Revelation – 10/6/2024

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Dave Robbins: Country music
star, John Rich, recently wrote
a God-inspired song.
John Rich: This is the most
important song
I’ve ever written.
It’s called “Revelation.”
I hope it brings courage to the
saved, conviction to the lost,
and total fear to
the truly wicked.
The Bible read without
commentary is the most powerful
thing you can ever possibly say.
Dave: Do you believe we’re
living in the end-time?
John: If we’re not in it,
we’re walking right up to it.
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Dave: I talked to you about,
you know, proof we’re living
in the end-time.
I–of course, we’re with Endtime
Ministries, and I believe
we’re living in the end-time.
I think you know that.
Like you said, we’re knocking
on the door of it
if we’re not there already.
But back in Daniel, you know,
he talked about four beasts
that would be symbolize nations
or kingdoms that will be on the
earth when the Ancient of Days
would be come back to establish
the kingdom here on the earth,
Jesus.
And of course, those–he saw a
lion with eagle’s wings, a bear,
a four-headed leopard,
a ten-horned beast.
And the–the modern-day nation
of the lion, of course,
that–the most prominent nation
would be Great Britain.
And then, he saw a bear, Russia.
He saw the four-headed leopard,
which is Germany, a ten-horned
beast, the current
European Union.
But then he said, “The lion with
eagle’s wings,” he said, “I saw
the eagle’s wings were plucked
out of the lion and may stand up
on a feet as a man, and
a man’s heart was given to it.”
What modern-day nation
with the symbol of an eagle
came out of Great Britain?
The United–the United States
of America.
That’s exactly it.
Daniel saw the declaration of
Independence 2,300 years before
it ever happened, and he said,
“These nations would be on
the earth when Jesus Christ
would come back to establish
his kingdom here on the earth.”
Then in–when you talked about a
world government and 650 years
later, when John is out on the
Isle of Patmos in Revelation 13,
he uses those same animal
symbols, and he says, “I saw
a world-governing beast,” a
federalization of these nations
that had the body of the
leopard, the feet of the bear,
the mouth of the lion, the ten
horns of the ten horn kingdom.
And he said, “All the world
would wonder after this beast.”
You talked about the battle,
the spiritual warfare
that’s going on.
The Bible says the dragon, or
Satan, gives this end-time
world-governing beast its seat
power and its great authority.
The principal driver, John,
behind the world government
today is Satan himself.
It’s his efforts to establish
his physical kingdom here
on the earth.
So, Joe Biden’s not my problem.
The government’s not my problem.
It’s the spiritual battle.
That’s why I thought your song
was so effective, because you
didn’t just–it wasn’t some kind
of a surface knowledge
type thing.
You actually dove straight off
into the deep end of the pool
and said, “Hey, this is all
about a spiritual warfare.”
Bible says we don’t war
against flesh and blood,
but it’s the spiritual warfare
that’s happening.
So, I thought your song was
fabulous, because I–there’s
many ways we could prove that
we’re living in the end-time.
world government, world
religion, the mark of the beast.
You talked about central bank
digital currencies.
John, that’s the number one
thing I’m seeing on the earth
that could be a precursor to the
coming mark of the beast system,
a global economic sanctioning
system in the end-time, and
the Bible says everybody’s
gonna be given a mark
without which they’re gonna be
able to buy or sell.
They can control everything
you do by these central bank
digital currencies.
And so, certainly, I believe
we’re living in the end-time,
and, you know, but I don’t want
to take up the whole program
with that.
So, you mentioned that if you
were part of a record label
that they would never have heard
this song.
It would never have been
produced if you were still
in that world, but since
you’ve come out of that world,
now you’re free to do
whatever you want.
Why do you think that they would
want to bury this type of song
but let Eminem do “Antichrist”
and all this other Lucifer
and all that other stuff.
What’s going on here?
John: Well, not everybody in the
music industry is into that
stuff, like what you’re talking
about Eminem, but the people
that control it up at the high
level, so you’re talking
about Sony, Universal,
Warner Brothers, you know,
these massive companies.
I think the reason that
they–these artists create those
things and the record labels
promote those things is because
they create and promote what
they are possessed by, as simple
as that.
That’s what’s in ’em, so
that’s what’s coming out.
It’s like your mama used to
tell you, “Hey, you are what
you eat.”
Okay, well, yeah, no kidding.
So, they are possessed by that.
They want to glorify what they
consider to be powerful,
what they consider to be the
reason they are where they are,
and they want to put that out
to the whole world.
I mean, they’re a lot more proud
of what they believe and
who they’re leaning on than the
vast majorities of Christians.
You know, Christians are walking
around, running scared all over
the place.
Like, you were just talking
preachers won’t even go into
these subjects because
they’re afraid to.
What are they afraid of?
That people–that the
congregation might not be as big
the following week ’cause that
message was just too–it was
just too cutting, just too
convicting, too true.
And what happens when not enough
people show back up?
Oh, there’s not enough–not as
much money coming into
that church.
I mean, why else would they just
avoid these subjects?
It’s like I asked you.
Well, can these guys read?
I mean, you’re going–they don’t
know anything about it.
I’m like, “Well, can they read?
I mean, do they have a Bible
there or preacher?
Can they read?”
Because that’s what it says,
and that is–that ultimately is
what’s gonna bring the wrath
down on this country,
that is going to.
That when he says, “If my people
who are called by my name will
humble themselves and turn from
their evil ways, I will come and
heal their land,” well, man, if
you’re a Christian and you stand
by, and he told you to do
something, and you refuse to do
it over and over and over again,
America is not immune
to the wrath of God.
If anything, we’re the most
deserving of it because we were
founded on biblical principles.
We’ve–we’ve had more freedom
than any other nation has ever
had, more prosperity than any
other nation has ever had,
and what have we done with it?
Now, you look at the culture of
America and then the Christians
that are sprinkled in throughout
this country that are unwilling
to stand up, and call it what it
is, and take the heat, take
the fire, take the pushback.
They’re unwilling to do it.
And so, because they’re
unwilling to do it, it just runs
rampant and gets bigger and
bigger and bigger, and at some
point, he is not gonna put up
with that.
You know, there’s another nation
in there–in Revelation talks
about the nation that survived a
mortal wound.
That’s an interesting–I
wonder–like, you wonder
what nation that is.
You know, like a nation that–a
nation that got knocked all the
way down but was able to survive
it and come back.
I wonder if that’s not America
at some point.
I mean, the way things are going
in this country, who knows?
But we can’t figure it all out,
but we know it’s coming, and
we know who we are, and we know
what he said we’re supposed
to do, and if we don’t do what
he said we’re supposed to do,
it’s just gonna get worse
and worse.
Dave: Well, so, just because my
audience is gonna say, “Give him
the answer, Dave,” I’m going to.
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Dave: So let’s talk about
the four horsemen.
What do these horses symbolize?
These are the four spirits of
the heavens, which go forth from
standing before the Lord
of all the earth.
In the end-time, the true people
of God will not be weak, anemic,
and defeated.
These prophesied events are
revealing we are quickly
approaching the time of the
Great Tribulation right now.
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Dave: So I know that
the four-headed leopard
in Daniel 7 is Germany.
I can prove that.
We’ve got books written
and things like that.
So when you jump over to
Revelation 13, there’s a–
a seven-headed ten-horned beast.
Well, four of those heads
are the leopard,
the nation of Germany.
The Bible says one of those
heads, or nations, would be
wounded nigh and to death.
The Berlin Wall, which was built
in 1961, was the–all the
magazines were calling it “the
palpable wound that must someday
be healed.”
Germany was wounded nigh
unto death, but the Bible says
that that deadly wound would be
healed and as a result of that,
all the world would wonder
after the beast.
So, my father-in-law,
Irvin Baxter wrote a book
in 1986 that said the Berlin
Wall is coming down.
We were living through
the Cold War at that point.
He said the Berlin Wall is gonna
be torn down, the two Germanys
would reunite, and that would be
the catalyst that would launch
us into the New World Order.
And he wrote the book in ’86,
and all of his preacher buddies
were like, “Irvin, don’t put
that in a book.
You’re gonna ruin
your credibility.
Nobody will ever have you preach
or anything ever again.”
He said, “Look, it’s in the
prophecies of the Bible.
I’m gonna do it.”
In 1989, three years later, when
the Berlin Wall came down, the
two Germanys reunited, and 19
days later, Pope John Paul II,
Gorbachev, and George H.W. Bush
came out of their meetings
talking about the
“new world order.”
That’s what put our ministry
on the map and said,
“Oh my goodness, Irvin Baxter,
how did you know that?”
And he said, “It’s in the
prophecies of the Bible.”
And of course, that’s what
launched our ministry back
in 1986, because the prophecies
of the Bible never fail.
And so, it’s cool that you
brought that up because the–
and of course the United States
that’s jumped back to
Revelation 12, which is what you
ended your video with there.
But it–the prophecy is coming
to pass in intricate detail as
we speak right now.
You mentioned–yeah.
John: Well, I was gonna say
Revelation 12, which you’re
right, that’s what rolls at the
end of the video, and when
you guys get through watching
this conversation we’re having,
go look that video up.
Just punch in my name
and Revelation.
You’ll find it.
But that Scripture there in
Revelation 12 that rolls at
the end of the video, when it
says–talking about–talking
about Lucifer and his–his
armies, that they are overcome
by the brethren.
They’re overcome by–
by the brethren.
They’re overc–not by the
angels, they’re overcome by the
brethren because they–because
of their testimony and because
they love not their lives unto
death, meaning they were not
afraid to die for what
they knew to be true.
But that means that Christians
are still here at that point.
The brethren are out there
bringing it.
You know, they’re taking them
on, and they overcome them.
They win.
They beat ’em.
And so again, back to what we
said earlier, all you gotta do
is go read this.
It’s not–commentary-driven
Bible preachers or teachers
is not helping anybody.
And I would just say to
everybody out there, you do not
need a preacher to go understand
what the truth is.
Pick it up and read it
for yourself.
Call your brother.
Call your next-door neighbor.
Sit down with your mom or dad,
whoever, and just start
reading it.
There’s a young lady I ran
across on TikTok.
She go–and I don’t have TikTok,
but somebody sent it to me.
I think she’s under
“sweettaythesoul,”
I believe is what it is.
And this young lady sat down
after my Tucker Carlson
interview, had her Bible out,
and starts going through
Matthew 24, and then she goes
through 2 Thessalonians 2,
and she’s going,
“That’s what it says.
It says it right here,”
you know?
And–and I think her video got
150,000 views or something
like that.
The point is people want to
learn about what the real
truth is.
We’re being lied to every second
of every day, and people
who aren’t even Christians and
never cracked the Bible open
are desperate for the truth.
They wanna know what is the
actual truth of the situation.
Russell Brand is another
great example.
I interviewed with him
yesterday, the British guy.
And he recently–he got baptized
three months ago, and I–
I believe he’s the real deal
because every–
every question I answered him–
I asked him,
he answered it with the–
with the truth.
I went, “Well, son of a gun,
man.”
I mean, there are people
starting to turn.
We talk about the great revival.
I think pain and fear are
the greatest alarm clocks
ever created, pain and fear.
It’s unfortunate that the human
condition forces us to have to
endure pain and fear to finally
wake up and want to know what
the truth is, but I think the
worse things get in our country,
the more you’re gonna see people
turning back.
Dave: Yeah, man, I–I’m gonna
have to get rolling ’cause
I’m–this–I knew this was gonna
happen because you–
I can do this.
John: We could go all night,
man.
Dave: I know.
I could–I could do this
for hours.
So, the–I know my audience
would love to hear us talk about
the Pre-Post-Trib Rapture,
so I want to dive off into that
with the 15 or 20 minutes
that we have left here.
So, the Post-Tribulation
Rapture, you–I’m almost
positive I heard you tell either
Tucker or Peterson
that you–originally, you
believed in a Pre-Trib Rapture?
Is that not the case?
And then you somehow got the
revelation of a Post-Trib?
Did I get that right?
John: I mean, originally, so my
dad at 19 through about probably
close to 30 years old was–
was preaching that.
Because the men he studied under
and the Bible he was reading,
the Scofield Bible, that’s what
it–that’s what it says.
I mean, the commentary in the
Scofield Bible is Pre-Trib.
That’s what it is.
And so, that’s just–he just
went, “Well, that’s what it is,”
you know?
And he just–that’s what it was.
But then he said, “Some of
this don’t ring right to me,”
after about ten years
of preaching it.
Some of this–some of this does
not add up to me because I’m
reading other things that–like
Matthew 4, and it specifically
says this long list of very
rough things that are gonna
happen prior to him coming back,
and that was Jesus himself
laying out this timeline
of these events.
He goes, “That just doesn’t add
up,” and so, he stopped
preaching that.
He stopped preaching Pre-Trib
because he said it does not
say that.
It doesn’t say it in Matthew 24
or 2 Thessalonians 2.
It does not say it.
A matter of fact, it says quite
the opposite.
So I asked my dad, “Well, why do
you think people were preaching
that and they still preach it?”
He goes, “Well, it’s a–it’s a
much more palatable way to–
to talk about it.”
My dad asked me
a great question.
He goes, “Let me ask you
this question.
You think Noah’s flood
was rough?
You think that was
a rough situation?”
I said, “Yeah, I’m pretty sure
that’s pretty rough,
probably the roughest thing ever
happened to this point.”
He said, “Did God rapture Noah
out of the flood?”
I said, “No.”
He goes, “What did he do?”
I said, “He told Noah to build a
boat, and then he got ridiculed
and mocked for 100 plus years,”
I forget the amount of years,
but a long time and
no rain’s coming down.
But he did what he was told to
do, and then when the rain did
come down, he was–Noah was
still in the flood, but he had
a boat, just like Daniel was
still in the lion’s den, but God
closed the jaws of the lions,
just like Jonah was in the belly
of the whale.
You think that was fun?
But he got–but the whale spit
him back out, gave him another
shot, and said, Go preach to
Nineveh, knucklehead, or I’ll
have–I’ll have–something worse
will happen to you next time,”
so he finally did it.
So, this is on and on and on
throughout the Bible,
that God’s people are not spared
hard times.
We have to roll through it just
like everybody else except
we’ve got him on our side so
he tells us how to survive it,
“If you’ll do what I tell you,
you’ll survive it.”
That’s always been his MO.
So, either this verse
is true or not.
“I am the same yesterday, today,
and forever.
My Word does not change.”
Either that is a true statement,
or it’s true up until the point
where it comes to the end-times
and you’re talking about
American Christians, and then
it’s not true anymore.
Because he’s always had his
people go through tough times,
and sometimes they get killed.
Sometimes a lot of ’em get
killed, and they go through
horrible situations, but that’s
part of the deal.
And so, when it’s all over with
it, if you’re killed or you live
through it and you die an old
man or an old lady,
and your spirit gets cut loose
from this body, boom!
There you go.
You’re headed straight up there,
and then it’s
an eternal situation.
So, I don’t–I–it really
bothers me that people will try
to seduce Christians into
thinking that they’re not gonna
have to deal with
any of this stuff.
You’re not gonna have
to deal with it.
You’re–we’re gonna all be
out of here before
any of the bad stuff happens.
I’m like, “Have you not read
Matthew 24?”
I mean, that’s the red words.
That’s Jesus Christ’s own words
laying it out.
And I think they just–
they twist it and push it.
And it’s a–it’s an easier
message for people to hear,
keeps the pews full.
Everybody likes that message,
so they just go with that.
But that’s dangerous, which is
what I laid out in Tucker,
is that when these things
ultimately happen, and you’re an
actual real Christian, and
you’ve been brought to believe
that you will not experience any
of these things, well, when
those things start happening,
you’re not gonna identify that
that’s the mark of the beast,
or that is the son of perdition,
that’s the Antichrist, or
that’s this, or that’s that.
You’re not gonna think any of
those things are actually what
they are because you believe
a different version of it.
I just–I don’t think it’s a
salvation issue, but I do
believe it puts Christians in
harm’s way to think that way.
Dave: Are you sure you’ve never
heard of our ministry before?
Because you.
John: I have heard of you.
I have–I have heard of you.
And I know I’ve watched a couple
of things over time
when I’m–when I’m kind of–
Dave: Man, it’s almost like
you’re–we’ve been teaching
exactly that for decades now.
And I mean, you’re just almost,
like, walking right down
through it.
I know.
And–but it’s–it’s pretty
awesome to hear you say that
because I’ve asked–so,
I have–I’ve had friends of mine
say, “Dave, you know,
come over here.
Let’s go out to eat.
I wanna settle this Pre-,
Post-Trib thing.”
And I said, “Look, you can
convert me to Pre-Trib Rapture
in five minutes and I’ll go on
the radio or television and say
we made a mistake.
There’s actually a Pre-Trib
Rapture.”
And they’re like, “All right.”
Man, they’re licking
their chops.
And I’ll say–you know, I’ll ask
’em about God, or salvation, or
any topic in the Bible, and they
can just hit me with Scriptures
like that, John.
And then I’ll say, “Okay, now,
you want to convert me
to Pre-Trib, get–the Rapture is
when the Lord will come
in the clouds, send his angels
with the sound of a trumpet
to gather the elect unto him.”
They’re like, “Yes.”
And I say, “Give me one verse or
a passage in the Bible that says
the Rapture happens bef–or that
the–that event happens before
the Tribulation, just one
and I’ll change,
because I’m a truth seeker.
I’ll go on the radio and say,
‘You know what?
We made a mistake.
There’s actually
a Pre-Trib Rapture.’”
And I–of all the years
I’ve been doing this,
they’ve sat there and stared
at me, like,
“Well, that Scripture
is not in there.”
And they’ll go to Revelation
3:10 and a lot of different ones
but none of those say that
the Rapture happens before
the Tribulation.
Once they understand the
segmentation of the book of
Revelation and different things,
once I explain it to ’em,
the Scripture simply
isn’t in there.
However, there are a plethora
of Scriptures that say that
the Rapture happens immediately
after, like Matthew 24.
Jesus said, “Immediately after
the tribulation of those days.”
I told him if that first
sentence of verse 29
said “immediately before,”
we’d have an entirely
different conversation.
But there are so many there.
John: I mean, it appears to–it
appears–yeah, it says
“immediately after.”
It appears to me you’d be
raptured out of something
when it becomes unsurvivable.
It is unsurvivable.
And you know, you hear about
wrath being poured out,
and it says God will never pour
out his wrath on his people.
What about the devil
pouring out wrath?
Does it say the devil will
never pour out his wrath?
Dave: That’s
the Great Tribulation.
John: Doesn’t say that.
That’s Satan’s wrath
coming down.
That’s the earth’s wrath.
God’s wrath is unsurvivable.
God’s wrath incinerates
the entire place.
It’s over when he pours his out,
and he’s not gonna do that to
his kids, so he pulls you out
before he hits his button and
he does what he’s gonna do.
I mean–but again, these
things–you know, you don’t go
to heaven or hell based on
what you think about this.
The reason I brought it up to
Tucker is because I think a lot
of people are in harm’s way,
’cause I think we’re close to
a lot of these things happening,
and if you see ’em happening
and you go, “Well, that can’t be
the mark of the beast, so–
’cause I’m still here,
so go ahead, sign me up.
Here, I’ll take mine right here.
Can’t be the mark of the beast
’cause I’m still here.”
That’s dangerous.
I mean, that’s a really
dangerous spot to be in.
Dave: Yeah, I’ve had–I’ve had
people tell me that it’s not
a salvation issue, and like you
say, it does become a danger
when– this was–this kind
of blows me away.
Number one, you said something
about the wrath and the–
the wrath of Satan
and the wrath of God.
I know people that have been in
church their whole life, John,
that don’t understand
the wrath of Satan is
the Great Tribulation.
The wrath of God is the seven
vials of the wrath of God poured
out in Revelation chapter 16.
To hear you say that–a matter
of fact, I just wrote–
we put out “Endtime Magazine.”
I just wrote a giant two-section
article on the wrath of Satan
versus the wrath of God.
Once you get that principle and
understand the wrath of Satan
is the Great Tribulation,
the wrath of God is
what we’re not appointed to.
But think about this, and we
will be here through part of the
wrath of God, did you know that?
In Revelation 16, it goes down
through the first six vials
of the wrath of God.
And then it said,
“Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed he that watcheth
and keepeth his garment,
unless they walk naked
and they see his shame.”
But the wrath of God is not
poured out upon the church.
It’s only poured out–it’s
reserved for the armies
that come down against Israel
to battle at the battle
of Armageddon.
But when the Bible says we’re
not appointed under the wrath
of God, I agree with that 110%.
What do you think Christians
ought to be doing now?
Just in your opinion.
God gave you this.
I think we both believe
we’re–we’re in the end-time.
God gave you this awesome song.
The video’s awesome.
It’s–like you say, the thing is
exploding even though the media,
the big media machine,
isn’t–is not behind it.
But hey, we’ve got Go–
but God, right?
And so, I think God is making
the thing explode because
he wants to–for e–to wake
everybody up.
In your mind, what should–
not just–
like the things you posted on X.
The wicked people need
to be scared to death.
It needs to ignite Christians
and people that don’t know God,
they need to get–they need to
be figuring out what’s going on
and get to know God
pretty quick.
What, in your mind,
besides that, what would be
the main things that
Christians need to do?
What would you want the song to
do right here in the very end,
like closing remarks with
another maybe a couple
of minutes left or so?
What would you like to see
happen?
John: I mean, I think we have
to do what it says,
and in the passage, it says–
I’ve quoted twice now.
“If my people will humble
themselves,” so that’s
the first thing: humble
yourself, especially Americans.
We have a real problem with
humbleness, you know.
I mean, that’s–we’re proud
Americans, and we should be
proud of our country,
and we’ll go fight
and die for our country.
But he’s talking–he didn’t talk
about your country.
He said, “Humble yourself,”
humble yourself, repent.
You know, repentance is not
saying I’m sorry.
Repentance is–is turning around
and going in the opposite
direction and turn
from their wicked ways.
Those are the three conditions
he lays out to his own people
if you wanna–if you wanna
survive this, you wanna see it–
he says, “Heal your land.”
You gotta do those things,
and you may not think you’re
a person that needs to be
humbled and maybe you’re not.
There are truly humble people
out there.
For a guy like me who’s made my
whole living standing in front
of 20-30,000 people a night,
that’s a tough thing to keep
yourself humbled, you know?
‘Cause you go out on stage
and let’s go!
You know, but it’s not really
talking about an instance
like that.
It’s talking about your
general heart and attitude
towards–towards the Lord.
Like, you know he’s–he’s
calling the shots and you’re
just waiting for him to tell you
what he wants you to do next,
and then you’ll go do that,
whether it’s what you want to do
or not.
I liken it to, like, a old CB
radio in your grandpa’s truck.
And you turn that thing on, it’s
volume, as high as it’ll go,
no squelch.
Turn it all the way up,
and just leave it open,
and you’re driving and driving.
You may drive 100 miles and
all you hear is white noise,
and all of a sudden, “Breaker 1,
9, come on back,” you know.
And you’ll hear a message,
and you pick it up and say,
“Hey man,” you know,
and you start talking.
It’s like you gotta leave the
channel standing wide open
all the time with him.
I think that’s the verse about
“pray without ceasing.”
Doesn’t mean you’re on your
knees 24 hours a day praying,
but it means you’re in the
mindset of that, that you
are–you are open to whatever it
is he wants to tell you.
Just keep yourself open, and
when he does move you to do
something, you better go do it.
And the only way you’re going to
hear those things is if you have
humbled yourself in front of
him, so I think that’s the main
thing Christians need to do.
Dave: Yeah, and you know, when
you talk about–the song talks
about “the King is coming,
he’s set up his kingdom here
on the earth”–and I’ve got
30 seconds left, but really,
just–you know,
Jesus told Nicodemus,
“Except a man’s born again,
can’t enter or see the kingdom
of God,” that’s what really
this is all about, John.
I wanna go spend eternity
with the Lord.
I know you do too.
And I’ve got 20 seconds,
but man, thank you so much
and what a–what a great song.
What a great video.
I hope you get a trillion plays
on the thing and it really
explodes because it’s a message
that we need right now.
So thank you my friend
for joining me today.
God bless you, and God bless
your efforts moving forward.
John: Thank you
for having me on.
Dave: Yes, sir.
God bless.