Practice or Prophecy? The Day a Red Heifer Became a Turning Point in History

Male announcer: Previously on
“The Endtime Show.”
Dave Robbins: Does the red
heifer, scripturally, need to be
born in Israel?
Byron Stinson: So, no, there’s
not a requirement that they must
be born within that land.
Now, there’ll be some Jews that
say–but regardless, that is
the belief of past rabbis, or
someone else that’s living today
that thinks they have to be–
meet the requirements of what is
in the Bible, not what is made
up about what should be in
the Bible.
Dave: Now that’s a very
important statement right there.
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Dave: Welcome back, everybody,
and I’m joined today with my
good friend, Byron Stinson.
He found the red heifers here in
Texas, and he took five of them
to Israel, flew them
into Tel Aviv.
They ended up in Shiloh, and–
where they–actually, the
Tabernacle stood for a period
of time.
And the red heifers, it’s
just been–the story has went
everywhere, it’s very prophetic.
And everybody that, you know,
follows prophecy or the Bible at
all, they’re very
interested in this.
He wrote the book “Hunt for the
Red Heifer,” and it’s available
on Amazon.
And Byron and I actually had
this story here to go over about
the October 7 invasion and
everything that surrounded that
with the 100 days after the
invasion on October 7, but
you’re doing a very good job
talking about the missiles
that–in the seven-front war,
that they surrounded Israel.
But, yeah, you were talking
about Yahya Sinwar in
the letter.
Byron: Yeah, so, in the letter,
what Yahya expressed to his–
these terrible people in–with
Hezbollah and Iran was that he
could not wait any longer.
They had brought the cows, and
so he was going to do a
preemptive launch, and that’s
when he did October 7, so we
know it was because of the–
knowing that the cows were there
that he decided that he would
preemptively launch.
Now, what I believe, and I think
if your readers will go to
Zechariah 12 and read it
carefully, they’ll see the whole
story of Zechariah 12 is about
this plan to surround the nation
of Israel and then kill it.
But Judah, which are the Jews
that are back in the land now,
go out like a fire, and they win
the war, and they bring this
safety, and they have a
great victory.
And even in that Zechariah 12,
it talks about that many of the
enemies of Judah will
even be blinded.
And we all know that when you
get–a pager goes off, you put
it to your eyes to see what it
says, and that’s when they
explode, you’re probably
gonna be blinded.
So all of those things happened
right out of Zachariah 12, and I
believe it all happened as the
catalyst of it was because the
cows were there in Jerusalem.
So it’s just an amazing thing
that God used the cows already,
regardless of anything else,
they were used to get this to
preempt, and then Judah to go
out and do what they must.
They must come, because the
kingdom of God comes from Judah.
Judah must now stand up and
represent the kingdom of God.
Just like David and Solomon did,
now we’re seeing it arise again
in our time, the kingdom of God.
Dave: Yeah, so the–with the–
along with this scenario here
with the Hamas invasion on
October 7 of 2023, what kept you
from–are you saying it was
just the situation on the ground
with what was going on
down in Gaza?
Is that what kept you from doing
the ceremony–performing the
ceremony in–on Passover of
2024, or was that the government
of Israel, or just
everything combined?
Byron: You know, I work with
rabbis that–they look at all
the situations.
They have to look at the
political side, they look at the
rabbinical side, they look at
the secular side of Israel, and
then they–but more than
anything, they’re following the
Holy Spirit inside of them that
is leading and directing them,
and they’re very
spiritual, actually.
And it just really did not come
up the right time in their
hearts, and it was their call,
it wasn’t my call.
My part is to support them,
to be with them.
They’re the fathers of faith
that are tasked with this,
not me.
And so I was waiting for them,
and I can’t answer exactly why
their hearts were–just wait
until this war is over, but I
think it absolutely it was
the right thing to do.
Dave: Yeah, I mean, if you’re
sitting there looking at the
situation, boots on the ground,
with Yahya Sinwar’s letter
saying, “Look, I did this
preemptive strike because of
these red heifers,” and that–
you know, that’s a–it’s an
attempt, it’s an affront to the
Al-Aqsa Mosque, and he thought
it was going to promote the
Third Temple and really push
that down the road, the
building of that, so “I’m gonna
preemptively strike here.”
Well, that was October 7, 2023.
Passover was spring of 2024, and
so I can understand why the–
and imagine, at that point,
going up on the Mount of Olives
and performing the ceremony.
I mean, you’re talking about the
whole Middle East going up in
flames at that point.
They’re gonna all want to come
in and help and it would have
been insane.
So I can understand why you guys
didn’t want to do it, but then
that leads to July 1, which is
where I want to go now.
And the July 1 ceremony–to
perform the ceremony that you
guys did and–So we brought
five heifers to Shiloh and two
of them were disqualified.
Then you had three left that
were totally kosher, totally
red, no yolk, or never done any
work, no blemishes, they’re
totally kosher.
So here’s the questions
I have, Byron.
I think everybody else would
have the–pretty much have the
same ones.
On the July 1–this is July 1,
2025, everybody, just a few
months ago.
Who made the decision to perform
the ceremony on that date, July
1, and why was that significant,
both prophetically
and practically?
Who makes that decision?
Is that you, or rabbis, or who?
Byron: So the head of Boneh
Israel is Rabbi Yitzhak Mamo,
and he 100% makes those type of
decisions for Boneh Israel.
The cows belong to Boneh Israel.
Boneh Israel spent all the money
to get the cows there, and it’s
100% the call of Rabbi Yitzhak
Mamo of what to do.
Now, to be clear, July the
first, we didn’t know–before
that, we didn’t know for sure
certain things.
Like, you know, we did a lot of
investigation, like what kind of
wood do you burn the cow with?
And we found it needs to
be fig wood.
Well, God delivered that in
unlimited amounts that we could
find–that we found up in
this–by the Sea of
Galilee area.
So we had to bring in the wood,
but how much wood do you bring?
How fast does a cow burn?
All those things that hadn’t
been done in 2000 years, we felt
like we needed to know.
So Rabbi Yitzhak, in his heart
and mind, he was going to do
a practice.
Around the first of July, he
was going to do a practice.
It wasn’t set that it had to be
first of July, he was following
his heart and his spirit.
So we were gonna use the cow
that has the growths on her
neck, and that was the
plan for a practice.
And this is what’s brought a lot
of confusion, because that was
the plan.
Now, we are friends with–Boneh
Israel wants everyone to do
this together.
We don’t need to be the
leaders, the head of it.
We are, but there’s no
pride in that.
We want everyone to get to
participate, and we want unity
between Christians and Jews.
And I mean, this is–the whole
thing is, “Let’s have unity and
love for each other, and love
for the Lord, and respect Him.”
And so we invited–because we
respect the Temple Mountain
Institute, all the many, many
decades of work they’ve done, we
invited them to come and be at
the ceremony as an advisory role
of what they think as we do all
these things, because we want
all the opinion.
There’s a lot more groups than
the Temple Mountain Institute on
top of that that we respect, and
they should have–get to–they
have expertise, and we want it.
So we were gonna do the
practice, but I’ll tell you
what happened.
On July the first, we decided
this is–we put everything in
place, had the wood in place,
had the burning pit in place,
all those things.
There was a lot of work
to get ready.
And we got ready to go get the
cow on July the first, and this
little cow would not load up in
the loading chute.
And we’re trying to get her in,
and instead, the most perfect
one of our cows decides to walk
over and get in the
loading chute.
And I’m like, “Okay, don’t
worry, I’ll get her out.
We’ll move her out and we’ll
move–we’ll get the one we
want, the practice
cow, in there.”
And right at that moment, my
friend Rabbi Yitzhak Mamo said,
“Nope, basically, God chose it.
We’re using her.”
And that’s the moment that–we
already had the pure priest, we
already had all the other
things, and in his heart, he
decided to make a decision
to use a pure cow.
And that’s when you went from a
practice to a real ceremony.
Would it be–would it
come off right?
Would the cow burn properly?
All those things, we don’t know,
but we’re gonna do the
full ceremony.
And then that’s what wound up
happening then on July 1, but it
brought confusion, because it’s
not where everybody expected to
be, on the Mount of Olives.
It was–it didn’t meet all the
expectations, but I think, a lot
of times, it’s like that
with us, you know?
The Bible says, “The man that
sees most clearly is looking
through a stained glass,” and we
just see things moving around.
And so, when things happen like
this, you have to know God’s in
control, even when you don’t–
you know, just like the Yahya
Sinwar, who would have thought
that his horrible thing he did,
this massacre he did, would lead
to Judah becoming powerful in
the eyes of the world, and being
able to do what they’ve done to
establish peace in
the Middle East?
They’re the ones establishing
peace by the strength that
they’ve shown.
So that’s how the practice–it
went from a practice to an
actual ceremony on
July the first.
It was sudden, it was quick,
and it was done.
Dave: And so, the–to say it
was a real sacrifice, who
determines that it was real?
Is that Rabbi Mamo, or the
priest that was there, or–who
says, “Okay, this was the real
thing,” is that Rabbi Mamo?
And this was–this can be used
for the purification of Israel?
Byron: Okay, so there–first
off, I’m just–one word I’m
gonna change instead of
“sacrifice,” we’ll go
to “ceremony.”
Because sacrifice is something
that happens on the–
Dave: For the atonement
of sin, yeah.
Byron: –at the altar.
But–so the only one that can
say that this cow is pure and
say that the–that it was done
correctly, is a priest from the
line of the Kohen priest line.
And so he also has to be raised
specially for this procedure.
He has to be kept away from
death his entire life.
You use a young Kohen priest.
He’s the one that certifies
whether the cow is pure or not
at the time of the ceremony.
You can say before, “It doesn’t
look pure to me,” but when he
certifies it, then it was pure.
Or you can say before, “It looks
pure to me,” but if he says,
“No, it’s not pure,”
then it’s not pure.
He’s the one that
makes the call.
And so we–by the hand of the
Lord, there were a few
candidates for that priest, and
we had a priest that was in that
line, and he’s the one that did
the ceremony, and he’s the one
that proclaimed the cow to be
pure, and it became a real
ceremony when he did that.
Dave: A lot of controversy has
came from the perspective that
it had to be done on the Mount
of Olives, but you’re saying
that this could have been
the one, as well.
It didn’t–I mean, biblically,
does it have to be on the Mount
of Olives, or could have been
done in Shiloh and be a–let’s
say, a kosher ceremony, the
correct ceremony?
Byron: Well, there’s–some will
say it has to be on the Mount of
Olives, but–and I would have
thought that myself, probably,
but if you go back to the Bible,
it doesn’t say that.
It does say–there’s a
conundrum here.
There’s a conundrum.
When Moses is given this law
and–the red heifer law, he
commands that the tabernacle be
built and prepared but not used.
And then, before you use it,
then you do the red heifer
ceremony, and you sprinkle the
blood toward this tabernacle.
And that is the–that is what
you’re supposed to do is the
blood is supposed to go towards
the tabernacle, the temple.
Today, there is no temple, and
to build a temple, you need to
be purified in your flesh before
you can approach the holy place.
So there’s no way to build the
temple until you’re purified
with the ash, but you’re
supposed to be sprinkling the
ash towards the temple.
So you have a–
Dave: There’s a conundrum.
Pause right there, Byron, I got
one more break we’re gonna do,
and then we’ll come back,
because this is very,
very critical,
the location of the ceremony,
and so we’ll talk about it right
after the break.
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Dave: It talks about sprinkling
the blood toward the tabernacle,
or the temple, but
that doesn’t exist.
So, how do you–how do
we solve that?
I mean, you know, who
makes that decision?
Is that the Rabbi, or Rabbi
Mamo, or Temple Institute,
Temple Mountain?
Who’s making the decision,
making the call here?
Byron: So, what I believe, and
this will not be accepted by
some of my Jewish friends.
This is more to your audience,
who are more spiritual.
You got to realize that the
church scattered in the nations
was, by believing in Yeshua, had
the Holy Spirit implanted in us,
and when that happens, then God
starts building a spiritual
temple within our hearts.
So there is a temple on earth,
but it’s in the hearts
of believers.
Now, the Jewish friends of mine
that I love very, very much, and
I don’t mean to be disagreeable
with them, they only look at
this as a physical temple,
that’s all.
But there’s that conundrum when
you only look at the physical.
So there’s both.
There’s spirit and there’s
physical come together for the
one new man to come together.
And so, what happened on that
hilltop in Shiloh is we had a
physical cow, a physical priest
sprinkle blood towards believers
in Yeshua who have a temple in
their heart, a spiritual temple.
So what I see is it was done.
This is what happened, but it
was also the blood was being
sprinkled towards Jerusalem,
which is where the temple will
be built.
So I think the only one that can
make all this come together is a
higher power, which is named–
He’s the God of Abraham, Isaac,
and Jacob, and He has a plan to
make these things come perfect
to the Bible, perfect to the
law, and also perfect in the
physical, and perfect in the
spiritual.
It is the coming together of
physical and spiritual, and
that’s–in my book, I talk
about that a lot.
This is what we’re seeing, and
it’s very hard for the spiritual
to understand all
that physical stuff.
It’s hard for the physical to
see the spiritual.
So we’re walking on eggshells a
little bit trying to understand
this, and so–but that’s what
I see in it, and that’s what
I’m telling.
Dave: So all the biblical
qualifications for a certified
ceremony, the Kohen priest was
there, and so everything was
done scripturally for a
certified red heifer ceremony,
July 1.
Byron: Yes.
Dave: So the ashes that were
collected, it–does that
include–I mean, there’s got to
be a specific way to do it to
where–the ashes mix–I mean,
this is the question everybody’s
wanting to know that they–the
ashes mixes with the wood.
Was there a way to collect the
heifer’s ashes?
How does all that work?
They’d have to be kind of
together, wouldn’t they?
They’re all burned up
together, yeah.
Byron: Oh, it’s all
burnt together.
You know, all the cedars of
Lebanon, the worm that goes in–
the red, the heifer, all of it
burns together, and you have
the ash.
The hyssop in there,
it’s all together.
Now, what happened was Rabbi
Yitzhak Mamo asked the Temple
Mountain Institute to bring some
people and collect the
first ashes.
So they collected the very first
ashes, and they have those.
And then, after that, there were
still ashes left, and so he
allowed us to go out and collect
the remainder of the ashes.
So I have those.
As a matter of fact, I’ve kind
of put them in a little baggies
so we can start getting a few
around for people that are
interested to know how all of
this–what this is about.
To help the world educationally
understand what the Jewish
fathers of faith are going
to do with the ashes.
And so this is how the
collection happened.
Dave: Yeah, so that’s very key,
because some people have said–
some of the articles that I read
have said, “Well, the–you
know, the Gentiles went in there
and started gathering ashes,”
but that’s not the case.
You’re saying that the Temple
Mountain Institute, they went in
there and got the first set,
which would be used for the
purification of the Jews, then
you guys went in later and
got some.
So that that’s a very key point.
Byron: Yes, that’s right, and it
needs to be understood.
So thank you for telling the
world, it needs to
be understood.
Dave: Yes, so, the ashes, how
much ash is needed–do they
think will be needed to
purify Israel?
One cow, is that enough?
Or–because there’s, like,
population close to nine million
Jews, I think, in Israel.
Is that–do they have enough
ash to do that?
Byron: This little bag right
here is enough to purify all
nine million Jews.
This little bag, right here.
Dave: So the–it can be–so,
like, that little bag could be
mixed with 1000 gallons of
water, as long as that bag–
Byron: Hundreds of thousands.
Dave: Hundreds of
thousands of gallons?
Okay, so yeah.
So that one cow would be
absolutely–man, you could
probably do millions and
millions of people, tens of
millions of people.
Byron: You can do
the entire world.
Dave: Sure, with–yeah.
Okay, so that’s a huge question,
you know, “Do they have enough
now to do it?”
So this is huge for everybody
who understands this because,
if–you know, if this is a
legit ceremony, it was
certified, everything biblically
has been taken care of, it was
all–the red heifer
was qualified.
So if you have the ashes now–
Now, really quick, the Temple
Mountain Institute, is that
different than the Temple
Institute in downtown Jerusalem?
Are those the same thing or
different?
Byron: They’re the same thing.
They have different people
connected, but as far as I know,
it is exactly the same thing.
Dave: The Temple Institute has,
like, the mock-up Ark of the
Covenant, the candelabra.
You know which one I’m
talking about, right?
There just–okay.
So this is all–they’re
all connected.
Because the article that we were
talking about, the “Israel365”
deal that I watched just before
we came on the air, he was
talking about the Temple
Institute, and those are the
ones that I know of.
I’ve been going there for–I
don’t know how many times I’ve
been there and showed our tour
group, but I just want to make
sure they’re all tied together
here for everybody
that’s listening.
Byron: Yeah, that–they are our
friends, and they are led by
Rabbi Ariel, who started that
over 40 years ago.
He’s a scholar, he’s brilliant.
His son works with him.
But there’s many more people
connected to them, and each
rabbi can have a different
take on things.
There is something I’ve said
before, and I’ll say it again.
If you bring three pastors into
a room to discuss an issue,
they’re probably gonna get at
least six different opinions.
But with rabbis, you bring three
rabbis together, you’re gonna
get 12 opinions.
Dave: Oh, yeah.
Byron: So, you know, it’s this
thing that they’re trying their
very best to understand all of
it and bring it all together.
They have not only the Bible
that they’re looking at, the
Torah and the scriptures,
they’re also looking at the
Mishnah, and what past rabbis
have taught, and they’re all
trying to bring this together
with what they call the “oral
law,” and the actual law,
“written law.”
And there’s a lot of things
there that I don’t think Yeshua
would be happy with.
I think he would have a talk
with them, just like he would
with us, because we do
the same thing.
We’re human.
We all have to learn.
And so I think that’s all part
of the process of learning is we
have to listen to each other, we
have to love each other, and we
can disagree.
I know you and I will disagree
on some things, Dave, but we’re
gonna stay in love.
We’re going by the
power of Christ.
We’re gonna love God, and we’re
gonna love each other, and just
discuss these things.
And so that’s what I would like
to see rather than try to slam
somebody, or hurt somebody,
or say, “You’re wrong!”
I don’t know that I’m right, and
I don’t know that they’re wrong.
I just know what my personal–
what I’ve come to understand,
and I’m looking through a
stained glass, and I just see
things moving around, and I’m
just trying to help people see
what I see, and maybe it
will help someone.
I hope it will.
Dave: Yeah, when you gave them
the ashes–when they collected
the–they went out and
collected the ashes themselves,
did they acknowledge that this
could be the legit ceremony, and
that these would work to
purify the Jews?
Byron: I’m just–I don’t want
to be divisive, but I’m just
gonna tell the truth here on
this thing, okay?
We put together, Boneh Israel
put together a very expensive
crew to make sure we captured
everything on high-end video,
and we did that.
And the plan was to then take
that very carefully and produce
a video that we could share with
the Gentiles, the Jews,
everyone, to start teaching
about cleansing from the–the
effect of death on our bodies,
what that’s about.
And so we asked that no one
would take any videos except for
us, Boneh Israel.
The Temple Mountain Institute
wanted to honor that, but they
had some other rabbis
they invited.
Evidently, one of them, or more
of them, took their cell phone
out, they took the video.
They wanted to be the
first to have it.
They ran to secular media, and
so, two days after we did the
ceremony, it’s all over the
world in secular media, pictures
of the event.
And with information saying it
was a non-kosher event, that
there was–it wasn’t
a kosher cow.
And there were stuff like, “the
cow had been bit by a dog,” and
“the cow was white,” and “the
cow was–” this, and “the cow–”
it was all kinds of bad
information went flowing out.
And so, because I spent hundreds
of thousands of dollars, and
years trying to get to this
moment, it was–and it was just
supposed to be keeping quiet so
we can really produce something
well-thought-out, it–I didn’t
react the best, and I apologize
to Rabbi Yitzhak Mamo, or
anybody else watching, if I
didn’t react the best.
I said, “Put together
a little video.
We’re gonna put one out there
because I have to tell the world
that what they’re saying is
not accurate.”
They’re probably saying it
because they understood that it
was supposed to be a practice,
and that’s what it was–
you know.
But bottom line, we need to tell
the world it was a
real ceremony.
It turned out to be a
real ceremony.
And so this caused a big
concussion in the world, and it
still is, it’s still amongst the
Jewish people, and amongst
Gentiles, people “asking, What’s
going on with all of this?”
And, “Why in the world is
this all happening?”
which, personally, even though
it was a bit of a catastrophe,
in a way, it–actually, I think
it’s good, because it’s
beginning to make people want to
come watch your show, and get
the information, and
try to find out.
And so some people would trust
what I might say, others might
trust what others say.
It’s up to them.
It’s free will in this.
Let them come, let them learn,
and then we’ll all learn
together more about what God is
doing on earth at this time.
Dave: Well, all we need right
now, looks like, is maybe a
peace agreement to build a Third
Temple, and we’re off to the
races, right?
Byron: It could happen.
It’s gonna come down–really,
it’s gonna–what–for me, what
I see, when I look at the Word
of God, when I look in the book
of Daniel, Daniel talks about
there’s gonna come a time when
the kingdoms of mankind rule the
earth until the last kingdom of
mankind, and then they’re gonna
be coming up with a plan of how
to rule over the entire earth.
And there will come up the
kingdom of God that will come
up, and there will be a clash
between the two, and that’s
where we are.
And the kingdom of God will win
this clash, because the kingdoms
of men will start disagreeing
with each other and fight
amongst themselves, which will
allow the kingdom of God to
come forth–
Dave: Really quick, Byron,
really quick.
I’m right here at the end
of the show.
Tell me the name of your book
and where they can get it.
Byron: So the name of the book
is “Hunt for the Red Heifer,”
and they can get it on Amazon,
and I would love for them to
read more about all this.
And I just want to tell you,
Dave, thank you so much for
having me on your show.
Dave: Absolutely,
thank you, sir.
And there you go, everybody.
There’s the truth of what
happened on July 1, and wow,
what a revelation it
is, very prophetic.
Look forward to seeing what’s
happening in the near future,
and Byron, thank you
very much, my friend.
God bless.
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