Inside the Hunt for the Red Heifer: The Ceremony That Shocked Israel

Dave Robbins: A Texas rancher, five flawless red heifers, and a
prophecy coming to life.
Byron Stinson, the author of “Hunt for the Red Heifer,” joins
me on today’s program to reveal what really happened at the July
1 ceremony and whether this could be the signs believers
have long awaited.
Don’t miss this powerful conversation about prophecy and
the future of Israel only on “The Endtime Show.”
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Dave: Good afternoon, everybody.
I’m Dave Robbins with Endtime Ministries.
I do thank you for joining me on this edition of “The Endtime
Show,” and I’ve got a very good friend of mine and a reoccurring
guest on our program here at “The Endtime Show,”
Byron Stinson.
Byron Stinson is the one that found the red heifers here in
Texas and took them to Israel.
So a lot of controversy surrounding this, my good
friend, but welcome to the show today, Byron.
Byron Stinson: Hey, good morning.
Good to see you, my friend.
Glad to be with you.
God bless you.
Dave: Absolutely, well, God bless you as well and, wow,
there’s just a few questions that we want to get answered
about the red heifer and the ceremony that happened on July
1 and everything surrounding that, but just for the sake of
the new listeners, we just went on a lot of new programs.
We’ve been on there a few weeks, a lot of new radio stations
and things.
So, Byron, we’ll have people that are maybe a complete novice
to what we’re talking about and then some people that are just
up on it every day and everybody in between.
So to start off here, number one, before we get started, you
have written a book.
What’s the name of your book and give me just a brief synopsis of
the book.
Byron: Yeah, so the name of the book is “Hunt for the
Red Heifer.”
It’s available on Amazon and it kind of tells the backstory of
how the Lord brought me into all of this, personally, and then it
tells about the hunt, how we found the cows, and how we
eventually shipped them to Israel.
So, it’s really not about the ceremony so much.
It’s not about what the ceremony is about, biblically.
It’s more just about the physical things that needed to
happen to get these cows from Texas into Israel and how that
all came about, and that’s what that book–I’m starting to work
on a second one that will be really not so much about the red
heifers, but about the actual real place of Bethlehem.
So I’m gonna be doing that for Christmas.
So I’m looking forward to helping people understand that
Bethlehem is not on top of a hill, but it was down in the
fields where Boaz and Ruth were together at Bethlehem Ephrathah,
the fruitful place of the house of bread.
So that’s my next project.
I’m sure you and I’ll be talking about that too as those–as
that comes around.
Dave: Yeah, so the “Hunt for the Red Heifer” is–that’s
on Amazon.
People can get it there?
Byron: Yes.
Dave: Okay, very good.
So for–just because, again, like I said, we’ve got so many
new listeners right now, I just want to dive right off into
these questions, but I want to first make sure that everybody
understands what we’re talking about here, to bring the
audience in on our conversation.
So when we talk about the red heifer, what is the biblical
significance of that?
What’s the prophetic significance, biblical
significance, of the red heifer?
Why do we need a red heifer?
Why does Israel think they need one?
Byron: Yeah, so in Numbers 19, there’s one of the laws of God.
There’s 613 laws given to Moses, as well as a pattern was given
to him, to Moses, from God, so that God’s will could be done on
earth, and that pattern was in the tabernacle tent.
And so that tabernacle tent now, we call it the temple, but it’s
actually just the pattern of the tabernacle.
So those things were given to Moses and it was given as a law
that the way you start all that and understand everything that’s
gonna happen within the tabernacle is to start with a
red heifer ceremony where you take this red heifer and you
collect the ashes of it after it’s been burnt in a ceremony
and mix it with living water, and then you’re able to enter
into the tabernacle structure going through the one gate.
Going to the altar of sacrifice, going to the light of the world,
which is the Menorah, going to the show bread, eventually to
the ark of the Covenant, the mercy seat, the things, every
piece of it is about the redemption of mankind so that
God’s will can be done on earth as it is in heaven.
So it’s a very important process.
Now, it’s not about the forgiveness of sin totally.
There is some of that in the red heifer ceremony because it
represents Yeshua.
But what it’s really about is something that Christians don’t
really think about, but the Jews think about constantly.
The Jews are more physical.
They’re looking at physical things that God is doing amongst
us more than the spiritual.
And there is something that the Jews are very aware of is that
the effect of death is what limits us be able to live more
than 70 or 120 years and then die, that God has a promise that
his will would be done on earth, which is not for us to die but,
like Adam and Eve, for us to be returned back to dominion over
the earth.
And these are things that they know are supposed to happen.
And so the effect of death is taken away by the red heifer ash
water when it’s sprinkled with hyssop.
And so they’ve been wanting to do that and desiring to do that
since they came back to the land, and so they’ve been
working hard to bring about the ceremony of the red heifer.
It’s the first step really before you can even enter into
the holy places and you can go on into that pattern of coming
back to the ways of God.
Dave: Yes, so I know from a prophetic perspective that there
will be a third temple built up on the Temple Mount in just the
very near future.
And so that’s why for me prophetically that there–I
know that, you know, Israel believe there has to be a red
heifer in order for, like you say, it’s the first step.
There has to be a red heifer ceremony to purify Israel.
Anybody who’s been in contact with a dead body, where they
went to a hospital or a funeral or walked by a grave, anybody,
so basically all of Israel would have to be purified by the ashes
from this red heifer mixed with water and different things to
even be able to start the sacrifices, the daily sacrifices
to build the temple, any of that kind of stuff.
And so that’s why my father-in-law before me, Irvin
Baxter, and now I and Endtime Ministries were so interested in
getting a modern-day red heifer, performing a ceremony, so that
the temple can be rebuilt, which is talked about over and over in
Scripture: there will be a third temple.
So all of this, very prophetic, it’s so interesting to people
who are into Bible prophecy and that’s why our listeners are so,
you know, up on everything.
So, very quickly here before I get into some of the questions,
we’ll lead towards January– July 1 and what happened there.
How did you get involved in the red heifer project, because
you’re not a–you didn’t start out as a red heifer rancher, I
mean, so how’d you get involved in this to begin with?
Just a very brief synopsis.
How’d you get involved in it and to the point where the red
heifers came to Israel.
Byron: So to get the whole story, you will have to get my
book, “Hunt for the Red Heifer,” which will take you back and
it’ll talk about when I was 13 years old, I’m reading
the Bible.
I hear an–a verbal conversation between God and
Lucifer in my bedroom.
God’s saying, “I’m gonna use him with the Jewish people,” and
Lucifer saying that I would be a failure and I was too full of
lust and sexual problems, so that all happened to me and I
realized that I couldn’t tell my friends that or my mother or
anybody ’cause they’re all gonna think I’m crazy and probably
some of your audience thinks that right now.
But what happened was it did come about and God did start
sending me to Israel in 2007.
We started a foundation called The Father’s House Foundation.
Through that, we did projects in Israel.
The very stones that Joshua had put on the ground are at a place
called Gilgal.
They’d been discovered by an archaeologist named Adam Zertal,
but they had not been– they weren’t accessible to
the public.
So we built a road, parking lot.
We started working to make sure the world come see the stones.
And the reason we did that, because in the Bible, Joshua
says, “We’re putting these stones on the ground so that in
the future, people will see them and know the Bible’s true.”
And there’s really nothing more important than people
understanding that the Bible is the truth.
We may not all agree on it, we may not understand all of it,
but it’s truth that we need to start learning more about all
the time.
So we did that project.
From that project, I was trusted with artifacts that came from
the very fields of Bethlehem and been helping to protect those
artifacts in the United States since 2008.
And then I did a project.
I was asked to clean the Garden of Gethsemane, which is the
King’s Garden.
And so we did that in 2008.
And we’ve done other projects, and through that, I built
relationships with rabbis that are in Israel, and they said,
“Let’s start a new organization that’s called Boneh Israel,”
which means to build up Israel.
And so they made me the team leader over Boneh Israel,
although it’s a Jewish–the president is a Jewish rabbi, and
we have Jews on the board, but we have Gentiles on the board.
And so we’re working together like one new man to try to honor
God on the holy mountain of God.
And so, through that, we all– we often have some
discrepancies, differences, but we have decided that we’re gonna
just choose to love each other and know that the Messiah
is coming.
Some of my rabbi friends don’t believe it’s Yeshua.
I do believe it’s Yeshua.
We can work together because we’ve agreed that when the
Messiah comes, we’ll ask him to show his passport.
If it has two stamps on it, then for sure it was Jesus.
And so they’re okay with that, and that’s the way we
work together.
So what happened was the Temple Mountain Institute, that’s gonna
come up and we’ll talk about it.
They’ve been an organization that’s been working long and
hard for many, many years.
And so the rabbis I work with are friends with them and
connected as friends and trying to support each other.
And so they knew that the Temple Mountain Institute had many
failures trying to do this, but they were–here’s what the–
here’s what the Word of God says in Numbers 19.
It says to ask Israel to bring to Judah a red heifer.
So people don’t understand the difference between Israel
and Judah.
Israel is the 10 tribes to the north of Jerusalem that were
scattered at 720 BC into all the nations of the earth.
They’ve lost their lineage, they’ve lost their religions.
They’re just scattered, but because the Torah wound up in
our churches, that’s where Israel collects.
That’s where Israel goes.
So the lineage of Israel is within the church.
And the rabbis that I work with realize that’s where Israel is.
And there’s a promise that God makes when he scatters the ten
tribes of the north.
That in the last days, he will gather them back and he’ll put
the 12 tribes together with Judah being the tribe that’s at
the top, the king line over all the tribes.
And this is the one new man.
So they saw my group, Boneh Israel, not the Temple Mount
Institute, but Boneh Israel said, “Let’s try that.
Let’s ask Israel to bring us a red heifer,” and they turned to
me to represent Israel.
Now, I have a small ranch and I have some black cows, but I
don’t have any red cows.
We had to go out and they’re very rare, very hard to find,
but we put together a great team that worked hard and we–and
there’s a whole story, it’s in the Red Heifer book.
I won’t go through all of it again.
It was very difficult, but we were able to locate the right
ones on a ranch and we had, I won’t go into all the details,
but we located the cows and then through pain and suffering, we
managed to collect all the money through Boneh Israel.
The Temple Mount Institute did not add any money to our–
they weren’t involved actually in what we did.
And so Boneh Israel shipped the cows to Texas and we–I mean,
excuse me, to Tel Aviv.
We got them there in, I believe it was ’22, yeah, September
of ’22.
And so they have to be in their third year and so we’ve had to
wait till they were mature enough and now they’re ready and
they’re still–we still have three of them that’s pure–
well, actually, now we have two of them that are pure red still
out of the five that we shipped over there.
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Dave: Yeah, so this–that was one of my questions I would get
to, and you just answered it.
Of the five that you shipped, which were pet–because when I
was here in Texas with you, we met out on Ty Davenport’s ranch.
There was like 21 of them, and I’ve got–I’ve got pictures of
them on my phone.
You had the rabbis over here doing blood testing and things
like that, but you’re only allowed to ship five to Israel
as pets, right?
For because of like agricultural stuff or something like that.
Byron: Yeah, when they–when I first was asked by the president
of Boneh Israel to represent Israel and go find them, he
said, “We just need one.
That’s all they need.”
But I thought to myself, “Well, I think we better try to find
more than one.”
In my mind, I wanted to ship seven.
So when we started looking, I was going to be successful at 7,
but God did 3 times 7 is 21, and that’s what we wound up with.
However, the laws between the United States and Israel don’t
allow livestock to be shipped over there.
It’s about meat production and those type things.
And–but they do have a law in Israel that you can ship up to
five pets.
And they can be lizards and they can be dogs, cats, alligators,
crocodiles, or cows.
So we named our cows and we went under that law that they have
and we were able to ship five over to Israel.
We do have access to more.
The ranch is still breeding and still raising beautiful, perfect
red cows in Rockwall, Texas.
Dave: Okay, so this is crazy.
I want everybody to know this, that followed us for years.
My father-in-law Irvin Baxter, he followed–he was working
with a guy named Clyde Lott in Mississippi with the Israeli
ranchers for years.
He was watching this so closely about people trying to get a
red heifer.
They were never able to get one up to–of age into the third
year, and so he passed away November 3, 2020.
And he is buried in Rockwall, Texas, and you guys, you guys
found the red heifer on a ranch about 10 or 15 miles south of
where he’s buried in Rockwall, Texas.
It’s unbelievable, and me and my wife, every time we go out to
visit him, we’re like, Dad, you know, you’re not gonna believe
what’s happening right now.
It’s–everything’s happening so quickly, leading up to the
building of the Third Temple, the soon return of Jesus Christ,
it’s just, it’s awesome to see it all play out.
And I know that he’s sitting up in the portals of heaven
watching the whole thing, kind of wishing he could be here, but
I know he’s pretty relaxed where he’s at, so it’s pretty awesome
to see how it’s all playing out.
When you got them to–so you took five over there.
Two of them have been disqualified, correct?
Byron: Yeah, we had–one grew out some–the Santa Gertrudis
that we took, one was Santa Gertrudis.
It fairly quickly started growing white hairs in its tail
and we got disqualified for that.
Another one had some growths on her neck.
And so she’s disqualified but still left three beautiful
perfect red heifers there at Shiloh.
Once we had made the–when we first came into Israel with
them, we had them at Tel Aviv.
We moved them to Haifa during quarantine.
We moved them down by Gilgal, which is the entry place, where
Joshua comes in the land.
Then we made a deal with Shiloh, which is the next place and the
next station where the tabernacle tent goes, and now
the next place that we look for would be going to the Mount
of Olives.
But for now we’ve already done the ceremony, of course, at
Shiloh or outside Shiloh, outside the camp.
Dave: Yeah, so we’ll get to that ceremony in just a minute
because that’s gonna be the crux of the thing here.
I got a few questions that people have asked that I want to
make sure I get to.
So what happens with a red heifer once they’re
disqualified, is that pretty much just turned into hamburger
or what?
I mean, it’s just like I can’t use it and so.
Byron: Well, probably, like, the Santa Gertrudis, I think we’ll
keep having problems with the tail, so we probably won’t breed
her back, but the others can be bred back.
We only need one cow for the ceremony at a time.
There can be more than one ceremony, but we’re really
looking for that tenth ceremony.
And so the Santa Gertrudis probably wouldn’t be bred back,
but the others can all be bred back, even the one that had the
little growths on the neck.
It was pure red, you know, we could have a baby with her, and
maybe that’s the pure red one but–so we have that that can
start happening in the land.
But at the same time, the full herd, which is 500 cows is being
bred back with perfect red animals.
You know, Ty Davenport in Rockwall, he raised that herd
just because he loved Numbers 19 and he wanted to raise perfect
red cows and he did it.
God allowed Ty to be able to do that.
And so it’s available to us through Ty and he’s still
willing and able to help with that if there’s a need for more
to be shipped there.
It’ll be money.
I mean, we spent almost a million dollars through Boneh
Israel to get the cows over there.
It was very expensive and I didn’t have that money, although
I put about $250,000 personally into it.
Many people came and they gave, and now that we’ve got some
there, I think we could bring more if there’s a desire for
more of them to go to Israel.
Dave: Yeah, it was–it was kind of weird when we went out
there because the–when I pulled up on the property, we
followed you back to where they were checking the cows and there
was red horses, there was a red dog.
I mean, I was like, what is in the water?
This is unbelievable.
And it was kind of amazing, but so let me just run through some
of the questions that I have and a lot of our listeners have had
here and, you know, just fire the answers at me.
Some people suggest that the red heifers are just a decoys for
the real ones that are somewhere else.
And again this is not my opinion.
I just wanted to ask you this because we got some people that
are interested.
The ones that are in Shiloh right now, those are the real
ones that you brought here from Ty Davenport’s ranch.
In other words, there wasn’t ten and you put five up there and
some are in, you know, some are public.
Those are the actual ones.
Byron: Yes, that’s correct.
I made the deal with Shiloh myself.
You can find the video of me making that agreement with agent
Shiloh to keep them there.
Dave: Okay, are the–so you’re saying there are three kosher
red heifers left.
One of them was the ceremony July 1, and there are still
two there.
Is there an upper limit to the age of the red heifers?
These were in their third year and they were kosher.
What if they get to be ten years old?
Can–is that still viable?
Byron: As long as they qualify for all of the things that are
in the Torah, they hadn’t been used for work and no yoke on
them, no blemishes, and they’re all red, then they’ll be fine at
ten years.
Now there probably won’t be any that’ll make it that long
because eventually they’ll grow.
Dave: Something will happen.
Byron: Yeah, but that would– it’s not about they turn a
certain age and that’s too late.
It’s about they have to get to a certain age before you can–
they have to go from being a baby, they have to be the age of
a cow.
They have to be able to produce, but never have been bred or
around a bull where they could be bred.
So they have to be–basically the way you have to look at it,
they have to be a virgin.
They have to be like Jesus, born of a virgin, okay?
Dave: Absolutely, does the red heifer scripturally need to be
born in Israel?
Now I know that you’re gonna say no because you got them from
here in Texas, but I’m saying there’s a lot of people that are
interested in saying, well, Scripture, you know, they tried
to get ’em in Israel for years.
The ranches and stuff over– they weren’t able to.
But does Scripture say they need to be born in Israel?
Byron: Actually, no, it doesn’t say that.
And if you look at where Moses was when the first one happened,
it’s in a land group down in the Sinai that today would be
Israel, but it sometimes is not in Israel.
So, no, there’s not–there’s not a requirement that they must
be born within that land.
Now, there’ll be some Jews that say, but regardless, that is the
belief of past rabbis or someone else that’s living today that
thinks they have to be born in Israel.
If that’s true, then they could still be born there.
I don’t think that’s true myself.
I think they just have to be– meet the requirements of what is
in the Bible, not what is made up about what should be in
the Bible.
Dave: Now that’s a very important statement right there.
The–so you’re–you are breeding red–trying to breed
red heifers there as well as Ty Davenport is still breeding them
here in Rockwall, Texas, correct?
Byron: Yeah, well, I don’t–we actually tried to inseminate the
two that were disqualified and neither one took.
It wasn’t God’s plan to let that happen.
And we–so we spent a lot of money trying to do that.
It didn’t happen.
It doesn’t mean it can’t happen there in Israel.
But that didn’t seem to be what the Lord wanted, so it didn’t
happen yet.
Dave: Can a red heifer be genetically modified?
I’ve got some people that are asking that.
So is that–would that be a viable–in the Jew’s mind,
would a genetically modified red heifer be okay, qualified or as
long as–
Byron: I really don’t know.
I don’t think that’s gonna be necessary, and I don’t–and so
far every time they’ve tried it, it didn’t work.
So I don’t think the Lord’s gonna do that, but I’m not
speaking for the Lord.
He’s God.
Dave: Right, right.
If the–so I know about the July 7 ceremony.
We’ll talk about that here in a little bit.
Well, I don’t want to ask this question until we talk
about that.
So, I know that one of the things I wanted to bring up
before we get there because at the bottom of the hour is when
I’m gonna start the July 1 stuff, but when the October
7–so you and I were both there on October 7 when Hamas
invaded and you guys were looking to perform the ceremony
in–so they invaded October 7, 2023.
You guys were originally, I think, refresh my memory here,
you guys were gonna try to do the ceremony on the Mount of
Olives on Passover of 2024.
Is that not correct?
Byron: Well, we absolutely wanted to.
It wasn’t set that it was gonna happen.
It was just something that we had a desire.
We’ve had a desire to do it even before that, but you know, with
the situations over there and everything, it just hasn’t
happened yet at that point.
So yeah, we wanted to.
I think there’s a lot bigger story on that that you’d be–
your listeners would really like to know about if you–it takes
just a little bit of time, but I think you’d be stunned.
Dave: Yeah, go.
I wanna hear about it as well. Go ahead.
Byron: Okay, so Yahya Sinwar was one–he’s the leader of Hamas
in Gaza.
And there was a master plan out of the IRGC in Iran to build up
missiles quietly, but build up the stocks of missiles in Iran,
in Lebanon, by the Hezbollah, in Sudan, and Gaza and Syria to
build up these huge arsenals because they realized they’ve
been shooting for years, tens of thousands of rockets at Israel
and Israel’s defenses could knock them down.
And they decided if we all do this quietly and kind of act
like we’re friends with Israel, maybe we’ll even join the
accords and we’re gonna act good, but then quietly just
start building up those stocks of missiles.
Then all at once, they were gonna launch all of them.
And the plan was probably to do it about in 2025, about now.
Because they hadn’t built up the amount of them that they wanted.
Now Yahya Sinwar, the leader in–of Hamas in Gaza, he found
out that there were five red heifers brought there, and he
realized the significance that that would move forward the
building of the temple.
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