Jesus said “Today, you will be with me in Paradise”

      Water baptism wasn’t required for the thief on the cross.
      I would challenge you to think about this my friend.

      • Doug Norvell

        The thief on the cross died before the resurrection took place. He was under the dispensation of the Law. Plus, the lamb that he recognized as the savior, was being offered at that very moment. The Holy Ghost couldn’t be poured out until Jesus was crucified, resurrected and ascended to heaven. We know this because of scriptures like these; John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

        John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
        10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

        So, under the new dispensation of grace, Jesus gave very specific instructions, Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
        46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.48 And ye are witnesses of these things.49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

        Jesus tells the disciples to go and wait in Jerusalem until the Holy Ghost comes, then go and teach repentance and remission of sins in His Name. And when the Spirit came on them they would know exactly what to say and do.

        Acts 2:38 was that day my friend, they did exactly what Jesus told them to do teach repentance and baptism for the remission of sins. And if you notice the scriptures say, this is for you, your children and all whom the Lord our God shall call, meaning this is the plan for everyone.

        Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
        39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

        • Lee George

          Hi Dave S
          I wasn’t talkin about trinitarian Doctrine or the doctrine modalism if that’s How you say it. That’s a different topic for another day.

          My topic and concern was how one is Justified before God.

          That should be more important than any other doctrine of the Bible because that’s how we have fellowship with God. And how one moves from Eternal damnation to eternal life.

          Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
          John 5:24 ESV

          Romans 5:1
          Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

          Does this conflict with Acts 2:38?

          Are there errors in the Bible?

          What was the writer of Acts 2:38 actually trying to imply?

          Btw This is kind of a Hard platform to communicate on. I’m doing this on my smartphone. And it’s very small.
          Feel free to call me anytime 205-796-4768.
          I love talking about spiritual matters.

          For Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.

          • Doug Norvell

            Hello Lee,

            Jesus explained to Nicodemus in John 3:3-5 what it means to be born again. New birth in the water and the Spirit. Jesus said in Mark 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. On the day that the Apostles had been told to wait in Jerusalem for the infilling of the Holy Ghost and then preach the Gospel in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the outermost parts of the world, what was that message? Acts 2:38 Repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus for the Remission of sin (WATER) and receive the Holy Ghost (SPIRIT). The next verse says this is for you, your children and all of those far off, as many as the Lord God shall call. This is the plan of Salvation for everyone, from that day until Jesus comes back.
            Do you believe Paul taught another gospel? Here is what happened to Him. Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
            6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

            What was he told to do in the City? Acts 22 has the answer.
            Acts 22: 16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

            He also said THE GOSPEL is 1 Corinthians 15:Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
            2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
            3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
            4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

            The Gospel that saves you is the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. The way to obey that gospel is repent=death to self, baptism=burial, resurrection=receiving the Holy Ghost.

          • Lee George

            Hey Doug,
            Thanks for writing me back.
            I will agree with you. That one has to die to self.
            For Jesus said if anybody wants to follow me let him, Deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me, This is the road that we are called to follow..
            For wide is the gate. And Broad the road that leads to destruction.
            The word repent actually means in the Greek to change one’s mind. The Mind controls the actions of a person. So we are called to put to death the Deeds of the Flesh and put on Christ. This actually takes place in the mind, the moment. We put our faith and trust in Jesus and what he did for us. And from that instance our minds and hearts are transformed. We no longer love sin but we love righteousness and want to follow Christ. When we believe in the finished work of Christ and what he did for us. We are changed into a new person. The Holy Spirit comes in and makes us new. We are baptized because Christ commanded us to be baptized in the scriptures. We are signifying that we have died to the Flesh and risen with Christ..

            I am in no way an expert on theology. This is just my understanding from reading the Bible through the years.
            Peace to you
            lgeorge155@gmail.com

    • Hello Lee George – Please consider the following. Many solely base their salvation on John 3:16, but Jesus wasn’t finished speaking yet . Later after he rose from the dead and before he ascended into heaven he said in Mark 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned..” At about that same time he also said in Matthew 28:19,”Go therefore and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.” Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Jesus disciples never used the words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost when they baptized anyone in water, nor did they use those words in one sentence regarding any other topic. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they said Jesus name at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5 , and Acts 22:16. In other words they were doing exactly what Jesus said to do in Matthew 28:19. All of the above proves the name of the Father is Jesus, the name of the Son is Jesus, and the name of the Holy Ghost /Holy spirit is Jesus. Those scriptures are some of many that prove there is no such thing as the Trinity as Catholics, Protestants, and most Pentecostal/Charismatic Churches teach it to be. Irvin Baxter has an excellent 51 minute DVD available that scripturaly proves that the doctrine of the Trinity is the focal point of false Christianity.

  3. Marc Molyneux

    Wow! How can you extrapolate the dialog between Jesus and Nicodemus about salvation to say that you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven or be saved unless you find someone to agree to submerge you in water etc. A person’s salvation is not dependent on another person. Any individual can be saved if he repents and believes in Jesus as his savior.

    You don’t have to go to other scriptures in every case to substantiate your position. Most scripture stands on its own in the context it is written. This is certainly one of those.

    There are almost infinite examples of situations where a person can come to the point in his or her life that they want to be with Jesus for eternity via salvation….and they may not have anyone available to water baptize them. They may die shortly after they accept Christ as their Savior. They will not be turned away by Christ.

    Why would you promote such a notion that you cannot be saved on your own recognizance and accepting Christ. You don’t need anyone’s assistance to be saved.

    I find great value in your ministry and watch every episode of Endtimes and share what I have learned from you but I know some articles of your beliefs are misguided.
    Best Regards

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Mark,

      What does this scripture say baptism is for? Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

      • Marc Molyneux

        Yes, it says to repent and be baptized …. as you are saved at the specific point of repentance; the water does not save you but is commanded by Christ as an outward sign of Christianity or a follower of Christ )

        There are many scriptures which make the case as to what is specifically necessary to be saved:

        Romans10:9-10
        1John 1:9
        Romans 10:13
        Matthew 10:32
        Romans 3:28
        Romans 5:1
        Romans 4:5
        Acts 13:38-39
        And one of the most referred to Scriptures in the Bible: JOHN 3:16

        It’s not the water that effects our union with Christ. The water is a picture or outward sign of the cleansing. But faith in the heart, the call on the Lord from faith, is what unites us and forgives us.

        If your interpretation of the scripture are correct then the ones I have listed here are in contradiction to the ones you cite. One would have to draw the conclusion that there are contradictions in the Bible … is that true?

        Best Regards

        • Doug Norvell

          Another question that I asked you earlier, did Abraham have to do anything else beside just believe? In other words, did God require an action on Abraham and his house hold in order to be in covenant with God?

          • Lee George

            Romans 10:9 says
            If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved. For with the heart One Believes and is Justified and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

            John 3:16 Says for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved. Those who believe in him are not condemned. But those who don’t believe in him or condemned already because I have not believed in the one and only son of God

            For it is by Grace you have been saved through faith and not of yourselves, but it is the gift of God. Not of Works lest any man should boast

            From these verses I just quoted from the Bible it clearly states that salvation is by grace alone in Christ alone through faith alone.

            If you read the book of Galatians. Paul address the church about a certain group that wanted to add circumcision to become right with God. I think it’s Galatians chapter 6.
            God Bless

          • Doug Norvell

            Lee,

            If you read Romans 1 it is addressed to Saints, the already saved. The Romans 6 covers baptism, Romans 8 covers the Holy Ghost, Romans 10, Paul is speaking about the Jews salvation, that they need to believe that Jesus is Lord. He isn’t speaking to the church of Rome about Salvation, they already have it.

            Who is the letter addressed to?
            Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints.

            Baptism:
            Romans 6:What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
            3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
            5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

            Holy Ghost;
            Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
            10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
            11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

            Who is Paul speaking of?

            Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.(Paul is speaking about the Jewish people being saved).
            2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
            3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

            And yes Paul says this but, he isn’t saying that is all. The Roman church came through the born again salvation, Paul has already explained it in the other two chapters, he is saying the Jews need to do this as well.

            Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
            10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

            The Ethiopian Eunuch also confessed Jesus as Lord, but he understood he needed water baptism, even though Philip taught him about Jesus from Isaiah 53, which says nothing about water baptism. Why do you think that is? Because Philip taught Him what Jesus said to be born again, you must be born of the water and the Spirit. John 3:3-5 just before you get to John 3:16…

            Acts 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
            28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
            29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
            30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
            31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
            32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
            33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
            34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
            35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
            36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
            37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
            38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
            39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

            We do not need a physical circumcision anymore, because now we have a Spiritual one, Paul addressed this in Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
            12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
            13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses

            Baptism in Jesus Christ is your circumcision… And Jesus said Himself in Mark’s gospel at the great commission, Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

            Lord bless you

          • To Lee George – In addition to what Doug very well stated below – you mentioned John 3:16. But Jesus wasn’t finished speaking yet. Later after he rose from the dead and just before he ascended into heaven he said in Mark 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned.” At about that same time Jesus said in Matthew 28:19,”Go therefore and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.” Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they said Jesus name at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. Those scriptures prove the name of the Father is Jesus, the name of the Son is Jesus, and the name of the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is Jesus. You mentioned Romans 10:9 and Galatians – Paul wrote those books, Paul himself was baptized in water in Jesus name by Ananias in Acts 9:17-18 – also addressed in Acts 22:16. Paul BAPTIZED others in water in Jesus name in Acts 16:14, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, and Acts 19:3-5. Jesus told Peter in Matthew 16:19 that he was given the keys to the Kingdom Of Heaven and that whatever he bound on earth was bound in heaven and whatever he loosed on earth was loosed in heaven, which means whatever Peter said was NOT negotiable. Peter was asked by the people what they needed to do to be SAVED in Acts 2:37, he responded in Acts 2:38-39,”Repent and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the PROMISE is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Peter said in 1 Peter 3:21,”The like figure where unto
            BAPTISM DOES ALSO NOW SAVE US…..” It does so because it remits sin, meaning the initial remission of sins and not the confessing of sin later addressed in 1 John 1:9. In Acts 8:14-18 Peter and John went down to Samaria to LAY HANDS ON THE SAMARIANS TO RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST because they had only been BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord Jesus. In Acts 10:44-48 as Peter was speaking to Cornelius and those with him the Holy Ghost fell on them and THEY SPOKE IN TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GAVE UTTERANCE, then Peter immediately commanded them to be baptized in Jesus name.
            God Bless You Also Lee.

          • Marc Molyneux

            Abraham was already saved as opposed to be in a covenant with God as He told Abraham and household to be circumcised. Abraham was saved before God’s request.

          • Doug Norvell

            Marc,
            You may need to read a little closer,
            Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
            2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
            3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
            4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
            5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
            6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
            7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
            8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
            9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
            10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
            11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
            12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
            13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
            14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

            If he had not been circumcised, he would have broken the Covenant with God. It says so right there in the scripture.

            It was a requirement…

  4. Candice Smith

    I have had many prayers answered over my lifetime-and it was only when I returned to my Catholic faith and received Communion on a regular basis that I truly came back to the Lord. I was baptized as an infant, and my faith growing up and now is strong-if this baptism was not sufficient, why were my prayers answered?

    • Doug Norvell

      Candice,

      God has people in the Catholic church, good people that He loves. He is calling them out. You are seeking Him and He is leading you into more and more truth. This is why you are here asking these questions. Cornelius, was such a man. He was seeking the Lord even though he was a Gentile leader of Roman military forces. However, even though he prayed and gave offerings and took care of the widows and poor, he still wasn’t saved. An Angel came down and told him to send for Peter and Peter came and gave them the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the death, burial and resurrection. They were then filled with the Holy Ghost and Baptized in the Name of Jesus, for the remission of sins.
      This account is found in Acts 10 & 11.
      So, God will still answer prayers of a person who is seeking for more truth. I encourage you to ask, seek and knock, because Jesus says it will be given to you.

  5. I was doing a bit of studying concerning our current White House inhabitants. Actually I was looking to see what that “whore” was up to; I seen an article recently, stating she was having a “sleep over” May 14, 2020 in Rome. Well, so I clicked on your web site. And after reading your description of “her”, I knew I was in good company. I was raised by a One God, John 3, Matthew 16:19, Acts 2:38, Holy Ghost filled preacher. I’m 63 now, and I am truly thankful my earthy Father knew The Truth ! Thank you for remaining true to the Gospel of The Only Jesus I know ! I believe we are seeing the Bible Prophecies being fulfilled in real time each and every day. May God richly bless and keep you. Look up your redemption draweth nigh ! Please pray for me. I am not where I should be with God. My walk has been anything but straight. Romans 7:19-25 But my inward man still enjoys the Word of God more than all this world has offered me. Jesus has been more than good to me. Thank You.
    Mark H. Genn

  6. The following scriptures prove a person is not automatically Saved just because they are a Believer, and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit does not automatically dwell in a person because they are a Believer: Jesus said in Mark 16:16,”He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned.” About that same time Jesus said in Matthew 28:19,”Go therefore and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.” Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Matthew 28:19 is one of many scriptures that proves the name of the Father is Jesus, the name of the Son is Jesus, and the name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they said Jesus name at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. Jesus told Peter in Matthew 16:19 that he was given the keys to kingdom of heaven and that whatever he bound on earth was bound in heaven and whatever he loosed on earth was loosed in heaven, which means that whatever Peter said to do was NOT negotiable. In Acts 2:37 Peter was asked by the people what they needed to do to be SAVED. Peter responded in Acts 2:38-39,”Repent and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the PROMISE is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Peter also said in 1 Peter 3:21,”The like figure where unto even BAPTISM does also now save us….” It does so because it remits sin, meaning the INITIAL remission of sins and not the confessing of sins later addressed in 1 John 1:9, which is 18 Chapters AFTER the book of Acts. Acts 8:14-18,”Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God (BELIEVERS at that point), they sent unto them Peter and John, 15 Who when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost, 16 For as yet he was fallen on none of them, only they were BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then LAID THEY THEIR HANDS ON THEM and they RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST. 18 And when Simon saw that through THE LAYING ON OF THE APOSTLES HANDS the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money.” Note that although those Samarians were BELIEVERS they were baptized in Jesus name, and although they were believers they did not receive the Holy Ghost until Peter and John had laid hands on them. Acts 10:44-48,”While Peter yet spake these words, THE HOLY GHOST FELL ON THEM WHICH HEARD THE WORD. 45 And they of the circumcision which were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 FOR THEY HEARD THEM SPEAK WITH TONGUES and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.” Note that 43 verses earlier in Acts 10:1-3 it states that Cornelius was a devout man, one that feared God with all his house, (BELIEVERS), which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always, yet they had not received the Holy Ghost until they SPOKE WITH TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GAVE UTTERANCE as they were listening to Peter, and then Peter IMMEDIATELY commanded them to be baptized in water in Jesus name. Acts 10:1-43 and Acts 11:1-18 explains why Peter did not lay hands on them to receive the Holy Ghost, which is because Peter and the disciples with him did not think that salvation was available to the Gentiles. By giving Cornelius and those with him the gift of Tongues, God showed Peter that salvation was available to the Gentiles.
    Acts 19:1-7,”And it came to pass that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus, (Paul later wrote Ephesians and 1st and 2nd Corinthians) finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you BELIEVED? And they said unto him, we have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were you baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul LAID HIS HANDS ON THEM, the Holy Ghost came on them and THEY SPAKE WITH TONGUES and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about 12.”
    Jesus said in John 3:3-7,”Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man BE BORN AGAIN, he can not see the kingdom of God. 5 Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God. 7 Marvel not that I say unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.” Being born of water is being baptized in water in Jesus name, which is for the remission of sins, being baptized of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost.
    If you are interested in getting baptized in water in Jesus name and getting baptized with the Holy Ghost – call Dave Robbins or the Moderator Doug Norvell at End Time and they will tell you of a Church nearest you that will do that, or you can do a search and type in, “United Pentecostal Church International”. When on the website slightly scroll down to just below the red box, type in your zip code and city, then a screen will show a Church near you that will do that.
    DaveS

    • Marc Molyneux

      You clearly state that being “baptized” can mean being baptized in water and being baptized in the Holy Spirit (water not involved). Baptism has more than one meaning, depending on the context. You can be baptized with a fruitful life or baptized in fear etc.

      Actually, it’s heresy to say your sins are forgiven by the mere action of being water baptized. You must be sorry for your sins and ask forgiveness.

      Baptism is a command from Jesus, but not necessary for salvation. The Ten Commandments are in fact commands from God but you can get to heaven even if you don’t obey those commands.

      Also, it’s out of context to assert Jesus is telling Nicodemus one must be born again and to say that means or includes water baptism. It says ….. to be born of water ( the water in a mother’s womb) and then be born again “spiritually”. You can’t be born spiritually if you haven’t been physically born first ( the first birth).

      Following , baptism in water is not necessary for salivation bad stated in Romans 10; 9-10.

      To say you must be water submersed as part of salvation means that anyone in their deathbed who wants to be saved, cannot, because he doesn’t have the means to be water baptized. A soldier on the battlefield who decides he wants to accept Christ and be saved could not be saved if water baptism is a must. There are endless examples where water baptism is not available.

      God will not turn away a sorrowful person who want to accept His Son as his Savior.

      • Hello Mark Mulyneux – You are saying what you want to be true rather than what is true. You said the water at baptism is the water from a mother’s womb but that can’t be true because that water happens to every one that was born. You mentioned Romans 10:9-10 – Paul wrote Romans and the next 12 books in the New Testament. Paul himself was baptized in water in Jesus name in Acts 9:18, also referenced to in Acts 22:16, which is when Ananias told him to rise and WASH AWAY HIS SINS CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD (Jesus). Paul baptized others in Jesus name in Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, and Acts 19:6. Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by any man but was taught directly by Jesus himself, which means that everything Paul said was exactly what Jesus told him to say. Paul also said in Galatians 1:8-9,”But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you (such as those that say water baptism is not needed) than that you have received, let him be ACCURSED.” Paul revealed what accursed means in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9,”In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. (such as those that don’t get baptized in water in Jesus name) 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.” As of about 4 years ago there is approximately 2 million people visiting this website per month and that doesn’t include the additional millions on YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram. That means there is likely many young people visiting this website. Regarding misleading young people, such as those that say water baptism in Jesus name is not needed – Jesus said in Matthew 18:6-7,”But who shall offend (mislead) one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were DROWNED IN THE DEPTHS OF THE SEA. 7 WOE unto the world because of offences! (misleading) for it must needs be that offences come, but woe to that man that the offences come from!” Should people heed what you say or should they heed the exact words of Jesus and his disciples?

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          • Doug Norvell

            Marc,
            You never answered my question. What does the scripture Acts 2:38 say Baptism is for?

            Let’s look at who the book of Romans is for, Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
            These people the letter is for are for a saved church! Not the lost. And to say that you can take that one verse out of the bible and tell people this is all you have to do is believe and confess, when Paul spend two other chapters before 10 covering baptism in Jesus name and the Holy Ghost. Have you looked at those scriptures or do you just jump straight the 10 on your Romans Road?

            Baptism;

            Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

            So, Paul’s audience have been through the Baptism in Jesus name.

            Holy Ghost;

            Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
            10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

            So, Paul is saying if they are not filled with the Spirit of the Lord, not only do they have no place with Him, but they have no resurrection power.
            Paul covers both the water baptism and the Spiritual baptism of the Born Again experience, before he gets to chapter 8. So now lets look at that scripture.

            Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.(Who is Paul talking about here? The Jews).
            2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.(The have the Zeal of worshipping God, but not the knowledge of who He is, “Jesus”).
            3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.(What is this righteousness of God, how does one submit to it?). This is what Jesus said. (Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.) What is being said is that baptism fulfills all righteousness, Paul also says the same. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.)
            4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
            5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
            6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
            7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
            8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
            9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
            10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
            11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
            12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
            13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.(Paul did the same at his conversion, Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.) (Once again I ask you Marc, what does scripture say that baptism in Jesus name is for?).
            14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
            15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

            Paul ends this by saying how will the Jews believe, that is who Paul was talking about in this text, the unbelieving Jews, Paul was telling the saved believers in Rome that this salvation is also for the unbelieving Jews. This was not to the believing church, other then to fire them up to preach the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ to everyone Jew and Gentile.

            Believing is a huge part, without belief you would never confess you need saving, without belief a person would never get into water to be baptized. But Jesus said Himself it is required for the born again experience. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

            You can call me misguided all you like, but I haven’t insulted you or called you names, I have only shown you what the Word of God says.

            There is much more, but I don’t want to give you too much to think on at one time. If you are truly seeking the truth, it is write there, Look at it, pray over it and ask the Lord to help you. I had to do that myself, I came from the Baptist church, I believed like you do, until I started searching.
            Lord bless you and keep you

  7. Salvation by works is heresy. Believing in Jesus with all your, heart, mind, and soul will save you. It is by faith that saves us. Pretending that we can go without sinning, or pretending that you have to do works is an insult to Jesus dying on the cross for us, Paul says the same thing. You spewing the Calvinist/Catholic doctrine of works based salvation, and leading people astray. Repenting means to turn towards Jesus, and believe in him.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Rob,
      Consider for a moment what Paul says, 1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

      Paul says the gospel, he preached and what saves you is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

      2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. (NOTICE: Paul says Jesus is bringing judgment on those that obey not the GOSPEL of Jesus).

      How do you obey the death, burial and resurrection?

      Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Repent=death/dying to self, baptism=burial, Romans 6:3, receiving the Holy Ghost= Resurrection, Romans 8:11).
      JESUS said;
      Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Repentance and remission of sin in HIS name, how are sins remitted? Acts 2:38 says baptism in Jesus name remits sins, that isn’t a work that we do, Jesus has already done it, but it is a requirement.)

      Matthew 3:13 Then Jesus went from Galilee to the Jordan River to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to talk him out of it. “I am the one who needs to be baptized by you,” he said, “so why are you coming to me?” 15 But Jesus said, “It should be done, for we must carry out all that God requires.[f]” So John agreed to baptize him.(f.3:15 Or for we must fulfill all righteousness, KJV).

      Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

      If you would like to discuss this more, please email me dnorvell@endtime.com

        • Doug Norvell

          Marc,

          You are misreading the entire text, and this is why you cannot understand. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

          What is the subject? Being born again, a second birth.
          Nicodemus was being like you are, trying to twist it around to a physical thing. John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? (PHYSICAL)

          Now Jesus is explaining a Spiritual second birth is still talking about being born again, not a physical birth;
          John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.(THE BORN AGAIN ACT REQUIRES WATER AND SPIRIT).
          JESUS also says this in Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
          16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.(WATER)
          17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues(SPIRIT).

  8. Many ask their Priest or Pastor if speaking in Tongues as the Spirit gives utterance is important to be Saved and they say something like,”Definitely not.” They say that because they don’t know about the following scriptures, or have ignored them. Please note the information below is not taught at any Catholic or Protestant Church, nor is it taught at any Catholic or Protestant Seminary School, or at any Catholic or Protestant Divinity School.
    The following is some word for word scriptures about speaking in Tongues as the Spirit gives utterance:
    Jesus said in Mark 16:17,”And these signs shall follow them that believe, In my name shall they cast out devils, they shall SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES.” Jesus previously told his disciples in Acts 1:8,”But you will receive POWER after the Holy Ghost is come upon you and you shall be witnesses unto ME both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth.”
    Acts 2:3-4, (at Pentecost),”And it appeared to unto them cloven TONGUES LIKE AS OF FIRE, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST, and they began TO SPEAK WITH OTHER TONGUES as the SPIRIT GAVE THEM UTTERANCE.”
    Acts 8:14-17,”Now when the apostles, which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John. 15 Who when they were come down, prayed for them that they MIGHT RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST. 16 For as yet he was fallen upon none of them, only they were BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS. 17 Then LAID THEY THEIR HANDS ON THEM and they RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST.”
    Acts 9:17-18, (Paul’s baptism)”And Ananias went his way and entered into the house, and PUT HIS HANDS ON HIM and said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto you in the way as you came, has sent me, that you might receive your sight, AND BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST. 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes that as it had been scales, he received his sight forthwith, and arose, and was BAPTIZED.”
    Acts 10:44-48, (Peter speaking to Cornelius and those with him), “While Peter yet spake these words, THE HOLY GHOST FELL ON THEM which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, that on the Gentiles also was poured out the GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. 46 For they heard them SPEAK WITH TONGUES and magnify God, and then answered Peter. 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be BAPTIZED, which have received the HOLY GHOST as well as we. 48 And he commanded them to be BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.”
    In Acts 19:1-6, Paul met 12 believers in Ephesus and asked them, 2 Have you received the Holy Ghost since you BELIEVED? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were you baptized? And they said unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS. 6 And when Paul LAID HIS HANDS ON THEM, the Holy Ghost came on them, and they SPOKE WITH TONGUES and prophesied.” Those scriptures prove that just because a person is a believer does not mean they are automatically saved, and just because a person is a believer does not mean they automatically have the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.
    Jesus said in John 7:38-39,”He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly SHALL FLOW RIVERS OF LIVING WATER. 39 But this he spoke of the SPIRIT, which they that believe on him should receive, for the HOLY GHOST was not yet given, because that Jesus was not yet glorified.”
    Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by any man, but was taught by Jesus himself, which means that everything Paul said was exactly what Jesus told him to do.
    Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:2,”He that SPEAKS IN AN UNKNOWN TONGUE EDIFIES HIMSELF….”
    Paul said that Jesus said in 1 Corinthians 14:21,”In the law it is written, With men of other TONGUES and other lips will I speak unto this people, and yet for all that, THEY WILL NOT HEAR ME, saith the Lord.” Verse 39 says,”Wherefore brethren, covet to prophesy, AND FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES.”
    The following scriptures prove that when a person first speaks with tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, it is at that moment the Spirit of Christ initially dwells in them:
    Paul said in Galatians 3:27,”For as many of you as have been BAPTIZED into Christ HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.”
    Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:22,”Wherefore TONGUES are for a SIGN (or PROOF they received the Holy Ghost)….”
    Paul said in Romans 8:9-11,”But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, HE IS NONE OF HIS. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU.” That is referring to being raised up to meet Jesus in the air at the Rapture which is referred to in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, which Paul also wrote. If a person has not been baptized in Jesus name, meaning Jesus name is said at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:17-18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16 – which all of those WERE FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN, and has not been baptized with Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit, they will not have that Spirit that will allow them to meet Jesus in the air at the Rapture, and therefore not be saved. All the above is exactly what Jesus meant in John 3:7,”You MUST be born again.” In John 3:5 he said,”Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God.” Regarding Baptism – Jesus said in Mark 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned.” There Jesus links not being baptized with damnation. Being born of water is being immersed in water (baptized) in Jesus name, being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.
    If you’re interested in being baptized in water in Jesus name and being baptized with the Holy Ghost – call End Time and ask to talk to Dave Robbins or Doug Norvell and they will tell you of a Church near you that will do that. Or you can do a search and type in,”United Pentecostal Church International”, then slightly scroll down to the red box, then type in your zip code and city. A screen will show a Church near you that baptizes in water in Jesus name and you will likely be baptized with the Holy Ghost before you leave.
    No Catholic Church will do it because they condemn water baptism in Jesus name, declared it invalid, and used the word INVALID in the New Catholic Encyclopedia Volume 2, page 66, the Catholic Encyclopedia, also in Catholic Catechism 232, 233, and 1226-1284, and also in Chapter 7 of the 16 chapter Catholic Didache. No Protestant Church will do it because they teach water baptism is not needed, nor was it done in Jesus name.
    Jesus said in John 10:37,”My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
    DaveS

  9. Sherri M Campbell

    I have a question I heard you the other night say that you’re not saved unless you’ve been baptized? Correct? This is a symbolic act that we do for our faith we’re saved by faith in our Savor Jesus Christ correct and thief on the cross couldn’t have been baptized and the Lord plainly said today you’ll meet me in paradise the Lord isn’t a liar correct? So why should we ever go to hospitals and try to save someone dying or to nursing homes or jails or any place where people can never get baptized we’re just wasting our time right? I’m not trying to be smart sounding I just want to know why we should even try to reach them if there’s no since in them ever truly getting saved are they? I just think faith saves us not the symbolic acts I have been wrong before there so many scriptures that tells us our faith saves us not symbolic acts that we do?

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Sherri,

      The thief on the cross died before the plan of salvation was completed. Jesus had not yet died, been resurrected and ascended. The plan of salvation was given on the day of Pentecost, when Peter gave the instructions found in Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
      38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

      Notice, when the people asked what shall we do? Peter told them exactly what to do. Repent, be baptized and receive the Holy Ghost. Also notice, what it says baptism is for “the remission of sins.” To remove your sins, when you are baptized in the name of Jesus, the death of Jesus is applied to your life and your sins are washed away. Also, Peter says this is for “Everyone” as many as the Lord shall call.

      When Saul/Paul was converted, look at what he was told he needed to do. Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

      When Peter went to Cornelius’ house and they all received the Holy Ghost, look at what Peter told them, Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

      48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. (Peter COMMANDED they be baptized). Why would he do this? Look at what Peter wrote about baptism;
      1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (EVEN BAPTISM also SAVES us).

      Paul met 12 Disciples and asked them about their baptism. Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.7 And all the men were about twelve.

      Finally, what did Jesus say about Baptism? Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      I hope this is helpful, if you have more questions, please email me dnorvell@endtime.com

      • Marc Molyneux

        Please Dave, answer the other part of her question : why bother going to hospitals (and other situations where it is not possible for water baptism) and try to lead those near death to Salvation through Christ.
        Thanks

          • Marc Mokyneux

            You answer my question with a question. It would be very helpful to know what happens to people who are in hospitals or on the battlefield or in car accidents at the point of death or in many other situations where they want to be saved but cannot be water baptized due to there situation… do they, since they are not baptized in water, go to Hell ??

          • Doug Norvell

            My job is to teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to whoever will listen. I’m not the God, I do not determine what happens. But according to the Gospel which is defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 the Gospel that saves you, is the death, burial and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Peter tells you how to obey this in Acts 2 :38 Death=repentance, Burial=Baptism in Jesus Name (Romans 6:4) and Resurrection=Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11).

            Our God is a gracious, wonderful, forgiving God and He can allow anyone He deems righteous to enter in to Heaven at any given time. I only preach and teach what His Word says.
            If I drove up on a terrible car wreck and I knew the person was dying, I would pray for them, but ultimately I have no control over who is saved or who isn’t. I can only point the way, using the scriptures. Every man must work out his own Salvation with fear and trembling…

        • Doug Norvell

          Marc,
          You still have not answered my question, what does the scripture say baptism in Jesus name is for? Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

          Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

  10. Fitsum Mebrahtu

    Amazing! I praise the LORD for your teaching . I understood more : what to be born again mean, than previous I had. May the LORD extend your age to help many around the world like me.

    • Hello Fitsum Mebrahtu – I’m glad you want to have the Born Again experience which will be the most important thing you ever did in your life. In addition to what Irvin Baxter well stated – Jesus said in John 3:3-7,”Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born again, he can not enter into the kingdom of God. 5 Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God. 7 Marvel not that I said unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.” The book of Acts is the longest and most important book in the New Testament yet it is the most ignored. All of it is about what Jesus disciples said what we must do to be SAVED, which is repentance, being baptized in water in Jesus name – meaning Jesus name is said at baptism, which is Acts 2:38, Act 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16, and being baptized with the Holy Ghost. Jesus disciples were doing exactly what Jesus said to do in Matthew 28:19,”Go there for and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.” Father is a title and not a name, Son is a title and not a name, Holy Ghost is a title and not a name. Jesus disciples never used the words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost when they baptized anyone, nor did they use those words in one sentence regarding any other topic. Every time it is mentioned that people received the Holy Ghost they spoke in Tongues as the Spirit gives utterance, which is Acts 2:4 (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-5. When a person receives the Holy Ghost, it is at that moment when the Spirit of Christ first dwells in them. After Pentecost – every time the Holy Ghost was received, except in Acts 10:44-48, it was received by the laying on of hands, which is Acts 8:16-18, Acts 9:17 (Paul’s baptism), and Acts 19:5-6. In Acts 10:44-48 Peter didn’t lay hands on Cornelius and those with him to receive the Holy Ghost because Peter didn’t believe at that time that salvation was available to the Gentiles, which is explained in Acts 10:1-43 and Acts 11:1-5.
      Please call Dave Robbins or Doug Norvell at 800-363-8463, tell them where you live and they will give you a Church, or Churches nearest you that will do all of the above. Or you can do a search and type in, “United Pentecostal Church International.” When on the website slightly scroll down to just below the red box, then type in your zip code and city, then a screen will show Churches near you that will do that.
      DaveS

  11. In addition to the text below about hell, I want to add some “Good News Scriptures”:

    Matthew 11:28-30, “Come unto ME all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of ME, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

    John 14:1-3, “Let not your heart be troubled, you believe in God, believe also in ME. 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions, if it were not so I would have told you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there you may be also.”

    Psalms 37:4-5, “Delight thyself also in the Lord and HE shall give you all the desires of your heart. 5 Commit thy way unto the Lord, trust also in HIM, and HE shall bring it to pass.”

    Matthew 7:7-8, “Ask and it shall be given you, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. 8 For everyone that asks receives, and he that seeks finds, and to him that knocks, it shall be opened.”

    Isaiah 11:6, “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the young lion together, and a little child shall lead them.”

    1 John 4:11-12, “And this is the record that God hath given to us eternal life and this life is in his SON. 12 He that has the SON has life, and he that has not the SON of God, hath not life.”

    Revelation 21: 4 “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain, for the former things are passed away.”

    Corinthians 2:9 “But as it is written, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has in store for those that love him.” In other words beyond our wildest dreams we can’t imagine what God has in store for those that love him. Jesus said in John 14:21,”He that has my commandments and keeps them, he it is that loves me, and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself unto him,” and Jesus gave the COMMANDMENT to be BAPTIZED in Mark 16:16, and be baptized IN HIS NAME in Matthew 28:19, AND be baptized with the Holy Ghost in John 3:5-7, which doing all three of those means to be BORN AGAIN. Thessalonians 4:16-18, (the Rapture),”For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first. 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”

    DaveS

  12. The following is some word for word scriptures about hell by Jesus himself and how not to go there: LOCATION OF HELL: Matthew 12:40,”For as Jonas was three days and nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and nights in THE HEART OF THE EARTH.” Scientists say the temperature in the lower parts of the earth is approximately 10,800 degrees. Paul said in Ephesians 4:9,”Now that he ascended, was it but that he also DESCENDED into the lower parts of the earth.” Hell is a place of fire – Jesus told a story in Luke 16:24,”……Father Abraham have mercy on me and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME.” Matthew 13:42,”And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE, there shall be WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.” Matthew 25:41,”Then shall he also say to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels.” Revelation 20:15,”And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.” Hell is a place of torment – Jesus said in Luke 16:23,”And in hell he lift up his (Lazarus) eyes, BEING IN TORMENT….” Revelation 14:11,”And the smoke of their TORMENT ascended up FOREVER AND EVER, and they have no rest day or night….” Mark 9:45-46,”And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off, it is better for you to go into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED. 46 Where their WORM DIES NOT, and the fire is not quenched.” Revelation 21:8,”But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, which is the second death.” Note that Brimstone is Sulfur and burns with a very strong odor of rotten eggs. The scriptures above prove when a person goes to hell they will constantly see hell, constantly smell hell, constantly feel the heat of hell, will constantly breath hell, will constantly hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth of others in hell, will constantly be aware of their own worms, they will have no rest day or night, there is no way out and it will continue for ever and ever, they can’t die because they are already dead. The following is how to not go there: Jesus said in Mark 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be SAVED, but he that believes not shall be DAMNED.” About that same time he also said in Matthew 28:19,”Go therefore and teach all nations, BAPTIZING THEM in the name (SINGULAR name) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.” Father is a title and not a name, Son is a title and not a name, Holy Ghost is a title and not a name – Holy is adjective and Ghost is a noun. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they said Jesus name which is FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7-8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. At no time did Jesus disciples ever use the words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost when they baptized anyone nor did they use any combination of those words in one sentence regarding any other topic. The topic of Salvation can be narrowed down to 2 groups of scriptures – Peter was asked by the people in Acts 2:37 what they needed to do to be SAVED. He responded in Acts 2:38-39,”Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the PROMISE is unto you, and to your children, and to those that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Jesus said in John 3:3-7,”Verily, verily I say unto you, except a man be BORN AGAIN, he can not see the kingdom of God. 5 Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God. 7 Marvel not that I said unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.” Being born of water is being baptized in water in Jesus name, being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. Every time after Pentecost when it is mentioned that people received the Holy Ghost, they spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave utterance, which is Acts 2:3-4 (Pentecost), Acts 8:14-17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48. Every time except one, which is Acts 2:3-4, they received it by THE LAYING ON OF HANDS, which is Acts 8:16-18, Acts 9:17, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:5-6. Paul said in 1st Corinthians 14:2,”For he that speaks in an unknown tongue, speaks not unto men, BUT UNTO GOD, for no man understands him, howbeit in the SPIRIT he speaks mysteries.” Paul said in 1st Corinthians 14:21-39,”In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people, yet for all that THEY WILL NOT HEAR ME, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore TONGUES are for a SIGN (or PROOF they received the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.) 39 Wherefore brethren covet to prophesy, and FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES.” The following scriptures prove that when a person receives the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit, the SPIRIT OF CHRIST initially dwells in them – Romans 8:11,”But if the Spirit of him that raised Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN your mortal bodies, by HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU.” Paul said in Galatians 3:27,”For as many of you as have been BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.” If you are convinced you need to get baptized in Jesus name and get baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit, do a search and type in “United Pentecostal Church International”, slightly scroll down to below the red box, type in your zip code and city, a screen will come on that will show Churches near you that will do that.
    DaveS

  13. Please explain Acts 10, wherein Peter preaches the Gospel to Cornelius and the Italian Band. All of them are gentiles and the Holy Ghost fell on all those which heard the word. They were indwelt by the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized. Even had they not been baptized after hearing the Gospel, the gift of the Holy Spirit had already been given to them and could not be undone. They were given to Jesus by the Father, and all that are given to Him, He will not lose, but raise them up at the Last Day.

    Given what transpires in Acts 10, it is logical to conclude that being Born Again does not require water baptism. It is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit at the hearing of the Word of God and believing on His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Being born of water and spirit means a natural and spiritual birth. One must first be born of the flesh, natural birth, and then be born of the spirit, spiritual birth at the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

    Even Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:17 states “For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.”

    Matt C.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Matt,

      Remember what was happening before hand and after the fact. Before hand Peter has a vision the Lord showed him all kind of animals and said to Peter rise, kill and eat. Peter says that was unclean and he couldn’t. The Lord said call nothing the Lord God has made unclean. But, later this is explained; Acts 10: 28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

      So as Peter and the other Jews he took with him, witnessed them receive the Holy Ghost, Peter realized that this salvation was for the Gentiles as well. And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. So there is still need for baptism in Jesus name.
      Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

      In Acts 11 Peter is being confronted by the Jewish believers in Jerusalem. Peter has to explain why he went to a Gentiles home and he explains the vision and what happened at Cornelius’ house.
      Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

      The Gospel is defined by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 as the Death, Burial and resurrection of Jesus.
      When a person dies to self this is repentance (Matthew 16:24), Baptism in Jesus name is burial (Romans 6:3), receiving the Holy Ghost is your resurrection power (Romans 8:11).

      Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost

      • Matt C.

        Good day Doug and Dave,

        I never stated that the gentile believers in Acts 10 were indwelt by the Holy Ghost prior to hearing the Gospel. They were indwelt after hearing the Gospel and before being baptized (Acts 10:44-47). They were saved and justified in God’s eyes upon believing on Christ Jesus after hearing the Gospel. Which took place prior to being baptized in water. Salvation and Justification are instantaneously applied to the believer’s account the moment God quickens the Spirit and supplies the faith. Just as circumcision was an outward sign of Abraham’s faith, so too is water baptism an outward sign of the believer’s new birth in Christ.

        While I believe water baptism is important, I do not believe it is necessary for Salvation. Nowhere in scripture does it state that if one is not baptized they are not saved. You can however be baptized and not be saved. Salvation comes only by belief through faith and is unconditionally given by God to His elect. Water baptism is an outward sign of the new birth, which is of God by the Spirit through hearing the Word of God and believing on His Son, Christ Jesus. People are spiritually dead and cannot ascertain the things of the Spirit without being quickened by God. The Mosaic Covenant was conditional, based on Israel obeying the law, which they could never do. The New Covenant is unconditional (Jeremiah 31:31-34), whereby God provides everything necessary for Salvation and Justification, leaving nothing dependent upon the believer, as man in and of himself could never obey God. God retains all the Glory and praise by being all sufficient. I could only offer filthy rags of myself, which could never amount to the righteousness that is in Christ Jesus. My hope is solely on the finished work of Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who lovingly gave His life for His people.

        Matt C.

        • Doug Norvell

          Hello Matt.

          What did Jesus mean when He said, Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
          Acts 2:38 say that baptism in Jesus name, is for the remission or removal of sins. This is when the blood of Jesus is applied to your sins. Jesus paid the price for our sins, we cash the check so to speak when we are baptized in Jesus name.
          Saul/Paul was told baptism washes away our sins.
          Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
          Peter says baptism saves us.
          1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

          If it was just for show, why would Paul and Silas wake people up in the jailers house and baptize them at midnight, couldn’t it have waited? Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

          Even baptism doth also save us.

    • Hello Matt C.- In addition to what Doug well stated – please consider the following. In Acts 10:44,”While Peter yet spoke these words, the Holy Ghost fell on them which heard the word.” If they already had the Holy Ghost it would not have fallen on them then. In Acts 10:48 Peter commanded them to be baptized – if baptism wasn’t required Peter would not have commanded them to do that. Jesus said in Matthew 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned.” Jesus revealed what damned means in Matthew 13:42,”And shall cast them into the furnace of fire, there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” Also Matthew 25:41,”Then shall he also say to them on the left hand, Depart me, you cursed, into EVER LASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels.” Also Mark 9:45-46,”And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off, it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than to having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched. 46 Where their WORM DIES NOT, and fire is not quenched.” Jesus told Peter in Matthew 16:19 that he was given the keys to the kingdom of heaven and what ever he bound on earth was bound in heaven, and whatever he loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven, which means what ever Peter said is NOT negotiable. Peter also said 1 Peter 3:21,”The like figure where unto EVEN BAPTISM DOES ALSO NOW SAVE US….” It does so because it remits sin, just as Peter said in Acts 2:38. Acts 19:1-7,”And it came to pass that while Apollos was at CORINTH (Paul later wrote 1st and 2nd Corinthians), Paul having passed through the upper coasts, came to Ephesus (Paul later wrote Ephesians), finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have you received the the Holy Ghost since you BELIEVED? 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were you BAPTIZED? And they said unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this they were BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord Jesus.” If baptism wasn’t necessary Paul would not have done it. Acts 18:8,”And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue hearing believed on the Lord, with all his house, and many of the CORINTHIANS hearing believed and were BAPTIZED.” Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by man but was taught by Jesus Christ himself which means that whatever Paul said was exactly what Jesus told him to do. Paul was baptized by Ananias in Jesus name in Acts 9:18, also referenced to in Acts 22:16, Paul baptized the Jailer in Acts 16:33, which was after he asked what he needed to do to be SAVED, Paul baptized Justus in Acts 18:7, Paul baptized Crispus and many CORINTHIANS in Jesus name in Acts 18:8. Paul also said in Galatians 1:8-9,”But though we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we preached unto you, let him be accursed. Paul was so adamant about that, that he repeated himself in verse 9 “As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to unto you than that you have received, let him be ACCURSED.” Paul revealed what accursed means in 1 Thessalonians 1:8-9,”In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 Who shall be punished with ever lasting destruction, from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.” Hosea 4:6,”My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, because they have rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shall be no Priest to me, seeing that thou has forgotten the law of God, I will also forget your children.”DaveS

  14. The following scriptures prove the name of the Father is Jesus, the name of the Son is Jesus, and the name of the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit’s name is Jesus. Back in Exodus 3:14 when God told Moses to lead his people out of Egypt, Moses asked God who shall he say sent him, God said I AM THAT I AM, tell them I AM sent you, several thousand years later Jesus said in John 8:58, “Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was I AM.” In Matthew 26:15 Judas Iscariot asked the chief Priests what will they give him if I will deliver him (Jesus) to you and they weighed out 30 pieces of silver, back in Zechariah 11:12 God said,”And I said unto them, If you think good, give ME my price and if not forebear. So they weighed for MY price 30 pieces of silver. John 19:34,”But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came out blood and water”, back in Zechariah 12:10, “……. and they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him….” Isaiah 53:5,”But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, the chastisement of our piece was upon him, and with his stripes we are healed”, and Mark 15:24,”And when they crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots for them, what every man should take.” Note that is the Father of the Old Testament referring to HIMSELF as he was hanging on the cross. John 19:29,”Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar, and they filled a sponge with vinegar and put it on a hysop and put it to his mouth”, back in Psalms 69:21,”They gave ME also gall for my meat, and they gave ME vinegar to drink.” Jesus said in John 5:39,”Search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life, and they are they which testify of ME.” Jesus is referring to the scriptures in the Old Testament which are referring to HIMSELF before he took on flesh and became a man. (John 1:1, 10, and 14) Jesus said in John 12:44-45,”He that believes on me, believes not on me, BUT ON HIM THAT SENT ME. 45 and he that sees ME, sees HIM that sent ME.” The God of Abraham and Jacob’s name always was Jesus but he didn’t reveal what his name was until Matthew 1:21,”And she shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name JESUS, for he shall save his people from their sins, also verse 23,”Behold a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is GOD WITH US.” Jesus said in Mark 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned.” About that same time he said in Matthew 28:19,”Go therefore and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.” Father is a title and not a name, Son is a title and not a name, Holy Ghost is a title and not a name. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they baptized them in Jesus name, meaning they said Jesus name, which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:47-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7-8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. They never said the words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost when they baptized anyone nor did they use those words in one sentence regarding any other topic.
    The following scriptures prove that just because a person is a believer does not make them saved, and just because a person is a believer does not mean they have the Holy Ghost, and just because a person is a believer does not mean they are Born Again. In Acts 19:1-6 Paul met 12 BELIEVERS and asked them if they had received the Holy Ghost since they believed, they said they had never so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost,
    he asked them how then were they baptized, they said unto John’s baptism, then Paul baptized them in Jesus name, and when Paul LAID HIS HANDS ON THEM, the Holy Ghost fell on them and they SPOKE WITH TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GAVE UTTERANCE and prophesied. Peter was asked by the people what they needed to do to be SAVED in Acts 2:37. He responded in Acts 2:38-39,”Repent and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the PROMISE is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Jesus said in John 3:3-7,”Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born again, he can not see the kingdom of God. 5 Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God. 7 Marvel not that I say unto you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.” Being born of water is being baptized in water in Jesus name, which is for the remission of sins, being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost. Every time it is mentioned that a person received the Holy Ghost they spoke in Tongues as the Spirit gave utterance, which is Acts 2:4 (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, and Acts 10:44-48. Paul said Romans 8:11,”But if the Spirit of him that raised Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies.” Galatians 3:27,”For as many of you as have been BAPTIZED into Christ, HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.” He also said in Corinthians 14:22 that Tongues are for a SIGN, or PROOF that someone has received the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. In other words when a person has been baptized with the Holy Ghost it is at that moment when the Spirit of Christ initially dwells in them, and nowhere in scripture does it say it happens any other way. If you are convinced you need to get baptized in water in Jesus name and get baptized with the Holy Ghost, do a search and type in “United Pentecostal Church International”,when on the website slightly scroll down to below the red box and type in your zip code and city, then a screen will show Churches nearest you that will do that.
    DaveS

    • Good day Dave,

      Please refer to Acts 10, when Peter was preaching the Gospel to Cornelius and the Italian band, which were all gentiles. While Peter was preaching Jesus Christ to them, “the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.” This occurred prior to being baptized by water in the name of the Lord. Being baptized by the Holy Spirit at hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ and believing on Him is necessary for Salvation.

      While this passage of scripture does not contradict water baptism or the laying on of hands in other scriptures, it does contradict the necessity of water baptism for Salvation. Being born of water is an actual physical birth from the womb and being born of the spirit is God’s work through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. God has providing everything necessary for salvation and it is His work, not ours, nor could it ever be ours being that we are spiritually dead. Could you raise yourself from a physical death? No. So what makes a person think they could raise themselves from a spiritual death? Pride and the want to exert some form of control over their own destiny. All hope is in Jesus Christ, to raise us up spiritually and physically. The Holy Spirit is the Comforter and sustains us while we sojourn in this world. Oh how I long for Jesus’ return, and to sing praises before the throne of God.

      In brotherly love,
      Matt

      • Good day to you Mat C. – please consider the following. You said,”Being baptized by the Gospel of Jesus Christ at hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ and believing on Him is necessary for Salvation.” They didn’t receive the Holy Ghost just because they were believers – they received it because God wanted to show Peter and the Jews with him that salvation was available to the Gentiles. Note that Peter then IMMEDIATELY commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. If they were saved by just by receiving the Holy Ghost – speaking in Tongues as the Spirit gave utterance, Peter would not have immediately commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. If baptism wasn’t necessary Peter would not have done that. In Acts 8:12,”But when they BELIEVED Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were BAPTIZED, both men and women.” 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God (BELIEVERS), they sent unto them Peter and John. 15 When they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost. 16 For as yet he was fallen on upon NONE of them, only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they LAID THEIR HANDS ON THEM, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18 And when Simon saw that through the laying on of hands of the apostles hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money.” Note it took the laying on of hands for them to receive the Holy Ghost – it didn’t happen just because they were believers. Acts 9:5-18 describes Paul meeting Jesus, who was in the air above him on the way to Damascus, Jesus struck him blind – definitely a BELIEVER at that point, he was led by the hand to Ananias. Ananias laid hands on him and he received the Holy Ghost, and he was BAPTIZED. Note he didn’t receive the Holy Ghost just because he was a believer. Acts 22:6-16 describes the same scenario – in verse 16, Ananias told him to arise and be BAPTIZED AND WASH AWAY HIS SINS, calling on the name of the Lord. In Acts 19:2 Paul asked the 12 BELIEVERS if they had received the Holy Ghost since they BELIEVED, they said they had not heard whether there be any Holy Ghost, Paul then baptized them in the name of the Lord Jesus, and laid hands on them to receive the Holy Ghost. Another example that they didn’t receive the Holy Ghost just because they were believers. You said,” Being born of water is an actual physical birth from the womb and being born of the spirit is God’s work through the baptism of the Holy Spirit.” Jesus said in John 3:5-7,”Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God.” Many say that Jesus is referring to the water that happens at birth – that isn’t logical because that happens to every one when they are born. All of the book of Acts is about repentance, water baptism in Jesus name, and being baptized with the Holy Ghost. The water that Jesus referred to is being baptized in water in Jesus name – which is for the remission of sins, being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost. Every time it is mentioned that people received the Holy Ghost, they spoke in Tongues as the Spirit gave utterance, which is Acts 2:4 (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48. Hopefully after reading the scriptures that Doug and I have given you, you are convinced you need to get baptized in Jesus name and get baptized with the Holy Ghost. You can do that by calling End Time and ask to talk to Dave Robbins or Doug Norvell – they will tell you of Church near you that will do that. If you get baptized in Jesus name by total immersion in water, and get baptized with the Holy Ghost, you will be making sure your name is written in the Lamb’s Book Of Life.
        DaveS

    • Hey Matt I am no genius at hermeneutics or exegesis but I’m sure it says somewhere that God’s spirit will not always dwell with man. That being said if you are buried with Christ by baptism you will pass the second death because you are dead already and buried with Christ. However if you only have the Holy Ghost according to scripture but have not took on christ’s death through repentance and baptism you will still be touched of the second death. So please don’t wait and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins. Be buried with Christ. So yes someone can be filled with the Holy Ghost without first being baptized. But God’s spirit will not always dwell with man. Also many points I cannot go into but the devil can put a person’s fire out as I’m sure you have seen before as we all have and in some cases experienced but he can’t do anything to those that have been sealed and already died and burried. This is why they still commanded them to be baptized after they recieved the Holy Ghost. You must be born of the WATER AND of the SPIRIT TO ENTER into the kingdom of God. I am not hating but it appears that your theology doesn’t flow with the rest of scripture my brother.

  15. It seems to me, you preach a form of legalism that is not scriptural. Salvation is by faith alone, which is a gift of God. At no time was any flesh justified or saved by obedience to the law, as is stated over and over in scripture, with the exception of Christ fulfilling the Law as only He could.

    The great Psalmist, David, after committing adultery and murder was still saved from his sin. It wasn’t obedience to the law that saved him, since he just violated it. It was his faith in God to deliver him that saved him. However God chastised him through the death of his child.

    2 Samuel 12
    1 And the Lord sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.

    2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:

    3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.

    4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man’s lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.

    5 And David’s anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the Lord liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:

    6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.

    7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

    8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

    9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

    10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

    11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

    12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

    13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

    14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

    Pslam 51 paints a beautiful picture of the mercy and grace of God against the ineptitude of man. David’s request of God to heal him and blot out his transgressions.

    Even Abraham’s faith was accounted as righteousness, not obedience to the law. It is faith in Jesus Christ that saves, it’s His blood that washes away the believers sins and delivers them from eternal damnation. All our works of righteousness are as filthy rags before God and we must put all our trust in Christ to satisfy the law and present us Holy and acceptable before God in Him. In His infinite love and mercy he bestows His righteousness to the believer’s account and justifies them before a Holy God. Works of righteousness are the fruit of the Spirit and not an individual. I have nothing to offer God and am a wretched sinner in desperate need of a savior. We are morally bankrupt and barren of all righteousness. Oh how the Spirit convicts my soul, yet lifts me up in the hope of Christ, oh wretched man that I am.

    Believers are baptized with the Holy Spirit the moment they hear the Gospel and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. It can never be undone, not even by God Himself, as that would make Him a liar and we know that He is not a liar. He has promised to save His people and He will, regardless of their stubbornness. I have full assurance of my salvation in Christ and may proclaim that boldly without reservation.

    • Good day Doug,

      The Gospel, in short, is the Good News of Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God, born of the virgin Mary, the promised King and Savior of the line of David. Jesus was born into this world to to make atonement for the sins of His people and to reconcile them to God. He lived a perfect, sinless life in accordance to the Law and was spotless before God. Just as God provided the Ram to Abraham as a sacrifice instead of his son Isaac, so to did God provide the spotless Lamb, Jesus Christ, as a sacrifice for His people. The remission of sin requires blood atonement, whereby Jesus shed His own blood for us. He finished the work of atonement and redemption for all time and His righteousness is attributed to the account of the believer, so that we may stand before God, holy and blameless. After His crucifixion, He raised Himself up on the 3rd day, just as the scripture declares, conquering death. There is no greater love than what Jesus did for us. Scripture declares that we were all enemies of God, that there is none righteous and we could never understand the things of God. Outside of believing on Jesus Christ, there is no hope for reconciliation with God and eternal life. There is nothing that I could ever add to the work of Jesus Christ that would save me or present me holy before God. What peace it is to know that God accepts you on the account of Jesus and the hope of serving Him for eternity! There is no greater joy than being at peace with God. Even though I stumble, He is always there to pick me up, and will never leave me. Even during great tribulation, when it feels like all hope is lost, He is there.

      While stationed in Kuwait in 2003, at the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, I stood outside our bunker and watched as missiles flew overhead. There was no fear in me, for I knew that God was with me and if was my time, then I would be going home and if not, then I still had work to do for Him. He is my rock, my shield, my sustainer, my deliverer. He is deserving of our praise and glory always, and I was deserving of death for being disobedient. How great are the riches of His mercy toward us, whereby we can call Him Father! Blessed be the Father and Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son.

      with brotherly love,
      Matt

      • Doug Norvell

        Matt,

        1 Corinthians 15:Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

        According to the Bible this is the Gospel that saves you. That Christ died, that he was buried and he rose again. So, defined by the Word of the Living God. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

        2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

        So Jesus is coming back with flaming fire to punish those who know not God and Obey not the Gospel of Jesus. So if the gospel is the death the burial and resurrection, like it says it is in (1 Cor.15:1-4)how do you obey that? Peter who was given the keys to the Kingdom said when asked “what must we do?” said, repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

        The Blood of Jesus is applied at Baptism. Jesus poured His Spirit out on the House of Cornelius before baptism in water, so that Peter and the other Jews would understand that salvation was also for the Gentiles. Baptism is part of Salvation. Jesus own words Mark 16: 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

        At Baptism your sins are imputed to Jesus, and His righteousness is imputed to you.

        I appreciate your service to our Nation, I have no doubt that the Lord watched over you. But if you read Acts 10 & 11 you will see that Cornelius prayed an Angel down, but it didn’t mean he was saved. He had to send for Peter, who explained the gospel of Jesus Christ Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
        40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;(see the death, burial and resurrection).
        41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
        42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
        43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. (How do you receive remission of sins?)

        Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

        Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
        46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
        47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
        48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

        Notice here just like in Mark 16, Jesus is talking. He opened their understanding, explains the Gospel (Death, Burial and Resurrection). And then gives them the great commission, that they (the disciples) should preach repentance and remission of sins in His Name (Jesus Name). Now, if you will go back to Acts 2:38, what did Peter do? Peter preached repentance and remission of sins in Jesus Name! Repent and be Baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins!

        When Saul had his conversion experience, he was told by the Lord, who said He was JESUS, to go to Damascus and he would be told what he must do.

        Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. (What is Baptism for?)

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Rose,

      The best place to start is Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
      Notice the scripture says the promise is to all that the Lord shall call, so it is for everyone. The Bible also says the Spirit gives us the utterance.
      Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Richard,

      1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

      This scripture is referring to the continual cleansing that takes place in a born again believer’s life. If we are walking in the light of the Lord, then His blood is constantly cleansing us from sin, so if we miss up, we repent and move on and do not have to dwell on it.

      The blood of Jesus is applied to a believers life, when we repent and are baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins. The blood remits or removes our sins, when we are baptized in Jesus name.

      Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

  16. delbert oneal

    If what you say is true, Jesus would not have to die, He told Nicodemus – he was of the earth, earthy, human, he was flesh, not spirit. To be bourn of the Spirit, Jesus had to die in the flesh. That is the example that he set for us to follow. The spirit is like the wind. You are telling people that they are born again when they are only begotten as of now.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Debert,
      We are sharing with people what Jesus said, Jesus said Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
      5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

      Jesus also said Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost

  17. Dennis Durgan

    Thank you so very much for your help and this message it was great. One more question I have been baptized two times do I need to be baptized again.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Dennis,
      (Acts 19:1-6) Paul came across 12 disciples of John, he asked them how they were baptized and then he re-baptized them in Jesus name.
      So, I ask you the same question, how were you baptized? In Jesus name or in the titles, Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

      Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    • DaveS

      Well said R.J. Another major topic of salvation that is often overlooked is forgiving. Jesus said in Mark 11:25,”And when you stand praying, forgive, if you have ought against any, that your father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.” Jesus also said in Matthew 6:15,”But if you forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” He also said in Matthew 18:21-22,”Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus said unto him, I say not unto you, Until seven times, but Until seventy times seven.” Paul said in Ephesians 4:32,”And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake has forgiven you.” He also said in Colossians 3:13,”Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any, even as Christ forgave you, so also do you.”
      DaveS

  18. Amy Rubenstein

    tongues is not a necessity to being saved why do you believe it is then if it was Ik of a lot of ppl in hell cuz all they did was have a godly sorrow for their sins and repent not get filled thats a blessing but what about ppl that dont

    • Doug Norvell

      Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.(This scripture says you have to have the Holy Ghost or you do not belong to Jesus Christ).
      10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
      11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.(This scripture tells us the Holy Ghost is our resurrection power).

      Scripture says it is part of salvation to have the Holy Ghost.
      John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Jesus said you have to be born again of the water and the Spirit).

      When Jesus left the disciples, He told them to wait until they received the Holy Ghost, so they knew they did not have it yet. How did they know when they received the Holy Ghost? Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.(They knew when they began to speak with other tongues).
      Peter told them that this evidence of what they seen and heard was the promise of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

      Then Peter said it was for everyone, as many as the Lord God shall call.
      Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

      It is the promise and gift from God. Acts 8, 10 and 19 shows us it is the evidence of the Holy Ghost.

  19. Some say Jesus said in John 3:16,”For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” – and Jesus didn’t say anything about baptism. But Jesus wasn’t finished speaking yet. Later after he rose from the dead and just before he ascended into heaven he said in Mark 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned.”
    Jesus gave an example of what damned means in Matthew 13:49-50,”So shall it be at the end of the world, the angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just. 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire, there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” He also said in Mark 9:43-44,”And if your hand offend thee, cut it off, it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having 2 hands to go into hell, into the fire that is never quenched. 44 Where their worm dies not and the fire is not quenched.”
    Some say getting baptized,”Is only an outward sign of an inner change and therefore is not needed to be saved.” Mark 16:16 above answers that. Also – Peter was asked by the people what they needed to do to be SAVED in Acts 2:37, he responded in Acts 2:38-39,”Repent and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the PROMISE is unto you, and to your children, and to all those that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” That means that promise is just as valid today as it was back then. Note Peter was talking about the INITIAL remission of sins and not the confession of sins later mentioned in 1 John 1:9, which is 18 chapters AFTER the book of Acts. Peter said in 1 Peter 3:21,”The like figure where unto even BAPTISM DOES ALSO NOW SAVE US…..”
    Some say the thief on the cross next to Jesus was saved after he told Jesus he believed in him and Jesus then told him he would be with him that day in paradise, and the thief was not baptized. Previous to that time Jesus had not given the COMMANDMENT to be baptized until after he later rose from the dead and just before he ascended into heaven, which is Mark 16:16 and Matthew 28:19 – therefore the thief, or anyone else at that time did not know about water baptism and therefore could not have done it. Jesus said in John 14:15,”If you love me KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.” In John 14:21 he said,”He that has my COMMANDMENTS and KEEPS THEM, it is he that loves me.”
    Some say there is little mention of water baptism after the book of Acts which means water baptism is not relevant after that. All the scriptures in the book of Acts is a record of what was done by Jesus disciples when the Churches were FIRST formed – there was no reason to later keep telling them about water baptism in Jesus name. 2 examples are Paul baptized Crispus and many CORINTHIANS in Jesus name in Acts 18:8 – Paul later wrote 1st and 2nd Corinthians. Paul baptized the 12 BELIEVERS in Jesus name at EPHESUS in Acts 19:1-7, Paul later wrote the book of Ephesians.
    Some say Romans 10:9 says if we confess our sins and shall believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead, we shall be saved. And Ephesians 2:8-9 says by grace we are saved through faith and it is a gift of God, and not by works. Note Paul wrote both Romans and Ephesians and it was Paul that was baptized by Ananias in Jesus name back in Acts 9:18, Paul baptized Lydia and all her household in Jesus name in Acts 16:15, Paul baptized the Jailer and all of his household in Jesus name in Acts 16:33, Paul baptized Justus in Acts 18:7. Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by any man but was taught by Jesus himself, which means whatever Paul said was exactly what Jesus told him to say. Paul said in Galatians 1:8-9,”But though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” Paul was so adamant about that, that he repeated himself in verse 9,”As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be ACCURSED.”
    Hosea 4:6,”My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me, seeing you have forgotten the law of God, I will also forget your children.”
    Malachi 3:6,”For I am the Lord, I change not…..”
    Hebrews 13:8,”Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”
    Those 2 scriptures mean there is no reason for a person to think or believe Jesus will make an exception and save a person that has not been baptized by immersion in water in Jesus Name and that has not been baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit, which is described in Acts 2:4, Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, and Acts 10:44-48. After Pentecost – every time the Holy Ghost was given and received, except Acts 10:44-48, it was by the LAYING ON OF HANDS.
    Acts 10:1-43 and Acts 11:1-18 describes why Peter did not lay hands on Cornelius and those with him in Acts 10:44-48, which is because Peter did not believe that salvation was available to the Gentiles. God baptized Cornelius and those with him with the Holy Ghost which showed Peter that salvation was available to the Gentiles.
    DaveS

  20. Richard Brown

    Brother Doug, You are right on with your response concerning John 3:1-8! How did the Apostles know believers had received the Holy Spirit baptism, they heard them speak with new tongues (John 3:8). Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born of water and spirit and that’s what Apostle Peter preached since he’d been given the Keys to the Kingdom! Apostle Peter went around opening doors for everyone (Jews, Samaritans, and Gentiles.) Praise our Heavenly Father for the truth!!!

  21. Matilde Brown Polo

    Hello, I love your tv program. I am a catholic but I do not pray to Mary or any saints. I was baptized when I was a baby , is this enough?
    I believe in Jesus. I believe he die and rise against. I repented of my sins and believe that Jesus is the son of God .
    My husband and I are trying to move to another church where only the Bible is teach.
    Any recommendations?

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Matilde,
      When you were a baby, did you understand repentance and remission of sins? No, because you were too young to understand. There is not one account in the Bible that speaks of a baby baptism. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
      Notice the scripture says to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. If you need a church, email me at dnorvell@endtime.com with a zip code and I’ll find you a church.

  22. ANDREA WILDER

    I really don’t understand what you are saying. I have been a christian for years! You are saying 1st. Accept what Jesus did, Repent, baptism then what?? Receive the Holy Spirit? When you accept christ the holy spirit comes in…NO? don’t understund.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Andrea,

      Have you ever read Acts 8? Philip went into Samaria, they believed in Jesus, they were baptized in the Name of Jesus (not titles, father ,son and Holy Ghost), yet they didn’t receive the Holy Ghost. If it is an automatic receiving and there is no evidence of the Holy Ghost, how did they know the people did not receive it?

      Look at the scripture, Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

      How did they know the people received the Holy Ghost after Peter and John came and laid hands on them? Other scripture tells us how Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
      47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
      48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

      Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
      2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
      3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

      Scripture tells us that they heard them speak with other tongues.

  23. I’m a member of a church and have tried to live right for many years but back slide a few years after being saved. I have asked God to forgive me. What should I do if anything ? Thank you

    • Doug Norvell

      Venna,
      If you are in a true bible believing Spirit filled, Spirit led church then get with your pastor and tell him what is going on in your life. If you have been biblically born again, ask for forgiveness, make up your mind to follow Jesus, ask for forgiveness and move on, not looking back. Scripture tells us that when we are baptized into Jesus Christ it is for the remission of sins. That means to remove your sins. Make sure that you have obeyed the gospel and that you have repented and been baptized in Jesus name and received the Holy Ghost. If you need a church that baptizes in Jesus Name, contact me and I will find one in your zip code. dnorvell@endtime.com

  24. ALISA WILSON

    Thank you for your quick response. And I appreciate your willingness to find me a church but I have called before and you do not have a church in my area. Portland Oregon need I say more. The way things are getting to be, I think with a fellow believer we will baptize each other.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Christina,

      Thank you for your question, scripture tells us that we are buried with Christ in baptism, it also says we are planted with Him. Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
      5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

      When a person is buried, they dig a hole deep enough to cover the body with dirt, and when we plant something, we also dig a whole and place the seed beneath the ground and cover it up. So baptism is to bury us cover us up and sprinkling just doesn’t do that.
      We also have examples of this in Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
      38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

      Notice they both went down into the water. The Name of Jesus is also important, because we are being buried with the one that died for our sins and it’s His blood that covers us. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
      Notice the scripture says that baptism in Jesus name is for the remission of sins, this is when the blood of Jesus is applied to our sin debt. other scripture tells us this also, Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
      Notice Saul/Paul was told to be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Jesus

  25. Donald Haaning

    That is not true.Eternal life is a FREE gift that God offers to those who believe ONLY on the finished work of the cross.Your adding of baptism and turning from sin are works that will send you to hell.Trust in what Christ did ALONE.

  26. Paul Mooney

    Irving, I have watched your shows viewed all your studies and have enjoyed many of your talks. I started following the Lord when I was 17 and now 63. I have no doubt I’m following Jesus, have the Holy Spirit and love everyone. But according to much of the explanation in many of the answers to questions posed, I would be lost…and of course, I know I’m not. Many of the answers are based from Pentecostal doctrine and not strictly the Word of God. I know that sounds really blunt, and you probably would not agree, but it’s easily proven with the Word of God and I would use the same verses you use and have used to prove your points. If you could step out of the Pentecostal (denominal teaching) you would understand much clearer. I could explain this in hundreds of pages but I’m not. It’s not difficult for a Christian to understand. I believe you are a Christian but misguided on some of the teachings…sorry don’t mean to be out of order, just getting to the point. First, no one is born again until have are resurrected in their glorified body. Everyone who repents and starts following Jesus teachings receives the Holy Spirit (it has nothing to do with speaking with unknown tongues). A person does not have to be baptized to be saved (nowhere does it say that they do). No one is saved until they die and are resurrected with their glorified body. Look up the meaning of saved. It means delivered, and people get delivered many times, but saved once, at the resurrection. Saying that one remains in their sins until they are baptized is complete nonsense. Baptism should be done (but it’s symbolic), just like the sacraments (symbolic). When we give ourselves to God, it’s a spiritual conversion. What matters is the heart/mind actions. When we are His, we serve Him willing and obey his commandments because we love Him. The only thing that gets us to heaven is our belief that He took our place for our punishment. There is nothing we can do to add to that in any way to improve it. When we believe that (and believing means doing) and doing means of a free will (because we are changed in heart/mind (sanctified, have a renewed mind) and we grow as we read, study pray. That’s our strength (the Word). When we sin, we know it because He chastises us. If we don’t forgive others, we are not His. If we do not love everyone, we are not His (not their ways of sin, them). There is so much we need to learn and the only way to do it is, get studying in the Word and listen to the Holy Spirit (who is that Word and it’s alive) and obey. It helps to know the Hebrew/Greek, since English did not exist when they were written. There are many other things we could get into, but these are very basic and yet so misunderstood. I’ve found out that when one removes the Pentecostal experience from a Christian, they seem to melt and become very sad. You can’t do that with a true Christian who know Jesus as their Lord, not just savior. It’s a walk of Faith, not temporary experiences. There is coming a time when people will need to be as Job and all the emotional experiences of Pentecostalism will not be of any use then. Please don’t mistake my talk of Pentecostalism the same as Pentecost in the New Testament. It’s two separate issues. I’m with the Bible, not church dogma. Look at it the same as prophecy. I currently follow 25 prophecy teachers. Am I to believe you are correct and all others are not? I’ve studied prophecy for 46 years and have watched it revised many times when they don’t work out, the way God told them. Bible prophecy is real, but who is God’s prophet? His prophets don’t make mistakes, if they speak for God. I wish they would just say, that’s what they understand, instead God told them. I have not seen one that has been totally correct yet, but I love keeping up on it. Well, it’s time to end this, I’m getting off subject. I just think you and your staff need to rethink some things, yet I suspect, you probably think, NO, I need to rethink some things. I only want what God will is, so I’m believing He will let me know if I’m off track, because I walk by faith and that’s what I’m relying on Him to do. Please don’t take anything personal, I just feel a need to share.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Mr. Mooney,

      You said that no where in the Bible does it say a person must be baptized to be saved. Well, that isn’t the case. Jesus actually said it. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
      You also said that people receive the Holy Ghost when they repent and start following Jesus. Well, once again the is scripture seems to say different than your belief.
      Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. (How did they know the people didn’t receive the Holy Ghost? How did Simon know that the laying on of hands helped these people receive the Holy Ghost?)

      You also said a persons sins are not taken away at Baptism. Well Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (What does this scripture say baptism is for?)

      1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (This scripture clearly says baptism saves us).

      Then you said we are saved at the Rapture. Now I would agree that we need to continue work out our own Salvation until Jesus returns with fear and trembling. But Scripture tells us the gospel of Jesus Christ saves us. 1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures ( Notice Paul says it is the Gospel of Death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ that saves us). Repent=Death, Baptism=Burial, Holy Ghost=Resurrection.

  27. Sirs, When you defined the saving Gospel you seem to leave Jesus out. Mark 1:14, 15 is where he begins and the Gospel of the grace of God is precisely the same as the Gospel of the Kingdom (Acts 20:24, 25. Yes, of course the death and resurrecton are vital parts of the Gospel too.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Anthony,
      We are in no way leaving out Jesus from the Gospel. The Bible very clearly defines the saving Gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (Notice this is Paul speaking)

      2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. (Paul clearly says the Gospel that saves you, is what he declared).

      3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;(It is the same Gospel he received).

      4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:( That Gospel is the Death, Burial and Resurrection of JESUS).

      This is the same Gospel that Peter and the rest of the Apostles taught. Peter taught Repent=Death, Baptism=Burial and resurrection=receiving the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38).

  28. Ernie H. James Jr.

    Is a person who repents of their sins to Jesus in Yr 2018 and dies in their death bed saved? They can’t be baptized. It is my understanding that when person prays to Jesus and asks for forgiveness of their sins (as I did in 1970 in Soul S. Korea on active duty is the USAF) they receive the Holy Spirit, their soul is sealed, their name is written in the Book of Life and then they are to be baptized if they, not to get saved to show they are saved in a public showing by being baptized..(put under the water and back up) to show they have already accepted Jesus as their savior. As mentioned I was saved in Korea and wasn’t baptized until my assignment in Germany, after I returned to the USA picked up my family and went to Germany. It is also my belief that once saved always saved. Please reply sorry for all the words

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Ernie,

      In John 3 Jesus is speaking to a Pharisees, named Nicodemus. He tells him that a man must be born again of the water(Baptism and the Spirit (Holy Ghost) to enter the Kingdom of God. John 3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
      4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

      Jesus also told us that he who believes and is baptized shall be saved Mark 16:He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      In Luke as Jesus is giving the final instructions to the Apostles He says this; Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.48 And ye are witnesses of these things.49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

      Notice Jesus says preach repentance and remission of sin in His Name (Jesus). Also remember he said that belief and baptism saves you and Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born again of the water and Spirit.

      Now at the very first church service, Peter who was full of the Holy Ghost, stands up and proclaims to the crowd in Jerusalem, the gospel of Jesus, that Jesus came and He died and He was resurrected. The people realized they had killed the Messiah and they cried out what shall we do?
      Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

      He says this is for everyone that the Lord our God shall call, that means from that day, until Jesus comes back we are to do this. An notice what does the scripture say baptism is for? It isn’t an outward sign of an inward change, it isn’t to let everyone know that you decided to live for Jesus. It is for the remission of sins, baptism in Jesus name is when His blood pays our sins. The Blood of Jesus is applied at baptism.

      When you receive the Holy Ghost, the bible tells us in Romans 8:11 that is our resurrection power. In order for us to be changed and our feet leave the ground, we need to be filled with the Holy Ghost.

      If you have more questions, please contact me at dnorvell@endtime.com

  29. Speaking in tongues is not evidence that someone has received the Holy Spirit, It is the sign for Non believers and there are a number of places where it is mentioned that some people whom have received the Holy Spirit, will not necessarily be speaking in tongues (another language)

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Sias,

      When Jesus ascended into Heaven in Acts 1, He told the disciples to wait in Jerusalem until the y received the Holy Ghost. What was the evidence that they received the Holy Ghost? How did they know? Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

      • Sias Fourie – In addition to what Doug well said, please consider the following: I never mean to offend anyone but every time it is mentioned that a person received the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave utterance, which is Acts 2:4, Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:5-6, and there is no scripture that says it happens any other way. The following scriptures prove that when a person gets baptized with the Holy Ghost it is at that moment the Spirit of Christ dwells in them. Just before Jesus ascended into heaven he said in Mark 16:17,”And these signs shall follow them that believe, In my name shall they cast out devils, THEY SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES…..” Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by man but was taught by Jesus himself which means that what Paul said was exactly what Jesus told him to say – Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:2,”For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, BUT UNTO GOD, for no man understands him, howbeit in the SPIRIT he speaks mysteries.” In other words when a person speaks in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance they are given a prayer language. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:21-39,”In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people, yet for all that THEY WILL NOT HEAR ME, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a SIGN (or PROOF they received the Holy Ghost) not to them that believe, but to them that believe not……”Verse 39 states,”Wherefore brethren, covet to prophesy, and FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES.” Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:4,”He that speaks in an unknown tongue, EDIFIES HIMSELF….” Paul said in Romans 8:11,”But if the Spirit of him that raised Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies, BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU.” That is referring to being raised up to meet Jesus in the air at the Rapture which is referred to in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, which Paul also wrote. If a person has not been baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit, which is how the Spirit of Christ INITIALLY comes to dwell in them, they will not have that Spirit to go up to meet Jesus in the air, and therefore not be saved. Paul said in Galatians 3:27,”For as many of you as have been BAPTIZED into Christ, HAVE PUT ON CHRIST”, which fits in with Romans 8:11. In other words the only way to put on Christ is to get baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit which means speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. Jesus said in John 3:5-7,”Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God 7 You MUST be born again.” Being born of water is being immersed in water in Jesus name, meaning Jesus name is said at baptism, which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7-8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16, which all of those is for the REMISSION OF SIN, meaning the initial remission of sin and not the confessing of sin addressed in 1 John 1:9, which is 18 Chapters AFTER the book of Acts. Being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. Just before Jesus ascended into heaven he said Mark 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved but he that believes not shall be damned”, which answers whether baptism needed or not. When Jesus disciples baptized in Jesus name they were doing exactly what Jesus told them to do in Matthew 28:19,”Go therefore and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.” Father is a title and not a name, Son is a title and not a name, Holy Ghost is a title and not a name. Malachi 3:6,”For I am the LORD, I change not…..” Hebrews 13:8,”Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” Those mean there is no reason for a person to think that Jesus will make an exception and save a person that has not been baptized in water in Jesus name and that has not been baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. Please scroll down and read my post about hell on Nov. 9, 2018, which all of those scriptures are the exact words of Jesus himself – they describe what happens to a person that does not get baptized in Jesus name and doesn’t get baptized with the Holy Ghost.

        DaveS

  30. Jean Ring

    I love what was said today on your show. I’m 60 yrs. I recieved Jesus as my lord and savior at 25 and got the water baptism then. In pass of my life i walked away from Christ but repented and ask the Lord back in my life. Do I still need to do the water baptism again???

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Jean,

      This is a question, I would ask you to pray and seek the Lord about. The bible say to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    • Doug Norvell

      Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

      Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
      16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      In the scriptures above, Jesus said repentance and baptism in His name are the gospel. Paul said the gospel that saves us is 1 Corinthians 15 : Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
      So the gospel that saves you is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
      Peter told us how to obey the death, burial and resurrection. Repentance=Death to self, baptism in Jesus=Burial(Romans 6:3-4), Holy Ghost= Resurrection (Romans 8:11)
      Peter, who was filled with the Holy Ghost said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
      For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.(Acts 2:38-39).

      Notice, this is for everyone who the Lord will call. Repentance and Baptism in Jesus name for the remission of sins and then you shall receive the Holy Ghost.

      Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
      This scripture is true, without faith you would not obey the gospel. If you look at chapter 1 of Ephesians you read who this letter is addressed to:
      Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.

      Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration(Baptism), and renewing of the Holy Ghost(receiving the Holy Ghost)

      • I want to add that if you are convinced you need to be baptized in Jesus Name and be baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit – please do a search and type in
        “United Pentecostal Church International”. When on the website at the bottom of the Home page, type in your City and Zip Code, then a screen will show Churches near you that will do that, and that includes places most anywhere in the world. Paul said in Corinthians 2:9,”But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath in store for those that love him.” And Jesus said in John 14:15,”If you love me, keep my commandments”, and He said in John 14:21,”He that has my commandments and keeps them, he it is that loves me and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself unto him”, and He said in Mark 16:16,”He that BELIEVES AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned.” And as is stated in the scriptures above, every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they said Jesus name at baptism.
        DaveS

  31. The following is some scriptures about hell by Jesus himself and how to not go there:
    In Luke 16:19-31 Jesus describes a rich man that lived lavishly and a poor beggar man named Lazarus. It came to pass that Lazarus died and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom. The rich man died, was buried, then went to hell. (23) And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in TORMENT, saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented IN THIS FLAME. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received good things, and likewise Lazarus received evil things, but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they which would pass from hence to you can not, neither can they pass to us, and would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray you therefore father, that you would send him to my father’s house. 28 For I have 5 brothers that he may testify unto them, lest also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay father Abraham, but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
    LOCATION OF HELL: Jesus said in Matthew 12:40,”For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH.” Paul said in Ephesians 4:9,”Now that he ascended, was it but that he also DESCENDED into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH.”
    HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE: Jesus said in Luke 16:24,”….Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue for I am TORMENTED IN THIS FLAME.” Jesus said in Matthew 13:42,”And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE, there shall be WAILING AND GNASHING OF TEETH.” Jesus said in Matthew 25:41,”Then shall he also say to them on the left hand, Depart from me, you cursed, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels.”
    Jesus said in Revelation 20:15,”And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.”
    HELL IS A PLACE OF TORMENT: Jesus said in Luke 16:23,”And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in TORMENT….” (24) …..for I am TORMENTED in this flame.” Jesus said in Revelation 14:11,”And the smoke of their TORMENT ascended up FOR EVER AND EVER, and they have no rest day or night….” Jesus said in Mark 9:45-46,”And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off, it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED. 46 Where their WORM DIES NOT, and the fire is not quenched.” Note that it doesn’t say “THE Worm”, it says “THEIR WORM” dies not. Jesus said in Revelation 21:8,”But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, which is the second death.” Note that brimstone is Sulfur and burns with a very strong odor of rotten eggs.
    The scriptures above prove when a person goes to hell they will constantly see hell, constantly smell hell, constantly feel the heat of hell, will constantly breath hell, will constantly hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth of others in hell, will constantly be aware of their own worms, they will have no rest day or night, there is no way out and it will continue for ever and ever, they can’t die because they are already dead.
    The following is how to not go there: Most of the large Church groups say that a person is saved when they become a believer in God and Jesus Christ and that the Holy Spirit indwells them immediately when they become a believer. Most of the TV Evangelists say that all a person needs to do to be saved is say the “Sinner’s Prayer” – but the following proves that is not true: Just before Jesus ascended into heaven he told his disciples in Matthew 28:19,”Go ye therefore and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.” Father is a title and not a name, Son is a title and not a name, Holy is an adjective, and Ghost is a noun. At no time did Jesus disciples ever baptize in water using any combination of the words Father, Son, or Holy Ghost, or ever use those words in one sentence regarding any other topic. Jesus said in Mark 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be SAVED, but he that believes not shall be DAMNED.” Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone they immersed them in water in Jesus name – meaning they said Jesus name at baptism, which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7-8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. Peter was asked by the people in Acts 2:37 what they needed to do to be SAVED, and he said in Acts 2:38-39,”Repent and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, and you shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the PROMISE is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Peter later said in 1 Peter 3:21,”The like

    figure where unto even BAPTISM DOES ALSO NOW SAVE US…..”
    Jesus said in Mark 16:17,”And these signs shall follow them that believe, In my name shall they cast out devils, THEY SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES…..” Acts 2:3-4 at
    Pentecost,”And there appeared unto them cloven TONGUES as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. (4) AND THEY WERE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST, and they began to SPEAK IN OTHER TONGUES AS THE SPIRIT GAVE UTTERANCE.” Every time after that when people receiving the Holy Ghost is mentioned it states they spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave utterance, which is Acts 2:3-4, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-6. Every time except one, which is Acts 10:44-48 and Peter immediately told Cornelius and those with him to be baptized in Jesus name. Every time when people received the Holy Ghost, except 2:3-4, it was received by the LAYING ON OF HANDS: Acts 8:17-19,”Then they LAID THEIR HANDS ON THEM, and they received the Holy Ghost. (18) And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles hands the HOLY GHOST WAS GIVEN, he offered them money. (19) Saying, Give me also this power, that on whosoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.” Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by any man but was taught directly by Jesus Christ himself, which means that whatever Paul said and did was exactly what Jesus told him to do. In Acts 9:17 Ananias laid hands on Paul so he could receive the Holy Ghost, later in Acts 19:6,”And when Paul laid his hands upon them (which was 12 BELIEVERS) the Holy Ghost came on them, and they SPOKE WITH TONGUES and prophesied.” Paul said in 1st Corinthians 14:2,”For he that speaks in an unknown tongue, speaks not unto men, BUT UNTO GOD, for no man understands him, howbeit in the SPIRIT he speaks mysteries.” Paul said in 1st Corinthians 14:21-39,”In the law it is written, With men of other TONGUES and other lips will I speak unto this people, yet for all that THEY WILL NOT HEAR ME, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore TONGUES are for a SIGN (or PROOF they received the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit). Verse 39,”Wherefore brethren covet to prophesy, and FORBID NOT TO SPEAK WITH TONGUES.” Paul said in 1st Corinthians 14:4,”He that speaks in an unknown TONGUE EDIFIES HIMSELF….”
    The following scriptures prove that when a person receives the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit, the SPIRIT OF JESUS dwells in them at that moment, and that Spirit identifies them to be raised up at the Rapture, which is Thessalonians 4:16-18, which Paul also wrote. Paul said in Romans 8:11,”But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN your mortal bodies, by HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU.” Paul said in Galatians 3:27,”For as many of you as have been BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.” Paul said in Galatians 1:8-9,”But though we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.” Paul was so adamant about that, that he repeated himself in verse 9,”As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be ACCURSED.”
    All the scriptures above prove if a person has not been baptized in Jesus name and has not been baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit and spoke in Tongues as the Spirit gives utterance – that person does not have the Holy Ghost, and
    therefore is not going anywhere at the Rapture, and therefore not be saved. All the above is exactly what Jesus meant when he

    said in John 3:7,”You MUST be born again.” He said in John 3:5,”Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water
    AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God.” Being born of water is being baptized in water in Jesus name, being born of the Spirit is receiving the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. Note that Jesus said a person must be BOTH baptized in Jesus name, AND be baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit, which means speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance. Since Jesus disciples laid hands on people to receive the Holy Ghost, a person must SEEK it by going to a Church, or to a group of people that baptizes in water in Jesus name, and lays hands on them to receive the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. To do that is a very SIMPLE and EASY thing to do and you will be making sure you are putting your name in the Lamb’s Book Of Life. Any Catholic Church will not do it because they condemn baptism in Jesus name and declared it to be INVALID in the New Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 66, the Catholic Encyclopedia, also in the Catholic Catechism 232, 233, 1226-1228, also in Chapter 7 of the 16 Chapter Catholic Didache – there is no such thing as Catholic Purgatory, Paul said in Hebrews 9:27,”And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” Any Protestant Church says baptism was not done in Jesus name, or that water baptism is not needed to be saved, and that a person receives the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit the moment they become a believer – which all of the above proves is false.
    Numbers 23:19,”God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent, has he said and shall he not do it? And shall he not make it good?”
    Malachi 3:6,”For I am the Lord, I change not…”
    Hebrews 13:8,”Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” That means there is no reason to think or believe
    that Jesus will make an exception and save someone that has not been baptized in water in Jesus name, and has not been baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.
    Jesus said John 10:27,”My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
    DaveS

  32. The correct translation of John 3: 3-7 is NOT ‘ born again ‘ – tht is the demonic wrecking…. The correct words are ” UNLESS you are BORN FROM ABOVE [ by the FATHER – as it is HE who places HIS SPIRIT into those HE approves of – and then Gives them additional miracles of happening !]
    So – could you please correct your Bible [ KJ is a shocker – so-o full of terrible errors ] —???
    and tell this TRUTH to your readers ??? . Our people of the 12 Tribes of Jacob, are so-o ignorant as to what is going on about them, and WHO are the perpetrators of such EVILS !!!! They dont even know WHO their enemy is !!!! now I’ll read what you have to say on this subject… bye now..

  33. Jesus said in John 14:15,”If you love me keep my commandments”, He also said in John 14:21,”He that has my commandments and keeps them, he it is that loves me, and he that loves me shall be beloved of my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself unto him.” Jesus said in Mark 16:16,”He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned”, which that answers if baptism is needed or not. At about that same time Jesus said in Matthew 28:19,,”Go therefore and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost.” Father is a title and not a name, Son is a title and not a name, Holy Ghost is a tittle and not a name. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water was in Jesus name, meaning they said Jesus name at baptism, which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 9:17-18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. At no time did Jesus disciples ever use the words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost when they baptized anyone, nor did they use those words in one sentence regarding any other topic. The only doctrine that Jesus disciples preached was repentance, water baptism in Jesus name, and being baptized with the Holy Ghost, which is exactly what Jesus meant in John 3:5-7,”Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water AND of the Spirit, he can not enter into the kingdom of God.” Verse 7 “You MUST be born again.” Being born of water is water baptism in Jesus name, being born of the Spirit is being baptized with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit, which is addressed in Acts 2:4, Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, and Acts 10:44-48.
    If you are convinced you need to be baptized in Jesus name and be baptized with the Holy Ghost, please do a search and type in “United Pentecostal Church International”, then type in your city and state. Then a map of your area will be on your screen that shows the Churches in your area that will do that.
    Catholic Churches will not do it because they condemn water baptism in Jesus name, declared it invalid, and they used the word “INVALID” in the New Catholic Encyclopedia Volume 2 page 66, and also in the Catholic Catechism 232, 233, and 1226-1284, and also Chapter 7 of the 16 Chapter Didache. Protestant Churches won’t do because they say water baptism is not needed and it wasn’t done in Jesus name, but the scriptures above prove it was done in Jesus name.
    DaveS

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Virginia,

      Many people believe that all they need is to believe. Belief is important, but not the only thing we need. Jesus Himself said many people would come to Him and say Lord, Lord. But in the end He said He knew them not. Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
      24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock.

      We are told what we need to do in the book of Acts 2:38 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

      Notice, this wasn’t one time for just the Jews standing there on the day of Pentecost, the scripture says it is for all whom the Lord God shall call. This means from the day Peter said it until the day Jesus returns. So Repentance and water baptism in Jesus Name (not the Titles Father, Son and Holy Ghost) and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. This message is echoed throughout the book of Acts. Chapters 8,10,11,19 just to name a few.

      In the book of Romans Paul tells us that Baptism is being Buried with Jesus into His death. It also say to be planted together with him. Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

      Planted and buried is to be put under and covered up. This is what our baptism should resemble. In Acts 8 Peter and the eunuch both went down into the water and both came up out of the water.

  34. Erik Emerson

    Hello!

    Love your program and have read “What do you mean, Born Again?” on your website. I have a question for you regarding baptism. You subscribe to the opinion that immersion is the only proper mode of baptism as does John MacArthur. Personally I find that position to be more persuasive myself but here’s my situation and question. I was born and raised into the Roman Catholic faith and as such, I was baptized as an infant. About 20 years ago I left the Catholic Church and became what you might call a non-denominational Christian. I have been attending a church now for about 12 years or so that has ties to the Presbyterian denomination (PCA). There was a sign-up recently for classes that would conclude with a Sunday service baptism of the people in the class. Since it is Presbyterian, naturally the mode will be sprinkling. I voiced my concern to the pastor about this in an email and included a link to a sermon that John MacArthur gave on this subject This was my pastor’s response:

    Thank you for being a part of DCC. I look forward to our lunch and discussion this coming Sunday. I hope the discussion will not be a disappointment to you. In the class we will have people all over the map spiritually speaking. Some will need clarification of the gospel, others not so much. I will be briefly discussing mode of baptism, however, I will not be spending a lot of time on it. I appreciate and respect Dr. MacArthur, however I find that I sometimes disagree with him regarding things like baptism and his views of the charismatic gifts. He is a reformed baptist theologically. His arguments surrounding mode and meaning of baptism are the typical arguments every Baptist has made since the late 1600’s. The problem with their view I believe, is that they deny the efficacy of any mode of baptism except immersion and they mistakenly translate the greek word for baptism (baptizo) as always meaning immerse. This translation is mistaken, and ignores many etymological facts. For example, in the 3rd century BC the word baptizo was used to translate the Old Testament from Hebrew/Aramaic to Greek and in that translation baptizo is used to translate the ideas of pouring, immersing, dipping and sprinkling. The claim that baptists have always made regarding the meaning of the word baptizo is just etymologically false. What is more the claim that the early church only practiced immersion is just not true. We know from archeological evidence that churches as early as the late 200’s practiced pouring, immersion and sprinkling as modes of baptism. This being the case, we accept immersion, pouring and sprinkling as acceptable, valid modes of baptism. Baptists accept only immersion. We simply disagree with our Baptist brothers and sisters.

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    A few years ago I attempted to find a church that did immersion baptisms and asked if it was possible to be baptized there without actually becoming a member of their church. (I really don’t have any reason to leave my present church since it otherwise is a very good church with sound doctrine). I never received a reply to my inquiry. I’m still debating what I should do but in the meantime, here is my question:

    If I (or anybody for that matter) should die having only been baptized as an infant, does that mean that I have never been ‘born again’ which then means that I’m not a true Christian which then means that I die in my sins and am outside God’s kingdom forever?

    Thanks for your help.

    Erik

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Erik,

      We should not look at the what was done as early as 200 AD. We need to look at the book of Acts. The book of Acts is the history of the church, the true church and not man made traditions that Paul warned us about in Colossians 2. The Acts of the Apostles are given to us to understand what we should do.
      Acts 2 they are were filled with the Holy Ghost and Peter full of the Holy Ghost gave the command. Acts 2:38 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

      Notice Peter said to be baptized in the name of JESUS for the remission/removal of your sins and then you shall receive the Holy Ghost. Just like the Apostles did. But then it goes on to say this is for ALL, as many as the Lord God shall call. So this is the plan from that day until the day Jesus comes back.

      So this is the gospel that the Apostles taught to every person and it is the gospel today, it hasn’t changed. So having said that look at Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

      Philip and the Eunuch were reading from Isaiah 53, Philip taught the gospel of Jesus from this scripture. The is no mention of Baptism in Isaiah 53, yet the Eunuch knew from what Philip taught, that he needed to be born of the water and the Spirit. So, notice they both went down into the water and they both came up out of the water. They could have just got a hand full and sprinkled it on his head, if that was all that was required. They didn’t do that, they went down into the water.

      Paul said in Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
      4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

      Notice the wording, buried and planted. When have you ever seen a person buried by sprinkling a little dirt on them or have you ever planted a plant and just sprinkled a little dirt on top of it. No, you put it under the ground. When you go under the water in the name of Jesus(not titles, father, son and holy ghost) but under the name that is above all names, the name that the Bible says “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Then and only then is the blood of Jesus applied to our sins and we receive a paid in full promise made on Calvary.

      This is what we must do to be saved. So heed Paul’s warning; Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

      • Beverly Breaux

        Thief on Cross was not baptized. Not church membership, not baptism, not works, not intellectual “belief” (devils have that) — but Relationship with God, Jesus, Holy Spirit. Just invite Jesus into your heart, surrender your life to Him = born again, saved, new creation, instant change of final destination from hell to heaven — guaranteed! Glory to God! Amen.

        • Doug Norvell

          Hello Beverly,

          Yes you are correct the thief on the cross was not baptized. At this point Jesus was alive and had not died and been resurrected and the Holy Spirit had not been given yet, so the dispensation of the Law was still in effect. The salvation that Peter and the apostle’s taught was the “Born Again” plan of salvation. They had to wait until they received the Holy Ghost to begin there ministry. On that day Peter filled with the Holy Ghost said this: Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

          You see that baptism is for the remission of your sins, the blood of Jesus is applied at baptism and your sins are removed. Without it, your sins remain. This is why baptism in the Name of Jesus is for the remission, His blood paid our sin price. When we are buried with Jesus in baptism, we are buried into His death and raised to new life. The Bible also says this is for “ALL” that the Lord God shall call. This is the plan of salvation that God had from the beginning of the creation and it is the plan until Jesus comes back.

          • martha malepe

            Amen Dough Novell,no one can teach a word of God without the Spirit of God,people teach their own gospel,God is faithful i like the way you explained the thieve on the cross, people want the Kingdom of God the eazy way, their way, they dont want to deny themselves,and no one can mock God, because they only deceiving themselves,God bless you and more wisdom to you,you opened my eyes

          • Chrystal Butler

            I am still not clear on the Thief on the cross. I understand that salvation had not yet been given because Jesus had not completed his divine mission, so what is the justification on the thief not being baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost. I just want a clear understanding.

          • Doug Norvell

            Hello Chrystal,

            Under the Law a person had to go to the high priest and have a blood sacrifice offered for his sin. This had to be done year after year. But the Thief recognizing who Jesus was ask Him to forgive his sins. Jesus the sacrificial lamb of God was shedding His perfect blood, one time for all time. Jesus also being our High Priest making atonement for our sins, told the forgave the thief on the cross. Once Jesus died and was resurrected and was glorified, the plan of Salvation was put in place. And now this plan is what we must do to be saved. The blood of Jesus is applied to our lives and removes our sins at baptism in Jesus name.

            Hebrews 9 explains this better than I can.

          • Doug Norvell

            Although, we have no exact scripture of the Apostle’s being baptized, the question would be why would they not have been baptized? We do know from scripture, Jesus was baptized and Paul was also baptized. In Acts 19, Paul even re-baptized 12 men that had only received John the Baptist baptism, he told them they needed to be re-baptized into Jesus name. When the apostle’s were told to wait in Jerusalem until they were filled with the Holy Ghost, Peter being filled with the Holy Ghost gave the command that everyone should repent, and be baptized in Jesus name “for the remission of sins.” and receive the Holy Ghost.

            In conclusion this was the command from that moment until Jesus returns. Acts 2:39 says the promise is unto you, your children and all who are far off, as many as the Lord God shall call. It is the GOSPEL according to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, that Christ died, was buried and rose again. This is the gospel that saves us, death=repentance, burial=baptism and rising again=receiving the Holy Ghost!