June 1, 2010
Mystery Babylon – Who Is It?

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  1. prop•a•gan•da [prop-uh-gan-duh]
    noun 1.information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
    2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
    3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.
    4. Roman Catholic Church .
    a. a committee of cardinals, established in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV, having supervision over foreign missions and the training of priests for these missions.
    b. a school (College of Propaganda) established by Pope Urban VIII for the education of priests for foreign missions.
    5.Archaic. an organization or movement for the spreading of propaganda. Origin:
    1710–20; < Neo-Latin, short for congregātiō dē propāgandā fidē congregation for propagating the faith; propāgandā, ablative singular feminine gerundive of propāgāre; see propagate
    Dictionary.com Unabridged
    Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2014.
    RC Church a congregation responsible for directing the work of the foreign missions and the training of priests for these
    Collins English Dictionary – Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
    Official government communications to the public that are designed to influence opinion. The information may be true or false, but it is always carefully selected for its political effect.
    The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
    Website American Historical Association
    The Story of Propaganda
    The term “propaganda” apparently first came into common use in Europe as a result of the missionary activities of the Catholic church. In 1622 Pope Gregory XV created in Rome the Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith. This was a commission of cardinals charged with spreading the faith and regulating church affairs in heathen lands. A College of Propaganda was set up under Pope Urban VIII to train priests for the missions.
    In its origins “propaganda” is an ancient and honorable word. Religious activities which were associated with propaganda commanded the respectful attention of mankind. It was in later times that the word came to have a selfish, dishonest, or subversive association.

  2. Church, what have you learned from all of this? Did you learn about attitudes? Did you learn anything about Jesus and his love for others? Did any of this bring edification to the church or any of its members? Did any of you suffer anger and confusion? There were so many quick responses to the comments, did you see where speaking without thinking can get you into trouble? Is the Holy Spirit in any of it? What effect does our actions and attitudes have on others? Did any of this display the Love of Christ? How will the Antichrist and False Prophet affect us all? In what way will we be accused? How will we defend our beliefs or will we? Will we stand strong or fall easily? Can churches be united? or not? What do you think Jesus thinks? What does he see? How many of us stand and falsely accuse others of what we don’t know. How many of us listen to rumors passed on to us by people we know and love but we do not have actual evidence that it is truth? In what way does that affect our studies about God? How many of us pass on those rumors to other people? Does what we say affect the outlook people have on our church? What do our actions say about the entire congregation? Does it affect the way people view our ministers? Are we loosing a part of our congregation when a brother or sister is treated this way in our church? I have seen that happen. How do we treat one another in our own churches? Example: our church organist who had been faithful to the church for 40 years left the church because her husband died. He had emphysema and he did not attend services. Four of the ladies went to her on his death and said: “I am so sorry Jerry died and went to hell!” I had those same thoughts but on praying about it, God rebuked me and he corrected me by telling me I didn’t know what was taking place in the home. I did not say it to her because of Gods rebuke. This lady was ministering her dying husband in bed at night. They prayed together and she read the Bible to him nightly. He wanted God but the church didn’t know it because they did not see him attend services. He could not lift his head off the pillow let alone get out of bed to walk to the church. Are we falsely accusing others of what we don’t know? What would Jesus do? Have I been guilty of it? God has been talking to my heart about this subject. Any one else? I love you all and I know this has been a hard subject. I want to see through the eyes of God, not through my own. Peace and love to all. Please forgive me if I have offended you in some way.

    • Pamela: Wonderful, thought provoking questions for ALL of us to ponder. Excellent post, my dear, excellent post. Blessings….

  3. world net daily has an interesting article from the Boston Globe

    Survey: Evangelicals love Jews but feeling not mutual

  4. To All Protestants: The following was written by your hero, the father of Protestantism, Martin Luther. This is what he thought of Mary, the mother of our Savior.
    The above was written by Martin Luther, decades after he left the Catholic Church and just a few years before he died. Blessings…

    • Please do not put words in the mouths of other people. I have no idea who Luther is. I have read about him on here. I do not feel that way and I do not believe other Protestants do. I did a study about Mary by reading Matthew chapters 1-3 and Luke chapters 1-4. Mary is a temple of the Holy Spirit just as any person who receives the Holy Spirit. We are temples of the Lord Jesus Christ. As the Ark of the Covenant, any person with the Holy Spirit is an Ark of the Covenant. God promised it to all people. Mary was called and chosen just as we are called and chosen. She submitted herself to God just as any person who has received the Holy Spirit submitted to him. I believe she is an example of a person God chooses for his kingdom. All people chosen by God is the Bride of Christ. I understand the theology. Kings had numerous brides but only one was chosen as a Queen. The Queen was the one woman who had a son who was heir to the throne. Not all Queens ruled the roost. They had husbands who were Kings. Some were Queens because the King had died and the son who was heir to the throne was too young to rule. Some Queens took over the kingdom while the child was too young. Others over threw the throne because they wanted power and prestige. Some Kings were hard hearted men while the Queen had a gentler side. So men did go to the Queen with requests because they felt she would grant it more so than the hard hearted King would.The entire book of Esther would be an example of what you are talking about. I read the entire book. Esther was a Jewish woman who was made Queen when Vashti refused to do as the King asked. He took Vashti’s crown away from her and he gave it to Esther because Vashti disobeyed him. The other men in the kingdom did not want their women to become disobedient to their husbands. They believed the Queen was to be an example for the other wives. Esther heard her people were going to be destroyed and she went to the King to implore him to save all of their lives. There is a whole lot more to the stories about the Kings and Queens. Mary was a part of our salvation by allowing God to plant his seed inside her to save those who are willing to submit to him just as she did. Mary lived the Old Testament Bible until Jesus was born and he taught the New Testament. She offered 2 Turtle Doves to God when Jesus was born. I do know and understand the sacrifices of the Old and New Testaments. I also know Jesus was killed because he was considered a “Heretic.” Past Papal history also shows Popes have been accused of heresy for talking about this subject as well. Those heretic Popes were also considered infallible men, were they or were they not? So one infallible Pope has considered a previous infallible Pope to be a heretic. Both were considered infallible. How is that? Yet, Jesus, who was telling the truth was considered a heretic and the sentence for heresy is death. To say we do not understand the Eucharist because we do not understand the sacrifice. How so? If you can understand the sacrifice, why do you think we cannot or do not? A lot of Protestant churches take communion. The word Protestant means Protester against the Catholic church. Every time you use that word, you are saying we are all protesting the church. We are not protesting your church, we have questions about some of the practices that take place in the church. We are judged, condemned and sentenced to death if we do not conform to your church completely. And any person who wants to know about it, even a person who has only known about it one week, gets condemned and called names. It is because you have been hurt and now your anger is speaking out. I understand that. Peace.

      • Pamela: I know what Protestant means. I have heard “protesting” against my Faith for 3/4 of a century. When did I ever condemn or call you or anybody else names? I joined this forum for one purpose. To explain “real” Catholic doctrines and why Catholics believe them. If it offends you that I talk about my Faith with the belief that it is the Church that Jesus established 2000 yrs. ago, then that is your problem. Whether you believe it or not, makes no difference to me. That is between you and God. I have read so many falsehoods about the Catholic Church on this forum, that Jesus put it on my heart to reveal the truth about His Church. I have, several times extended the “olive branch” to you, yet you slap my hands away. Sooo, at this point, I will quote a very learned, humble and holy man. “I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will NEVER agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let”s be about showing the “love” of Jesus.” Do you not agree? I have found Jesus in my own way. I have never criticized or condemned the way you or anyone else have found Him. I have never criticized Irvin, although I do not agree with him on many things. But he is an “anointed” of God and I respect him and I would never say anything derogatory about him, even if there WAS anything derogatory about him. That would be a sin of “detraction” and true Catholics would not do that. Yet, I am criticized when I defend my Faith. Why is it so wrong for me to expect Protestants to give my Church and her leaders the same consideration? When I joined this forum, I thought it would be a nice christian site to “civilly” exchange knowledge of different doctrines. Please do not prove me wrong. Blessings…

  5. Jesus warned that the endtimes would be extremly deceptive and that even the elect, if it were possible, could be decieved. I suggest looking at these famous historians account of the primative church birthed by God for reliable info. It may suprize some to find that Peter knew nothing of catholicism and therefore was never a pope. Reading this Certified Apostolic History Outline will definately help
    all to be grounded in truth. Be blessed ! http://www.fulfilledprophecy.net/files/apostolichistory_1_.pdf

    • Dave: You are right. Peter did not call himself a “pope.” BUT it was common knowledge among the Apostles and new Christians that Peter was the leader of the Church. The title “pope” was not given to the “popes” until the Holy See was established in Rome. There the Italians gave the “pope” the title “pope.” They would call out to him, in Italian, the name that “meant” pope. Peter very much knew that the Church was “Catholic” because when Jesus established His Church, He gave the “keys to the kingdom of God” to Peter and when Jesus gave the “great commission” to His Apostles and Disciples, He told them to go and preach to all nations. All nations, is “universal.” The New Testament was written in Greek. The Greek word for “universal” is “katholikos.” So, therefore, from the beginning the new Christian Church was called the “katholikos ecclesia” – Catholic Church. The CC is the Church in Acts. They celebrated the “Breaking of the Bread” on the first day of the week. Acts 20:7. The Catholic Church, today, still “breaks bread” on the first day of the week the same way they “broke bread” in Acts. Same words, same worship, same celebration. The Church had its first council, called the Council of Jerusalem, presided over by Peter. James was the Bishop over the first Church in Jerusalem. It was Peter who appointed him to the See of Jerusalem. If you follow all the “councils” through Church history, you will see the growth of the Catholic Church through the centuries. Blessings…

      • David Price: Ooops, sorry. Before He ascended into heaven, it was Jesus Himself, that anointed James the Lesser over the Church of Jerusalem, not Peter. It was Peter who anointed Ignatius as Bishop of Antioch, over the 7 churches of Asia Minor, in the the latter half of the first century. Blessings…

    • Hi David, thank you for that piece of information. I have been researching what everyone is talking about about the Catholic church. I didn’t know anything about it 2 months ago. There seems to be some controversy about whether or not Mary is worshipped. I researched it today and I believe she is. The catechism 971 talks about the devotion to her and it lifts her up to the status of God and Jesus. this is a small part of the phrase:”This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration.”516 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an “epitome of the whole Gospel,” express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.” I have had to do a lot of word definitions. The definition of worship is this: wor•ship [wur-ship] Show IPA noun
      1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
      2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
      3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
      4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
      5. ( initial capital letter ) British . a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually preceded by Your, His, or Her ).
      I do now understand how so many people can be deceived by a lot of this. It sounds so familiar. We all believe we are the Bride of Christ and we will reign with him when he comes for us. That means all people the Lord decides to take with him. The Catholic church puts it in perspective in a singular form in the sense of Mary but they use her to say the same things. The Bible does say to claim those things that are not as though they are. That scripture may play a role in this. If that is true, then we all should be worshipped and praised right now and we should all be considered queens and kings right now. For someone to approach me and say Hail queen Pamela full of grace would be absurd to me. That is placing a human person in an uplifting position unbecoming. While Mary may be present with the Lord at this time, she is not to be worshipped, prayed to or praised. I am using my extremely large Strongs Concordance with Hebrew, Chaldea and Greek in it. I have not found anything in it about praising her, praying to her or an assumption of her body. I am presently researching queens and kings to see what all the to do is about her being queen of heaven. I could have easily been deceived by this if I had not known the word. I thank God for all the years of reading and studying the Bible. I am grateful to him for answering my prayer when I asked him to hide it away in my heart and to bring it back to my remembrance when I need it as well. When I was first saved, I did not know Gods word. I had one scripture memorized as a child. it dawned on me that the one person who knows Gods word is God. So I started asking him to tell me what he says. I went directly to him. I didn’t go to Mary or another apostle or anyone else. I went directly to him. The Bible says to “come boldly to the throne”. Hebrews 4:16King James Version (KJV)
      16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
      So I manned up and I went directly to him. I am grateful that I did because he has opened my eyes to his word. Anyone can go to him and do the same thing. Definition of devotion: de•vo•tion [dih-voh-shuhn] Show IPA noun
      1. profound dedication; consecration.
      2. earnest attachment to a cause, person, etc.
      3. an assignment or appropriation to any purpose, cause, etc.: the devotion of one’s wealth and time to scientific advancement.
      4. Often, devotions. Ecclesiastical . religious observance or worship; a form of prayer or worship for special use.
      Thank you for helping me in my research.

      • Pamela: Ask your stepfather if he or Catholics worship Mary. Below is a lengthy explanation from a reputable Catholic site regarding Mary. It is deep and very thought provoking. Hopefully, it will explain to you why Catholics “honor” her, not worship her.
        On Worshiping Mary and the Saints
        Posted By Brother-André Marie On July 24, 2009 @ 10:50 am In Apologetics,Articles | 4 Comments
        There is a Protestant gentleman who reads our web site at least occasionally. He has made his presence known by some comments posted on line, comments in which he makes no bones about his disagreement with key Catholic doctrines. Although I clearly believe that there are certain negative ramifications [1] to his objections and consequent aloofness from the true Church, I respect the fact that he voices his disagreements. Unlike the religiously indifferent majority of people, my Protestant friend is certainly not apathetic. (A sobering apocalyptic reference [2] to lukewarmness and vomit comes to mind.) And because he bothers to speak his mind, I have been able, I think, to offer him some food for thought.
        A comment he made recently, voicing a common Protestant objection, was to this effect: “You people are obsessed with Mary and Joseph; you don’t pay enough attention to Jesus.” I responded briefly that if he knew what the Mass is, he wouldn’t say that. What I would like to do in this article is to unpack the meaning of that statement somewhat.
        The words of the Curé of Ars I providentially came upon the other night provide me be a good start. Addressing himself to his fellow clerics, he said that the priest cannot fully understand the mystery of the Mass in this life, but must wait until the next, for, “If he understood while he was in this world, he would die, not of fear, but of love.” The august Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is so elevated an act of divine worship of the Blessed Trinity “through, with, and in” Christ, that nothing can compare to it. Nothing, that is, except the bloody Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross, of which the Mass is an unbloody
        The Holy Mass is, to quote Father Feeney [3], “God giving God to God.” Yet, at the same time, it is impossible without man — without, that is, the human nature of Jesus, for God as God cannot be sacrificed. And because the Sacred Humanity of the Man-God is present in the liturgical offering, our humanity, too, is drawn into this sublime act of Eucharistic homage. For He is our Head, we His members.
        Sacrifice is the central act of religion. Cain slew Abel in a jealous rage because Abel’s sacrifice was acceptable to God, while Cain’s was not. The first thing Noah did when he got off the Ark was to offer sacrifice to God. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob offered sacrifice, and so did Melchisedech, whose prefigurative oblation was bread and wine. And what can we say of the minutely regulated sacrifices of the Mosaic Law? The books of Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers go on page after page detailing the manifold sacrifices to be offered first in the Tabernacle, and then the Temple.
        Then, that Sacrifice of which all the antecedent ones were merely a faint foreshadowing was offered: the Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross. Protestants leave it at that. Jesus did it once; we can’t improve on that, so sacrifice is finished. But religion has not ended, and the central act of religion — sacrifice — is not over. The night before He shed His Precious Blood on the Cross, Jesus instituted a new rite, offering up His Body and Blood in sacrifice. He commanded His Apostles, “Do this for a commemoration of me” (Luke 22:19). In keeping with their notions of the Sunday Lord’s Supper being a mere memorial, Protestants frequently emphasize the word commemoration in that passage, but they forget this. What is this? It is what Jesus just did: mystically but truly offering Himself by changing bread and wine into Himself, to be offered in sacrifice.
        From the Upper Room, this awe-inspiring sacrifice has spread all over the world, in a wonderful variety of rites. Sacrifice continues; religion continues.
        And there’s the rub. Because Protestants know not the Mass, they see the worship we give to Mary and the saints on the same level as what they themselves give exclusively to God. In other words, when all you know how to do is give God second best, you will think it idolatry when you see others giving second best to God’s creatures.
        In a penetrating article entitled “Mary Worship,” [4] Orestes Brownson drives this point home with his characteristicly forceful logic:
        Protestants call the worship we pay to Our Lady, Mariolatry. [In the preceding section, this charge has been fully answered.] The peculiar distinctive external worship of God is the offering of sacrifice. Those who have rejected the sacrifice of the Mass have retained nothing more than we offer to Mary and the saints. Consequently they are unable to perceive any distinction between what they regard as the external worship of God, and that which we render to Him in His saints – that is, a worship of prayer and praise. But we have a sacrifice, and are therefore able to distinguish between the highest honor we render to His saints, and the supreme worship we render to Him…. never to any creature.
        The Protestant may speak of internal sacrifices, those of a broken heart, and of inward justice, but these are only sacrifices by way of analogy, and what should always accompany the sacrifice proper. If the Protestant tells us he has in the interior homage of contrition and real submission of himself a distinct and peculiar worship of God, we tell him, in return, that then he must not call the worship we render to Mary Mariolatry, because this homage and submission, in the sense he means, we never offer her. If he has something in this interior homage that pertains to supreme worship, the worship of latria, he must bear in mind that we do not offer it to the saints, and therefore our worship of them is not idolatry; if he has not something of this sort, then he does not himself offer any worship proper to God, external or internal, and he therefore has in no sense any worship to offer to God of a higher order than that which we offer to Mary and the saints.
        The Church has a consecrated language by which we distinguish between different kinds of worship offered to God and the saints. Brownson has just invoked it. The WikiPedia article “Latria” [5] gives us a fair summary:
        Latria is sacrificial in character, and may be offered only to God. Catholics offer other degrees of reverence to the Blessed Virgin Mary and to the Saints; these non-sacrificial types of reverence are called Hyperdulia and Dulia, respectively. Hyperdulia is essentially a heightened degree of dulia provided only to the Blessed Virgin. This distinction, written about as early as Augustine of Hippo and St Jerome, was detailed more explicitly by Thomas Aquinas in his Summa Theologiae, A.D. 1270, II II, 84, 1: “Reverence is due to God on account of His Excellence, which is communicated to certain creatures not in equal measure, but according to a measure of proportion; and so the reverence which we pay to God, and which belongs to latria, differs from the reverence which we pay to certain excellent creatures; this belongs to dulia, and we shall speak of it further on (II II 103 3)”; in this next article St. Thomas Aquinas writes: “Wherefore dulia, which pays due service to a human lord, is a distinct virtue from latria, which pays due service to the Lordship of God. It is, moreover, a species of observance, because by observance we honor all those who excel in dignity, while dulia properly speaking is the reverence of servants for their master, dulia being the Greek for servitude.” From St. Thomas it is apparent that a clear distinction exists among latria and forms of dulia within Catholic theology.
        With these distinctions now firmly in place, we can speak of devotion to Mary, Saint Joseph, and the other saints and angels. The reverence they are shown is based on their being honored members of Christ’s Mystical Body. (To appreciate devotion to the saints more, I recommend reading two articles on this site: What a Saint Is [6], by Father Leonard, and my own apologetical piece, Praying to the Saints [7].)
        Saint Paul says “honor to whom honor is due” (cf. Rom. 13:7). We honor our fellow creatures who have been divinized and who now dwell in “light inaccessible” (1 Tim. 6:16) with the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is because they have been deified [8] to such a degree that they are worthy of honor.
        We can illustrate this honor by a reference to the Byzantine Divine Liturgy, one of the “wonderful variety of rites” I mentioned earlier. Before the Divine Liturgy proper there is the Preparation [9]. Part of this ritual is an elaborate cutting of the unconsecrated leavened bread used for the Eucharist by our Eastern Christian brethren. Pieces of bread are carefully cut and placed on the discos, the paten or communion plate used in that beautiful liturgy. Particles representing the Mother of God, the nine choirs of angels, the apostles, and many other saints are carefully ordered around the “Lamb,” the larger bread which signifies Christ Himself. It is a symbol of the Mystical Body whereby we are all united to Christ in “one bread, one body” (1 Cor. 10:17). At the terrible moment of consecration, all these pieces representing the saints give up the nature of bread to take on a new substance, the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. The sublime theology of the Mystical Body, shared by the Eastern Fathers and Occidentals like Saint Augustine, is thus ritually expressed.
        The Mass both symbolizes and effects our holiness in Christ. In it, Christ, through the ministry of the priest, offers to the Father, through the Holy Ghost, perfect adoration, thanksgiving, reparation, and supplication. And we who are baptized into the “royal priesthood” (1 Pet. 2:9) are privileged to assist at this dread spectacle. No creature receives such honor as God receives in the Mass.
        But those who are closest to God are certainly entitled to “second best.”

  6. I haven’t read this entire thread, but what I have fascinates me. The fact is that we are interpretating scripture. Only God can reveal these mysteries to the hearts of believers by his Holy Spirit. When we look at the book of Revelation perhaps it is wise to let it stand on its on own, becuase God can use it to reveal a multide of truth across all of human history. I have found that false doctrines come in when we try to interpret scripture, declaring that ‘this means that and that means this’ when God himself declared it a mystery. While not denying the possibilty of some interpretion having some validity, the only thing we know for fact when it comes to prophesy, is what the Bible actually says.

  7. I am a visitor and found myself amazed at the generosity of some of you toward Catholics. I thank many of you for acknowledging that Catholics are Christians. But I would remind the writer of the website that the Church is in the Vatican, separate from Rome. “Babylon” was used as code for pagan Rome in Revelation, although some would argue it is Jerusalem. The term “Whore” almost always referred to the Jews when they had abandoned God. I am saddened by the demonization of the Catholic Church, but encouraged by the diverse opinions I find here. Thanks!

    • That’s why Revelation refers to Babylon as a Mystery. Babylon has been used to refer to Iraq and their empire in OT, it’s refers to Rome, but the Whore of Babylon is a Mystery why cause this is a religion that’s system rules over kings and nations of people. Many have fornicated with her. I don’t know if you are aware but there is 1.3 million Christians, and 60% is Catholic. She was made drunk by the blood of the Saints, not that Vatican City was part of this in the past but could be in the future. Mystery is something that isn’t revealed, there are many choices that could be Mystery Babylon, but do research and only one actually lines up. Vatican, Jerusalem, Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Take a choice but their is only one that has a golden cup in their hand that is decked in gold, wrapped in Scarlet-Red might I mention is the color of the Cardinals, and Purple the color of the Bishops. But what ever you do, Judge not by appearance but a rightful judgement John 24:7, seek it out.

      • It is Jerusalem. Read all of Chapter 16 of Ezekiel. Jerusalem committed fornication by worshiping idols, not Catholicism. Catholics are monarchists. We have one King. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Israel denies Christ, not Catholicism. Islam denies Christ, not Catholicism. So ask yourself, what is the false religion. It sure “ain’t” Catholicism. Lose the biased eyes and see the truth. The Vatican is a religious entity, not a political one. The Vatican is the headquarters of the Church, not a government over any city, state or country. The Vatican is a State in Italy. It is not even in Rome. It sits on Vatican Hill across the Tiber River from Rome. Rome does sit on 7 hills. The Vatican does not. Jerusalem sits on 7 mountains. Learn more, judge less. Blessings…

  8. Hi..Jerusalem is the Harlot Babylon not Rome. Rome gets destroyed during WW III Jihad. After the war Jerusalem get a face lift for 3 1/2 yrs by the New U.N. that forms. England Russia Germany France Italy Spain and India. The seven headed beast.

  9. I would be interested in anyone’s thoughts on the planned Satanic Service at the tax payer owned Oklahoma Civic Center.

    A similar Satanic Service was planned for liberal Harvard in Massachusetts, but the public outcry in Massachusetts shut it down.

    Is Oklahoma more liberal than Massachusetts?

  10. I left the Catholic Church for a zillion overwhelming reasons, even before it was disgraced by rampant pedophilia and the disgusting coverup. Christianity is a relationship. Not a religion. Not rules but freedom. Good news, not ritual. Love not law. If you accept Jesus as your savior, you are Christian. All believers are The Church — Catholic, Protestant, even just two agreeing over anything over coffee. Remember, the German Protestant church was a friend to Hitler and plenty of evangelical Christians spew lies and hate about our Christian President. Forgive us all Lord… We clearly don’t know what we are doing. Grace. Grace. And come soon…

    • My step father has been a devout Catholic for 88 years. He makes some of the same statements you do. He says “anyone with the Bible has the truth in their possession. Any minister who teaches it can teach the truth. There are those who misinterpret it but there are those who has correct interpretation. The Pope can misinterpret the Bible just as any other minister can. “He says “no “One” church has the right to stake the claim to be the only church with the truth.” He says: “the Pope does not have the right to claim he is the only person who can interpret the Bible and they should never rewrite the Bible or to add or take away from it. No one has the right to play God or to play with a soul. I saw too many men die while I was in the Navy in WWII and those men had souls. No one has the right to play with a soul.” He said “no one should be considered a hater of the church simply because they do not know about it and they are trying to learn.” He said he has attended a lot of Catholic churches over the years because he did travel on his job and none of them taught to go to Mary for prayer. It is not Biblical. I don’t know the names of the Catholic churches he attended but apparently not all of them teach the same things. Lots of love to all.

      • Hi Pamela: How’s your stepfather doing? He is in my prayers everyday. Catholic doctrine is Catholic doctrine. If one is teaching the true Catholic teachings, it is the same doctrine that has been taught everywhere since the birth of the Church at Pentecost. I am not saying that there are not “rogues” that will teach something different. If they are not teaching true Catholic doctrine, they can very much be “defrocked” if they are discovered. To teach a different doctrine than the true doctrine means instant excommunication for the Pastor/priest doing so. Protestants have different churches also. They do not all teach the same doctrines because they do not all HAVE the same doctrines. If all priests were to stay true to TRUE Catholic teachings, all Churches would be teaching the same doctrines. There are “rogues” in ALL faiths. I, myself, have been to a Catholic church and heard a Pastor deviate from the true doctrine. I called him on it and when he would not change, I left that Church and reported him to the arch-diocese. Needless to say, he was relieved of his assignment and defrocked. That’s why it is unacceptable for Catholics to not know the Bible and their Faith because they will easily be deceived. Satan works in all faiths, and sorry to say, Satan works the hardest in the Catholic Church because he knows that it is the Church Jesus established. I’m surprised that people do not catch on to that. Satan will work the hardest to try and destroy the true Church. It’s a feather in his cap every time he gets a Catholic to leave the Church. He will FAIL because Jesus promised that the “gates of hell would not prevail against His Church.” People may leave the Church but the Church will stand forever. If anyone is truly looking for the “false religion,” I would suggest looking for a NON-CHRISTIAN faith. Islam, Jews, Jehoveh’s witnesses, Budahism, Atheists, Secularism, etc. Any faith that does not teach that Jesus is the One and only Savior of the world. Any faith that does NOT teach that we are ONLY saved by the Blood of the Lamb. Blessings…

  11. Given all the comments, it seems the word “mystery” is apropos. Maybe the great mystery is hidden in a simple answer. Babylon is Babylon. 59 miles from Bagdad. Perhaps events will continue to unfold there in mysterious ways. Until 1948, the restoration of Jerusalem was considered symbolic and not actual. My 2 cents.

  12. Dear Brothers & Sisters in Christ: I was reading through one of my theology books, “The 33 Doctors of the Church” and I found these two quotes by St. Agustine (354-430 AD) I already knew of them and I thought you all might like them too. They are as follows: “To seek God is the greatest adventure, to find Him is the greatest human achievement and to fall in love with Him is the greatest of all romances.” The other one St. Augustine said is: “Great art Thou, O Lord, and greatly to be praised…Thou hast made us for Thyself, O Lord, and our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee.” Before Augustine found God and converted to Catholicism, he led a very “shady” life. Now he’s called the “Doctor of Grace & the Doctor of Doctors.” Blessings…

  13. I tend to disagree with this article. I do not believe that the Roman Catholic church is the “false church” described in the Word. In the study I have done I have found contained in Strong’s concordance there are two “definitions” of Babylon, one in the Old Testament and one in the new. In the Old Testament Babylon simply referred to the ancient city in which the people decided they would “make for themselves” a name. (Pride and Rebellion) in the New Testament (Greek) Strong’s adds “one who usurps or illegally grasps power, a cruel and oppressive government.” This area geographically, is originally the land of the Chaldeans, those of the Southern portion of the ancient Babylonian Empire. The Interpreters Bible Dictionary states that during the final phase of their history several went out into the world as astrologers, magicians, diviners all of which was forbidden by God. Rev. 18:23 states (In part) For by thy sorceries all nations were deceived. We are seeing everyday in the news of those who confess Jesus as Lord and profess to be Christians being tortured and killed by the Islamic brotherhood. Daughters being killed for marrying outside of the Faith. And not for just Christianity but simply for not remaining “loyal” to their beliefs. (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/27/pregnant-pakistani-woman-stoned-to-death) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-15688354 (A group of armed men have stoned and shot dead a woman and her daughter in Afghanistan’s Ghazni province, security officials have told the BBC.) This is clearly NOT the love of God in action but the opposite (antichrist) spirit.

  14. JohntheB, I commend you for wanting to dialogue with civility and respect about Catholicism and Christianity. I do, however, respectfully disagree with your statement that, “Catholics are Christians” with exception. I believe that there are Christians who are caught in the Catholic system, and who are being misled by Catholic doctrine. I believe that the Holy Spirit will guide by the Truth if His Word many of those who profess Christ as their savior and repent of their sins who are a part of the Catholic system. God’s grace will lead those who thirst for the Truth by faith in His Word. However, Catholicism and Biblical Christianity are not the same religion. I pray that you will study God’s Word and compare that to the Catholic doctrines as stated by the Council of Trent as well as the decrees of Vatican 1 and Vatican 2. By doing so, there will be indisputable proof of the differences between what the Catholic church teaches and what our Lord taught. May you and your family be blessed, and please let me know if you would like to discuss further.


    • Hi Daniel,

      I have read Council of Trent and Vatican I and Vatican II and all line up perfectly with scripture. Peter is given distinct leadership from the other apostles. The apostles were given clear authority to speak for Jesus (Luke 10:16 and Matthew 16 and Matthew 18) and to bind and loose which would include sins and doctrines. The Pope and all bishops with valid ordinations are successors to Peter and the apostles through the gift of the laying of hands (1 Timothy 4:14). This is easily demonstrated in the writings of the apostolic fathers including Clement, Polycarp, Ignatius, Irenaeus etc. Bible only Christians like you are well meaning and because of sincere prayer and surrender to Jesus the Holy Spirit can work. However, Jesus wants us to be united (John 17). Paul demanded unity in doctrine, organization and worship. Bible Only Christians are divided because scripture needs to be interpreted. Please keep studying the Bible and you will see that there is no conflict.

      • When the Holy Spirit is moving in our churches, there is no disorganization, no separation, there is unity. Jesus takes charge of the services and all people come together with one accord. Catholics do not have that. The laying on of hands has no meaning if the Holy Spirit is not present. Jesus interprets scriptures to us in different ways. We have ministers he has anointed for interpretation of his word and he gives us personal interpretations of his word. Those interpretations will be confirmed by the minister on the pulpit. So we do receive interpretation of the word of God. “God is no respecter of persons. Romans 2:11 King James Version (KJV) 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. ” He “chose the foolishness of preaching” to teach us. 1st Corinthians 1:21, “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.” I watched a Mass last Sunday. It was dull, dry, boring, and nothing more than a ritual. I did not see the Holy Spirit in it anywhere. The Holy Spirit is happy, full of life, uplifting, exciting, loving, and so much more. I didn’t see any of that in that service.

      • I’m sorry that you misunderstood John 20:21-23. Let me help you understand what our Lord Jesus was instructing the disciples to do. He was tell them that after they received the Holy Ghost (Acts chapter 2), That they were to remit peoples sins (Acts 2:38) by baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and if you don’t do this their sins are retained (or remain). I hope this clears up any misunderstanding about the message of Jesus to his followers. It’s still the same today no matter what men teach contrary to the Bible!

    • does this site believe that Catholics are not Christians, the daily chat room, has decided that Catholics are not Christians

      • Why not? Catholics believe in Jesus, the Son of the living God, Who died for our sins and was resurrected that we too may live. I’d like to know how that isn’t Christian.

      • Of course there were! the book of Acts tells us 3000 where added on the very day of Pentecost. The fact that there are Christians today shows the faith never died out.

      • I feel the true church are those who are born of the water and the Spirit. John 3:3,5. I personally don’t acknowledge any “denominations. There are just too many of them and Deuteronomy 6:4 tells us there is One God. Jesus said I and my Father are one. Jesus is God who manifested Himself in the flesh to bring us salvation by dying for us on the cross while we were “yet in our sins.” That is why we must be baptized in Jesus’ Name for the remission of sins and then we will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. God bless all of you.

      • To johntheB – to get a good answer to your question, “Is there a true and pure denomination ?” – see Irvin Baxter’s DVD ” True vs False Christianity”. It is in his 4 ea., 1hr. each DVD “Salvation Package” or individualy at $20, or as a download for $14.99 and you can be veiwing it within a few minutes. He speaks with more urgency on this DVD than he does in any of his others.

          • I for one don’t believe I need to confess my sins to a guy to take them to God, when Jesus died on a cross for my sins. Jesus is the only one that needs to hear my confession of sins, not my pastor, not another minster, not a evangelist, and definitely no pope or priest. Jesus is the chief cornerstone. Jesus is the only one who died for my sins by his blood I’m saved. He became the mediator between men and God. Mystery Babylon will play out, but right now we need to turn people to the truth. Jesus is the way, truth and light, he’s the only way to heaven, not the Pope, but Jesus

  15. I am not trying to offend anyone but I just wanted to comment about an experience my family and I went through in 2011. My oldest daughter became very ill on June 2011. Little did we know that it would be a life changing experience for us. She was taken to the nearest hospital which happened to be run by catholic priests and nuns. I really didn’t think much of it at first but as the days turned into months I began to see a change in their attitude towards us. My daughters condition grew worse and they suggested we disconnect her from the oxygen. I said I wanted to wait and would like the chance to pray before I make any decisions. On that same day I was then approached by a catholic priest. He began to explain to us that Jesus does not heal anymore because that was only for the people back then. He then challenged me, he requested I bring my entire church and meet him in the catholic prayer room located in the hospital. We would then call everyone including the doctors and we would pray to see if God would heal and raise my daughter up. He even went as far as to set an appointment for the next morning. While we were having the conversation I noticed that he looked extremely angry when ever I mentioned Jesus or quoted scripture. I felt very confused and prayed that God would show us what to do. That same night the lord gave me a dream and showed me a creature that was crawling on the wall in my daughters room. The creature was liken none other I have ever seen, it’s face was like a mouse, it’s body was shiny with scales and it had a long tail like a dragon. I was afraid of it so I yelled for my older sister and she killed it. When I looked at it I saw there were many more like it living in its tail. She then said to me, “Be careful don’t let it bite you on your feet or you will be infected.” I then asked her, “what was it?” I immediately heard a voice from heaven say, “It is the black dragon speaking blasphemies of God.” I then realized that the catholic church is the black dragon that speaks blasphemies of God.

    This may not be the case for every catholic. I know there are some who are honestly trying to have a relationship with Jesus Christ but the majority of them are turning away from God.

    • I can assure you that not all priests believe that Jesus stopped doing miracles, we have healing Masses and I have witnessed miracles in our church (Catholic). People can be good or bad everywhere, it doesn’t make Christianity bad.

      • Please forgive my mood. I have some questions. Who are you claiming does the healings? Mary? Pope Francis was shot and lived. He went to a statue of Mary and he told her thank you for healing him. Mary had nothing to do with it. Jesus heals. Why was he thanking Mary? and not going directly to Jesus? Because Catholics believe dead Saints can heal them or so I have heard. I’m not trying to show any disrespect. It doesn’t make sense to me that dead Saints heal. Jesus does heal but he should be the one receiving the thank you, not Mary. So I was wondering who does what? I am thankful you are receiving healings.

        • Pamela: Jesus and only Jesus does the healings. Not Mary, not the Saints, not you and not me. If you truly understood the Bible, you would know that praying to Mary and the Saints “IS” praying to Jesus. The Bible tells us so. In Baptism, we become “one” with Christ. When we pray to Mary, we are praying to Jesus. When we pray to the Saints, (men and women who were martyred for Christ) we are praying to Jesus. It is very Biblical. I do not believe there will be the “unity” that Jesus prayed for in the garden the night before He died because Protestants just cannot grasp the “theology” the Bible reveals to them. Unlike Catholics, they skip along over the surface of the Bible, reading words of dos and don’ts and really do not grasp the true mysteries that the Bible reveals. Hopefully, one day they will before the return of Jesus. The unity will only come when Jesus returns. At that time, everyone will know the truth and it is not going to be the Catholics that will be disappointed. Catholicism is not for everyone. Although, it should be. But there is no reason to be insulting to the Catholics that post on this forum. I do not see Catholics insulting Protestants. Catholics always have looked upon Protestants as our “separated brothers and sisters” and we pray for their “return home.” Jesus said “we will only enter the kingdom of God through the narrow path.” Because Protestants have been taught all kinds of misconceptions about the RCC, they will never know the intimacy with Jesus that they have rejected until it’s too late. Catholics are monarchists. We have one King. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Whether Protestants want to believe that or not is between them and God. Jesus said “unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have “no life in you.” The only place you will find the “real presence” of Jesus is in the RCC and the Orthodox Church, the Church He established 2000 yrs. ago. He proclaimed that Himself, but Protestants refuse to listen or obey Him. Even Martin Luther (the father of Protestantism) knew that. Protestants have come so far away from Luther’s Protestant teachings that I believe they are wandering around in a desert. There is only one truth and thousands of different denominations who teach different doctrines, all cannot have the truth. Different doctrines in different churches is not the truth. Catholic doctrines have never changed from the moment it was begun. It teaches Jesus’ word, handed down through the Apostles by the “laying on of hands.” An “unbroken” line of Christ’s teachings. Protestants cannot proclaim that. The Holy Spirit is the God of “TRUTH,” not a god of confusion. Jesus promised that “He would be with us always.” What do you think He meant by that? He is with us, His “real presence” everyday, every hour, every minute, in the Tabernacle, in the Catholic Church. Blessings…

    • My daughter lost her battle with her illness a few weeks later but that experience is one I will never forget. A few weeks later I was washing dishes in the kitchen and I remembered that dream and I asked God, why did the creature have a face like a mouse? And I know I heard my Lord answer me clear as day. He said, “meek as a mouse.” I thought to myself, I’ve heard that saying before so I looked it up and almost fell to the floor. The meaning of meek is patient, long-suffering, or submissive in disposition or nature; humble and quiet, willing to be taught or led or supervised or directed. If you look at the pope or any catholic priest you can see that he seems to possess these qualities but at the same time they blasphemy the name of God.


  16. Jesus wants a relationship with us, he did not come to start a denomination. Peter the first Pope? Really??? Paul was more a hero of faith than Peter… You can’t just cherry pick verses of scripture. Let scripture interpret scripture. Peter wasn’t the rock, Jesus is the rock. Jesus is the foundation, not a denomination…..Stick to the one who can save, and all will be well!

  17. I would strongly recommend that you watch dumitru Duduman’s prophecy he received from God. America is Babylon!

  18. daveS: Would you like to correspond on our private e-mail accounts? Of course I will trust you to not reveal my e-mail address to anyone and I promise I won’t reveal yours. If so I will ask one of the staffers to give you my e-mail address. Sometimes our responses cross and it is confusing. Sometimes my comment isn’t posted. If we were to correspond that way, I think it would be a lot faster. Sometimes we respond to a post that does not have current info which results in misconceptions. What do you think? I can give you my address or you can give me yours. I am really enjoying our discussions but I don’t want any misunderstandings because of not getting responses soon enough. Blessings…

    • I enjoy the comments at this site, the conversation is usually polite and civil,

      I hope that the comments in the daily chat room remain civil. I do find comments against Christians and Catholics distressing.

  19. We must love Jesus and each other. We know nothing. We don’t even know how to live. Without God nothing is possible, and with him anything is possible. Pray constantly. Don’t boast. Follow Jesus with all our hearts. Give. With all our hearts. His children are the church that will inherit the kingdom of God.

  20. On this Memorial Day, I would like to thank all vets and active duty patriots for your service. I would not be able to live the life that I have now if it weren’t for all of your sacrifices. Again, from the bottom of my heart, thank you and God bless you all. Blessings…

  21. Hi All: There’s no denying the fact that the city of Rome IS famous for its 7 hills. Neverthless, as we’ll see, this argument doesn’t pan out.

    To begin with, it makes a huge and unfounded leap. 1st, the GREEK word used in Rev. 17:9 is “ORE” (from oros), and in Scripture, “oros” usually means mountain. The main fact that stands out is that most of these hills are so gentle that they barely qualify as “hills.” They’re certainly not mountains. You are all making “a mountain out of an Italian mole hill.”

    The mountains (memtioned in Rev. 17) do not even need to be literal, since mountains are common symbols in the Bible. A mountain may symbolize a “kingdom.” In Dan. 2:35 Christ’s kingdom is seen as a mountain. In Ps. 68:15 the kingdom of Bashan is pictured as a mountain. In Obadiah 8-21, the kingdom of Edom is likened to a mountain. In Amos 4:1 and 6:1, the kingdom of Samaria is pictured as a mountain. The “7 mountains” of the “whore” can be “7 kingdoms” she reins over or 7 kingdoms with which she has something in common. The “7 mountains” in Rev. 17:9 could symbolize that the “whore” reigns over all the kingdoms of the earth. The Catholic Church doesn’t “reign” over anyone or anything except the “kingdom of God” which Jesus said “is not of this world.”

    2nd, Scripture correctly identifies the “whore of Babylon” as a city (Rev. 17:18). Next, it identifies the city with Rome – again, a reasonable (if not sure) assumption. The problem comes in when we jump from the city of Rome to the “religion” of Catholicism. The 7 hills that sit snug inside Rome’s city walls are :Quirinal, Aventine, Palatine, Capitoline, Caelian, Esquiline and Viminal. The “hill” that the Vatican sits on is “Vatican Hill” which, by the way, is across the Tiber River. It is not even in Rome. Besides, the Vatican is NOT even a city, it is a “STATE” in Italy with its own laws and law force. The “whore of Babylon” in Rev. 17:18 is clearly a city, NOT a state. We can’t mix and match biblical symbols to make them fit our own particular interpretative system; that does violence to the text. And, of course, even this last claim still fails to account for the leap from a city to a “religion” (which the identification of Catholicism with the whore of Babylon must make, for it to work.) Both Catholic AND Protestant scholars have leaned towards identifying Jerusalem with the “whore” as opposed to Rome. She sits on “7 mountains” and that is the city that killed our saints and prophets and CRUCIFIED OUR SAVIOR. Blessings…

    • JoAnn,

      I appreciate your view regarding the article’s thesis concerning Rome (the city) and its relation to Roman Catholicism (the religion). I am also thankful to the Lord for the opportunity to engage you in conversation about your views on Catholicism vs. Biblical Christianity. The reason I use the term, “Biblical Christianity” is because I am a non-denominational Christian (follower of Jesus Christ), and I believe that scripture is God’s breathed Word of Truth as revealed by the Holy Spirit. As a former Catholic who was raised through the process of the sacraments, I can also speak with knowledge of Catholic theology. Nevertheless; the most important thing I can say to everyone who privileges me with their time to discuss the Gospel is that everything I say is out of love, humility, respect, and above all else, honor for Jesus Christ our Lord. You stated various points in your post that I would like to consider one-by one, so forgive me for quoting your writing.

      Firstly, I agree that the Greek word used for “Hill” is, “Oros”, which can also be used to describe mountains as you stated it had been in other parts of Scripture. However; the word, “Oros” was also used to describe “the hill districts as distinct from the lowlands, especially of the hills above the Sea of Galilee (e.g. MT 5:1, 8:1, 18:12, and Mark 5:5). The angel in Revelation 17 is revealing the mystery of the vision given to John regarding the great prostitute and the beast. It does not make sense for the angel to speak symbolically further by intending the word, “Oros” to be anything other than a literal mountain, or hill in this context. Therefore, Oros was used to describe the seven hills associated with what is most likely the city of Rome. You also stated that it could be possible that, “The 7 mountains in Rev. 17:9 could symbolize that the “whore” reigns over all the kingdoms of the earth.” This also is incorrect with this particular verse because in 17:6 the angel says, “Why do you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns that carries her..” The beast he mentions has 7 heads, not the woman. The woman is seated on the seven heads which are the seven mountains (hills) on which the woman sits (Rev 17:9). So the beast (the political/religious system at the end times) supports the harlot and they together exert vast influence over the whole earth.

      Not trying to split hairs here either, but the Vatican is officially a sovereign city-state (in the modern era. It announced its independence from Italy in February 1929; and although it is separated from the city of Rome by the Tiber River, the area was an outcrop of the city protected by being included within the walls of Leo IV, and later expanded by the current walls built by Paul III, Pius IV, and Urban VIII (1534 to 1644).

      Your point about leaping from city to religion by identifying Catholicism with the whore of Babylon neglects the fact that its not just the whore of Babylon but also the Beast upon which she sits which makes the connection between the mystery Babylon and the Roman Catholic Church. Which Catholic and Protestant scholars identified Jerusalem with the whore revealed in Revelation 17? Do you know their reasoning for that belief?

      Lastly, Pontius Pilate and the Romans also had a hand in the Crucifixion of our Lord and Savior. I hope this did not offend you. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss this with you further. (also please forgive me for any grammatical errors as I have a 2 year old screaming in my ear while I am writing this. :)

      In His name,


      • Hi Daniel. Thank you for your interest in my comments and if the moderators will permit, I would like to respond to you. Before we continue this discussion, I would like to ask you to read all of Chapter 16 in Ezekiel. And, I would like to remind you that Rome was never called a harlot or sodom or Egypt. Yes it was called Babylon because Rome was pagan and Rome was persecuting and killing Christians. It was Jerusalem that is called the harlot, sodom and Egypt and a “faithless spouse.” Why would it offend me that the “pagan” elites had a hand in the crucifixion. They had nothing to do with the Catholic Church. BUT, technically we ALL (you and me also) had a hand in Christ’s sacrifice. It was the only way to reconcile us to God. It’s amusing that you think that Catholics and Biblical Christianity is opposite of each other. Who do you think wrote the NT? AND who do you think “gave” the Bible to the world? It was the Catholic Church. The same Church that is referred to in Acts. There is nothing in the Bible that contradicts Catholic teachings and there is nothing in Catholic teachings that contradicts the Bible. It was Pope Damasus I, in the latter part of the 4th century, and the Fathers and Doctors of the Catholic Church who determined what manuscripts of the OT and the NT were truly inspired by the Holy Spirit and it was they that assembled the “Canon of the Bible.” The Catholic Church teaches and believes every single word in the Bible. Yes, the same Bible that you read and study from to this day. The only difference is that your Bible is missing 7 books in the OT that were originally in the Bible when it was first assembled. Martin Luther removed them when he was excommunicated from the Church. It was Luther that started teaching Bible alone and Faith alone. Both, of which, are NOT Biblical. The Catholic Bible still has those 7 books in the OT. But I’ll stop for now to give you a chance to read Ezekiel, Chap. 16, then we can continue, if you like. Blessings…

  22. Greetings, As far as biometric marking is concerned… I served as a missionary in Lesotho Africa for several years. To date there are more than 7000 villages in that country alone that do not participate in commerce other than the Barter system. It is very mountainous and non of the villages is easily reached.

    As far as living in the end times it would be obvious since we are closer now than ever before.

    I would caution one thing which is that God deals with the entire world whereas we usually view the prevalence of sin only from our country. Don’t forget the Muslim world which in my opinion could scarcely be more sinful. In addition don’t forget that the world since the fall has always been exceedingly wicked. We are to be rescuing the perishing and caring for the dying, certainly not enumerating their sins. ” For all have sinned” is sufficient. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes unto the father but by Him. I humbly suggest we not be too put off by people’s sins for that is what sinners do but focus our efforts explaining how to get out of the hole and miss Hell.

  23. Caleb Wyatt: Thank you for your comments. I didn’t think you judgemental at all. In fact, I agree with a lot of what you say. The RCC, the first Christian Church established by Jesus, has taken many pagan holidays for the purpose of “CONVERTING” pagans from their idols. I don’t know why people can’t see that? Maybe it’s their bias against the Church. You can include Christmas in that too. In its infancy and still even today, the RCC has and is fighting heresies and one way they did it was by taking those pagan holidays and turning the pagans towards the only “true” God. There is no pagan worship in the RCC and never has been. Study of church history will reveal to you that the RCC is ALL ABOUT JESUS. The Mass that we celebrate is all about Jesus and no other. It is the same Mass that was celebrated in Acts 20:7. They called in the “Breaking of the Bread.” Jesus is the Lord and Savior of all and there is no other. He has been my Hero for over 70 yrs. now. Ever since I became a Catholic. I have studied many faiths and I know that the RCC has the fullness of Truth. Nowhere can you go to find the “real presence of Jesus” other than the RCC and the Orthodox Church. Paul even talks about it in Corinthians. He emphasizes the “real presence” by preaching that anyone who partakes in the Body and bBood of Christ “unworthily” brings condemnation on themselves. And Jesus Himself tells us that “if we do not eat His Body and drink His Blood, WE HAVE NO LIFE IN US.” Yes, I judge America for its atrocious acts. American was founded on Judeo/Christian values and principles. We should know better. Other countries were not. Revelation talkes about a “false religion.” With all the false religions on this planet who do not accept Jesus’ divinity or His salvation from His shed Blood, why do people pick on the RCC, the religion that is all about Christ? Caleb, when Jesus established His Church (not churches) He promised that the Holy Spirit would guide and protect her from ALL ERRORS. He promised that the “gates of Hell would not prevail against Her.” He gave the “keys to the kingdom” to Peter. Jesus was very specific. Jesus told His diciples, the RCC that “whoever hears you, hears Me, and whoever rejects you, rejects Me and whoever rejects Me, rejects the One Who sent Me.” Jesus prayed in the garden the night before He died, “that we would all be one.” Do you think He had in mind over 30,000 denominations, mostly all contradicting each other? The Holy Spirit is a God of “Truth,” not confusion No. Jesus wanted His Church to be UNIVERSAL. We know that because He told His diciples to “go and teach ALL NATIONS.” That’s a Universal Church. The NT was written in Greek. The word for “Universal” is “Katholikos (Catholic.) Jesus’s Church is the “Katholikos Ekklesia.” Why doesn’t anyone believe Jesus? The RCC is the Church Jesus established 2000 yrs. ago and remained that way for 16 centuries until Protestantism was born with Martin Luther. Now, are you going to believe a Man-made faith or the Faith that Jesus established? It should be a no-brainer. Martin Luther established Protestantism on two false teachings. Bible alone and Scripture alone of which, neither are Biblical. That is why he was excommunicated. He was teaching unbiblical doctrines. Any Church history or biography of Luther will verify that. Luther took the Bible, the very same Bible given to the world by the Catholic Church, and removed books and added the words “faith alone.” You know what the Bible teaches about adding and taking away from the ‘WORD OF GOD.” The Catholic Bible is the same today as it was the day it was given to us by Pope Damasus I and Fathers and Doctors of the Church in the latter part of the 4th century. Yes, Caleb, “as long as we hold Jesus in our hearts and pursue God, our names will be written in the Book of Life.” I agree 100% Many will be deceived and many have been deceived and many will continue to be deceived. I am not worried for myself. I have the “real presence of Jesus in the Blessed Eucharist” (the Lamb’s Supper) that I can receive everyday. I believe every word that Jesus said. Do you? Blessings…

  24. …one last thing. The video to look for, on her YouTube Page, is “Mystery Babylon The Great, Revealed”. There are 4 parts to this series…

  25. Hello All, I recently watched a YouTube video series that made an extremely compelling case for Mecca being Mystery Babylon. The video series also explains that the “Seat” of the anti-Christ is in Istanbul Turkey. They contend that satan never left Turkey, but only he moved from the Garden of Eden to Istanbul.
    It further shows that the Turkish President has wanted to restore the Ottoman Empire to it’s original state, which of course had it’s capital in “Constantinople” where the Roman Empire had existed until it’s overthrow by the Ottoman Empire.
    It then goes on to say that Turkey has the authority and geographic location to set up the grounds for a 7 year Peace Treaty between the Palestinians and Israel. Likewise they will bring Russia in to support the Treaty and create stability in the entire region; since Russia has interests in the region.
    Next, it reveals how Babylon will be destroyed as a result of the Shiite Muslims venomous hatred toward the Suni Muslims in Saudi Arabia (Mecca), for their constant “Prostituting” itself through the business dealings with the enemies of islam; i.e., All countries trading their goods and services for oil.
    The YouTube site is “http://www.youtube.com/user/revmichellehopkins”
    I’ve only just found this site, and I’ve seen some amazing videos and revelation that she has uncovered.
    I’ve listened to Pastor Baxter for years now, and believe that he has been the main influence in my understanding of the end of the age, so I hope everyone understands that I don’t mean to challenge his beliefs; but instead I want to make sure we all have our ideas shared so we can all pray for confirmation on these revelations.
    God Bless us all with great Peace, especially in this time that is the end of the age.

  26. I interpret the 7 mountains to be 7 dark strongholds i. e., international monetary system, global surveillance system, international religion, multinational army, etc.

  27. America is Mystery Babalon plain and simple. Television, Hollywood, 52.6 million murders of babies, government sanctioned homosexuality. The Statue of Liberty designed for the goddess Isis the Egyptian name for the goddess of Babylon with her seven spikes representing the 7 continents and seven seas. We have polluted the world with our smut and pornagraphy. Soon federal law will label Christian believers as a hate group of intolerant people and bigots. You will comply or your assets and bank accounts will be frozen. Mark my words and pray that the Holy Spirit will lead you to the “Truth, the Way and the life”. America’s god has been and is capitalism (the dollar). The rich control the middle class through indentured slavery and the government controls the poor from anarchy through dependantcy. The arrogance and pride of the Americans is sad as through their “Exceptionalism” they worship the constitution and ignore the sins of their forefathers of genicide , slavery and coveting lands that did not belong to them. The church is like a tinkling cymbal. Judgement is coming soon. Your land will be made desolate and uninhabitable. Your sins have reached to the heavens.

    • It might be good to take a trip to some other countries. It will help the way you look at America

    • No one, to my knowledge “worships” the Constitution. But the Constitution is the law of the land and it was “inspired” by the Bible. You need an extensive lesson in American history, because some of what you say is totally untrue. If America and “honest” capitalism makes slaves of people, why did millions of people from other countries leave their homes and families to get here? Because America was the only place where they could be free to “pursue their happiness” and be sucessful, that’s why. You, my friend, do not sound like an American and if you are so unhappy here, leave. Love her or leave her. Capitalism, when used the way our founding fathers intended, is a blessing. Too bad GREEDY elitists have misued it for their own selfish gains. You are stereotyping the people of America because of the GREEDY. That’s like saying because Obama is a Muslim, all the people of America are Muslims. The Constitution will only survive for a “moral and religious people.” Because of the moral decline in America, this country has gone to the devil and I believe God has lifted His protection from us. Get ready for a major “purging.” Peace.

  28. To JoAnn – I made a statement addressing what you said in what I call the News Section in the left hand column on the Home Page, which was regarding Pope Francis’s recent statements regarding distribution of wealth. Since I dont think that was the appropiate place to continue the conversation, I want to continue that conversation here and hopefully you will respond.
    Are you open to doing that ?

    • Hi Dave. Sure, I’m open to discussion, as long as it can be fair and balanced eliminating bias. Don’t forget, I have been and studied the Bible and theology for over 70 yrs. I know what the Catholic Church has always taught, so I know my Faith. With that said, what was it that you objected to and/or with what did you agree? By the way, you are right, this is a better place for discussion, IF the moderators allow it. They sometimes do not post my comments. Blessings…

  29. Did you all know that Mecca, Saudi Arabia sits on 7 hills? Just sayin”… When John wrote about a “mystery Babylon,” it was just that. A mystery because, at that time, they all called Rome Babylon. Sooo, if they all called Rome Bablylon, why would John talk about a “mystery Babylon? Think about it… Blessings…

  30. Richard: I read your post below and I say AMEN! Thank you for your post. The Holy Spirit is with you. I look forward to future comments from you. Blessings…

  31. Mr. Baxter,… Kindly show me some scripture proof of the Mystery Babylon as “ROME”,……………………………some literal, some allegorical,……….

  32. one final word here to relate to you some little known facts did you know about the prophetic word about the identity of the popes from the time of saint Malachy until the last one who will be PETER THE ROMAN and the Lord told me just last year in a vision and via a word of the lord that would be the African Cardinal called Peter Appia Turkson from Ghana, well did you also know that Malachy was told and shown that Petros Romanos would be the last ever pope and that in his days the great judge would destroy the city of rome and judge his true people, BUT DID YOU ALSO KNOW ABOUT THE VISION OF THE POPE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 20TH CENTURY who saw italy overun and invaded by russian armies and that they would take Rome and kill half of the staff of the Vatican and kill the then pope and then a new leader would be made and he would walk over the dead bodies of his priests and leave rome and go somewhere else, I was told by the Lord Jesus Christ that that leader would be a freemason and a member of the illuminati and that would then be a temple of Lucifer and they would go to the New city of BABLYON and two other religions would build them a temple of Lucifer, confer the 5th chapter of the book of the prophet zechariah in the bible, God Bless you all. I have warned you, it is now up to you weather you obey the word of God or the world.

    • michael brown: And did you know that the prophecy of St. Malachy has been proven to be a fraud? According to that prophecy, Malachy had a vision of the next 112 popes after Innocent II. I’m in my 70s and I have been through 7 popes, including Pope Francis. Pope Francis is the 102nd pope, so we have a very long wait until the 112th pope, possibly another 100 yrs. I think it is better if we pay more attention to the prophecies of the Bible, which always come true, than a 12th century priest who is giving you a “personal interpretation” of whatever he thinks his supposedly future vision told him. The only thing that we have to worry about is to make sure we are ready when our Bridegroom comes. There all kinds of “visions” out here that have been told to us by many, many people through the centuries including a vision of a “holy” pope that will lead the children of God through the “Tribulation.” Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about those visions instead of concentrating on the negative. Couldn’t possibly be because of anti-Catholic propaganda, could it? Blessings…

  33. We have to take scripture serious if we have faith in Jesus. We must trust exactly what scripture says and stop watering it down with mysteries and usury of holding people in contempt over petty issues. When we are sold out by thieves stealing our communications, and excuses are made for why that needs to accepted as normal, we are way beyond what could be the point of the Marking of the Beast. Everyones identification number could be the mark and our very IP addresses could be another mark. How many marks do we need? The fall will be the collapse of the markets and a result in a World War. The shoulders of those with faith will not be enough to hold back corruption that will take over in the name of peace. They will come like a thief in the night, meaning they will blend right in and not be noticed until the Beast wants to be acknowledged as God himself out of greed. Jesus said he would come again. We must believe that and live to not hurt others any way we can and have good intentions in all we do, and make corrections to our business practices that may be wrong and done for pride in greed.

  34. To all my friends on this forum and to the staff of Endtime Ministries: I want to wish all of you a very Blessed, Holy and Happy Easter. This is the holiday that culminates the entire Bible history of salvation. Our Savior’s birth, death and resurrection. Jesus and only Jesus is our salvation. Let’s remember what He did for us and spread His holy message to all that we can. Thank you Jesus, for all things, but most especially for Calvary. Amen. Blessings…

  35. Unfortunately, America is Mystery Babylon the Great. The U.S. is the most powerful nation in the world right now and if America’s economy is destroyed which one day it will be, then the rest of the world will be in chaos due to their dependence on America in financial as well as military support. America is the only nation according to scripture the daughter of a nation England. And we have fornicated with the many kings of the wine through our global trades. And we are the great Harlot, because there is No place on earth where there is more paganism, idolatry and sexual immorality today than in the United States of America. The headquarters that sits on many water with many tongues and nations is in New York City, the United Nations. And after God brings judgement on Babylon and destroy it we see in the book of revelation 18:11 “And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyer their merchandise any more.” America, not the Vatican does commercial trading with other nations, and when the U.S. is destroyed all of these other nations that did buy, sell, and trade with them their economy is going to collapse and cause global chaos right before Christ come and defeat the beast which is the antichrist or man of perdition, the false prophet, and the kings of the earth and their armies that gathered together to make war against Christ and His army in Revelation 19:19-20 Let us pray and ask God to reveal His profound spiritual truths to those that truly believe.

    • totally agree with Shawn verbatim, for exactly the reasons Shawn stated. I have believed this too, but don’t see many others talking about this. Unfortunately, the time for America is coming to a close. As the church of God in Christ, our ministers have been silent on sin and big on prosperity and other things that the church has lost her singular message. Has the body of Christ in America become Chrisitan Philanthropists rather than preachers of holiness? God help us. But most of all, be ready for Christ’s “gathering together”. He is coming soon!

  36. Mary was a good, godly woman who was chosen to be Jesus’ mother. However, she was still a human woman, not a goddess to be prayed to or worshiped. This is why Jesus called her “Woman” instead of Mother and spoke to her in the commanding way He did. He was divine, she wasn’t. He was God in the flesh, she was a person born of two human parents. This is why it is blasphemy to pray to her and to call her the “Queen of Heaven.” She herself had nothing but respect and reverence for God and was a humble woman. She was not a perpetual virgin, because the bible said Joseph wasn’t to sleep with her until a period after Jesus was born. The bible says she had sons and daughters with Joseph, so she was NOT holy as the Catholic Church says. Since she was merely human, she cannot save anyone. Jesus saves.
    There is no purgatory in the Bible. Purgatory is a man-made deception that reassures people that Hell isn’t forever.
    The Pope is just a man. He’s not to be worshiped or prayed to either. That is blasphemy. He cannot forgive or absolve sins.
    If Popes are holy, why did some Popes father other Popes out of wedlock? If the Catholic Church is God’s true holy church, why did they torture and kill all those people during the Inquisition? Why do they support and cover up the molestation of children?
    Shouldn’t protecting the children be more important than covering up the crimes of the priests or the money they’d lose in a lawsuit?
    Why did they persecute the Jews, God’s chosen people, changed their traditions, times and laws, and merged them with the traditions of pagan Rome?
    Good works and alms and rosary repetitions won’t save you. There is only one God, pray to him and trust him.
    I love my Catholic sisters and brothers. I was married Catholic, but I’ve had my eyes opened by simply reading the bible. That is the true word of God. Please do some research on this and the true history of Easter and Christmas. I agree that the Vatican is the Mystery Babylon. God Bless everyone.

    • M. I posted the Beatitudes for you to see that any person with these qualities is considered Blessed by God. Mary is not the only Blessed person. I believe you have some of these yourself. Any church or person who does not show mercy to people will not receive mercy from the Lord. Hugs

    • M, this is for you honey. hugs
      Matthew 5
      New King James Version (NKJV)
      The Beatitudes
      5 And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. 2 Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:
      3 Blessed are the poor in spirit,
      For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      4 Blessed are those who mourn,
      For they shall be comforted.
      5 Blessed are the meek,
      For they shall inherit the earth.
      6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
      For they shall be filled.
      7 Blessed are the merciful,
      For they shall obtain mercy.
      8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
      For they shall see God.
      9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
      For they shall be called sons of God.
      10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake,
      For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    • To M: You are absolutely right. Mary was a good, godly woman who was chosen to be Jesus’ mother. Yes, she was human. In Mary’s absolute obedience to our Heavenly Father, that’s what gave Jesus His humanity. And, you are right to say that she is not a “goddess” to be worshipped. I know of no one who “worships” Mary. Like millions of Protestants, you too, have many misconceptions about what the Catholic Faith teaches. Catholics honor Mary, AS DID OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, when He chose her to be the mother of His Son. As a matter of fact, the Bible teaches that “ALL generations will call her “Blessed.” (See Lk. 1:46-55) God “exalted” the “lowliness” of a Jewish “handmaiden” to the highest honor any woman could ever dream of. I cannot be so arrogant as to do any less. If Mary was good enough for Jesus, she is good enough for me. As for Jesus calling her “woman”, Jesus was referring to Genesis 3:15, the “first” prophecy ever given in the Bible. It is known as the “proto-evangelium.” It is the prophecy of the promised Messiah and of the “WOMAN.” God “will put enmity between the serpent and the “WOMAN” and between the serpent’s offspring (the anti-christ/s) and hers (Jesus/the Church). He (Jesus) will strike at your head, (serpent) while you (serpent) will strike at His (Jesus) heel.” Jesus knew the Scriptures as did the Jews, especially, the Torah, and Jesus knew that they (the Jews) would understand exactly what He meant when He called Mary “WOMAN.” No way would Jesus ever disrespect or talk condescendingly to His mother. He wanted to make sure everyone understood that she is the “WOMAN” of Genesis 3:15. Since we are to “honor our mother and father,” (God’s commandment) it would have been a sin to disrespect Mary, and, of course, Jesus is “sinless.” When reading the Bible, one must interpret it in light of the traditions and customs of the times and not take it out of context. The story of the “entire” Bible can be summed up in one “WORD,” JESUS. We MUST always consider the whole Bible when we read it. When I say the “entire” Bible” I’m including the “7 books that Luther “REMOVED” when he left the Church. As we all know, the New Testament is “hidden” in the Old Testament and the Old Testament is “revealed in the New Testament. Events and prophecies in the OT were the “foreshadowing” of things to come in the NT. Jesus fulfills the OT. Everything that happens in the NT has to be “understood” from the traditions and customs of the OT. Regarding calling Mary the “Queen of Heaven”, again, it was “foreshadowed” in the OT. Kings NEVER had one of their wives as their queen. If that were the case, the wives would be “lucky” to possibly be “queen for a day.” No. The custom of the kings was to “honor” their own mother with the title of Queen. (See 1 Kings 2:19) “Then Bathsheba (Solomon”s “mother” and a foreshadow of Mary)) went to King Solomon (a foreshadow of Jesus) to speak to him for Adonijah, (she is an “intercessor” to the king) and the king “stood up” to meet her and “paid” her “homage.” Then he sat down upon his throne, and a “throne” was “provided for the kings’s mother, who sat at his right.” Now Jesus, being our King, also has a “Queen” – His Mother. Mary is the Queen Mother. Regarding Mary’s “perpetual virginity,” again, we need to return to the OT and ask ourselves, what was the holiest “object” in the OT and why? Well, the answer to that is, it was the “Ark of the Covenant” because in it were the staff of Aaron, the Manna and the 10 Commandments, (the word of God.) To lay a hand on the Ark was “instant death” as poor Uzzah found out in 2 Samuel 6:6 when he “reached out to steady the Ark, for the oxen were making it tip.” Now, if the Ark of the Covenant (a foreshadow) in the OT was “holy” because it carried the “word of God in the Commandments, we have to acknowledge that Mary, who carried Jesus (the “WORD” of God IN THE FLESH), is “holy.” She is the “spouse of the Holy Spirit,” as “she was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit” and no one would dare defile her. Joseph was a godly, righteous man, and, he also was specifically “chosen” by our Heavenly Father to be the guardian of Jesus and Mary. Mary and Joseph NEVER had any relations before, during nor after Jesus was born. It is very easy to take the word “until” out of context. Example: Michal, David’s wife and Saul’s daughter, in 2 Samuel 6:23 the Bible tells us that “Saul’s daughter Michal was childless “until” the day of her death.” Does “until” infer that Michal had children “after” her death? Of course not. Another example of Mary’s “perpetual virginity” is when Jesus was on the cross, He told John, the Apostle, to take care of His mother. John 19:27 – “And from that hour, John took Mary into his home.” Now, if we know anything about Jewish “laws” and customs, everyone knows that “if” there were other family members, especially brothers and sisters, that could take of His mother, it would have been “against the law” for Jesus to tell John, a non-relative, to take care of His mother. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Mary and Joseph had other children. It is easy to take the Bible out of context and “personally interpret” it because the Bible talks about “brothers and sisters” of Jesus. There was no word for “cousins” in the Bible, so “brothers and sisters” is used to denote other family members. Example: In Genesis 13:8, when Abram (before God gave him the name Abraham) and Lot decided to separate, Abram says to Lot “let there be no quarrel, I beseech you, between me and you and between my herdsmen and your herdsmen: FOR WE ARE BROTHERS.” Abraham and Lot were NOT brothers. Lot was Abraham’s nephew. Yet, the Scripture records Abram as calling Lot his “brother.” We know differently. I hope this clears up any misconceptions or misunderstandings about Mary. Oh, and praying to saints and Mary is quite Biblical. In Revelation 5:8, it says, “Now when He had taken the scroll, the 4 living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, AND “golden bowls” full of incense, WHICH ARE THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS.” Those prayers are “our prayers. Also in Revelation 8:3, same thing, “Then another angel, having a “golden censer” came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer “it” with THE PRAYERS OF ALL THE SAINTS upon the golden altar which was before the throne.” The “prayers” are our prayers. I’m sure people have asked you to “pray for them” as well as, you asking people to pray for you. That’s what “praying to the saints” means. We are asking Mary and the saints to PRAY FOR US. Even Paul, asks to be prayed for and says that he will pray for them. Our prayers to God are quite different. Our prayers to God include sacrifice and fasting. We do not offer sacrifices to Mary and the saints. We have ONE worship service, the “Mass.” That, is where we worship God, and GOD ALONE. It is the same Mass that the early Christians held in the early days of the Church, only then they called it “the “Breaking of the Bread.” (See Acts 20:7-8) Sooo, as you can see, the Church in Acts is the Catholic Church. I would address your other misconceptions regarding the Pope, Purgatory, etc but this is long enough. Maybe another time. I will say this though, there are ‘AMPLE” verses in the Bible that pertain to the doctrine of PURGATORY. I am curious about one thing, what do YOU say is the true history of Easter and Christmas? Blessings…

  37. It seems quite obvious that the Babylon referred to in Revelation 17 and 18 refers to the USA and represented by New York City. Every detail fits the US. No other country or entity better fits 17:2 than the US. All the kings of the earth have committed fornication and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

    When you look at the past 5 or 6 decades of machinations of the US policy makers and look through it in a compressed format rather than living through it as we have, you can see the pattern much more clearly. When you look at all the governments that we have mingled with and used our financial incentives or military threats to manipulate there is no other choice.

    Rome or Italy would have to metamorphose into a country that has not existed since Nero’s or Constantinople’s time to even be a player in the game.

    In 17:18 it tells us that the woman is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth. No other city on the planet is within decades of taking over New York’s power center. Rome would be like #100 on the list of world cities of power.

    In Rev. 18:3 we learn that all the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies – again – only New York can represent this. In 18:4 – we hear the voice from Heaven calling out of her, my people – again – think of the huge Jewish population in New York city and how many of them are wealthy and powerful.

    Rev 18:17- completely describes New York. Imagine seeing the original Babylon – located hundreds of miles from any sea – how could the ships and sailors see Babylon from the sea? With New York City – this vision may relate to watching the Twin Towers burning. In one hour she was made desolate. Remember the speed of the destruction on 9/11 – it fits this beautifully. In the framework of Bible prophecy the mere 14 years since then is like a blink of an eye.

    Yep, it is hard to imagine any other city that fits the complete description better than New York City.

    • This could have meant many cities since the time it was written. That’s a popular idea, but it’s a little bit of a loose connection. It doesn’t completely describe New York. It’s all symbolism and metaphor anyway. Just wait and see.

    • The difference is that Rome and Catholic religion have existed from the time of Christ. The Catholic religion have ritually changed from Nimrod’s time and modernized in pomp & circumstance. That religion has engulfed the world. New York? Is not in the duration of time as Babylon. Babylon has many look a-likes with a lot of similarities. Same is said for protestant religions who are very similar to Catholic with observances, but are of one and the same.

      • Marsha: The Catholic Church didn’t exist until Jesus established Her. She is the first Christian Church on the planet and existed for 16th centuries before Protestantism was born with Martin Luther. You are right, the CC has engulfed the world because that is what Jesus wanted Her to do. “Go and make disciples of all nations” Jesus told His Apostles. That’s exactly what they did. Blessings…

        • Actually no the Catholic Church wasn’t the first Christian church, Moses setup the first church, the prophets were Christians, David was a Christian, The Law of Moses was the first rules for Christians, Jesus came to fulfill the law, he became the ultimate sacrifice. When Jesus died he did away with having to confess ur sins to the high priest to get forgiven. In the OT you went to the high priest for he was the only one worthy of going into the holy place, so Jesus became the high priest and did away with that. We don’t have to go to anyone except Jesus. Very ironic that Jesus told peter I build my church on this rock, and Peter preached the day of Pentecost, and Pentecostal work more in the spirit than any other religious belief. We praise and worship boldly, plus we’re the most put down belief in the world. We get called all kinds of names like radicals, demon possessed, holy rollers, etc.. But still we experience and do things the Apostles did, We are the church of Acts cause we do just that act on the spirit not sit on it. But anyway explain why the prophets weren’t Christians, and technically the Phariesses were Christians at the time, until Jesus pointed out their flaws, and by study the Phariesses thought they was the only Christians at the time.

    • Whenever the scriptures refer to ‘her’ as in the prophecy of Rev. it is referring to something that represents a church, or in this case a false church, when Jesus said,”Come out of her…” The scriptures also say that there would be ‘Great Deception’; is the forces of darkness trying to deceive people who have not accepted Jesus, this would be absurd; Satan is out to deceive those who belong to Christ; as it says also in scripture,”..and Satan has ministers in the church that appear as ministers of light…” No dear brother it is not New York, it is the Vatican and the latin inscription on the Pope’s crown reads ‘Vicarivs Filii Dei’ and when the Roman numerals are added together within this name it adds up to 666 which is the number of the Beast of Rev. 13:18: “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

      • Randall: There are NO initials on “the pope’s crown.” That is a myth made up by anti-Catholic bigots. The crown is no longer worn by the popes since the 9th century. It was given away to the poor decades ago. If you are counting numbers (666), they can also be used to describe Martin Luther. “Vicarius Filii Dei” is not the official title of the pope. Again anti-Catholic propaganda. The Pope’s official title is “Bishop of Rome.” Try and make 666 out of that. The Vatican has no more control over the world than you or I do. Rome, at one time did when the pagan emperors ruled the world. The Vatican is a religious entity, NOT A POLITICAL ONE. If you really want to know where you can find “666″, look on the back of the dollar bill. It is in symbols. See if you’re smart enough to decipher them. A man who used to be a member of the Illuminati, was interviewed and he explained what all the symbolisms meant. He is now a “born-again” Christian and although he knows he doesn’t have to make amends because of the shed Blood of the King, (his words, not mine) he still feels he is making amends for all the “horrible” things he did when he was a member of the Illuminati. He is exposing them for what they really are. He explained quite efficiently how you find 666 on the back of the dollar bill. It was really quite interesting. Doesn’t the Bible say that “the love of money is the “root of all evil?” It wouldn’t surprise me that we all have been carrying around the “mark of the beast” and buying and selling with it for centuries. Think about it. Peace.

        • I would like to correct an error in the posting above regarding the pope’s crown. I said it hasn’t been worn since the 9th century. I was way off. The last Pope to be crowned with the papal tiara, a tall headdress ornamented with precious stones, (NO INSCRIPTION) was Paul VI, who later DID give the tiara away to the poor. When Pope John Paul I assumed office on Sept. 3, 1978, he was installed with the pallium, a circular band of white wool. Sorry :( Blessings…

  38. I remember a broadcast you did explaining Zachariah Chapter 5 with the flying scroll. You said that you believed that the women represented fire. Could it be possible that the flying scroll could represent the satellite above earth and the signal it bounces back from earth to space. It does have wings which could resemble that of a stork.

    • I am more convinced the flying scroll is Islam. The scroll
      is a “curse” and the Hebrew word used for curse here is

  39. With all of the very negative things happening in the U.S. and especially in the other parts of the world at this time, consider some of the words of the Apostles and JESUS Himself :
    - Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30 says, “Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. (29) Take my yoke upon you and learn of me, For I am meek and lowly in heart, and ye shall find rest unto your souls. (30) For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
    - Jesus said in John 14: 1-3, “Let not your heart be troubled, ye believe in God, believe also in Me. (2) In my Fathers house are many mansions – if it were not so I would have told you. (3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.”
    - Psalms 37: 4-5 says, ” Delight thyself also in the Lord and He shall give thee all the desires of your heart. (5) Commit thy way unto the Lord, trust in Him and He shall bring it to pass.”
    - Jesus said in Matthew 7:7-8, “Ask and it shall be given you, seek and ye shall find. (8) For everyone that asks receives, and he that seeks finds, and to him that knocks – it shall be opened.”
    - Isaiah 11:6 says, ” The Wolf also shall dwell with the Lamb, and the Leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the Calf and the young Lion together, and a little child shall lead them.”
    - 1 John 4:11-12 says, ” And this is the record that God hath given to us eternal life and this life is in His Son. (12) He that has the Son has life, and he that has not the Son of God, hath not life.”
    - Revelations 21:4 says, ” And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain, for the former things are passed away.”
    - Corinthians 2:9 says, ” But as it is written, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for those that love HIM.”
    That means that none of us, beyond mine or your wildest dreams can picture or imagine what JESUS CHRIST has in store for us that love HIM.

      • To JoAnn – thank you for the kind words. You seemed to disapear for about 2 weeks – I didnt see that you made a post on any of the other topics on here during that time. I hope you’re back for awhile and that we can continue our discussions and debates.
        I hope all is well.

        • daveS: Thanks, dave. As long as they are informative and not disdainful, I appreciate our discussions too. The Catholic Church is here to stay, as Jesus promised. When Satan works so hard in Jesus’ Church, it should make one think “why is he working so hard there? Could it be because it is the Church that Jesus Himself established?” He has been out to destroy Jesus’ Church from the beginning. He will fail. Blessings…

  40. Well, first of all, as a non American, I sometimes wonder how strict and hard in judgement are Americans against their own nation. Whole Europe is far more ungodly and sinful than America, and you say that USA deserve judgement in the first place. Why? Dont you see anything else then America? Second, I hear from the mouth of many catholics even in my own country, that RCC is persecuted. That makes me really laugh. No chance. Rather RCC is reigning and ruling, closely with politicians. It is sad. I agree – Harlot riding on the beast is what Irvin Baxter says it is.

    • belaso: (You too dave S) Persecution, straight from your own mouths. Don’t say the RCC isn’t persecuted. You don’t even recognize it, when you are guilty of it yourselves. The RCC doesn’t rule and reign anyone. We all have “free will.” Or did you forget about that? It amazes me, that with all the faiths on this planet that “ARE” anti-Christ, you all pick on the ONE faith that is ALL ABOUT CHRIST. A little study in Church history would be good here. Know what you are talking about before you make any comments. Any God fearing faith “will” plead with the politicians around the world. We are losing our religious rights. Does that matter to you all at all? The RCC has so many law suits against the Obama administration, it isn’t funny, because of religious rights. He is trying to make Catholic organizations do abortions, morning “after” pill, contraceptives, you name it. Everything the RCC teaches against. It would be nice if you all would lose the disdain and explore what the RCC really IS all about. You would be surprised. All that hate isn’t good for you. God is LOVE, remember. Some of the comments I read on this forum tells me that a lot of posters here do NOT have Jesus. If they did, they wouldn’t be so hateful. Peace.

    • Do you think Catholics are not persecuted? Tell that to the bishops, priests, nuns, and others, especially in Africa, who had their heads cut off for being Catholic, and you laugh?

    • Well said belaso. Irvin has been a Minister for approx. 50 years and would not have made a statement like he did at the beginning of this topic unless he was sure his statement was accurate. In his 1 hour DVD “True Chistianity vs. False Christianity” – which is one DVD in a group of 4 in his ” Salvation Package” or it is available seperately – he gives much more information on Catholism and also how it has affected Protestant doctrines and beliefs. I’ve been fortunate to have 26 of his DVDs and he has never spoken in such a sincere and urgent manner as he does on that DVD. All of his DVDS are the best production quality available, as is the information given on them, and he always puts the Bible scripture on the screen as he is talking so a person can verify that what he is saying is accurate.
      Best wishes to you.

  41. Mike: There are no “modern day” prophets. Jesus revealed all there was to know. He is the “Word” of God. No one else will follow. Jesus left us a Church and He left a “teaching authority” within that Church. Jesus said “seek and ye shall find, knock and the door will be opened to you.” We have the Bible and we have the “teaching authority” in His Church and we have the teachings of the Apostles that were handed down through the centuries in His Church. Seek the Church history in the early Fathers of the Church. Jesus’ teachings are not all in the Bible as John 21:25 tells us. “Bible alone and faith alone are not Biblical. It’s a common mistake to think that God’s “works” and “mighty deeds” are told only in Scripture. Every person’s life is God’s work of art, an expression of His creative love, His goodness, His compassion. Seek the Holy Spirit, He is a God of Truth, not a god of confusion. There is only one truth and that truth is Jesus Christ. Jesus told us that “He would be with us always, even unto the end of the age.” Jesus IS with us, in His Church, every day, every hour, every minute in the Tabernacle, in the Catholic Church. Blessings…

    • 1 Corinthians 12:28 KJV
      [28] And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. God calls people to be prophets. Paul said covet the best gifts, if you don’t seek to be a prophet you won’t be, some are taught you must be 30 yrs and older before you can teach the word, they are taught not to seek to be used by God. If Jesus intended for us to be Catholic he wouldn’t told Paul to write let no one despise your youth. I was told by a Catholic Man I was to young to talk to him about the bible and I’m 27 years old. There are modern day prophets, anyone who teaches Jesus is coming is prophesying, which when you prophesy, you become a prophet.

      • PreacherAj: I agree 100% with the Bible verse you quoted above. But, however, Paul was speaking of his time. In other words, the time of the infant church. The Catholic man you spoke to was just giving his opinion. It is not Catholic doctrine. Why would the church keep anyone, no matter what their age, from spreading the Gospel? The answer is, it wouldn’t You should have looked for different Catholic. As far as teaching that Jesus is coming, that is not prophesying it is proselytizing. There’s a difference. Proselytizing is spreading the Gospel to bring people to Jesus. Everyone knows that Jesus will come again, at least every Christian should know it. Prophesying is revealing something that will happen in the future that is hidden. Like what the prophets did in the OT and early part of the NT. 2000 yrs. later, the word has been spread all over the world, ergo, no modern day prophets exist. The only true prophesying done was in the Bible. A prophet would have to be correct 100% of the time or he would be considered a “false prophet.” We have no one in this modern day that is correct 100% of the time. Blessings…

        • Well you must really misunderstand the bible, for God anoints prophets even in this day, a gift of the Holy Ghost is prophesy. Either misunderstand or just to deceived and blinded by lies. Some are called to be prophets, some called to be teachers, some ministers, some evangelists, some missionaries, everyone has been called few chosen, you don’t have to go to a priest or a Pope no more, when Jesus is the only High Priest. Your history lessons are invalid when the bible is the truth. Call me what you want but I rather be a bible only Christian that a blind Christian. I pray that you will see the truth but I’m afraid it’s to late.

          • Childoftheking: History is not invalid when it co-oberates the Bible. When history and the Bible agree, people should pay attention. No need to be derogatory towards another Christian (blind Christian) we all believe the same Gospel. Jesus is the Savior and no other. Blessings…

    • An interesting thing to remember is that Jesus said that if you pick up your cross and followed Him, you will be persecuted. Look at the one Church that is persecuted throughout the world mostly; that being the Catholic Church, and you will see where the true Church is. That is where Christ is. Additionally, Luther “protested” against the Catholic Church and form the beginnings of the Protestant Churches. There are over 30,000 denominations of Protestant Churches, each believing that they are guided by the Holy Spirit. How can the Holy Spirit be so wrong causing that many variations of faith denominations. Christ said that his Church would prevail till the end of time and that the gates of Hell would not prevail against her. What was that Church? It was the Catholic Church. It prevail to this day protecting the deposit of faith that Christ started.

      • To disagree actually Pentecost is the most persecuted church, people calls us radicals, demons, we can mocked for displaying our joy and how the spirit moves us, and for speaking in tongues. We are constantly put down by others for our way of living and praise. We praise boldly. The Church of Acts is just that the church that acts on the spirit not quench it. Have you ever experienced a David’s move in the spirit where you just dance for no reason, if you have then you experienced Pentecost. Jesus said be a unique people, be a city on the hill that can’t be hide, Honestly you know Pentecost when you see them, not the same for Catholics they blend in with the world. I live in a city that is 80% Catholic, went to school with Catholic kids, I know what I’m talking about, my buddy was a devote Catholic but he’s now Pentecost when I pointed out the flaws in Catholic Teaching. For one Mary had children other than Jesus, she was a virgin and not touch by Joseph till after Jesus was birthed. Jesus is the high priest and the mediator for us not anyone else, by doing so we make them Idols. We can read and try to understand but without the true Holy Ghost we do just that read and make our own understanding.

        • Thunderbolt: I am old enough to remember some of the treatment Pentecostals received in the past. It was not fair, just as it is not fair to persecute Catholics. We all believe in the same Gospel. However, Pentecostals, today, do not experience persecution anymore. At least, not that I have seen. As the Bible teaches, Catholics do not boast. We know that we are saved by the shed Blood of Christ alone and not by works that we should boast. Our worshiping is done jointly in our worship service, the Mass. It is the only worship service that Catholicism has and it is to worship God ONLY. It is the same worship that the early Church did in their homes and in the catacombs, while they were hiding from their enemies. It is the same as the “Breaking of the Bread” on the “Lord’s Day, (the first day of the week) in Act. 20:7. The Catholic Church is the Church in Acts. Follow the councils, starting with the Council of Jerusalem. Peter resided over that council. There are no flaws in Catholic teachings. There are only flaws in what people believe ABOUT Catholic teachings. Thunderbolt, just follow the history. Blessings…

  42. Where are the Prophets of God? Amos 3:7. I’m not interested in some one peddling a book or personal thoughts. E-mail me if some one out there knows a true man of God. We need the ministries of God and now. Deadbeats need not apply.

    • I don’t know any prophets, but a couple evangelists I find worth listening to are Perry Stone and Jack Van Impe. I also like Jewish Jewels, a Jewish-Christian program that emphasis on the Jewish roots of Christianity. Hope you find that Truth you are seeking.

  43. Hi thank you for the great scripture on the Mystery Babylon
    there are so many videos on YouTube talking this very subject.

    You have to watch carefully about this, because you can be mislead very easily if you don’t read your Bible.

    There are a lot of people saying the America is Mystery Babylon , but the Bible tells is that she sit on seven hills and
    and that she is a city , America does not sit on seven hills,, not is it a city, but a country … So should leave America out!!!!!!

    Please! give me some feedback on this…..

    Thank Jerome

  44. …In all your getting, get understanding
    As great as it is to muse and speculate dont miss the big picture
    BE READY, is your soul right with the Lord?

  45. America is Babylon the Great. The Vatican does not have merchants from all over the planet bringing them goods America does. America will get nuked to death by Russia and co. after America kills millions of Christians in FEMA concentration camps for not going along with the nwo and the Antichrist/one world govt… You’ll see…..

  46. Rome’s nickname (at the time John wrote Revelation) was Babylon. Rome, even at that time, was known as the city that sits on 7 hills. Also, John refers to this city (great harlot) as ruling the known world… and Rome did rule the world at that time. There is nothing that could possibly be on the short list except the Roman Catholic Church. It is undeniable.

    • Scott: The “great city/harlot” has always referred to Jerusalem. Read Ez. 16. about the “Faithless Spouse.” Rome ruled the world at one time, but it no longer rules the world. America does. The Vatican does not rule the world. It is a religious entity, not a politcal one. Peace.

  47. The Bible requires each of us to study his word. It is best to study so that we will not easily be deceived. This fellow Mr. Baxter seems to be on the right track.

  48. Stop persecuting Holy Mother Church. Joined to her spouse, the Holy Spirit, they two became One Flesh = Jesus Christ. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unforgiveable sin. Your’re treading dangerous water, my friend.

  49. I have studied Revelations for years now and always wondered who Mystery Babylon was. Please read the book “the End of America” by John Price. There is NO doubt in my mind that mystery Babylon is the USA and after reading his book, I can’t believe I ever thought it could be the “false church” or the RC Church or any other nation. The sins of our beloved country in the eyes of the LORD are great and the entire nation will be punished. He even goes into the role of radical Islam in the destruction of our country. After the USA is out of the picture, it becomes easy for an antichrist leader to take over the rest of the world. It is a must read. It takes the blinders off and when you really believe that your country was founded on Godly principles, it is hard to really LOOK and realize how far we are today from those principles. A must read. God Bless!

  50. Why do people try to make religion so complicated? If you have questions,please ask your family priest. I started with these questions: Why was Jesus body transposed over the sun god on the cross with the sun emblem still over his head 600 years after his death? Why do people bow down to Mary when the bible says you must not bow down to idols or statues? Why did the church adopt the name Pope? Why was Jesus birthday moved to Dec 25? My priest explained it very simply.To become more powerful the Catholic Church had no choice but to join forces with the Pagans.in order to do that they had to incorporate the pagan rituals.The cross was a pagan symbol they worshipped the sun god on with a sun halo over his head. this way you could worship Jesus or the sun god.Your choice.The pagans bowed down to goddesses.Mary was an obvious substitute.Pagan religious leaders were referred to as Papals.By adopting that title it reduced the confusion.Dec 25 is the birthday of the sun god. By changing Jesus birthday they could join religions.I ask why the church didn’t drop all the pagan rituals after they got their gold and became more powerful.He explained that life is about compromise and to this day Catholics still embrace their pagan rituals with open arms.Why mess up a good thing? So there you have it.Go ask your Priest some questions. I learned that sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil for the greater cause.

    • I have serious doubts of validity of your anecdote. If true the Priest was seriously in error. The Catholic Church does not embrace pagan rituals, but many who have an agenda against the Church want to believe it to be true.

    • Lauren: “IF” you are being honest and not another anti-Catholic bigot, you need to report the priest to your arch-diocese. That is totally untrue. I doubt that your “priest”? said anything of the sort. The RCC doesn’t compromise with anyone or anything. Her teachings of the Gospel of Jesus haven’t changed for 2000 yrs. and they NEVER will. I pray that you are not making this up because, if you are, may God have mercy on your soul.

      • actually JoAnn, im inclined to agree with Lauren, Catholocism did join with pagan traditions. you can look it up, easter/resurrection sunday is the combination of Jesus’ resurrection and Ishtar a pagan goddess of fertility, that can explain the using of bunnies, and eggs. this is coming from an unbiased follower of christ, regardless of labels, God’s relationship with each and every one of us is individualized. he knows our hearts. Luke 16:15 “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts.” i’m still meditating on God’s word about the mystery babylon between america and RCC, i’m unsure but i know God will open my eyes. your judging america for atrocious acts, but look at all other countries. do they not do the same? however with RCC there is much controversy. especially when reading Revelations, there are many signs pointing towards RCC for example, seven hills, God’s use of woman is metaphor for a church, and her wearing of the colors purple and scarlet are pretty big arrows. however, America is called modern day Rome.. much controversy, but nontheless aside from all the speculation, above all remember that as long as we hold jesus in our hearts and pursue God our names will be written in the book of life. many will be deceived. satan’s nickname is the great deceiver, that being said, there is a lot of things we must keep an open mind about, because satan is extremely crafty and has been around a lot longer than all of us, he used scripture against Jesus to tempt him during Jesus’ 40 day fast in the desert. this is coming from an unbiased point of view, because i judge no one and love my neighbor as myself.

      • Lauren is correct; do research on the Holy Roman Empire which later became known as the Catholic Church and one will find that under the Roman Emporer Constantine all this happened as described by Lauren.

        • Randall: The Church of Acts is the Catholic Church. It is the Church Jesus established upon Peter and it’s birth on Pentecost. I don’t know what history? you are reading but it ‘s certainly not history of the Catholic Church. When Jesus established His Church (notice Jesus said His Church, not churches) He meant for it to be “universal.” We know that because the Bible tells us Jesus told His disciples to “go and preach to “all nations.” That would make His Church universal. Since the NT was written in Greek, the word for “universal” is “katholikos.” The Church was referred to as the “Katholikos ekklesia.” Do some more digging on that church “history,” preferably NOT from anti-Catholic propaganda. Blessings…

      • “The RCC doesn’t compromise with anyone or anything. Her teachings of the Gospel of Jesus haven’t changed for 2000 yrs. and they NEVER will” – You are joking, arent You?

        • belaso: No joke. If you would take the time to read the history of the RCC you would find it to be true. Since the RCC is an Apostolic Church (meaning the teachings of the Apostles were passed down thru their successors thru the centuries in the RCC. Jesus’ teachings were NEVER changed or altered. The Cathole Church has stayed true to the Gospel of Jesus. Period. End of story. Don’t make statements you can’t back up when you have no idea what the RCC has taught for over 2000 yrs. Peace.

          • To the Moderators: If a response from me has duplicated, it is because when I do not see my response to someone, I am assuming that there was something not acceptable and I reword my response. When someone makes a comment about my Faith that isn’t true, I need to respond to it. Sorry about the duplications but “belaso” made an untrue statement and it needs to be corrected. Thanks for your understanding. Blessings…

      • To all that read my post to Lauren: That last sentence didn’t come out the way it was supposed to. I’m sure you all know what I meant, at least I hope you do. Peace.

    • no but they may want Mary to pray for us, I will pray for you and I ask you to pray for me, but I do not worship you

      • johntheB: I love your posts. You can say more in just a few words than I can in upteen paragraphs. Thank you, my friend. Blessings.

  51. Besides what is mentioned above, there is even more that points to Rome here. The hill relates to the “Vates” or oracles that resided on Vatican Hill, and delivered their Vaticinia from there. Today you can still find art in the Vatican that represents those Vates as women holding a bowl or cup of diviniation. Even some of the coinage that was minted by Rome showed the woman holding a cup as being the representation of the “Vatican”. The Cumaean Sibyl was held in high regard in Rome as some felt she predicted the coming of Christ, and she is also included in the artwork of the Vatican.
    So there is your woman riding the beast holding a cup full of abominations, a church that was fornicating with pagan beliefs, gods, prophecies, etc, and intermixing them with the true word of God.

  52. By all means, listen to a “false prophet.” The only way a prophet is a true prophet is that he/she MUST be accurate 100% of the time. Mr. Branham does NOT hold that record. He has been incorrect many times. Most of the time, we ourselves could have predicted what Mr. Branham has predicted. Jesus is the first and last (alpha & omega) “prophet” (Son of God). He revealed all that there was to reveal. The only words that are true and accurate are the words of Jesus. Do NOT risk you salvation with any other words from anyone else. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life ONLY. Jesus gave us a Church and He gave us a “teaching authority.” It is between you and Jesus whether you accept it or not. Peace.

  53. If you want info on the catholic church in connection with the end time, look up William M Branham. He said many years ago that the U.S. would go broke and the catholic church was the only person or thing that had enough money to bail it out, which would lead to the mark of the beast.

    • If you want true answers re: the Catholic Church- get it straight from the horse’s mouth, and check out the site JoAnne mentions. God Bless you all.—Kimberly

  54. Kimberly: Have you ever checked out catholiconline.com? It’s a great Catholic site. It offers a lot, current news, Lives of the Saints, Bible readings, etc. I think you’ll like it. I have to put my 2 cents in on the threads every once in awhile. There are other great Catholic sites too. Blessings.

  55. To Debbie,
    I would like to suggest you take your history further in time. Read about St. Ignatius. He was a boy when he met Jesus. God bless.

    • Do you mean Ignatius Layola? The founder of the society of Jesus. Better know as the Jesuits. Established by the Papacy to destroy the protestant reformation. Is that your Saint Ignatius?

      • That Ignatius was in the 1500′s. He could not have been a boy at the time of Jesus. I am referring to the Bishop of Antioch.

      • Richard: No. Kimberly is speaking of St. Ignatius of Antioch, Syria. He was the Bishop of Antioch in the latter part of the first century and the early part of the second century. He wrote letters to the 7 churches in Asia Minor and in his letter to the Smyrneans, it was the first time that the “universal” church was referred to IN WRITING as the Katholikos (Catholic) Ekklesia. The NT was written in Greek and the word for “universal” in Greek is katholikos. We know that Jesus meant the Church to be “universal” as He told the Apostles to “go and preach to all nations.” All nations is “universal.” When “universal” was referred to in the Bible, it was Katholikos. When Catholics profess our Faith everyday in our one and only worship service to God, we profess that “we believe in the “ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC (KATHOLIKOS) AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.” Jesus prayed in the garden the night before He died that “we would all be ONE.” St. Ignatius was Bishop of Antioch after St. Peter and St. Evodius (who died around AD 67). (St. Evodius died, not Peter “yet.”) Eusebius records that St. Ignatius succeeded St. Evodius, making his apostolic succession even more immediate. Peter himself appointed Ignatius to the see of Antioch. He is one of the Apostolic Fathers (the earliest authoritative group of the Church Fathers.) Ignatius was also a student of John the Apostle. So obviously he was NOT taught any “false doctrines.” Eusebius records that Ignatius was arrested by the Romans and died a martyrs death in 108 AD by being fed to the lions. His body lies entombed under St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome. In his letter to the Smyrnians he said “Wherever the Bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Katholikos Ekklesia.” (Catholic Church) Blessings…

        Kimberly, I hope you don’t mind that I “butted” in to your conversation. Your sister in Christ.

  56. To Dave S-
    You asked when did Protestants kill Catholics. If you really want to know, start by reading about King Henry the VIII, he was brutal. Peace to you.

    • protestants are those who protested against the catholic church. That’s different from Christians. King Henry was no Christian. There is never a time when Christians tortured Catholics. The Church of England was basically Catholic. All they did was change the name when the King of England wanted a divorce and the Pope would not give it.

      • protestants are different from Christians? really?

        Henry the 8th started his own church and broke away from the Catholic Church so he could divorce his wife, history

      • Oh Joe, where did you come up with that? True, Henry was a Catholic, but because the Pope would not grant him a divorce because his marriage to Catherine of Arragon was true and valid, (what God has joined together, let no man put assunder) Henry rebelled, protested, dismissed the pope and declared HIMSELF head of the Church. He did indeed divorce Catherine and marry Anne Bolyn and established his own faith, the Anglican faith which very much made him a Protestant (pro test ant). His daughter Elizabeth who became queen when Henry died very much carried on her father’s deeds, only more so. Peace.

  57. @daveS: One more think, dave. I don’t want you to think that I have dismissed the sins of the RCC and that She is innocent, because She is not. There are Judas’s in all faiths, ALL faiths. But if you are going to condemn the RCC for some of Her flaws, to be fair, you also need to condemn the Protestant faiths for their flaws also. Witch burning comes to mind. Like I said All faiths have their Judas’s but we do NOT abandon Jesus because of Judas. If you do not remember that life has to evolve into more spiritual realms, you will never understand the different cultures that have evolved over time. When a Church is young, just like young children, She has to grow. She has to learn. She has to discern truth against heresies. People think differently as they grow. The only thing that doesn’t change is the truth of the Gospel. The Church is Holy, because Jesus is Holy, but man is flawed. Our leaders sin just like the rest of us. The only thing the Church can never make a mistake in is the teachings of Jesus Christ. Regarding “secular matters” our leaders are just as vulnerable as we are. We have to learn from history so that we do not repeat our mistakes. Unfortunately, through generations that do not remember history, it IS repeated. Which brings us to the present day. From the looks of what is happening today, it doesn’t seem like we’ve learned anything. Christians are being persecuted and martyred and our religious rights are being taken away. Actually, just about all of our rights are being taken away. We can only trust in our Savior. God is not oblivious to what is happening. He has His plan for us. We can only trust in Him.
    In Jer. 29:11 God says “For I know well the plans I have in mind for you, plans for you welfare, not for woe! Plans to give you a future full of hope.” We can only trust in Him. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

  58. @ daveS: Hi dave. Blessings to you. To answer your questions, first of all I want to say that the “Satuday Sabbath” is still being observed by our Jewish friends. Remember, they are still of the “old covenant.” Messianic Jews worship on the “new Sabbath” – the “new covenant” that God made with His children through His Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ with His crucifixion. Jesus said “I make all things “new.” In the Book of Acts, you will notice references to “the Day of the Lord.” Whenever, “the Day of the Lord” is referenced, it is known as the “new Sabbath.” The “new Church” always had the “breaking of the Bread” on the “day of the Lord.” This “breaking of the Bread” is the same worship service to our Lord in the early Church as it is today in His Church. Think about it, the Jews did not want the Christians using the temple or their Synagogues for their worship. In fact, they would get quite violent about it. A particular verse that comes to mind is Acts 20:7 – “Now on “the first day of the week,” when the disciples came together “to break Bread,” Paul, ready to depart the next, day spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.” By this verse, we can easily conclude, since the last day is Satuday (Jewish Sabbath), the first day has to be “Sunday.” Also, it is a misconception to think that there is no “special” Sabbath day. Yes, we are to worship and pray and give God glory everyday of the week, BUT God DID command, in the 10 commandments to “keep Holy the Sabbath.” Everyday is not the Sabbath. It is not Biblical. By reading Acts, we see that the early Christians very much DID keep Holy the Sabbath. Jesus did cure and work miracles on the Sabbath, but when confronted by the Pharisee’s, you know what He said. He was still doing God’s work, even though it was the Sabbath. Don’t we have medical people that have to work on the Sabbath? Are we to let them suffer because it’s the Sabbath? No. That’s what Jesus was saying. To do manual labor, building a house, working the fields, etc. THAT

    • daveS: Oops, sorry. I must have hit the wrong button again. These arthritic old fingers are just not what they used to be. Where was I? Oh, THAT would be an example of not observing and keeping the Sabbath Holy. The Bible aways observed a “special” day as so should we. Wherever Christianity spread, the Church immediately established the liturgy – “the breaking of the Bread” and prayers, on the “Lord’s Day.” (Rev. 1:10, which was Sunday. Now, for your 2nd question. Which puzzles me, because if you do not know the answer to that, you are very unaware of Church history. Think about it. Not only did the RCC suffer at the hands of heathens and pagans since Her inception, it has suffered at the hands of our own brothers and sisters in Christ, one way or another. Since, Luther split the Church, the RCC has been ridiculed, condemned, and sometimes killed physically, mentally and spiritually by our brothers and sisters. Do you deny that? Killing or harming doesn’t always have to be physically. In over 70 yrs. of listening to priests, teachers, friends and family, I have never heard the disdain for Protestants that they have subjected the RCC to. We were/are always taught to love and pray for our “separated brothers and sisters.” The Church has never condemned them, at least in my lifetime. That is above our pay scale. Only God is the judge. Yet the hatred Catholics hear coming from the lips of our brothers and sisters is surprising, troubling, hurtful and very unchristian. How would you feel if your faith was called the “whore of Babylon” or a “false religion?” Especially, when you have no proof sjpporting those accusations. The proof is in the Bible, you say. No it’s not! You only interpret the Bible that way yourself because of your own prejudices. All the bias teachings you have been indoctrinated with over the years. Peter warned about private interpretations. You need to read the biography of Martin Luther. He never for one minute wanted a split of the Church. He was horrified of how the people of that time reacted. They vandalized the Churches, some were burned down, Catholics were tortured and killed, and the RCC has been going through that for centuries, and still is. I hope I have answered your questions to your satisfaction, if not, let me know. I have a lot of church history, theology and knowledge of Church doctrine that I have absorbed in my lifetime and I’m only too happy to share it. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

  59. I think being clothed in purple and red means that purple usually symbolizes royalty (or those with political power) and red means blood, that these “royalties” have blood on them. Islam is a political force- or seeking to be one. Look at the Egyptian brotherhood for example. All those Islamic groups it seems want political power, and they are killing, especially Christians, ALL Christian groups, to get it. I think if they don’t discriminate as to who is Christian, neither should we. If we are willing to die for our faith, does it matter if we belong to a Catholic or protestant church? A martyr is a martyr.

  60. I have struggled with who Mystery Babylon is for many years until just recently. I was reading the Book of Revelation and came across these verses that explained it once and for all.

    Rev 18:20
    Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

    Rev 18:24
    And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    Rev 19:2
    For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

    Look back through history and who slaughtered God’s children….Rome, the Holy Roman Empire! I don’t wonder anymore.

    • Debbie,
      You quote Rev 18:24…in her was found the blood of saints… I want to ask you, what church did the saints belong to? After the apostles, what religion or church had “saints”. Do you think the church killed their own saints? It isn’t logical. It was the political powers of Rome(and others) that were against the church, just as it is the political powers that are against the church today. As for a religion that kills Christians, we see Islam is doing this all over the world. Even in ancient times, it was Islam that slaughtered the Christians in Constantinople and elsewhere. I agree with JoAnne, study the times of the early church and writings of the church fathers, those that became the first saints. The Truth will set you free.

      • Perhaps you need to study further the history of the church. When the church in Rome declared Sunday the Sabbath, it was then against the law to keep the Sabbath Christ kept. Eventually, punishment was death. Many who were followers of Christ gave in and obeyed the church in Rome rather than die. Others fled and others died. A deep study of the Roman Catholic Church will show a tie to the leaders of the world and the deceitful deals made behind closed doors. That church has the blood of saints on it’s hands. Why would the church kill it’s own saints? Remember the Inquisition? Why does God say in Rev 18:4….”And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

        Look at the whole picture.

        • Debbie: The Sabbath on Saturday was the old covenant. When Jesus was crucified, a “new” covenant was created and because Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday, it was Paul that changed the Sabbath to Sunday, not the Church. Well, technically, at that time the new testament saints, apostles, Paul, and the new converts WERE Catholic. If you want to count that. The NT was written in Greek. The Greek word for “universal” (that’s what Christ’s church is) is katholikos (Catholic). Rome didn’t change the Sabbath, Paul did. You still need to do more studying. I wouln’t be throwing any stones. The Protestants don’t live in glass houses. What about all the Catholics the Protestants have killed in the last 400 yrs. God says “Come out of her” because in the 16th century a lot of His children left His Son’s Church. The RCC was instituted by Jesus, Protestant faiths were instituted by man. God is calling His children out of man-made faiths and He wants them all to come back to His Son’s Church. After all, didn’t Jesus, the night before He died, pray in the garden that “we would all be one.” He promised that the “gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church, and that the Holy Spirit would always protect Her from errors. Hence, the RCC has been in existance for 2000 yrs. Protestantism didn’t come along until the 16th century. Nice try, but as usual most Protestants have no idea what the RCC is all about. ALL!!! faiths have their flaws. Why don’t we stop pointing fingers at what we don’t understand and obey Jesus. We are ALL brothers and sisters in Christ, sins and all. Peace.

          • To JoAnn – when and where did you get that Paul changed the Sabbath ?
            When and where did Protestants kill Catholics in the last 400 years.

          • When did Protestants kill Catholics in the last 400 years, England made being a Catholic an act of treason, punishable by death, those who attend Mass, or sheltered a Priest could and were executed

    • Debbie: Huh? You need to get back into the Bible and Church history. The “Holy Roman Empire” didn’t exist until the 9th century. The saints, Apostles, etc. were killed by PAGAN ROME. You know Herod, Nero, Diocletion, etc. way before the Holy Roman Empire ever existed. Learn more, judge less. Peace.

      • your statements are derogatory, and judgemental ease up this is a debate not an argument. Keep an open mind, regardless of belief to ensure you aren’t deceived. not saying catholicism is right or wrong, just saying keep an open mind.

  61. Alan – I think it interesting that in the time of this threads running several days in our discussion – Russia is coming back showing it’s power – the Ukraine is being invaded – the ‘Eastern side’ of the EU and ‘EU wantabe’s’ are now in threat – the reduction in size of the EU perhaps in the making.

    So my question to you sir is “What does Rev. Ch. 15 describe”? Simply a wasted chapter or paragraph ?

    15;2 and I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over the image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God….

    This event as written are those who are living in Mystery Babylon that are Christian – who have won out against the repression of those days and place and time. So the are first hand viewers of this event are they not? IF Rome were destroyed how would it be around for the battle in Israel? How will that leader be ‘in the temple sawing ‘he is the savior’ at the abomination of desolation’s. This ‘place’ and ‘destruction’ is not Rome – or the EU – you can come to your own conclusions – the ‘Red and Purple” Red and Blue = purple (which may just be coincidence) but I think there still may be something else coming in the near future to make that “Red and Purple” true.. perhaps something that has not yet come to be. Something to watch for as we both sit and wait. Keep the faith.

  62. Alan (you too daveS) If the moderators will permit, I would like to respond to your comment. #1) What idols, exactly, does the RCC worship as the ONLY worship service (the Mass) that we have, is worshiping Jesus ONLY. Sooo, how can the RCC be a “false religion” since it is ALL ABOUT JESUS? There are many faiths that do not accept Jesus as the Son of God, our Savior, nor do they accept His divinity, Jews, Islam, Buddist, etc. yet, you say the RCC is a false religion. Please help me understand that logic. And by the way Alan, ALL churches are referred to as HER/SHE because she is the Bride of Christ. Make sense? #2) All that wealth in the Vatican, does NOT, I repeat, does NOT belong to the Vatican. Think of the Vatican like you would think of The Louvre in Paris. All the art and wealth belong to the world. The wealth that is in the Vatican has been donated to the Vatican throughout the centuries by many wealthy and many not so wealthy wonderful people. It all belongs to the world. Why do people only see wealth and not its HISTORY? Do you understand that? #3) “Come out of her.” Why would God call His true believers out of the very Church that His Son established? No, He is calling His believers out of all the faiths that His Son DID NOT establish. If you remember, Jesus prayed in the garden, that “we would all be one as Jesus is one with the Father.” Jesus promised that the “gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church, not churches. He told Peter, “whoever hears you, hears Me, whoever rejects you, rejects Me, and whoever rejects Me, rejects the One who sent Me.” Jesus also promised that the Holy Spirit would guide and protect “His Church” against ALL ERRORS. Don’t you believe the Bible? Hence, “Jesus’ Church has been in existence for 2000 yrs. and Satan has been trying to destroy Her for 2000 yrs. Think ablout it guys, why would Satan be working harder in the Catholic Church than any other church? Because it is Jesus’ Church. #4) Trickery? That doesn’t even deserve a response. #5) Regarding your Verse 16: I am just going to refer you to the entire Chapter 16 of Ezekiel. Maybe you will learn who the “harlot” is and all her fancy clothing and jewelry. You will learn what city is the “great city” and all of her abominations. It certinly is NOT Rome. If you want to talk about atrocities of the RCC, to be fair, you would have to talk about the atrocities of the Protestant churches too. So I wouldn’t be throwing any stones, some of them just might hit the glass in your house also. #6) Saints in Heaven are NOT dead. God is the God of the living, NOT the dead. Who was Jesus talking to on that mountain. Dead people? I don’t think so. Remember? Praying to Saints is very Biblical, if you take the time to look for it. Especially, in Rev. 5:8 and Rev 8:3. I think, if I were you, I would study the Bible a little more in depth and stay away from “Youtube” (you got to be kidding) and check out the sources you get off the internet. You should be smart enough to know you can’t trust the internet. Why don’t you try REAL history and read up on the “Early Fathers of the Church.” “The Mass of the Early Christians” which is the same Mass that we celebrate today in the RCC. Stop reading and listening to anti-Catholic propaganda. Learn more, judge less. I need to say here, that I’m not angry with you either. I feel sad for you and I will pray for your enlightenment. Jesus told us “Unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have NO LIFE IN YOU.” If I were you, I would be a little more concerned with your own salvation than others. “Remove the plank in your own eye, before you try to remove cinders in others eyes. How did you manage to get so much disdain for a Faith that you know nothing about? Peace.

    • well sorry, that is not true. I know personally catholics who worship Mary, not just pray. And also – it is you who claim that protestants spread anticatholic propaganda. I think it is just your catholic propaganda. We see many bible verses differently than Catholics. And in the end I would say to you – protestants and evangelicals know much more about catholicism, than Catholics know about protestant and evangelical beliefs.

    • JoAnn, my comment was a ‘reply’ to Bill Baker, who was saying that Mystery Babylon is the United States of America. If you will go back and read the above, written by Irvin, especially Clue #4, you will see why I said what I said. I don’t wish to argue with you. I agree with Irvin, for reasons he has shown above, and others that I have of my own. I don’t expect everyone to agree with Irvin, or with me. I believe what I believe about the Mystery Babylon prophecy, and you believe what you believe. Our accuracy, or inaccuracy, in interpreting the prophecy is not a salvation issue. If you choose to be of the Catholic faith, and you know the true Jesus and worship Him, then I am glad for you. We can agree to disagree. But please, read again what Irvin has written above. I don’t think you can name any other entity on earth that qualifies for fulfilling this prophecy as much as the RCC.

      • Alan: I don’t consider this arguing. Why do you Protestants think hearing the truth is arguing? We are expressing our opinions. Obviously, you didn’t read Ezekiel Chapter 16 describing the “Faithless Spouse.” It is Jerusalem that is the “harlot.” She is the one that denies Jesus, worshiped idols, killed the saints and prophets and crucified our Savior, not the RCC. The RCC did not kill the prophets, apostles, saints or Jesus. Lose the disdain you have for the RCC and think more objectively. The “great city” has always referred to Jerusalem. Read Rev. 19:9-19. Rome doesn’t trade or buy and sell. She is a religion. “The” religion that teaches ALL of Jesus’ teachings. Only a city or state or country trades with other cities, states and countries. Read especially Rev. 19:19. “They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning.” The Jews are the only people that throw dust on their heads when tragedy occurs. Not the RCC. Compare the above verses with Ezekiel 16. It is impossible to come to any other conclusion about RCC vs Jerusalem unless you are bias. Jerusalem is called the “harlot” several times in the Bible. She has been called Egypt and Sodom. Not the RCC. Lose your disdain and think. I’m sorry, but the Mystery Babylon that is being spoken about here is Jerusalem. She committed the most heinous crime of all crucifying our Lord. The RCC exalts and worships Jesus and Jesus ONLY. Peace.

  63. its seems those with power and money are hellbend on having a one world leader and are setting up and have been for years setting up the world to get it to go along with this,a world without god, and his love would have to be watched 24/7 to keep it from going to hell in an handbasket they say but without god even this won’t stop what about to happen,just think the lord removes his bride to heaven he let this antichrist have his way to an point rember even santan had to ask god to test job god is in control even when it look like he not,his ways above our,his thinking above our,god about to take his bride out to bring his people israel the jews to know him totally for the son of god and their savior as well as our he and the father will get the glory he will not share it for its his,as well as venage,judgement but that for the people who reject him till the end may the lord open the windows of heaven and pour out an blessing you can not hold,peace be with you always,michael.

  64. IF, and I stress the word “IF”, IF the “eagle’s wings” in Daniel 7: 4 are referring to the USA, then the USA is not Mystery Babylon, and the USA will not be destroyed. Daniel 7: 7 & 8 talk about the one-world government, or “global” government being comprised of 10 divisions, or regions (10 horns). These verses also tell of the anti-christ rising up “after” this global government is in operation. He conquers 3 of the 10 leaders as he climbs to his place of ultimate authority, ruler over the whole earth. Verses 9-11 speak of this government, along with the anti-christ, being judged at the return of Jesus, and the establishment of His Kingly reign on earth. All this is explained in verses 16-27. The reason I say “IF” the eagle’s wings are referencing the USA, then the USA will not be destroyed is because verse 12 states, “As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.” Daniel is speaking of the other beasts’ lives being prolonged during the period of time leading up to, and following, the return of Jesus. These countries (powers) will no longer have a part in governing the world, but the lands will still be inhabited. Zechariah and other prophets teach us that human beings will still exist on earth even after Jesus returns and establishes His kingdom. Yes, people like you and I are today, will exist side by side with the believers who have been resurrected, or raptured and transformed at the Second Coming of Jesus, the Christ. It will be commanded of us to teach the human beings all about God the Father, Jesus His Son, and the Holy Spirit. We will govern and teach for 1000 years. And after this 1000 years, some will still rebel against God, and choose to go to hell for all eternity.

  65. Has anyone read about the UN demanding the Vatican to change their position on gay marriage, abortion, and pre-marital sex? They also are demanding the turn over all info about the sex abuse scandal while they ignore the fact that the UN peacekeepers have committed rapes. What a double standard. Also, president Obama is going to visit the Pope. Should be interesting to find what becomes of that….

    • Kimberly: Yes, I have read about it. What hypocrits they are. Satan is working very hard to destroy Jesus’ Church. I don’t know how people can’t see that. How can they not see why Satan chose the Catholic Church. It’s because it’s the Church that Jesus established. Let those who have “eyes to see,” see. Satan had a major victory when he separated the Church in the 16th century, but he has not won the war and he never will because Jesus promised he wouldn’t. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

  66. Hear this, Brothers and Sisters, so that you may heed the John’s warning in Revelation 22:18-19

    The Seven Churches are mentioned, and I have Brothers and Sisters in many of them. The Word of the Lord is Truth, and what is written in Scripture is Truth.

    I admit a sin to the Lord; the lion has led me in my curiosity to the place of “End of the World” speculation. What the Word says is True. Speculation is perilous. By the Spirit, I plead with you, Church, my Brothers and Sisters, to turn from the focus of this “Mystery Babylon,” for even in conjecture, she is raised up, even when it seems we are talking about her as the Enemy. Turn and face God the Father through the power of his Holy Spirit. Jesus (and therefore, loving God and thy neighbor) is the One to look upon for council, and not in the traps of the world.

    To the Church (my Brothers and Sisters in Christ): pleadings of a beautiful Bride to show at the Wedding, to the Bridegroom. I have talked too much. Look to Jesus, beloved, and love one another as a joyous bride before her wedding. Be True and Love. Love.

    • AMEN!! nothing ever spoken so true, divided we fall, united we stand. we must put our petty speculations aside, and come together with Christ. Only then may we conquer the perversion of this world.

  67. Clue #4 – Mystery Babylon is described as being clothed in purple and red.

    but what other nation can – have the multitudes of peoples the the United States has, of all tongues, indeed the melting pot of the world – who is the predominant economic force of the world and will remain so even with all the issues there are; but who will also be a hated nation for all the power it is developing to control – it won’t take much to have – again this is my opinion – the EU strike at the United States to destroy her, to contain her, to control her, to cease her for they will blame her for the things that are wrong… and it might well be ROME blaming her – and in one hours time – they launch – after say an Iranian EMP strike – or a Korean one and they simply take advantage of the defenseless nation. The anti-christ in Rome? perhaps again my opinion; getting them to strike at us when we are down to finish us off and then they will be free to attack Israel! That’s when the ‘big battle will come’ when we are gone.. and what other nation can be described as this

    Rev. Ch 18 – Babylon the Great is Destroyed – Rev 18;3 For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, “and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury”…. Is. 47;15
    18;4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
    18.5 “For her sins have “reached to heaven, and God has remembered her inequities.

    Earth Morns Babylon’s Destruction
    18;10 “standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, “Alas alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour you judgement has come”
    18;11 And the Merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore ; Ezk 27;27-34
    18.12 “merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron and marble;
    18;13 “and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and “Souls of men”
    18;14 “And the fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all things which are rich and splendid have gone from you and you shall find them no more at all.
    18;15 The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing

    The above paragraph describing America today is it not? Who else has the power to buy everything.. but that power is being limited by economic collapse – soon they will hate us, blame us – for the economic down turns – reason enough to have us destroyed…

  68. If “all the nations drink the wrath of her fornication” and this takes place during the end times, it seems to me the only religion pouring forth their wrath among all the nations today is Islam.

    • I agree that this could be true, Christine. We always center everything around us (the US) and if we look at it from the middle east then there’s a good chance that Babylon could be Saudia Arabia. All the surrounding Arab countries hate her because she is in bed with the West, and they hate us. She makes the countries drunk with her “OIL.” God will destroy her and she will burn. She has all the riches and wealth that Babylon is described as having.

    • the USA – has its millions of unborn saints that are being killed off by abortion – God is not happy with this pile of death ; or it sexual attitudes; its violence; it’s turning it back on God – its turning its back on Israel – with which he made a covenant of who owns that land – we are ‘are changing that by forcing Israel to swap land in a false peace agreement that is coming very soon – its being written as we speak – when this is set in place – the last seven years will be started – the clock for he destruction of Mystery Babylon will also begin – as the prophecy states “Rev. Ch 15
      15;2 and I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over the image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God” give a description of time – it will be after their is a “mark of the beast” for they the believers and followers of Jesus will have had to have ‘victory’ over the best – meaning a battle for the souls of men and minds will have been taking place up to the last moments – it difficult battle where many are lost and turn away – a very difficult time when we will be challenged in unknown ways to take the mark… but there will be many that do not and those are the ones noted in this ‘victory dance and celebration’ upon the destruction of the Babylon – literally dancing in face of adversity and the devil himself – quite a party.

      But this also gives warning ” 18;4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
      18.5 “For her sins have “reached to heaven, and God has remembered her inequities.
      This is a warning and ‘notice’ to all believers – time to ‘get out’ is soon, very soon, perhaps now, for this time is coming – we can see this ‘mark’ being prepared for with the issues of privacy and the huge intelligence spy networks being developed to monitor people’s every action and movement. The great repression is indeed eminent – decisions need to be made as – choices made do have consequence. Praise be to God – Keep the faith.

    • Kimberly: Very good point! The eagle represents power and might. You know, as well as I, that the “eagle’s wings,” for us, represents God. If I were Israel, I wouldn’t count on the US for anything. Anything good, that is. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

      • your as venomous towards America, as you believe your fellow debatees are towards catholicism. this is a civil debate among fellow brothers and sisters in christ.

        • Caleb: Sorry you feel that way. I was referring to this administration. They are not exactly friends of the Jews. Even the Prime Minister of Israel accused Obama of being a disaster for Israel. I find it interesting that although my comments agree with many on this forum, you decide to “criticize” me, a Catholic. Your bias is showing. Peace.

  69. Historical Babylon was a literal city, the end-time Babylon is a spirit of false religion outside the righteousness of Christ that the world will embrace. It’s nature is pride, independence from God’s grace, self-promotion and human effort. It will be financed by the 10 nation confederacy under the antichrist, and will be headed by the “false prophet” that comes out of the earth. I believe religious Babylon is everything in the form of godliness outside the simple righteousness of Christ. Man can only escape by receiving Christ’s righteousness as his own.

  70. You are a liar. Poor liar. USA that your country is the Great Babylon in twinckle of an eye it would fall and other countries in the world. All of them will then fall it into the drain.

    • If you read Rev 18 without bias you will then accept that you should be waiting for your death. payback time. Roman’s evil is far bellow that of US. So, US goes into the drian as others follow.

      • Bunch of liars who want someone else to suffer their iniquities. USA still wishing to transfer her sin to someone else so, innocent can be punished. Is the Roman the place described in the Rev 18 or are you just happy to be conforted with sweet words…every evil things described in the Bible manufested in US. So, what are you saying? Dont you know your Bible or…?

  71. Rev. Ch 18 – Babylon the Great is Destroyed – Rev 18;3 For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, “and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury”…. Is. 47;15
    18;4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
    18.5 “For her sins have “reached to heaven, and God has remembered her inequities.

    Earth Morns Babylon’s Destruction
    18;10 “standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, “Alas alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour you judgement has come”
    18;11 And the Merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore ; Ezk 27;27-34
    18.12 “merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron and marble;
    18;13 “and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and “Souls of men”
    18;14 “And the fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all things which are rich and splendid have gone from you and you shall find them no more at all.
    18;15 The merchants of these things, who became rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping and wailing
    …. read on through 18;19…..

    What this describes in my opinion – of what I read of this great book of Revelations is the nuclear destruction of the United states – for the merchants can’t come on shore for fear of the nuclear waste and it comes in one hour – and brings the plagues of nuclear radiation – 18.5 “For her sins have “reached to heaven, and God has remembered her inequities.”18;4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
    Some food for thought and consideration – for we are at that time….

    and I wonder – what of all the Christians here? What happens to all these believers ? Do they perish in this? Are they mentioned? I think so in “Preparations for the Bowl of Judgements” Rev. Ch 15
    15;2 and I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over the image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God
    15;3 and they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb
    and I’ll let you go there and read this song – for it is there for you to read and learn…

    Your thoughts – on mine

    God Bless you and may your faith remain strong

    • Yes, some of Revelation 18 sounds like it is describing the USA, but I think there are key phrases that pertain to the Roman Catholic Church, and them alone. There are historical videos available on the internet about the RCC, showing many of the atrocities it has sanctioned over the past 1500 years or more. You need to understand that Rev. 18 is not speaking of an actual, physical city. It is speaking of a spiritual entity.

      Vs 3 talks about all nations receiving her, and accepting her spiritual fornication (idol worship). The “merchants” have become rich due to all the fancy furnishings virtually EVERY catholic church displays. (they have to buy them from someone!)

      The voice crying in verse 4 saying, “Come out of her” is God pleading for His true believers to leave that false religion and come to Him personally, instead of seeking Him through an earthly priest, as is done in the Catholic Church.

      Verses 6 & 7 are proclaiming how much wrath should be poured out on “her”. (a side note: the Catholic Church has always been referred to as a female; she, her, etc). The verses say she deserves double wrath for all her works (works being the trickery she used to get her people to worship idols; worship man; pray to dead people; etc, etc). Verse 7 says she has glorified “herself” (not God), and lived deliciously. The RCC is extremely rich. “She saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.” The RCC has become such a filthy rich and arrogant entity that it is today its’ own country! Yes, the Vatican is a separate nation all to its self. She believes she is the bride of Christ, and because of her being His bride, she will see no sorrow.

      Verse 9 – Many countries, and their leaders, around the world have received the RCC into their bossom. “…have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her”.

      Verse 16 says the merchants are saying, “alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!” These are things that leaders of the RCC actually wear!

      Verse 20 – “Rejoice over her, heaven, and holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.” When has the USA ever killed holy apostles and prophets? History shows that the RCC has done this for many, many centuries!

      Verse 23 – “And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee;…for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.” The light of a candle here, is probably symbolic, but in reality there are probably thousands of candles lit in the Vatican at any given time. Again, the “sorceries” refers to the false teachings with which they deceived all nations.

      Verse 24 – “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.” Again, the USA does not have a history of killing prophets or saints, but the RCC does. Please take time to check this out. You will be in awe of the atrocities they have committed over the centuries. And you will understand why God is so enraged over her actions.

      I haven’t even mentioned all the sexual abuse that has taken place in the Catholic Church, but we know of it all too well.

      I need to say here that I am not angry with the Catholic Church. There are many good Catholic Christians in the world today. I haven’t said any of the things above to condemn anyone who is Catholic. It is not the average parishoner who has caused all the devastation, it has been the leaders. This is why God is telling people to “come out of her”. Once a Catholic is aware of the crimes the leaders have committed, they cannot continue in that religion. If they do, they are supporting, living with, fornicating with, the great whore.

      Don’t get mad at me. This is what God has said. Ask Him for understanding, and then read for yourself.

  72. I am a happy former catholic, but the roman catholic church is NOT MYSTERY BABYLON. Isa. 13 says the Arab pitches his tent there; Isa. 21 calls it the “wilderness/desert of the sea” – Arabia is mentioned by name; Jer. 49 says the Red Sea witnesses Babylons fall; Ezek. 25 says “from Teman to Dedan” is destroyed; Isa. 34 says the land will burn with Tar (crude oil).
    Dumah = northwest Saudi Arabia near Jordan
    Kedar = northwest Saudi Arabia
    Seir = northwest Saudi Arabia near Red Sea
    Dedan = northwest Saudi Arabia near Medina and Red Sea
    Teman = southern Saudi Arabia near Yemen
    Mecca – central Saudi Arabia near Red Sea

  73. Kimberly: What a wonderful story. Welcome home my sister. When you go to communion, don’t you feel like you’re going to just burst with joy? By the time I get back to my pew, the tears are flowing with joy. Just think, at that time, we are one with Jesus. You can’t get any closer to Jesus than that. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

    • JoAnn, Thank you, and yes, I cry every communion. I think my fellow parishioners used to wonder, what’s wrong?, but now they are use to it. I’ve never been so spiritually satisfied! I heard so much anti-catholicism for so long I was afraid and begged the Lord not to let me be deceived. So much misunderstanding! That’s why I appreciate your comments so much. You have a true ministry here. Keep sharing and correcting those misunderstandings, the devil does love to divide us. I no longer have to search, I find my faith secure on the True Rock, that is Jesus.

      • Kimberly: Thank you and AMEN sister. I’m honored that I was able to help you and maybe other Catholics that might have some doubts. To all Catholics, don’t doubt for one moment the awesome gift Jesus left us in “His Church.” Especially, when She has Her tribulations. Jesus told us that “we would always have stress and tribulations.” Just keep the Faith. The Catholic Church (LIKE ALL DENOMINATIONS) have their Judas’s and we DON’T leave Jesus because of Judas, and we certainly have had our share of Judas’s. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

        • Hello JoAnn and Kimberly,
          I am a Pastor of a church that is classified as a “New Charismatic Church” by discussion with the Vatican. I have been to Rome five times engaging with the Pontifical Council on Christian Unity. I want to say I am impressed with your theology and the spirit of dialogue you engage with. As you know the work titled “From Conflict to Communion” has resolved most of the issues with “Protestants” and there is great movement in understanding with many streams of Christians. Unfortunately many non-denominational believers particularly in the U.S. have been brainwashed by “pop- religion” promoted by fear-based rapture theology, a relatively new phenomena (last 50 years). One of the defects that was added to our corrupted spiritual DNA through the Reformation is the need to “be right” and we will argue for “the truth” no matter what the consequences are to the Lord’s Body. Jesus Christ is perfect theology and He prayed that we would be one (not that we would be right) even as He and the Father are one. You are obviously aware that most Christians don’t understand the Catholic Church and it is only recently that the RCC has began to reach out beyond its walls to explain itself to other Christians. Local priests have little or no training (nor time) for ecumenical activities and the reason the RCC remains a target for well meaning “pop-heretics” is because it has never taken to heart that the western mind is media driven and pop culture programmed. With Pope Francis’s lead and amazing writings like “The Joy of the Gospel” we will see a change in rogue theology.
          In closing please understand that there are many of us that weep during communion and the Lord is very present in our gatherings around His distributed Body and Blood. Keep up the good work and don’t get weary under the attacks of modern day Pharisees… fear is a powerful motivation for evangelicals, there has to be a diabolical system to sell books and promote sermons, believe me I know… I have been a “Non denominational Charismatic” Pastor since 1981 and traveled all over the world to witness “The Church”. God Bless

          • Patrick: Thank you so much for your kind words. We can only sow the seed of Truth. It is up to the Holy Spirit to grab the hearts. Again, thank you. Blessings…

  74. The Babylon mentioned at the end of 1 Peter is Jerusalem..I believe this was a refrain among the First Century Church.. Likewise the Babylon of The Book of Revelation is also Jerusalem…Remember Jerusalem is the unfaithful wife; not only was she unfaithful she ‘murdered’ her Bridegroom!! The truths revealed in the Book of Revelation are not some cryptic prophesies of some obscure period in time. What was prophesied by our Lord was about to happen; SOON… One must be diligent to use The scriptures to interpret Scripture!! We can not fully understand the Book of Revelation un till we understand The Book of Daniel AND Mt 23,24,25!!

    If anyone is interested, I will be pleased to help you to “rightly divide the word of truth” !!

  75. To JoAnn – if I may ask – do you have a fear of being totaly immersed in water, as in being Baptised in water ?
    Do you have a fear of being Baptised with the Holy Ghost resulting in speaking in tongues ?

      • To Gary – Thank you for your responce. I’m sure what you said is true that the LORD doesn’t give a spirit of fear – but it was Paul that said that in 2 Timothy 1:7. Regarding my question to JoAnn – I have been sharing the gospel at every opportinity for over 40 years, especially the gospel that the disciples preached in the book of Acts, which is being immersed in water, and without exception – was done in Jesus Name – Acts 2:38, Acts 2:41, Acts 8:16, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:47-48, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:35, Acts 22:16, Galations 3:27, and being baptised with the Holy Ghost. Even though many people accept that information as being correct and that it should be done, they often dont do it because of a fear of water and especially being immersed in water by someone else, and also that it is most often done in front of a group of people. About 3 months ago I had a good phone conversation with Dave Robbins – who conducts Bible Studies with Irvin Baxter at Plano, Tx., about that topic. He agreed that was often the case and if he finds out that that is the reason a person is hesitant to get baptised – he offers to do that in that persons home where they would feel more comfortable. If that person is a woman, he has a woman from the church accompany him or do the baptising. My wife of 6 years, who is a little older than I am at 67, had been a dedicated Christian all of her life, had been Baptised with the Holy Ghost, knew that she should be water baptised in Jesus Name – but couldnt bring herself to get into a robe and shower cap, and then get totaly wet in front of a group of people. When I let her know that it didnt matter where the baptism was done and that it did not have to be done in front of any people – she had it done here in the privacy of our home.
        The same thing is basicaly true with being Baptised with the Holy Ghost – many people think it is just too “strange” to have that happen to them, or have a fear of that happening to them, and with many churches and people making statements like ” tongues is not neccessary, dont worry about “, they dont seek it. If anyone doubts that Jesus Name Baptism is not important and that Baptism of the Holy Ghost is not important – see Irvin Baxter’s statements in “Tongues – Devilish or Divine” on this website. He also has a new 4 ea. – 1 hour ea. DVD series called “Salvation Package”. Lesson #1 is “Understanding the GodHead” which reveals much about Jesus Christ that many people dont know, Lesson #2 is “True Christianity vs. False Christianity”, Lesson #3 is “Born Again – 3 Steps”, Lesson #4 is “Receiving the Holy Ghost”. The Package will be THE best $65 that anyone ever spent. Any one of the 4 DVDs is also available for $20 ea. and a download of any one of them is available for $14.99.
        Again – thank you for your responce and have a good day !

        • Kimberly: Thank you. I appreciate yours also. It has been over 60 yrs. of extensive study in theology, the Bible, Church history, a lot of help from the Holy Spirit and a lot of research on people that converted to Catholicism. Some of them were so anti-Catholic that they thought it was their mission in life to disprove the Catholic Church and save Catholics. Boy, were they unexpectantly surprised. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

          • Hi Joanne,Yes, I did the same for many many years. Started with Eastern religions as a teen, then was with the Jehovah’s Witnesses for 10 years. I then searched more looking into Judaism (as a Christian though), thinking if I started where Jesus started maybe I’d end up where He is, and I did! I recently (2011) converted to Catholicism. I laugh for joy thinking I had been looking for Jesus for so long and there He was waiting for me in the Tabernacle! I now commune daily with Him, what a blessing!

  76. I heard Irvin talk about a flyer or booklet about the end times that he wants to get printed and sent to every home in Israel. How can I donate just for that? I don’t want to donate for a college or anything else.
    Your site doesnt show a place to do that. It only gives a phone number. I am DEAF; dont have a phone.

  77. I appreciate your explanation. Yet, I think there is more evidence supporting Jerusalem as the “woman” “great city” in Revelation chapters 17-18. First, Revelation 11:8 clearly tells us that the “great city” is where our Lord was crucified, which is Jerusalem. (Revelation 11:8 – And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified). Second, Jerusalem is also a city on 7 hills (Scopus, Nob, Olivet, “Mount of Corruption” or “Mount of Offence”, “Mount Zion”, the “Ophel Mount” and the new “Mount Zion”). Third, the “woman” in Revelation was drunken with the BLOOD of: (1) the saints; (2) the martyrs of Jesus; (3) prophets (see Rev. 17:6 and 18:24). In Luke 13:33-34, we learn from Jesus Himself, there is only one city upon the face of the earth where a prophet perishes – that is Jerusalem. (Luke 13:33-34 – Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!). Again, in Acts 7:51-52 we learn that it was the Jews of Jerusalem who not only persecuted the prophets, but also slew them. (Acts 7:51-52 – Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers). Again, in 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16, it is the Jews of Judaea (aka Jerusalem) who have “both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets”. (I Thessalonians 2:14-16 – For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sin always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost). Additionally, in Matthew 23:34-39, Jesus again tells us the city that killest the prophets is Jerusalem. He said that upon Jerusalem would “come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar”. Yes, Jesus Christ cried, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets” and, again, “in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth”. (Matthew 23:34-39 – Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord). Lastly, the way the woman was arrayed is a parallel to Exodus 28:1-8. Both the high priest and “the woman” (Rev. 17:4; 18:15-16) share the following: (1) gold; (2) purple; (3) scarlet; (4) linen. The only color missing is the “blue” which is significant. In Numbers 14:37-40, God instructed the children of Israel through Moses to put “a ribband of blue” or a twisted thread of blue upon the fringe of the border of their garments and this “ribband of blue” was to be a reminder unto them to “remember all the commandments of the LORD and do them” so that they would not “go a-whoring” after other gods. With such in mind, it is extremely significant that the only color which is missing from the “array” of this “woman” in Revelation is “blue”. In other words, no matter how “religiously arrayed” this “woman” is, her distinguishing feature is that she doesn’t “keep the commandments of God” (which is exactly what the missing “blue” represents) and has therefore “gone a-whoring” (She is, after all, “THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS”). This same exact “woman” is also described in Revelation 12 and, more interestingly, this “woman” has “a remnant” which is also described. Even though most of those who comprise “the woman” have no “blue” in their “array” or attire in that they do not “keep the commandments of God”, “the remnant” of this “woman” or the Jews who will be saved in the last days do have “blue” in their “array” or attire in that they “keep the commandments of God”. Again, it is this “keeping of the commandments of God” which distinguishes “the remnant” from “THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS”. In stark contrast to what this “woman” has written upon her forehead, the Old Testament high priest bore the inscription “HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD” (Exodus 28:36-38). Whereas the high priest bore the inscription of “HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD” which was fastened to his mitre by “a blue lace” (another reference to keeping the commandments of God) and worn “always upon his forehead”, this “woman” from Revelation chapter 17 bears the inscription upon her forehead MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

    • @Lee: Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! I am in total agreement. I would like to add Rev. 18: 19. “they threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning: “Alas, alas, “great city, in which all who had ships at sea grew rich from her wealth. In one hour she has been ruined.” There is only one faith, that I know of, that “throws dust on their heads” when in misery. The Jews. Peace. Your sister in Christ

  78. The prophecy of Mystery Babylon is found in Revelation 17:3-5.
    Clue #2. Mystery Babylon presides over a vast international system
    In verse 1, we are told that the woman sits on many waters

    “And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”

    Not only is this woman a city, but the city is apparently the headquarters over a vast international system.

    Clue #3. The city sits on 7 hills

    In verse 3, we are told that the woman rides on a beast with 7 heads. Verse 9 reveals the meaning of the heads. “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.”

    But is Rome the headquarters for an international power that rules over “peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues?”

    …. and there is more to this in the “Description Of Mystery Babylon – But what I read in these above “CLUES” it two things – Yeah there is the Roman Catholic Church ruling Europe – but this leader sits on ‘many waters’ and “she” controls people from all over the world – with many tongues as described in the other clues – my take on what is Mystery Babylon – “The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” who for a term recently owned Babylon – who is the most powerful nation controlling “many peoples of many tongues” and “many of them come here with all of their tongues to the melting pot” as we describe them here… and is there a false church – perhaps coming to this nation soon – with all the ‘control’ of everything – are we not building the ‘computers to compute all’ the – capability to ‘control all’ – will we become the enemy of the world in this ? Haven’t we to a degree already? Don’t we already control the EU via our economic means and are we not aligned with England – and the other Roman heads? And will she ride on top of them? The question ‘who is she’………. but I think this description is describing the United States. Your thoughts on this please.

    • so do I even from my first reading of Rev. im glad to hear that im not alone. I kept quite about it because I thought I was wrong and still could be: but i’ll keep reading and listening to Ervin Baxter .i’m learnig from him . Thanks Prophet Baxter

    • The church does not rule Europe. It is a religious institution not a political one. If the church ruled Europe, do you think Islam would flourish the way it is?

      • have you ever thought of the possibility that both RELIGIONS of same origin? :) and I’m not speaking for ecumenism/one world religion here…

    • Bill,
      I believe we have to go back to the beginning of Abrahams seed. He has 2 sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Each son was to be a sign of what was to come. Isaac being a Jew a seed of the promised inheritance and Ishmael a middle eastern Islamic seed. I believe the end will come full circle from the beginning. You mentioned the United States as being the city that is in end time prophecies, how this may or may not be true. One thing for certain is that the USA was developed on Christian principle’s and she is falling away from her first Love at an alarming rate and the Muslims are building there temples in the US as a means for the anti-Christ to take over. This we can see already happening. The United States has become no different than the Temple of Babel. In the end will God find faith on the earth? God is calling His people out of her. Her has always been a symbol of a church or a religious entity, a harlot that has many lovers. For me I believe it’s a religious entity that claims to be of God but has always been of the anti-Christ. They themselves are blind to this fact and God only reveals the mysteries of His Kingdom to the very few, the elect a remnant, that are truly His body. Christ body, His church, is small in number compared to world religions, and few will find their way to Him. This is where any and all religions and people that claim to be the only church or the chosen church needs to search dead within themselves as a separate being to see whom they serve, God or man. Do they serve the God of brotherly Love and judgment of all people or do they serve their god of works, whether it be works to maintain their salvation or works of death to gain a worldly paradise. Islam and Catholicism are growing at a rapid pace, this alone should tell us something. For myself, I’m relying on the Holy Spirit to teach me in due time the truth of His word. As I study the bible and seek God in prayer and fellowship, He is faithful to reveal the mysteries of His Kingdom whom is Christ Jesus His Son, in all things. What is most important is walking with Christ and trusting Him alone to bring us to His Promised Land. We are to be mindful of end times and our surroundings, but ultimately we are to only seek after Jesus and His righteousness for salvation and eternal life.

      • sherry: “We are only to seek after Jesus and His righteousness for salvation and eternal life.” I say a big AMEN to that, sherry. I agree with you 100%. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

        • The list of the sins and perversions against God is a description of the immoralities of the Mormon Church. This nation had a Mormon running for the most important political position in the world in the last election. They will try to gain this seat of power until they succeed. If they do succeed they will become the great harlot and do to the world what they did to the wagon train in the murders of Mountain Meadows, Utah, in 1857 by orders from Brigham Young. They are the tools of Satan. They have no claim to Christianity. Every human should be informed of the un-Godliness of this pagan sect. If they succeed in their efforts, then the US is truly the Harlot.

          • ben: Do you honestly think that Mormonism is the bigger evil than Islam? We have a Muslim Communist in office now because of Mormon prejudice. Are you happy with him? You really need to get to know the differences. Mormons may not be christian in your book, but some Mormons are more christian than other “real” (to you) Christians. Peace.

  79. Greetings in Yeshua’s name! I am a Protestant minister that studies the subject of Babylon The Great pretty strongly. I not that Babylon the Great is described as being the “Mother of Harlots”… are these Harlot Daughters all the Protestant Churches that have taken on so many of her (The Roman Catholic Church’s) Paganized ways? If so, do we need to leave the Protestant Churches also becaused of being called to “Come Out Of Her My People”, or do we need to simply stay in and teach the original Judeo – Christian Truths before the time of the Council Of Nicea? I truly believe and see things like you do, and I would really like your “info” on this. God Bless!

    • Brian,
      I am a sister in Christ. For me and my family we have come out of her all together as to not suffer the plagues that will be as Gods judgment to her. I have been out of the man made temple for 2 years, and am being purged in the desert as to eat only the Manna from heaven. If God in His wisdom and grace calls me to a true congregation of His called out ones I will go, until them I’m being still and only listening to my Groom. He has forgiven me for having other lovers in His name and He is now removing the veil of deceit that was covering my eyes. He is very Great indeed when we go to the desert with Him, but it is a very lonely painful place to be, but His grace is suffient. In His time He will restore all things to me that religion and paganism took away. As far as staying in Babylon or leaving, go back to scripture on the subject and seek God for yourself and for those that God has given to you to under shepherd for Christ. If you are truly faithful to Him and Him alone, He will show you what to do, then its up to you to obey with whatever direction He gives by the power of His Spirit. Best wishes as you go, seek, and follow Christ alone.

    • Brian: Could you be more specific? What exactly do you mean by “Pagan ways? And what exactly do you object about the Council of Nicea? Peace.

  80. I was taught in the past that Roman Catholic Church was the anti-Christ, could this possibly be both Babylon and anti-Christ? I was also taught in past that United States was false prophet. What are your thoughts on this?


    • Tess: How can Jesus’ Church be the anti-christ? Who or what taught you that? And, have you ever researched Church history to verify it? I would suspect that the US would be “Mystery Babylon” since we have gone so far away from Jesus’ teachings. The US is now devoid of any morals. My tentative opinion, without any proof, is that Mystery Babylon could be the US, Washington DC or New York City. With the UN in NYC overseeing the entire world, it makes it very suspect. I also, tentatively believe that the “false prophet will be a Jew or Muslim because I think that the “one world religion” will be Islam. Peace.

  81. the question as who is mystery babylon is as the Lord told me, it is a mystery religion which has two parts, one of which is the traditional religion of the church of Rome with its belief in a sun god and a mother god whom they refer to as the mother of god but who is the ancient mother goddess worshipped by all ancient peoples as semisheramis the mother of nimrod and wife of cush grandson of noah, but who married her own son nimrod and became known as the whore of babylon, but there also was a mystery religion of ancient babylon which after the dispersion of mankind was maintained by a secret order of illumined ones who where known as the illuminati and they then taught it to some people called adepts down through the ages but during the middle ages in europe became known as freemasonary and their was added the catholic degrees at the end of that time period and thus we have today the secret mystery relion of freemasonary but avouve them their is still the order of the illminati and above them their is the palladium and above them the highest lucferians on earth called the hidden council of the nine, but they are beyond salvation, but that only applies to the nine and the upper echalons pf the 33rd through till the the 39th degree of freemasonary and the upper levels of the illminati and of the palladium as well but the Lord has told me he holds out his mercy apon the rest. nowe as to the city of babylon, it is not the city of rome, but it is the future of the city of babylon for the Lord has told me by divine visions and by the word of the Lord that in the year of 2014 the church of england and the church of rome will unite to create a one world church which in a short time will include all religions of the world in it but God will have mercy on it and during the early years of it will pour out his Holy Spirit apon all of nature including it and make himself known to all mankind over the next four years but then it will divide into two peoples one who worshipp lucifer and the rest will turn to our Lord jesus Christ, but then as i have said in other bloggs in the past the nation of china and russia under a new communism if destoy america and britain on the night of october 31st 2017 between midnight and dawn and conquer the world and in those days it will also invade europe in time and will take italy and will nuke rome so it is not eternal, but you must look up the prophecies of saint malachy and remember that the Lord told him certain thing about the popes intil the final one who he said would be called petros romanos, but francis the 1st was not mentioned, for he is not the last but the next one will for as the Lord told me just recently by the Word of the Lord he revealed to me that the next and final pope will be petros romanos and that it will actually be the cardinal of ghana whose name is Peter Appia Turkson and he will be elected as the next pope and will not change his name but call himself Peter the Roman for all popes become the high bishop of the city of Rome and he does not know of the prophecy of malchy and thus he will ne called Petros Romanos and the prophecy says that in his days the city of seven hills will be destroyed and the great judge will judge his people, but thatr is not the end of the age nor the second coming of Christ, for the world goes on and what happens next is that as the russian troops invabe italy and take it they will also take rome and kill have of the Vatican as well as the pope petros romanos but then a new leader ii elected by the vatican and he will leave rome with the remaining satanists and luciferians and go to the new city of Babylon in iraq to build a temple of lucifer confer the vision of the pope at the beginning of the twentieth century and the book of the prophet Zechariah chapter 5 in the bible concerning the ephah and the woman in the basket and they two women with wings of a stork will take it to the land of Shinar to build it a house and tere it will be established upon its base, remember the bible tells us and then as Jesus told me for two generations it will continu till the time of the apocalypse in the book of revelation when the antichrist the beast will dsestroy the city of babylon and he will take world dominion the Lord told me that will coincide with the year of 2073 AD EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK THAT YOU CANNOT KNOW THAT BUT YOU CAN, the Lord says in the bible that he will raise up from the dead all who believe in him at the last day and the last day is the name given to the last day of the feast of trumpets and on that one trumpet will be blown in the temple of hezekiel and it is called the shofar of God or as paul the apostle calls it the trumpet of God check this out by the jewish priests who are being trained in the nations of USA AND ISRAEL AND AUSTRALIA TODAY, DONT JUST REJECT WHAT I SAY CHECK IT ALL OUT AND FINALLY THE LORD TOLD ME TO SAY THAT YOU ARE SUPOSE TO JUDGE THIS AND THE OTHEWR THINGS WHICH I HAVE SAID IN THE OTHER BLOGGS BY THE FOLLOWING WAY: 1 DOES IT LINE UP WITH THE CHARACTER AND NATURE OF GOD AS REVEALED IN ALL THE BIBLE 2 DO I ACTKNOWLEDGE JESUS TO BE THE CHRIST AND SON OF GOD WHO DIED AND ROSE FROM THE TOMB 3 DOES IT LITERALLY COME TO PASS 4 DOES PEOPLE BELIEVE ON THE LORD AS A RESULT OF WHAT I HAVE SAID. GOD BLESS YOU

  82. JoAnn, God Bless you sister ! It’s obvious that you are being led by the Holy Spirit and the fruits are evident in your responses. We pray for those who don’t have eyes to see and ears to hear.

    • Taskforce: I just remembered that I called you “brother.” I just assumed that you were a man. I didn’t consider that you might be a woman. Sooo, of you are a sister, please forgive me. In my post, I should have said brother/sister. Peace.

    • Taskforce: Thank you brother. I think the same thing about you. We can only sow the seed. It is up to the Holy Spirit to grab the hearts. Jesus wanted His Church to be One. He prayed for that in the garden before He died. 16 centuries after He established His Church, it was separated. If you ask me, I think that could be considered a “deadly wound.” All the people that chose a wider path than staying on the “narrow” one have lost so much. What is sad is that they don’t even realize it. They are depending on their own interpretations (Peter warned about that in 2 Peter 1:20) and just about every denomination differs regarding Bible interpretation. They are all saying “they have the truth.” There is only one truth. The Holy Spirit is a God of Truth, not confusion. The Holy Spirit that guides the Catholic Church (as Jesus promised It would) has the fullness of the Truth. Remember when Philip was in the desert with the eunich who was reading Isaiah and Philip asked him if he understood what he was reading? The eunich said “How can I unless someone shows me?” Philip explained to the eunich what he was reading which resulted in the eunich being Baptized. Act 8:26-39. To receive our Lord and Savior in the Holy Eucharist is the most awesome and intimate gift that Jesus left us besides salvation through His death. Before Jesus ascended into Heaven, He told us that “He would “never leave us,” even until the end of time.” Jesus is here right now, every day, every hour, every minute in the Catholic Church because that is how Jesus set up His Church. Taskforce, I know you know all this. I am just writing this for the benefit of those who may have “ears to hear and eyes to see.” Peace, my friend. Your sister in Christ.

  83. syndog: I would like to modify my response to you, dated 12/5. We were talking about an “institution.” When I reread it, I realized that wasn’t what I meant at all, so I want to correct it. That “institution” you are referring to, is the very “institution” Jesus Himself established. Yes, by all means, we rely on that “institution’s” teachings because that “institution” is the true Word of God. You forget that Jesus promised that “institution” will be guided and protected by the Holy Spirit. Hence, it can make NO errors regarding the teachings of Jesus. Jesus promised the “gates of Hades” would not prevail against it. Hence, that “institution” has been in existance for 2000 yrs. Please refer to Mt. 16:18-19, Mt. 18:17-18, Mt. 28:18-20, Mk. 16:15-16, Lk. 10:16, Jn. 16:13, Jn. 14:16, 26 and 1 Tim. 3:15. Those should be a good start for you, if you are really interested. Oh, and Happy New Year, my friend. May the Lord shower you with many blessings, Peace.

  84. Forgive me if I am wrong but does the pope not see himself as the ultimate link between man and god, I was under the impression this was Jesus ?

    • Steve,
      Anyone guilty of these things will never have eye’s to see their wrongdoing, nor will those that follow the wrongdoers have eye’s to see. Mark 3v28-30 says to not go against or blaspheme the Holy Spirit, for this is an unforgivable sin. Jesus told His disciples that He had to go back to the Father so the Holy Spirit would come and take His place. It’s the power of Gods Spirit that reveals all things of God and His word, for those that are born again are born into the Spirit of God. There is an inter working of Gods Power in His people that reveals the mysteries of His Kingdom and His Kingdom is summed up in Christ. The deity of Jesus is God, in other words Jesus is the son of God, Gods Seed is God. We have none any greater in heaven, that’s above all and His name is Jesus!! When a pope or a priest is used to take the place of Christ and deny the work of the Spirit, there has been a sin committed that’s unforgivable. There are many that have blind eye’s to this truth, that’s why there is always an argument or defense given to the man that takes the place of Christ and His Spirit. These religions don’t deny Christ is Savior and He rose from the grave nor do they deny there is a work of the Holy Spirit, but they don’t submit to His power or teach it, because men are given the reins instead. This insult to God cannot be denied. There is scripture such as Matthew 23, the entire chapter speaks of this very evil that’s happening today. In this chapter of Matthew, Jesus says not to call any man rabbi or father, because we have One Teacher which is Jesus and we have One Father in heaven, no man can claim these names and get away with it. God judges His own before He judges the world. The world will not be judged until His return to earth. As we can see those that are not of Christ or in the family of God are those in the world and the world is still calling there temple leaders rabbi and father. This cannot be denied. Absolutely NO MAN! are allowed these names with the body of Christ. This tells us who we follow and who we do not follow. We are not to follow any man that is given these names, for they are in open rebellion against God the Father and God the Son and to top it all off the Spirit of God is denied His open leadership. There is no argument about what I have just wrote, all one has to do is read these scriptures and decide for yourself whom will you follow God or man? Any one that denies what God says has denied the Truth, and the Truth is not in them, so therefore they are blind and deaf without understanding. God is not about religion and technical’s of a church service, He is not interested in people confessing their most private sins to a man in hopes of being forgiven, this is what takes the place of Christ in the worst way, because it’s makes the cross and the resurrection of Christ of no effect. God requires a personal intimate marriage with each one of His people. In a marriage, we don’t go and tell another person our issue’s and hope they reveal to our spouse, we go strait to our spouse. Our spouse would be humiliated and hurt if we told someone else about a personal matter. What good would our spouse be if we couldn’t go to them with every area of our life. This is a lack of faith and trust and truthfully it’s unbelief in who God says He is to His people. No man is given authority under heaven to do the things a pope or priest or rabbi or any other Christian leader does that keeps the Power of Gods Spirit at bay and blasphemes His authority given from heaven.

      • With all due respect -Satan wants to confuse us all mix us up, wants people to argue, we are not saved by works-oh we should do our best as we are directed and he would have us do, he gives us examples, so many it is as if a Veil is over a person’s eyes, study & what I do Please do not take this as an Attack upon you at all. I’m 54 and I study, I have found as I have studied I may read something 1,000 times then one day I understand what is meant. In the Bible he says seek so we all seek, for truths. It helps me to read what each person feels, it actually gives me more understanding about each verse. Then the Books-we all are reading different text-the one thing I can see-is each of you seek-wish to know the truth. In seeking with one another, as we are doing we shall in his time open the veil will be lifted so we understand more. Re-read, I know I make many mistakes. I also know if I do my best, but believe that Jesus lived then died for us is part of what the directions for us to do, repent, be
        Baptized, meet with like minded and study the word. { TRUE HAPPENING WAS ON T,V. } I became aquatinted with a man who had a tattoo upon his forearm in the 80′s it was supost to be Christ, he as well was very spiritual and it is more difficult at the age of 20′s to find those now who seek truth. This man in all Earnest did just as I. Well, if you are from USA, then you recall the disaster in “WACO TEXAS.” I managed a business in the capital of Arkansas. My friend came to the business and ask can I see you tonight I have found like minded people who believe. I said okay come, he said there is a group in Waco Texas, they all believe and know the end is near this is where you and I must go. Then he ask me to drop all I was doing and said come you stay there and I shall drive 18 wheeler and I give my money. I said ” NO ” it states in the Bible they say look go here or here and it is plain says ” DO NOT GO. ” Can you imagine my thoughts when I saw those Tanks and the bull horn eventually the USA killing women and children, they said { USA} we know not who shot first. I watched on T.V. As it burned to the ground. I just thought back to the 3 years prior when the friend had came to ask me to come there and stay. I did not, how I remembered what the scripture said do not go. I did not and now I wonder what he thinks, he still drives a truck, but I have not seen him since then. I became injured and working 50 miles from home town so I moved back to my home town. I really understood we have to be very careful how we read . I personally think we should read and re-read many times. I’m now age 54, back then I was in my 30′s. I’m so glad I did not go, there was another clue; the leader told them one person would have to take the Mark of the beast to get food for everyone else. THIS IS BY NO WAY CORRECT- where does it say this. Thanks, and I will continue my study.

      • sherry and Steve: You are so wrong, sherry. You are picking words from the Bible that you want to believe and dismissing ones you do not agree with. If no one is to be called “father” then Jesus is contradicting Himself as He calls Abraham “Father Abraham.” Mt. 3:19. God wouldn’t have given us the commandment “Honor your “father” and your mother.” Mt. 19:19 “Brethren and “fathers” listen: The God of glory appeared to our “father” Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia before he dwelt in Haran. Acts. 7:2. Brethren and “fathers” hear my defense before you now. Act. 22:1 “Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, “who is the father of us all.” (as it is written “I have made you a “father” of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed – God. who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did.” Rom 4:16-17 “I do not write these things to shame you, but as my “beloved children” I warn you. For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet “I have “became your “father” in Christ Jesus through the Gospel.” 1 Cor. 4:14-15. To Timothy, a “true son in the faith.” 1 Tim. 1:2 To “Titus, as true “son” in our common faith.” Titus 1:4 “I appeal to you for “my son” Onesimus, whom I have begotten while in my chains.” Philm. 10 “I write to you “fathers” because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, because you have known the Father. I have written to you, “fathers,” because you have known Him who is from the beginning. 1 John 2:13-14 Paul has referenced himself as the Christians “father” many times. sherry, you are taking Jesus’ words out of context. Jesus meant that we should not call anyone “father” with the “same” worship and adoration that we give to our heavenly Father. Jesus also said “Call no one “teacher.” How many times have we called our instructors of whatever, “teacher.” Mostly when we were young. But it is the same context. “Call no one “teacher” with the same worship, adoration and respect that we give to Jesus. A good example is those men who have set up their “cults” like in Waco and “Heaven’s Gate” and set themselves up as “father” or Jesus. AND, there is proof positive “in Scripture” that Jesus gave His Apostles all of His powers. The “priesthood” was established at the Last Supper when Jesus instituted the Mass and the Eucharist and told His Apostles to do the same thing. Whether you want to believe it or not, our Pope, Bishops and Priests are “direct successor” of the Apostles. The Pope, of course, being the “direct successor” of Peter. It’s all in the Bible. You just refuse to accept it. Our Pope, Bishops and Priests are “acting for Christ” when they hear confessions, (which Jesus told them to do) say Mass, and all other clergical actions that they do because Jesus passed His power to them. No one is proclaiming to be God or exalting themselves as God, they are doing what Jesus told them to do. I’m sorry, but the very Church that you are condemning is the very Church that gave you the very Bible that you read and study. In the latter part of the 4th century, Pope Damasus, along with “Fathers and Doctors” of the Church determined which of the ancient manuscripts and the writings of the NT were inspired by God and then put together the “Canon of the Bible.” This is easily verified if you would research Church history. The very Mass that is celebrated today, everyday, is the very same worship service that was celebrated by the early Christians/Catholics in the catacombs while they were hiding from their persecutors. Catholics worship God, “ONLY” God, and the Mass is one of the ways we do it. One book you can research is titled “The Mass of the Early Christians” by Mike Aquilina, a very good resource. There are tons of other books out here. Please refrain from trying to describe Catholic worship and teachings, when you yourself, admit to not knowing much about them. Read “What Catholics Really Believe” by Karl Keating. Read “The Faith of Our Fathers.” It’s a Tan publication. It’s a plain exposition and vindication of the Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ. It delves into the historical background of virtually everything people find hard to understand about our religion. This book will confirm the truth of the Catholic Church like none other. That is, if you want to know the truth and accept it. Jesus the (Rock) founded His Church on Peter. Peter means rock. His name was Simon. Jesus changed it to Peter because Jesus knew that He was going to make Peter, the keeper of His Church until Jesus returns. Jesus gave Peter the “keys to the Kingdom of God” (Jesus’ Church) and told Peter that “He who rejects you, rejects Me, and he who rejects Me, rejects the One who sent Me. Soo, whoever “rejects Jesus’ Church, rejects Jesus and the One who sent Him. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

        • Joann, I did not say that none were called father, I’m saying according to Gods word in the new testament that we are no longer to refer anyone of spiritual influence or as leader are to be called rabbi or father. These are Jesus words not mine. This is an argument that you will have to take up with Him. I did not write His words, He did. Did Jesus say to call these men what you do today? NO!! Nowhere in scripture will you see this command. When you refer to Abraham, he was a prophet of the old covenant a father of nations. You and I both know that this is entirely different than what goes on today. Men have given themselves these titles as to take the place of Christ and blaspheme the Holy Spirit of God. What’s the travesty is yours and their eye’s are blinded to this truth because the Truth is not in you or them. This is not your fault, it’s because of the traditions of men that God is so against, that has filtered in for so many years that people are immune to the falsehood of it. I’m not cherry picking scripture to say what I want, I could care less about what I want, it’s about what God wants not man. How can I cherry pick scripture when the whole chapter of Matthew 23 tells what I explained before. You have made your mind up that man is more important than God or you would not defend you faith in men and honor them instead of honoring God alone. People today cannot function without following what men say, this tells where people hearts are. I can follow God without what men say or do, because I have the Holy Spirit that leads me into truth and His holiness. His holiness is NOT man, It’s GOD ALL MIGHTY creature of the universe. How could anyone disgrace God by calling a man holy father. This is blaspheme against God our Father in heaven. It makes me sick to even think of it. I can’t imagine how it makes God feel. There is no convincing you though, your mind is already a probate that chooses to believe based on the traditions of men. I’m not even going to converse about the Lord’s Supper that you mentioned. This is putting Christ to open shame that His death on the cross is not finished, that you think you are literally eating and drinking the flesh and blood of Christ, how disgusting!! The Lords Supper is to be a memorial to Him that we remember what it took for Him dying and shedding His blood for remission of sin. Jesus said as often as you do this, do it in remembrance of Me. Eating the flesh or body of Christ mean to be fully nourished by His word, His word the bible is flesh to the believer and that we would die to self and be submerged in Him and drinking His blood is to allow His blood to flow through us for remission of sin. This is on a spiritual level with God because God is Spirit and He desires to be worshipped in Spirit and Truth. God is not concerned about outward elements of anything to be seen by men, He is concerned of our inner man, do we have His Holy Spirit or don’t we? This is a personal question that only you can answer. When you were saved and born again, did God give you the power of His Spirit, His power that consumes and brings Light to a dark and dying world? A power that consumes your every fiber and intellect? This is a power that is supernatural and cannot be explained by man. If you have Gods Spirit indwelling your soul, you will definitely know it. He cannot be denied. Joann I hear everything you say, but what you say is literal and works, it isn’t based on the Spirit of God and the Truth of the Gospel. This is where you and I differ.

          • sherry: You and I Do differ. So, I guess we have come to an impasse regarding this subject. But it was enlightening to get your perspective of Scripture. Scripture is very plain to me and what I have commented is what “Scripture” AND Jesus’ representatives are telling my heart. We cannot dismiss “Sacred Traditions” (God-made). If we do, then we are only getting part of the entire picture. It’s like reading a book with chapters missing. Even the Bible tells us that it is NOT the Bible alone or Faith alone. Jesus’ disciples passed down His teachings through the leaders of His Church AND the Bible, and the Bible tells us that the “pillar and foundation of truth” is the Church” NOT the Bible. 1 Tim 3:15. Private interpretation is dangerous. That’s why we have over 30,000 different denominations telling us that each one of them have the truth, and each and every one of them is teaching a different “truth.” Truth cannot be found by private interpretation. Even Peter says that. Jesus left us a “teaching authority” with His Church. He told His disciples to “go and “preach” the Gospel, not write a book. And, since we didn’t have “the Book” for 4 centuries, we cannot dismiss the teachings that come to us by “word of mouth.” It is John himself that tells us in John 21:23 that “there are many other things that Jesus did and taught, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.” Those “things” (also, the word of God) not in the Bible, are just as sacred as the teachings of Jesus that are in the Bible. To not accept them is NOT getting “all” of the truth. The Holy Spirit is a God of truth, not confusion and since Jesus promised that His Church, that He alone established, would be guided by the Holy Spirit, that means that His Church is incapable of making any errors regarding His teachings. If Jesus Himself can call Abraham “Father Abraham” and the early Church called their spiritual teachers “fathers” then and even to this day, I have no worries about my salvation. I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit dwells within me. He’s been there since the day I was Batptized and He has never let me down. Peace AND Happy New Year. Your sister in Christ.

    • CM: Could you tell me where you read or heard that information? The Pope CANNOT change “Sacred Doctrine,” only man-made traditions. Peace

  85. Snydog , Can you please explain why you have rejected Jesus’ instructions to receive the holy Eucharist? Why do you ignore his message regarding this? Is your reason for ignoring and rejecting it based on your views on Catholicism? If you find scripture that supports Catholics, you simply ignore it? Please explain why Jesus said “Take this all of you and eat it, this is my body which has been given to you .. do this is memory of me” … and later Jesus further explained “without it you have no life in you” … and yet you choose to ignore and reject these instructions by Jesus? Are you able to recognize the connection and the significance between the Passover lamb and its blood applied to the doorposts , and Jesus our Lamb of God ? Do you realize the Jews had to eat the lamb after applying its blood? Catholics eat the Lamb too because Jesus instructed us to do it. At the Catholic Mass the Priest says “Jesus the Lamb of God, happy are those who are called to his supper” … and we eat at the supper as instructed. Isn’t it interesting how the Book of Revelation prepares us for a similar supper? When Jesus accepts his bride to the wedding supper feast? Do you think Jesus appreciates his children who are able to eat at the supper here on earth by faith alone? Catholics join in the supper of the Lamb at every Mass … and you reject the Mass? Who is Jesus looking at as worthy of being seated at his table of the wedding supper? Those who rejected his body and blood meal here on earth? Or is he pleased with those who by faith, held to the faith and did as he instructed us to do? Catholics obey Jesus and attend his supper here on earth, even as his church is attacked and rejected by other “Christians”. I believe Jesus is well pleased with those who are humble in heart and attend the supper of the Lamb, who aren’t walking around with big ego and bragging that “they know it all , and they are 100% sure about everything, and they reject the Catholic faith and the Eucharist which is the body and blood of the Lamb of God” … Christians today need to take a lesson in humility, and stop attacking the church that Jesus established. They need to do some soul searching and praying and ask God to lead them to the truth about what they are missing in the holy Eucharist. Why would Jesus say that “without it, you have no life in you” ?? This seems to be the scripture that should drive misguided or confused Christians to want to join a Catholic church and receive the Eucharist. Can any of you explain why you would reject this vital instruction from Jesus? And even if you rejected it , explain why you would dare spend any of your Christian life attacking the church that centers itself on the body and blood of our Savior? It’s one thing to reject and not follow, but for you to attack and try to undermine? Wow , have you considered the consequences of being wrong? Imagine having to explain why you helped satan lead others away from the true Catholic church that Jesus established through the Apostles? Be careful.

  86. sherry: I’m glad to hear that you want to study other Scriptures. I have already studied the Protestant Bible. You will be surprised to learn that the only difference between the Protestant Bible and the Catholic Bible is that the Protestant Bible is missing 7 books that Luther removed himself when he was excommunicated from the Catholic Church in the 16th century. The Catholic Bible is the original Bible that was assembled in the 4th century by the Catholic Church. Nothing has ever been changed. It’s still the same as in the 4th century. Before the Bible was assembled, the teachings were all by word of mouth or by letters written by the Apostles, Sacred Traditions and the writings of the prophets. Protestantism started with Martin Luther. Receiving the Eucharist is not a work. It is a command from Jesus. I kind of thought you misunderstood it. If you are getting info about the Catholic Faith from ex-Catholics, you are not receiving good information. Usually, when Catholics leave the Church, they really don’t understand the Faith either. That’s why they left. Jesus said “unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have no life in you.” Some of the disciples knew that Jesus meant it litterally because they “walked away.” “It was hard for them to hear.” And Paul tells us “He who eats and drinks without “recognizing” the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.” 1 Cor. 12:29 sherry, I am really pleased that we are having such great dialogue between us. Thank you. And a thank you to the moderators who are allowing us to share our thoughts and feelings. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

    • To Joann – you said ” And Paul tells us – He who eats and drinks without “recognizing” the body, eats and drinks judgement on himself.” You then gave 1 Corinthians 12:29 – that scripture says nothing like that. Do you want to correct yourself and if so, give me the scripture that says what you stated.

      • daveS: Hey, dave. Happy New Year. Thank you for verifying that. I meant 1 Cor. 11:29. Sorry for the typo. These 70 plus yr old fingers are not as good as they used to be. And thank you for reading my post. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

        • To JoAnn – Happy New Year to you also. I’m 64 and in most cases, cant by memory quote the exact location of scriptures like I used to be able to do.
          We are very fortunate to have a website like this one where various opinions can be given and have civil debate.
          Have a good day.

          • daveS: I agree. As long as it is with love and consideration and not condemnation. Instead of accusing of false doctrines, it would be more civil if a question was asked as to why we believe what we do. Not, you believe in false doctrines and Catholics are going to Hell. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

  87. syndog: Hello, my friend. syndog, we have communicated many times regarding your question about salvation. With our dialogue and my comments to others, you should know already how I believe we are saved. It is through the Blood of Jesus and Jesus alone. I have expressed that many, many times. That is what I have always believed. Regarding my comment about homosexuality, I thought that by my numerous comments about salvation through Jesus, it would have been “obvious” I knew it would include being Baptized and accepting Jesus’ sacrifice. But since it is the “activity” that is the sin and not the “persuasion,” a homosexual is saved BY JESUS as long as they do NOT engage in homosexual acts. I will try to be more specific in the future. I hope that your question was sincere and you were not trying, in some way, to “trap” me into saying something that was not Gospel because I’m a Catholic. As far as my “come to Jesus” moment, I have already expressed that too. My education consisted of Catholic teachings all my life and by the time I was 5 yrs. old, I knew that Jesus was my Savior. That was 70 plus yrs. ago. When I was in my 30′s, I began to have some questions regarding some of the teachings only because non Catholics were asking me questions. I wanted to know more than “we walk by Faith.” Sooo I studied every major religion I could get information on, including the Catholic Faith so I would know what the differences were. I studied, extensively, the history of each Faith and to make a long story short, I found out that I was already “home.” The Catholic Church is all about Jesus. The worship service (Mass) is all about Jesus. The Bible is the salvation story from Genesis to Revelation. I studied the Bible more intensely and I realized it was a Catholic history book about Jesus. I read about the early fathers of the Church. I read about the holy people that carried on the Gospel by word and some with their lives. I read stories of avid anti-Catholics that used to hate the Catholic Church and why they converted to Catholicism. I researched all about what caused the Reformation in the 16th century. It really turned out to be a “revolution.” Martin Luther NEVER wanted a separation. He didn’t want to leave the Church. The people revolted and it got out of hand. Luther was heartsick over it because he really believed, with all of his heart, that the Eucharist was the “real presence” of Jesus, and he realized he was responsible for Catholics leaving the Eucharist. He was excommunicated from the Church and he could no longer receive the Eucharist either. He was devoted to Jesus’ mother, Mary. He prayed to her all the time and believed all the Catholic teachings about her. There is a documentary entitled “Martin Luther” that was being offered by the PBS Network. It is NOT a Catholic production (in case you might think it’s biased) I don’t know if they still offer it, but if you’re interested you can contact them. To leave the Catholic Faith is to leave Jesus and I would NEVER do that. I gave my life to Jesus many, many, MANY yrs. ago. So much for making the story short. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

    • JoAnn, no not trying to trap, I just wanted to make sure. Do Catholics believe that salvation can be lost? Just wondering. I believe we all have to have a specific moment of clarity when we realize that we are lost and bound for eternal damnation, then falling on our knees we confess our sins and ask Jesus for forgiveness. I have that specific moment and I pray that you and everyone on this board has had a similar moment, a rebirth. My hope and trust is in him. And I know without a doubt that I will spend eternity in his presence. Jesus however says in Mt 7: 21-23 that not everyone that calls him Lord Lord will be saved. Lots of people say they believe in him and yet have not accepted his free gift and put their faith and trust in him. I agree that non-Catholics should not criticize Catholics and vice-versa. We can be of different denominations and still love and pray for each other. Merry Christmas!!

      • syndog: Yes, Catholics believe we can lose our salvation even after that “come to Jesus moment.” Some people, after having accepted the gift, for some reason will backslide and turn their back on Jesus. They may choose to live a lifestyle not acceptable to the Lord. But, like you say, they can have a “rebirth” by “sincerely” repenting and turning away from a grieviously sinful lifestyle. We do not believe “once saved, always saved.” We are still humans with flaws and although we try our best not to sin, we still do. If the sin is not real serious (like a little fib or something) we are still in God’s grace but we still have to repent and try hard not to do it again. BUT, if the sin is a grievous sin (like murder or something) we fall out of grace with God. I know this sounds like a “Catholic thing” but it is straight out of 1 John 5:16-20. (John refers to the sins as “deadly” and “not deadly.” The deadly sin John is talking about is what Catholics refer to as “mortal sins.” “Deadly” means “spiritual death.” If one is commiting “deadly/mortal sins” he will lose his salvation unless he repents, confesses the sins, makes restitution for the sins and does not ever commit those sins again. A sin that is not “deadly,” is what Catholics refer to as “venial sins.” We do not lose our salvation because of those types of sins. Those are sins that ALL of us commit on a daily basis, sometimes not even realizing it. Every night before I go to sleep, I say a prayer to God, repenting for “venial” sins that I might have committed during that day. I agree with you 100% when you say non-Catholics should not criticize Catholics and vise-versa.” Paul tells us that we “should work out or salvation with fear and trembling.” I believe that is something that we ALL are doing in our own “special” way and I know our souls will recognize each other when we all go “home” to Jesus. A very blessed and Merry Christmas to you too. Your sister in Christ.

        • JoAnn It saddens me that Catholics are unsure of their salvation in light of the fact that there are so many (more than 300) verses that espouse security of the believer in one way or another. (Rom. 8:38,39) is one of the best. Those who believe they can lose their salvation are not putting their total trust in the perfect finished work of Christ. They are placing their faith in Christ plus their works plus a religious institution to preserve their salvation. God’s word says salvation is only by faith in Jesus Christ alone. If a person believes their salvation can be terminated by something they do or do not do, then they have concluded that their actions or lack thereof are an integral part of their salvation. How can someone who is not eternally secure ever know if they are saved? Those who reject eternal security undermine the love of Christ. Christ’s love is only conditional upon the works of the individual. Those that reject eternal security must focus on themselves and their actions in order to secure their salvation rather than focusing on God as the “author and finisher” of their faith. I know you know 1 Jn 2:1-3 this passage to me sums it up best, because Jesus is accepted by the Father, Jesus can intercede on behalf of the believer. The Christian can therefore, be assured that his salvation is safe and secure in Christ even when we fail him. Jesus explicitly states in the gospel of John that he came to earth to do the will of the Father so that man may have eternal, everlasting life based upon his sacrificial work upon the cross, it seems to me that rejection of the eternal security of the believer would undermine that sacrifice. JoAnn I believe that you can know for sure without a doubt. My prayers are with you. Tomorrow is Christmas Eve, have a blessed holiday.

          • syndog: Don’t put words in my mouth. You are hearing what you want to hear and not what I said. We do NOT put our trust in an “institution.” Our trust is in Jesus and Jesus alone. We obey ALL of Jesus’ words. Do you think that we are so illiterate that we cannot dicipher what the Bible says. You have so much misunderstanding about my Faith, it isn’t funny. Don’t you remember what Jesus said. “If you deny ME, I will deny you to the Father.” Not doing as Jesus says is turning our backs on God. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

          • syndog: Thank you for your prayers. Everyone can use them. I pray for you also. I guess that makes us “mediators.” Did you not pay any attention to 1 John 5:16-20? My salvation is secure because I don’t fall out of grace with God. Some people do. If they murder, commit adultery, have an abortion, live a lifestyle that is an “abomination” unto the Lord, they are not saved unless they repent and do not do those things again. What do you think Paul meant when he said, no fornicator, no idolator, etc will see the kingdom of Heaven. To die without repentence is a sin against the Holy Spirit. You know what Jesus said about that. They are not forgiven in this life or the next. You need to pay attention to the verse I quoted. John is saying very plainly that we can lose our salvation if we commit a sin that is “deadly” without repentence. The Bible is a Catholic book, written by the early Catholics TO Catholics. Don’t you think Catholics know what they meant when they wrote it? There were no Protestants, only Pagans in the time of Jesus. And when those Pagans converted, they converted to Catholicism. What don’t you understand about Jesus meaning His Church to be Universal (all over the world)? Katholikos is a Greek word for Universal. Translated in English, it means CATHOLIC. The NT was written in GREEK. We are all saved by the Blood of Christ, yes, Catholics too. But we cannot PURPOSELY live a life of great sin and turn our backs on Jesus and expect to be saved without repentence. We have condemned ourselves that way. Remember? Sins against the Holy Spirit? Do not commit the sin of “assuming” that we are saved and think we can live a sinful life deliberately. That could be very unwise. Sins that we don’t mean to commit, like the everyday discretions that all of us are guilty of because we are sinners is one thing. We ask God for forgiveness for those sins everyday, or at least we should. But to deliberately turn our backs on God is very, very foolish. Jesus tells us that very plainly. Don’t be sad for me. Our souls will see each other in Paradise one day and your eyes will be opened as to how mistaken you are/were about the Catholic Faith. Even Satan believes in Jesus, look where he is. Just believing isn’t enough. If we are to call Jesus Lord, then we are to “do” as He commands. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

  88. Wow: Admit to what? Spreading the Gospel. Of course, I admit it. NO ONE knows who or what is Mystery Babylon. That’s why it is called “Mystery.” All people will have “speculations or interpretations” of who or what they “THINK” Mystery Babylon is but the only person that has that information is GOD! Man is flawed and they will take Scripture and prophecy and fit whatever THEY BELIEVE into those Scriptures or prophecies, when Jesus Himself said that He didn’t even know. Unfortunately, that is at the risk of harming and insulting people, especially, clergy and Faiths. There is a good lesson about that in 1 Samuel 24:7. It seems “supposedly” good Christians want to overlook it. They take the risk of insulting God “ANOINTED.” To insult or defame the hightest “anointed” in the world, whether you believe it or not, without any proof whatsoever, is just plain foolish. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

  89. It’s funny how all of these people who attack Jesus’ Catholic church pick and choose which words they want to use from the bible to fit their own agenda. They cherry-pick certain scripture, and turn around and reject other scripture. But Catholics don’t do that , we obey the most important message from Jesus regarding his instructions to eat his body and drink his blood, he said that without doing this you have no life in you. So I think this whole debate ends right there. Catholics obey his instructions, we do have ears to hear and eyes to see, we are the good seed. But the others here who cast stones are the ones who reject his body and blood in the Eucharist and holy Mass. The protesting children refuse to accept the message and reject his instruction to eat the sacrificial lamb. This is where the truth shines.

  90. Wow: In the words of “JESUS,” “Baptize in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” I am more comfortable with the words of Jesus. Besides, Jesus could very easily have said “Baptize in My Name.” It would have been easier and shorter to say that. But He didn’t. Baptizing in the Name of Jesus only, doesn’t reveal to anyone who He is. Truly, Jesus IS the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit in One. James was Bishop over the Church in Jerusalem. Peter did not decide to build the Church in Rome. The reason the Church hierarchy ended up in Rome is because Peter was martyred in Rome, by cruicifixion under Nero’s orders. Peter was crucified upside down because he said he was not worthy to die the same way that our Lord died. Peter was “buried” in Rome and the Basilica is built over Peter’s grave. Do you understand that “all the world” makes Jesus’ Church “Universal?” Do you also understand that the NT was written in Greek? Do you also understand that the Greek word for “universal” is “katholikos”? Hence, the Greek word katholikos means “Catholic.” That’s why the church was called “Catholic” from Her birth. Does that make any sense? Peace. Your sister in Christ.

  91. This argument is completely acinine. Christ, through John specifically states not to add to NOR take away from. His words. By subjecting ones self to denominational doctorines, you do just that. A kingdom divided upon its self can NOT remain standing, by claiming denominations you have created riffs and divisions splitting up Christ’s church. We are followers of Christ, not Baptists or Catholics or Mormons or Jehovahs Witnesses. Either you love your God with all your heat and also your mind and love your neighbor as much as you love your own self….. or you don’t. If your prayers are directed to ANYONE but God or Jesus Christ– you are practicing idolatry.
    The time to quit beeping sheeple is at hand. Read your scriptures YOURSELF and contemplate what our Lord is telling you. If your studies are with a loving patient forgiving heart, the Holy Spirit will reveal to you His true message.
    When two or more are gathered together in His Name, there you have His Church. We are all called to be ministers of Christ, it is high time for all who claim to love the LORD to stop beating up each other with their interpretations of His Word, and time to start using it to help lift each other up.
    You can’t chew meat when you can’t stop choking on the milk!

  92. Before I get too busy and forget, I would like to wish all my brothers and sisters in Christ a very Merry and Blessed Christmas. In a few days, we will be celebrating the birth of our Lord and Savior, who loved us so much that He gave up His life for us. Let’s thank our Heavenly Father for all the gifts that He has so abundantly blessed us with, especially, the gift of His only and beloved Son, Jesus Christ. I will keep all of you in my prayers. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

    • Thank you JoAnn, and a very Merry Christmas to you too, may God continue to bless and keep you safe under the protection of the blood of Jesus Christ. We rejoice over the miraculous birth of our Savior through the Blessed Virgin Mary … we rejoice and praise God for his mercy and grace.

    • JoAnn,
      This is something else that is a tradition of men. God did not tell us in His word to celebrate Christ birth nor does Gods tell us when His birth happened. He said to remember His death, burial and resurrection. His birth date is totally unknown and God said to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. The Christmas celebrations has no merit and is not based on Gods Spirit or His Truth. December 25th belongs to pagans and how they worshipped their false sun god. God says not to go or learn the way of the heathens and He did not want worship in the same manner that was given to false gods, because He will not share His glory with another He is a jealous God and wants what belongs to Him based on His directions. We cannot give God anything we want to and think He will be OK with it. As long as we remember Him in doing so, is what we tell ourselves. NO!! this is false worship and God will always reject it. We should worship God year round with the same effort that we pour into a man made pagan holiday that is not of Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • sherry: We don’t know the date of Jesus’ death either, yet we commemorate it every Spring. sherry, I want you to think about this for a moment. When Jesus was born, Heaven was full of angels announcing the birth of Jesus. Shepherds left their flocks to go and see this wondrous thing and to worship the new born King. God provided the star of Bethlehem to lead the Magi from a far off land to come and worship His new born Son and they brought Him gifts. I think God made a great “fanfare” to be sure that everyone knew that His Son was born. Our Salvation! I don’t think God minds in any way, the fact that Christians today celebrate the birth of His Son, our Savior. So therefore, it was God-made not man-made. Yes, the date of Dec. 25 was man-made because that was the beginning of a new season and Jesus makes all things new. Dec. 25 is no longer a Pagan holiday. Man converted it from Pagan to Christian to let the Pagans know that there is only one God and Creator of the universe. Man was telling them that they must give up their worship of idols and come to the true God. That’s why all Pagan holidays were “hi-jacked” by Christians. God works in mysterious ways. Not everything that was evil at one time is still evil. Do you really know the story of the “secular” Santa? That would be a good true story that you can research. You need to give up old superstitions and accept God’s workings with man-kind. All things are possible with God. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

        • JoAnn, Take a look at http://www.bethlehemstarmovie.com a DVD called “The Star of Bethlehem” that unlocks the mystery of the world’s most famous star. This is a Scholars debate whether the Star of Bethlehem is a legend created by the early church or a miracle that marked the advent of Christ. This was a real astronomical event; an event that declares the Glory of God using NASA computer programs allowing one to see astronomical events and placement of stars as they were during any time in earth history. You will be amazed how the stars, planets, etc., foretell the story of Christ’s birth, the day of the Crucifixion, etc., and how the placement of these bodies can tell the exact days that these events took place. It also gives the date and why we celebrate Christmas on the 25th. It speaks of the Constellations such as Virgo (the virgin), clothed with the Sun, with the King Planet (Jupiter), with the Moon at her feet (a Blood Red Moon at the time), and the twelve stars at her crown (the Constellation Leo “representing the 12 tribes of Israel”). The presentation also give information regarding these celestial events and how the placement of stars and planets relate to them. A bonus to the whole DVD is that at the moment of Christ’s death on the cross, one can see a constellation as viewed from the moon looking at the earth called the Aries the Ram. At that vary moment, Christ was being sacrificed as the “Lamb of God” who takes away the sins of the world. It’s an awesome depiction of Psalm 19 which in part declares, “The heavens declare the glory of God, the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world…” JoAnn, you are very knowledgeable, and the DVD will make you even more so in your presentations. Another thing I might recommend is to view another DVD called, “Blood Moons: Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs,” about a Tetrad where four consecutive lunar eclipses that will take place from April 15 to Sept. 28, 2015, including two Solar eclipses, all taking place on Jewish Feast days. This has only taken placed three times in the past 300 years, each taking place on Jewish Feast days and occurring during times affecting the Jews and the State of Israel. These were: in 1492 when Spain cast out the Jews from their land, and the very next month Columbus set sail for America (a land that would be a refuge for the Jews). The second event of the Tetrad was 1949-1950 where the Jews returned to their homeland Israel and their state was created in 1948. The last Tetrad was during the 1967 6-day war, where the Jews recaptured Jerusalem as their Capital, regained their language (Hebrew Language). All these events are in Bible prophesy. The DVD is authored by Mark Blitz a Protestant minister, one of our separated brothers in Christ, yet a good Christian. The DVD can be found on Amazon or at Blitz’s site. A google search of the Blood Moons will pull up this info. All these events and the Blood Moons Tetrad events have been confirmed by NASA.
          God Bless you.

        • JoAnn,
          I don’t base my reasoning on superstitions. I base my reasoning on Gods word alone and what it says, and what it doesn’t say I do my best to stay away from whatever. You and I both know that what people do at Christmas and how they celebrate is paganism and we give paganism to God as worship. Why do we use an evergreen tree, decorate it and put gifts around it, why do we use candles and mistletoe?? All of these things are what pagans did to worship their sun god on December 25th. This to me is recycling what was pagan and giving God the same worship as a false god received. This is very troubling to me, and I know in my heart and according to Gods word that following anything that the pagans started and how they worshipped and to think we have allowed such practices to take place in the body of Christ is an abomination to God Almighty. In my own opinion, I would rather be safe than sorry, so this is why I will not go with the flow of what others do, I choose God at His word, than to follow men.

        • JoAnn,
          I appreciate your heart for Christ, but God is very strict about how He wants to be worshipped. How can we make a truth out of something that’s always been false concerning our God? I know the story of Christ’s birth as I have studied in detail, and why we do what we do when God did not authorize it or command it. We cannot do what we want to because this is how the world does it, whatever the it is, concerning God. God called me to open my eyes because He wanted to show me some things He hates. This was after being alone with Christ for a year in prayer and seeking. Christmas today is idolatry and no one can argue against that. God is more worthy of pure worship, not giving Him leftovers of what use to be on a certain day that did not belong to Him. We have to know the character of God and is nature toward His people. You said man changed what used to be pagan to a Christian day, did God say to do this?? Did He tell men to cut down an evergreen fasten it with nails and decorate it because it’s a symbol of eternal life? NO,NO,NO He did not ,I’m sure you have read Jeremiah 10. God says to not even think the way the Heathen’s thought let alone do what they do. People today use a lot of the same elements that the pagans used to worship our Savior, how can this be? I did a study on the Tabernacle and the Holy of Holies several years back. This lesson is very detailed, very organized, no confusion, only holiness. I had to repent during this time because I was following what men said and not what God said. God said His worship is to be based on Spirit and Truth, and God does not change yesterday, today, and forever. Can you tell me with all certainty that December 25th and the way people celebrate is based on Gods Spirit and the Truth of His word?? We know according to the Hebrew calendar during the time Jesus was born, was sometime in September, but we don’t know for certain. There is no absolute truth about any of it, not even Easter, and I don’t celebrate Christ on Easter either, this is another pagan day given to a false god. I refuse to give God leftovers of what used to be. I remember the Lord’s death, burial and resurrection in my heart and soul every day, not one day a year. God did not say to celebrate and go the way of the world on His behalf. Peoples eye’s are blind to this truth. Jesus said the way to Him is very small and the road traveled with the Lord is very narrow. Jesus said this for a reason. There is a lot of common since when it comes to Gods word, but most don’t even use that, they just follow what everyone else is doing. Most of what people do today is based on there wants and how it will make them feel, God calls this the Flesh and what self wants and we know Christmas is a feel good time. I truly believe we should stay true to God and His word with what ever we do, We cannot add to it nor take away. We are adding to the word when we do things God did no instruct and we take away when we do not do what God commands. This is the same reason I do not go by what men say if It’s not in the scripture’s.

          • God says those that love me obey my word and follow me. Yes God knows the heart, but the heart is deceitful above all things. When we do not obey Gods word and continue with wrong doing, this is continual sin that has not been repented of. It is sin to worship God with the same elements that was given to false gods. There is no getting away from this. We cannot worship God how we choose and think He is OK with it because it makes us feel good. God will condemn worship that is contrary to His word and direction. God demands obedience not idolatry.

          • sherry: We will never agree on God’s goodness and understanding. The only thing God hates is SIN. He loves man, even a sinful man. He knows man is not perfect. And there is no sin too great that God will not forgive if the repentence is sincere. ONLY GOD KNOWS THE HEART and He will accept all “glory” that man offers Him because that “glory” was given with a loving and dutiful and repentant heart. Even Jesus talks about glorifying God and that He will be glorified as well also. No one is worshipping any false idols when they are glorifying THE God. Like I said, God knows the heart. God is just and all MERCIFUL. He will NOT condemn any effort man makes to glorify Him as long as it is done with a contrite heart. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

      • When I said to worship God year round, I meant will the same zeal, giving to the needy, being with family and friends, Loving one another, but most of all remembering Him with our best worship just because we Love Him so much. God is worthy of these efforts year round.

  93. JoAnn … Thank you my sister in Christ. I love reading your posts too. I have responded many, many times but the moderators rarely allow my posts to appear on this board. The truth must hurt?

    • @Taskforce: They do that to me too. Sometimes I have butted in when you were the one being addressed. I’m sorry about that. But when I read such fallacious comments coming from our Protestant brothers and sisters, I have to put my 2 cents in. And, that is probably what it is worth to them. Feel free to do the same thing to me. Honestly, I just don’t know where they get some of their info.. No wonder they have such disdain for the Catholics. 99.9% of the time they are so misguided. Your sister in Christ.

  94. Revelation 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Does this remind of anyone? She sits and claims to be the True Church, and doesnt have a clue. Babylon Babylon that great city has fallen, and I John marveled and the angel asked why do you marvel for I will show you the mystery of this woman, She is a Mother of Harlots and Abominations, she sits on 7 hills and rules over nations and tongues and multitudes of people, she’s that great city. Vatican City the smallest internationally recognized independent state in the world by both area and population. Has committed Fornication with the kings of the earth. Wake up Vatican is Mystery Babylon

    • Wow,
      The Mother of Harlots also has daughters that are prostitutes. These spiritual prostitutes are committing spiritual adultery against the Lord. She has other lovers that sicken the Lord. The catholic church is not the only one committing adultery. She the catholic church is the harlot but her daughters are clones. Any church that has instituted any man made traditions of pagan heathen influence and that has one man taking the place of Christ within the congregation are involved with idol worship. This is something the lord detest and the church has defiled her clothing. Her light has gone out spiritually and she is blind and naked. This is happening world wide on every street corner. The devil is more cunning and deceitful to just pick on one church. There is confusion in most, if not all, and we know the Lord is not the master of confusion. When we look at Jesus on the pages of scripture and we see how he was toward those in the temple and the religious leaders, He was angry more than not. If Jesus was in the flesh of a man today like He was back in His time on earth, would He come into our fellowship and be pleased with how the church operates and conducts itself??? This is the question, because what’s in a man’s heart will be acted out in what we call the church. Is it the true church or body of Christ, are any?

      • @ sherry: It is obvious that you have great passion and love for Jesus but don’t assume that I do not love my Lord. I gave my life to Him many, many, MANY yrs. ago. What you “think” you know about the Catholic Faith is terribly misguided. We do not substitute anyone for Jesus and never have. We worship God and NO ONE ELSE, contrary to what Protestants believe. Yes, we interpret the Bible differently. The NT was written by Jewish converts to Catholicism. We know what we meant when we wrote it. It is obvious we have come to an impasse. I can only suggest that your delving into early church history would be a great help in learning the “actual truth” about the Catholic Faith. Our clergy are “direct” successors of Jesus and the Apostles and Jesus gave all of His power to them to grow His Church in His absence. He gave them the power to do all that He could do, which is evident with their ability to perform miracles in Jesus’ name. Scripture verifies that. Our clergy represent Jesus. They do everything in Jesus’ name, NOT for or by themselves. It is the Holy Spirit that works through them. In 2 Cor. 5:18 Paul says: “Now all things are of God, who has “reconciled” us to Himself through Jesus Christ, AND HAS “GIVEN” US THE “MINISTRY” of reconciliation.” (confession)” Jesus also told them “he who hears YOU, hears ME, and he who rejects YOU, rejects ME, and he who rejects ME, rejects the ONE WHO SENT ME.” John 13:20 Paul tells us in 1 Cor. 12:28 “And GOD HAS APPOINTED THESE in the church, first Apostles, second Prophets, third teachers, after that miracle workers, healers, “ASSISTANTS,” “ADMINISTRATORS,” and those who speak in tongues.” I don’t know how much plainer the Bible can be? The NT was written in Greek and everytime they refer to the “Universal Church,” it is written KATHOLIKOS EKKLESIA – Catholic Church. Pride has nothing to do with it. Protestants are referring to Jesus’ Church as the “Harlot.” I would be mighty worried about that when it is time to meet Him. He may end up asking them the same thing He asked Paul. “WHY DO YOU PERSECUTE ME?” I think that if I were a Protestant, I would do extensive study in the “history of the Church” before I would make any more derogatory accusations against Jesus’ Church. Even David knew that. In 1 Sam. 24:7 David said “The Lord forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the “LORD’S ANOINTED”, as to lay a hand on him.” David was speaking of Saul when he had the perfect opportunity to kill him. David even regretted cutting off the end of Saul’s mantle. Whether you kill “GOD’S ANOINTED” physically or verbally, it is still very serious. In all the years that I have sat at worship service (Mass) I have never heard anyone of the cloth talk derogatorily about Protestant preachers and ministers or their “churches.” We have always been taught to LOVE OUR SEPARATED BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST. I ask “Where is the love from Protestants for your separated brothers and sisters?” I am very disappointed that on a supposedly “christian” network, I see nothing but disdain. Jesus said “Remember, if they hate you, they have hated Me first.” I think Catholics and the Catholic Church are in very good company. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

        • When we see the phrase “Christ’s church” or “Jesus’s church” or “His church” in the Bible, it is not to be taken in the literal sense of the word “church”. “Jesus’ church” is His people, His children, those who have accepted His gift of grace, those who have invited Him into their lives. He isn’t referring to a physical “church” or a denomination of church. He isn’t speaking of the Catholic Church anymore than He is speaking of the Baptist church. I am enjoying this conversation as a lifelong Christian and I admire the passion you all show for your Savior. My prayer is this….all who seek him will find the Truth, nothing added, nothing taken away, that we will all join HIM in Paradise some day.

          • Oh new girl here…replying to herself…LOL. Hey I just want to say that we should all search our hearts and pray that God will open our eyes to His truth…seek an ye shall find….and NOT only what validates what we have been taught. All this so that we may be open to His instruction and not that of religion.

        • JoAnn,
          Yes I believe God put leaders in place to help the body of Christ, but He did not intend for men to Lord over His people. God is not a respecter of persons and He gave His Holy Spirit to all those that believe and have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior. If you have the indwelling Spirit of God in your soul to lead and to guide you into all Truth, you have the same power and like wise I too have the same power within. God did not give all He is to a few good men, He gave His all to those who believe and follow Him. JoAnn you believe in Catholicism and I believe in an individual relationship with God the Father through Jesus Christ. What are traditions of men, paganism, idol worship that was brought into the body of Christ during the time of Constantine? Was he not a catholic that became a protestant when he declared the church to be institutionalized and made Sunday a national day of worship? Is this not what the pagans did along with heathen worship as they worshipped false gods on Sunday the first day of the week? There is just so much confusion with it all, I just choose to stay clear away from it. I no longer know who to believe. I choose to rest in Christ as He is my Sabbath rest, He is Manna from heaven and Living Water for my soul. I just desire to be led by Him in all His ways. There is a lot I do not know about Catholics and protestants alike. I know for certain as long as I seek Jesus and I keep my eye’s on Him, I cannot go wrong. Because He is all Truth. I don’t want what goes on with a bunch of stuff. The Lord has me in a place of absolute surrender to His Holiness and this is where I’ll stay.

          • sherry: Paul himself, changed the Sabbath to Sunday, not Constantine. He called it the “Lord’s Day.” The reason he did that is because Jesus is the NEW covenant and rose from the dead on “Sunday.” Peace. Your sister in Christ.

          • JoAnn,
            The way you understand scripture and the way I understand scripture is totally different. There is nothing I can do with works that will make me one with Christ, because my efforts will never be enough. The Eucharist that you talk about is not the literal body and blood of Christ, it is just a symbol of the Lord’s supper and the last supper that Christ had with His disciples. Jesus said when we park take of the bread and wine we are to do in remembrance of Him. The blood and body of Christ that you speak of are elements of His sacrificial death on the cross and His body is the word of God. There can be no salvation without the word which is His body and the blood of the Lamb that was shed at the cross of calvary for the washing away of sin. I believe according to Gods word that I am one with Christ because I am cleansed by His holy blood and because I am born again into a new creation in Christ, I have been given the Holy Spirit of God that reveals all truth to me. This is a supernatural event that happens when one surrenders there life to Christ. Unless we have all of Christ in His glory and follow the Living word of God, we cannot be one with Him. This is my understanding of Gods word that you call the Eucharist. God is not concerned of outward elements from the Eucharist to worship to prayers.
            Gods only concern is our heart. What is the content of our heart? Is it loving God and obeying the bible that is the Living Word of God or do we follow traditions and rituals and man? I only am going by, when I speak of Catholicism, what has been explained to me by dear friends of mine that were once devout Catholics along with there family that are now considered protestant because of their born again conversion by the Holy Spirit of God. These are people that have grown up for several generations in the catholic church, and yes I have taken their word for truth. I have not studied the Catholic bible, which I plan to do in the near future. I want to study many different faith bibles, the Koran, Torah, Mormon, Hinduism, etc. for the mere purpose of evangelism and seeking out lost souls that do not know Christ as Savior. It is my belief by faith that God indwells my soul, His power keeps me one with Christ and because His power is within me I can do nothing in my own strength. I would not change one minute in His presence to have any other than I already have. He is enough. He is the Eucharist for my soul, this is an inward transformation that I personally cannot do.

          • sherry: I respect your relationship with Jesus. I think it’s beautiful. And so is mine. Regarding Constantine, his conversion to Catholicism was a death bed conversion. I believe in Catholicism only because Catholicism has the true teachings of Jesus Christ. I’ve had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ever since my Baptism into the Body of Christ. My relationship with Jesus is individual and intimate because I partake in the Eucharist. When I receive the Eucharist, Jesus and I are one. Jesus said “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you.” I take that seriously. Everything the Lord has said and taught, I take very seriously. John tells us that there are many things that Jesus said and did that would never be able to be written down because there would not be enough books in the whole world to contain them. That’s the beauty of the Catholic Church, we have those teachings because they have all been handed down through the Church along with the Bible for 2000 yrs. Let’s just appreciate each of our relationships with Jesus and all I ask of you is to refrain from spreading false accusations about the teachings of my Faith that you admit yourself you don’t know that much about. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

        • There will always be confusion in the world we live in today especially with the doctrine of Christ. All I know is I will not under any circumstances follow traditions of men in the body of Christ or out of it. I choose to focus on Him and Him alone. I take full responsibility for any untruth I may have uttered out of ignorance. All I know for sure is that, my heart is sold out to the Lord Jesus Christ, as I am a slave to Him. If this is wrong,
          may the Spirit of God convict my soul that I may repent as I come to the Throne Room of God with my plea’s. I don’t need a priest to confess, I only need the One and Only Jesus Christ, He is my Priest, for He paved the way for me to go strait to God my Father who is in heaven. I don’t affiliate myself with denominations as they all preach a different Jesus than the One I know in the bible and the One that indwells my soul. I only answer for myself, I don’t have an answer for other people in their works or lack there of. I only know what the bible tells me and how I am to worship God and honor His Holy Name.

          • Jesus is not absent when it comes to His people, He lives in their souls by the power of His Spirit. God the Spirit is my teacher, my mediator, anything I need or any thing He needs in me, He is capable. Jesus told His disciples in John 16v7-8, I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away the Helper will not come to you unless I depart and I will send Him to you. When He has come He will convict the world of sin and of righteousness and of judgment of sin.
            John 14v25- The Holy Spirit who the Father will send in My Name, He will teach you all things, and bring to remembrance all things that I have said. Peace I leave with you and My peace I give to you, not as the world gives but what I give. Let not your heart be troubled and don’t be afraid. 2 Corinthians 3v16-17, When one turns to the Lord the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. I have excepted to Holy Spirit of God to be my teacher, my mediator, my unveiler, my Oil that keeps the Light in me burning bright. So when Jesus went to God the Father in heaven, He did not plan to keep us in the dark and alone, He has sent His Spirit to bring into foreknowledge all thing pertaining to Christ.

        • I want to make a correction. The NT was written by people that were converts to Catholicism and in Greek. I said Jewish converts and that is only partly right. Peace.

    • Tehran Iran sits on seven hills, and the Vatican is not in Rome, it is actually a separate State, an enclave surrounded by Rome

        • Wow – The Vatican is an independent State in ITALY. It has nothing to do with Rome. The Vatican has its own government and police force. Jerusalem is also known as having 7 hills and she is the only city that is called a “Harlot” in the Bible. I want you all to really think about the following: Jews and Muslims DENY Christ. ALL religions that DENY Christ are false religions. The Catholic Faith is ALL ABOUT CHRIST!! Just sayin’… Peace.

      • So you admit that Vatican is inside Rome and Rome is acutally known as the City that Sits on Seven Hills, when you google the city that sits on seven hills that first name that pop ups is Rome.

        • Wow – Of course they deal with the kings of the earth. That’s what they are supposed to do. Spread the Gospel. Jesus said “Go to all the nations and make disciples of them, Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” The Pope is just doing his job. Catholic Charities is the largest charity organization in the world. Where would the world be without Catholic Charities? Oh, sure, people will take the donations and free care, and at the same time they are demonizing the very Church that provides it. Think about it. Peace.

          • Right there, there it is, exactly Thanks for quoting John description of Mystery Babylon, straight out of your mouth, think about what you just said and have admitted to,

          • But Peter said to baptized them in Jesus Name in Acts, Also why did Peter if its true that he was the first Pope decide to build the Church in Rome and not Jerusalem, why did Peter move to Rome? Why did Jesus tell them to preach to all Jerusalem, Judea, and the uttermost parts of the world if he knew that his church was going to be the Catholic Church and be in Rome, a Jewish man name Peter and a Jew named Jesus from Jerusalem and who by the way loves Israel choose a city that was controlling them and Persecuted Christians to be the home of Jesus Church, yea that makes alot of sense,

      • That may be so, but Iran is a Muslim nation and are not believers in Jesus being the only way to God the Father. The seven churches in Revelation is who the Lord is addressing. God is speaking of a church that claims to be one of His or the one true church. Islam has never and will never belong to Him so He is not referring to them in scripture. He is referring to who says they belong to Him but they have committed spiritual adultery with idol worship. This idol worship has mingled with the world and have gone the way of man with traditions and heathenism and not God. People listen to the man taking the seat of Christ and His agenda, and he and his agenda have become an idol in the heart of man. This could be the pope, priest, pastor, elder, profit, teacher, etc. These are people who are idolized with in the congregation or those called Christian. Everyone is trying to point to a church or region, but actually God is talking about individuals and the matter of the heart, from those on the giving end and those on the receiving end. Gods true people to do not look to a man given higher esteem than the least of these. Gods true people are not going to be in a particular church or denomination. Gods people “the wheat” will be mixed with unbelievers “the tares” but one day God will sift and separate the two. Gods people are cast abroad into all the world but she is the faithful, she doesn’t dwell in temples made by man because she is the temple of her God and she goes were ever He leads. She does not commit spiritual adultery, and she will not worship idols.

        • sherry: All people, Baptized into the Body of Christ are “temples” of the Holy Spirit. Jesus very much has a Church. What do you think He meant when He said “I will build MY CHURCH and the “gates of Hell shall not prevail against it? To you Peter, I will give the “keys to the Kingdom” (the Church is the Kingdom of God.) It is what kings did. They anointed a lord over their Kingdom. Pharoah gave Joseph charge over his kingdom. The king gave Eliakim charge over his kingdom when he “gave him the “THE KEYS TO DAVID’S KINGDOM” Isaiah 22:21-22 Jesus was the perfect Jew. Jesus is our King and Jesus gave Peter the “keys to the Kingdom of Heaven” to watch over HIS CHURCH until HIS return. Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would guide and protect Her from all errors. Again, plain words right out of the Bible. Jesus fulfills all of the Old Testament prophecies and traditions and customs. If we don’t know that the NT is hidden in the OT and the OT is revealed in the NT, we will never understand the Bible. The Bible will be subject to “private interpretations” which results in 30,000 or more denominations. Peter even tells us that private interpretations cause confusion. There is only one Church that can interpret the Bible correctly and that is the Church that wrote it through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. If we did not have modern day “teachers,” the Church would have died out with the Apostles. We didn’t have a Bible for 4 centuries. How do you think people were taught? How do you think the Church survived? It survived through priests and bishops (Apostles) and holy people who gave their lives for Jesus and the Gospel. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

          • When Jesus builds His church, He is speaking of people that He builds on a Rock and that Rock is Jesus Christ, not Peter or anyone else. Jesus is our Rock that His church is built upon. He is our Cornerstone.I don’t go into man made buildings to worship or take part in traditions of men. Its the building that is labeled church or whatever it’s called that I have a problem with, because they have become idols and men covet them, so as to have some sort of ministry. I don’t follow anything that men create and get paid for it. This is something that I find disgraceful to the Lord that people call a building church, we go to church, we go to confession, we go to worship. God is not concerned about outward appearances and what we do inside this building that seems to be sacred in all its functions. This is where I have separated myself from idolatry. My worship to my God is my life lived out before people that I may be a beacon, The light of Christ that all my see the Father and His everlasting Love in me. I do not judge anyone for their own beliefs and life. Each one will answer for their own lives and their own belief’s. The closer we walk with Christ and are led of His Spirit, the more the truth is revealed to the faithful, because God is removing the veil the truth of His word how He intended it to be.

    • @ Wow: There are over 30,000 denominations throughout the world, all teaching that they have the “truth.” There is only “one truth” – Jesus! If we love Jesus the way we all say we do, then we must find out which church that is. Jesus says “Seek and ye shall find.” Learning about Jesus is a lifetime journey. Happy traveling. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

      • Also John the Baptist said I baptized with water but the one coming after me whose shoes I cant even unlace will baptized you with fire. Jesus said I will build and then Acts 2 said and when the day of Pentecost was truly come, will future tense and when and was present tense. They was in Jerusalem in a upper room and begin to fill the spirit of God and begin to speak in tongues as the spirit gave them utterance, The people said they are drunk of wine and Peter said this is that spoken by the prophet Joel, The day of Pentecost

  95. Hey Taskforce. I was wondering where you were. Good to hear from you again and all I can say is WOW!!! Peace. Your sister in Christ.

  96. The marriage feast of the Lamb, to his bride, the church.. will you haters of the Catholic faith also reject the marriage feast the same way you reject his feast here on earth when you reject the Eucharist?… you persecutors of the Catholic faith all want to be invited to the marriage feast when Jesus celebrates with his bride … but you all rejected his meal here each day when you had the opportunity to receive the holy Eucharist at the Catholic Mass ?? And you expect that he will be pleased with you? and you believe Jesus will be pleased that you persecuted his church and his body and blood at the Catholic Mass? Everything about the Mass reflects the final feast , its always about eating the meal .. and you all have rejected the meal and denounce the place it was served at , the place Jesus chose himself. How do any of you feel good about your defiant actions?

    • God looks at the heart of His people, He is not interested in religious acts. All God wants is a people that believes His son is the only way to Him and they are not ashamed of the Gospel. God says to Love Him and Love others. It’s all a matter of the heart and our heart toward all people. We are to judge according to the fruit of the Spirit to see if they are of God. There is fruit of the Spirit and fruit of darkness, this is our guide in order to protect and teach the body of Christ. We are not to hold days, months, and years against one another because of freedom is in Christ. For those that point a finger at those for not doing what they are doing or think like they think, have already judged themselves and the log in their own eye is bigger than the speck in the ones they judge. God is not in rituals and stuff in fellowship, He’s only interested in those that have His Son in Spirit. The Lords supper will never ever save me or anyone else, baptism will never save me or anyone else. The Blood of the Lamb of God and His righteousness is what saves a man. Nothing added to Him and nothing taken away. Jesus and Him alone is the answer!!!!!!!!!!!

    • So how will you get to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb? Do we confess are sins to the Priest,Pope, or do we confess to Jesus? Do we confess here on earth,in Purgatory, or when we get there? Pentecost does communion on Easter to reminds us what Jesus did on the Cross. Jesus didnt say do it constantly just do it to remind us of the cross, how is it denouncing the True Church when Peter preached the day of Pentecost, Did you know it was Roman Catholics that persecuted the apostles, ministers, and preachers that taught Acts 2:38, Peter, Paul, John, they was all tormented for teaching Acts 2:38.

        • The Pharisees was consider Christians and they persecuted followers of Jesus, plus do research even after the Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire they killed followers of Christ.

          • The Pharisees were NOT Christians. The were Jewish Rabbis that taught the law of Moses. The Torah. They denied the Godhead and Divinity of Christ. They had Christ crucified. People are killing followers of Christ to this day. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

        • The word Christian is not based on Spirit and Truth. We are either believers of Jesus being our God and redeemer or we are not. We are quick to label ourselves. Even the word catholic or any other denomination for that matter is unbiblical!!! When Jesus said to worship in Spirit and Truth, He meant it!! This going back and forth will never be resolved because pride is pride that doesn’t get us anywhere but in a bad place with God. God is not in the religious arena, He doesn’t care about false worship and making a show for all to see. He is a God that will spew us out of His mouth if we are not careful and repent of idolatry and heathenism. God gave us His word and His Holy Spirit to indwell the believer so to reveal all Truth and all falseness. He expects us to press into Him as we do not remove our eyes from Him has He directs His will into our soul. It’s better to rest in Him and listen to Him, than to get involved with idol worship. One day He will have the last word in all the world, so it’s up to us to be on His good side not His bad. We are to be His light that shines so bright, that no darkness can come near us.

      • @ Wow: Catholics can receive the “Supper of the Lamb” everyday already. The Eucharist that Jesus instituted at the Last Supper is the feast. We receive Jesus in the Holy Eucharist everyday in our worship service to God, the Mass. Peace.

  97. @ JamesAaron: You say “C’mon nowhere does it say to confess your sins to a man.” That’s odd, because James 5:16 says – “CONFESS your trespasses to “one another,” and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.” And regarding confessing to a priest, in 2 Cor. 5:18, Paul says – “Now all things are of God, who has “reconciled” us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has “given” us the MINISTRY of reconciliation. (confession) That’s what the Catholic Church calls confession/reconciliation. I’m sorry my friend, but Paul, Peter and the Apostles heard confessions and “some sins were forgiven and some were not.” Jesus GAVE all of His own powers to the 12 and told them that “who so ever sins they forgive, will be forgiven in Heaven and who so ever sins they DO NOT forgive, will not be forgiven in Heaven. Matthew 18:18. Your “disagreement” is not with me, my friend, it is with God. Paul, Peter and the Apostles were considered “Bishops” through Jesus’ “anointing” of the them. AND who so ever they passed down their “station” were successors, right up to our present day Pope and Bishops and Priests. In 1 Cor 12:28, Paul tells us “And God has appointed these in the church: first Apostles, second Prophets, third teachers, after that miracles workers, healers, “assistants,” “administrators,” and those who speak in tongues.” If you don’t believe the Bible, that’s between you and God. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

    • JoAnn, God was telling His disciples that they must forgive others for wrong doing’s against them or as individuals so that when they need forgiveness for there wrong doing then God will show them the same mercy and forgiveness. This is in the Lords Prayer, “Forgive our sins as we have forgiven those that have sined against us.” This is what God is referring to when teaching His disciples. We have to have a forgiving heart before we can be forgiven by God. All believer’s in Christ and have been saved, have the same power by the indwelling Holy Spirit, for God is not a respecter of Persons. If I have as much faith as a mustard seed, I have the same power that raised Jesus from the dead and mountains are moved. God means this on a spiritual level. With His leading and power I can do whatever God calls me to do. This is faith that is based on the unseen, this kind of faith raises the spiritually dead, we can move something that’s in the way such as the reference of Mountains. Being able to forgive others is releasing pride in our lives, and if we can truly forgive others for the violist sins that have been committed, God will then hear our prayers when we seek our own forgiveness from Him. We don’t go to the priest for this to take place. We go strait to God ourselves and fellowship because Jesus is the way to the father and through Him we can go to God by the power of His Spirit. This is the gift that Jesus gives to those that have trusted in Him for the remission of sins.

      • sherry: Hi, sherry, thank you for your response. Most of everything that you said I agree with. Your interpretation of the Apostles and forgivness was interesting. Yes, we should have a forgiving heart. But, I have a query. If Jesus meant what you said regarding the Apostles and forgivness, then what did Jesus mean when He told them that the sins that THEY DIDN’T forgive would also “not be forgiven in Heaven?” Peace. Your sister in Christ.

        • JoAnn,
          I understand what you are saying about the apostles. I don’t interpret the scripture the way you do. When I mean interpret I am saying that when I read the scriptures I’m relying on the Holy Spirit of God to open my eyes and ears to the truth of His word. I truly believe that only Jesus forgives sin because He alone died on the cross and gave up His life as a holy sacrifice for the sins of men. I don’t believe Jesus gave mortal men of flesh and blood the authority to do so. I believe we go to God and confess our sins and He is just to forgive our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.
          Men will never have the power to do only what Jesus can do. I don’t believe God would have came to earth to become flesh so He would become a ransom for the sins of man, if He was going to allow men to save people this side of heaven to do His forgiving. Men are not God and only God is just and able to forgive the sins of man. This is where scripture says that men want to take the seat of Christ, knowingly or unknowingly. God as far as I have studied His word, has never given men the ability to save someone of their sin in order to gain eternal life. When we confess our sins one to another, I believe that we have to be open and truthful with our brothers and sisters in Christ about what we have done. If we have not confessed what we have done to another, then they can’t forgive us for sinning against them. Sins against God for disobeying Him and being saved for eternity is the job of Christ. To only confess to a priest our sins and never going to Christ to confess our sins to me is very wrong. Jesus is the only one between us and our Father God who is in heaven. I choose to confide to Jesus my sins and He is my bridge to my heavenly Father. This again is my choice. If we were somewhere where there were no priest or a catholic church and we needed to confess sin and repent, What would we do? This is why Jesus alone will take care of my confessions and forgive me of sin, because He’s always there for me anytime I need Him, no matter where I am. I also have the indwelling of the Spirit of God that reveals all Truth to me and leads to the way of Righteousness. This I am sure of. This is why God gave us His Spirit, for teaching and leading. If I was on a deserted island I would not be alone because I would have the Holy Spirit of God directing me in the path of Righteousness. Even if I’m alone I can still sin against God in my heart, so if I’m still alone it’s God that I seek forgiveness. This is why it’s between God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit to take care of all things. I personally don’t need or want a priest to confess my sin to because Jesus is my high Priest and by the power of His Spirit He reveals the truth to me. This is a gift that He gives me and I will gladly except it. I’m rattling now so I’ll stop here.

        • JoAnn, God is speaking of the sins that may be committed against them and they themselves would not be forgiven if they also could not forgive sin done to them personally. It’s because of their pride and a hardened heart that God will not forgive. In other words if you sinned against me in any way and I could not forgive you with a pure heart and let it go, then God would not forgive me because my heart toward you was hardened. If we will forgive others for hurting us or whatever sin it may be then God will forgive our sins because we showed mercy to another. God said the 2 greatest commandments were to Love Him with all our heart, all our mind, all our soul, and all our strength, and in so doing Love our neighbor as ourselves, these are the greatest of all. I believe that we cannot forgive a terrible travesty, like our child being harmed or murdered or the worst of all sins unless we first love God with every breath we take and trust Him with our very life. If we can show mercy to all people no matter what, then God will be merciful to us. Every thing with God is on a personal level. Because in the end we will answer for ourselves not for others, unless we did someone wrong and we did not repent and seek forgiveness from those we wronged. Then it would include another, not for their punishment but for our own, because of our hardened heart. This is why God tell us to examine ourselves and see if there is any wicked way about us that needs repentance and forgiven.

          • Also when Jesus was explaining that we are to confess our sins to one another, means that we can’t hold onto our wrongs. The statement people use at times that sin will eat us up inside or will cause a slow death is why we need to confess what wrongs we have done so that our brothers and sisters can pray for us . If we have sinned against another we have to confess to them what we have done and seek their forgiveness and also Gods forgiveness. This is what you would call a 2 way deal. We first confess to God and then we go to those we sinned against. Whether we are forgiven by the person or not will not matter to God, what matters to Him is did we go and confess with a sincere heart to the one we sinned against and as long as we did, our slate will be wiped clean by God. This has always been my interpretation of what this scripture means because we have to, at all times keep ourselves pure before the Lord. We also have to hold each other accountable when a confession has been made in order for us and others to be released of burdens and guilt. A clear conscience is better than not letting our brothers and sisters know of our wrong doing against them or another.

          • sherry: Thank you for your response but evidently, I did not make myself clear. Since Jesus gave the Apostles all of His own power (which would be forgiving sins and choosing not to forgive sins,) I didn’t mean forgiving sins like you or I would do. You know, someone hurting us and we choose not to forgive them. You know, just because we chose not to forgive, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t forgiven in Heaven if the person was sincere. I meant when the Apostles were listening to the confessions of others. They could forgive the sins of others if the Apostles knew that the person was sincere and really wanted to repent and they could choose NOT to forgive that person’s sins if they knew that person was NOT sincere in their repentence. Those are the sins that would be forgiven or unforgiven in Heaven. Am I making myself clear? Sometimes I seem to ramble on and not make any sense. Either that or I’m not understanding you OR we are saying the same thing. Sometimes my fingers are faster than my brain. At my age, I’m surprised that my fingers move at all. LOL Peace.

  98. @James Aaron: We confess our sins to the priest because that is what Jesus told us to do. Also, Paul tells us to confess our sins to one to another. Paul also tells us that if we cannot settle our differences between one another that we should “take it to the Church.” Which Church was he talking about? The only Church on the planet at that time, the Catholic Church. I think what a lot of people don’t understand is that the NT was written in Greek. Jesus’ Church is “Universal.” Universal in Greek is “Katholikos,” hence Catholic. Catholic is from the Greek word Katholikos. So if you want to stop calling the Catholic Church Catholic, start calling Her “Universal.” Peace.

    • Catholic wasn’t the only church at the time, You had the Jewish Temple until the Roman destroyed it. Universal doesnt help your case with the Vatican not being Mystery Babylon cause if you break down the word its Universe which can mean One World, which is what the Anti-Christ wants. Face it Jesus setup the Pentecost Church not the Catholic

      • @ Wow: The Catholic Church was the only CHRISTIAN church on the planet. Besides that there were the Jews and the Arabs. (not Christian) Islamism was born with Mohammad around the 600′s. The Muslims consider Mohammad to be the last prophet. And you know what Mohammad’s teaching has done for the world. There are several sources you can research for the history of the Pentecostal movement. “Assessing the Roots of Pentecostalism” for one. Pentecostalism grew out of the Holiness revival during the second half of the “19th century.” So it is a relatively new denomination. Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheranism, all Protestant christian churches did not exist until after the 16th century. Question? When Jesus told the Apostles to “go and preach to all nations” what do you think His desires for His Church were? He wanted His teachings to be throughout the world. Anything “throughout the world” is Universal. The NT was written in Greek. The Greek word for ‘universal” is katholikos. Katholikos translated to English is Catholic. Jesus’ Church, founded in 33AD by Jesus Himself ,was carried on by His Apostles and to whomever they handed down the authority Jesus gave to them. The Catholic Church is Apostolic. That means it is a direct succession of Jesus and the Apostles. All other Protestant Christian churches were born in the 16th century. Researching and studying church history is amazing. I find your comments interesting though. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

      • @ Wow: Jesus is God. Jesus revealed all there is to know. Do you think other people can top Jesus as prophet? Did Jesus forget to tell us some truths? No my friend. To be a true prophet, one would have to be 100% correct ALL THE TIME. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

  99. @ James Aaron: Oh, my dear friend, the Church in the Book of Acts IS the Catholic Church. It is the Church that Jesus established. It was its birth. The Apostles didn’t have anyone but themselves and Jesus to confess to. The Church was new. And after Paul’s conversion, what do you think Paul meant when he and converts “broke bread” on the “day of the Lord.” The celebration of the breaking of the bread WAS the Mass. And the Mass was celebrated on Sunday because with Jesus’ death, there was a new covenant. Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday and Paul changed the Sabbath to Sunday, again, because there was a new covenant. The old was no more. The Jewish Sabbath was the old covenant. Jesus made everything new. After Pentecost, the Apostles were empowered with the Holy Spirit, just as we are when we are Baptized. When we are Baptized, the Holy Spirit makes His dwelling in our souls. Our bodies are the “temple of the Holy Spirit. When the Apostles began to preach, they were given the gift of tongues so that each person could “hear” them in their own language. By tongues, it does not mean gibberish. Each person “heard” them in their OWN LANGUAGE. It was a new teaching. God opened the ears of the people so that they could understand. Notice, it was Peter that first stood up and spoke to the men. Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list Mt. 10:1-4 Mk 3:16-19, Lk. 6:14-16, Acts 1:13, sometimes the apostles were reffered to as “Peter and those who were with him” Lk Mk. 8:29, Lk 12:41, Jn 6:68-69 and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes Mt. 14:28-32, Mt17:24-27, Mk 10:34-389:32. Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles Mt. 18:21,

    • So you actually believe that, are you Blind to the truth, So lets get this clear the Pope isnt a prophet so that makes him not a man of God, cause one of the gifts of the spirit is prophesy, yall dont speak in tongues which is also a gift of the spirit, and The Pope can give you time off in Purgatory, so where does it say you get the holy ghost when baptized, cause on many instant people had been fill with the holy ghost without being water baptized

      • JamesAaron: Do you not believe in Scripture. I made many references to Scripture backing up what I have written and you ask me if I “actually believe” that stuff. Yes, I believe it. It’s all in the Bible. Peace.

      • James: No, the Pope cannot give me time off in Purgatory. Only God can do that if He wills it. You don’t have to be a prophet to be a man of God. Is Irvin a prophet? Is Billy Graham a prophet? Is Hal Lindsey a propher? Yet, they are all men of God. Did Jesus say that we have to speak in tongues to be saved? No. He said “repent and be Baptized and obey His commands.” Even Paul says speaking in tongues is not essential. Do you “eat His Flesh and drink His Blood” as Jesus commands. If you don’t, Jesus says “you have no life in you.” I would like just one Protestant to tell me where they hear what they think the Catholic Church teaches. Everyone of you on this board have gotten things incorrect. Where do you hear such falsehoods? The problem with my separated brothers and sisters in Christ is that they obsess about the “end times.” And, since they believe that Jesus will come back within the next 7 – 10 yrs., they have to find people, places, and things to fit the prophecies. Hence, the Pope is the “false prophet,” the Catholic Church is the “whore of Babylon”, blah, blah, blah. Jesus told us “No one knows the time, not even Him.” Do you profess to know more than Jesus? Yes, Jesus will come at the end of time and He tells us to “ALWAYS be ready.” Jesus also tells us to “keep busy.” Instead of condemning, we should be praying for each other and encouraging each other’s walk with Jesus. God is the judge, no one else! He knows who will be saved because He has the “Book of Life” remember? I suggest that we stop insulting each other. It’s one thing to “discuss” what we believe, but it is another thing to “insult” people for what they believe. If we can discuss our differences “like Christians” I believe the Holy Spirit will do His work. Actually, there really aren’t that many differences if you all want to be honest about it. We all believe that Jesus is the Son of God and our Salvation. We all believe that Jesus is the “Way”, the “Truth” and the “Life.” We all believe that He died for our sins and was resurrected and that we will be resurrected at the end of time and that we will spend eternity with Him. You know, when I was in 1st grade, many, many, many, MANY yrs. ago, the first thing I learned about why God made us is this. “God made us to “know”, love and serve Him in this life so that we will be happy with Him in Heaven. It’s that simple folks and since it looks to me that everyone here is trying to do just that, we will all see each other one day in Paradise. Peace.

        • When I said do you actually believe that stuff, I was meaning do you believe thats what the bible is teaching, do you actually believe the bible backs Catholicism, when in Jesus day the Pharisees was just like the Catholic they thought they knew what was being that and he called them Hypocrites, C’mon nowhere does it say to confess you sins to a man, when Jesus is the only way to salvation. Peter was not a Pope he was a preacher, Paul was a minister, the Apostles play big roles in the bible, John went into full detail of who Jesus was. So if Peter was the supreme apostle than why did Jesus reveal himself more to John. Why did he also show John his return and not Peter. You’re blind to the truth and deceive by false teachings. Martin Luther came to realize the Catholic Church was full of contradictions and left the church. Any man that prophesied is a prophet, Irvin Baxter prophesied the fall of the Berlin Wall 20 years before it happen, so technically yes he’s a prophet. A Prophet is a man of God with great ability and faith.

          • @JoAnn John was a prophet and he was after Jesus, A prophet has a gift of prophesy and God(Jesus) Can use anyone to be a prophet when he needs them to. So if you’re saying God won’t or can’t then are you denying the Power of God.

          • Irvin did not prophesy the fall of the Berlin wall. It was already prophesied in the Bible. Irvin just deduced that that was what it meant. There aren’t any modern day prophets. Jesus was the final gift to mankind. Tell that to the Muslims and they will get upset because they believe that Mohammad was the last prophet. Jesus was the last prophet. It is He that revealed the Father. God will not send a modern day prophet because He sent Jesus. Are you calling me a hypocrit? So much for being Christian. Peace.

  100. Significantly, indictment of the Vatican, does not, necessarily, indict the Catholic church. Jesus works everywhere.

    • Yes as you said Jesus is everywhere. He even uses evil and the wrongs of man for His appointed time to take place. God will not conform to idolatry, paganism, man made ideas. God will never lower His standards to please man. God is in the business of saving souls and bringing His people to Himself without the help of a priest. The only Priest there is is Jesus Christ and He alone is Holy and Righteous and He alone is who we confess our sins to, NOT A PRIEST!!!!!!!!
      I just don’t understand why Catholics don’t allow Jesus to take His rightful place with His people. What would happen to the Catholic church If God took all the priest, bishops, cardinals, and who ever else out of the way???? Jesus wants an intimate relationship with His people, His Bride. This is what my bible says, the holy word of God. Nothing that the Catholic church does is in the bible, its all based on what men say, unless their bible is different from mine. Why is there so much confusion? God is not the master of confusion, the devil is. If there is man made ideas and the ways of the people do not mimic Gods Holy Word who is Jesus Christ then its not of God. It’s not just the Catholic church, its any church or denomination that takes Jesus out of His rightful place, who is the head of the church, Not Men!! Men are not to be the head of any church, God put men in place to teach and lead the body of Christ to the feet of their Savior and to help them with their personal walk as they pick up their cross and follow the only One they know. God says that for those that love Him obey Him and follow Him. We can’t hear from God and follow Him when a priest is in the way taking the place of Christ.

      • should there be reverends, ministers, or preachers do they get in the way, should there be churches or denominations do they get in the way

        is this why there are more than 30 thousand denominations? which it true and pure?

        • I believe all get in the way of Christ when people make the building, the denomination and the clergy and idol. This is not what God wanted for His people. I believe God has given each person in the body of Christ gifts to help one another with their walk with Christ and to hold each other accountable. God resides within all His people not a specific person, place, or thing. We have the Spirit of God within our souls. God does not need made made temples called church and He does not need one man taking His place front and center. God wants a people that are willing to die for Him, suffer for Him, and to conform to who Christ was as a man and is today as God the Son ” men, women and children alike”. Does the people of God mimic His character are they conforming to His image? Until we go into a spiritual desert with Jesus are born again and are purged from religion and being led by men, we will never have eye’s to see or ears to hear from Him and to know Truth for ourselves. I truly believe this is why the body of Christ is weak today, they have gone the way of man and not God. After 2000 years of having the Holy Spirit indwelling all believers in Christ. One would assume that the world would been turned upside down at this point. Just like when Jesus went into the temple with a whip and turned the money tables over, when He was rebuking the Pharisees and His disciples when they were sleeping and not watching for the enemies coming. Jesus was not a real pleasant person most of the time, especially with leaders in the temple. Jesus was trying to prove a point over and over again so His people would not go down the same old path but a new path with Him and Him alone. I do believe leaders are needed to disciple new believers and to do good works, but there comes a time when we have to walk alone with Christ for the utmost maturity God wants for His people. We have an enemy that is trying to take us down with him, and many are unknowing going down with the enemy because of lack of knowledge and discernment. They are spiritually dry and not ready and God has removed there candle stick because of ignorance and laziness. So to your question again I say, the man made temple building called church and all it’s business and stuff along with the clergy, has taken the place of Christ and His simplicity and have caused His body of believers to be weak and unknowing and unusefull. Read Revelation from beginning to end, focus on the 7 churches in chapters 1 and 2 and what Jesus says to each one.

          • sherry: Luke was referring to the Pharisies (spelling?) who were “high and mighty” or least they thought they were. Weren’t Luke, Paul and the apostles teachers? Well, actually Luke was a doctor. He really didn’t teach per se. Was Luke talking about them also? As I commented earlier, Jesus’ Church had a distinct purpose. He set it up as the Bible describes. Even me, over 70 yrs. old still learn things about my Faith. Jesus left a teaching authority here on Earth to teach and help people along with their journey to holiness. What do you think would have happened to the Church if there was no one to keep the Gospel alive when there were no more Apostles? You know what happens when you leave interpretation of Scripture to chance. We have over 30,000 denominations, all teaching differently and heresies develop, each one assuring their congregation that “they have the truth.” There is only one truth, so what Church has the truth? The Church that Jesus established. The Holy Spirit is a God of Truth, not confusion. Even the Bible teaches that there can’t be individual interpretations. Peter tells us in1 Peter 1:20 & 21 “There is no prophecy contained in Scripture which is a personal interpretation. Prophecy has never been put forward by man’s willing it. It is rather that men impelled by the Holy Spirit have spoken under God’s influence.” If all men could interpret Scripture accurately, there would be no need for teachers. But, men do try, hence, confusion. Peace. Your sister in Christ.

          • JoAnn,
            The power of Gods Spirit is capable of taking care of all things. It’s His power, not man,that is in Charge of the body of Christ. Before Jesus ascended to the Father after His resurrection, He told His disciples He must go to the Father so The Spirit would come in His place. John 20 v22-23 tells us that Jesus breathed on His disciples and they received the Holy Spirit in order for forgiveness to take place. The Holy Spirit alone takes care of Gods people this side of heaven. Luke 21 v 46-47 tells us that we are to beware of teachers of religion, for they parade around in flowing robes and have everyone that comes to them to bow down and they love the seats of honor in the synagogues and at banquets, but they are shameful because they cheat people out of what belongs to them, and they cover up who they really are. They make long prayers in public, because of this, their punishment will be the greatest. God is speaking of religious leaders and what they are doing. This is the word of God, not my words. I do believe leaders are needed to disciple new believers, but the day comes when a person is to pick up his cross and walk with the Lord where ever He leads without the interference of men. Men can very easily take the place of Christ without even knowing it, because they base all there actions within the church on their traditions.

          • sherry: How you describe your relationship with God is beautiful. Each one of us has our own relationship and each one of us, as Paul says, has to work out our salvation with fear and trembling” AND obey Jesus in all that He commands. “God has set up in the Church, first apostles, second prophets, third “teachers,” then miracle workers, healers, “assistants”, “administrators” and those who speak in tongues.” 1 Cor. 12:28 Would Jesus establish an “infant Church” and leave no one to guide Her in His absence? Who would protect Her from heresies? Peace.

  101. This resembled an episode from Jerry Springer. The Catholics came out swinging like i have never seen before and i was quite impressed with their efforts, Jo Ann is as tenacious as a bulldog and should be hired by the Catholic Church to present their doctrines. I learned more about deception in this thread than words could convey. The nearer we draw towards the end the greater will become the Deception until “THE BIG LIE” arrives, which is coming sooner than we think. To ALL i say… “Know your Bible for yourselves” and LOVE THE TRUTH or YOU will be one of the deceived. Jesus is the “ONLY TRUTH”

    • @ James Shane – Thank you, James. You got that right. I am a “bulldog” for Christ. There is no deceiption in the Catholic Church. How can there be? Jesus promised it would be guided and protected by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a God of Truth, not a god of deception. Don’t you believe Jesus? It is the Catholic Chruch through the inspiration of God that gave this world the Bible in the 4th century, and they know what they meant when they wrote it. If anyone is being deceived it is the Protestants. If Protestants can’t tell that the Bible is a Catholic book, you will never know the “Truth.” Peace.

      • JoAnn your Zeal truly inspires me and I actually enjoyed and learned from yours and others rebuttals and scripture explanations. It is perfectly understandable why one would get upset when others are saying their “Church” is phony. Please understand that I do not agree with the Catholic Doctrine, but understand more clearly my disagreement is not with YOU or the OTHERS who posted. It is against a “SYSTEM” and is spiritual in nature. May God continue to lead YOU & ME in the way everlasting. May the Spirit of Truth continually lead “US ALL” into “ALL TRUTH” Jesus is coming soon! I know that God is speaking to your heart, listen to him, not us and you may be speaking in tongues before the year ends.

        • @ James Shane: It’s nice communicating with a non-Catholic that is not disdainful. I’m glad my comments inspire you, but they are not mine, they are the Holy Spirit’s. I welcome your comments anytime and if you have a misunderstanding about anything I say, I would be happy to be more specific about it. Grow in faith, my friend. Peace.

      • JoAnn,
        My question has always been, Why do Catholics allow a priest to take the place of Christ and why is the priest called holy father?? There is only 1 Holy Father and it ain’t the priest, its God of the universe, God the creator, God the Father who is in heaven. He alone is our Holy Father. I would be ashamed that many believe such blaspheme. There is no such thing as Catholics, or any other that call themselves by some name. Those who are born again in the Spirit of God because of Jesus’ Holy sacrifice for our souls are called the children of God, the Bride of Christ and one day we will be forever with Him. There is no purgatory, no priest to confess to, no one taking the place of Christ. You sound so angry because people don’t believe in the Catholic church. I myself don’t believe in anything of man or what man has created, I only believe in Jesus Christ and Him alone, nothing added to Him and nothing taken away, because He alone is enough.

        • sherry: Did you read any of my comments at all? I’m not angry, sorry it sounded that way. I only feel pity for non-Catholics because they are not able to receive our Lord in the Eucharist, and that was one of the major commands Jesus gave us. That’s one of the awesome gifts Jesus left us before He ascended into Heaven. The Catholic Church IS the Bride of Christ. We have been since Jesus instituted Her. We already have the Lord’s Supper that we may eat EVERYDAY. What do you have? Words? You don’t even listen to Jesus’ words. We do not call every priest holy father. We call the Pope the Holy Father because that’s what Jesus made him. The father of His Church until He returns. The only blasphemy is to deny Jesus’ real presence in the Eucharist. Paul even says that. Everything I’m saying can be verified in the Bible if you really look for it and want to know the truth. Even the Bible says it is the Church that is the pillar and foundation of truth. Search for the truth yourself and stop listening to anti-Catholic rhetoric. We don’t allow priests to take the place of Jesus. They are acting for Christ, not themselves. Everything they do (ecclesiastically) is in Christ’s name. That is another piece of propaganda you have learned. All you have to do is read Matthew. What do you think Jesus meant when He said “on this rock, I will build MY CHURCH and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it”? What do you think Jesus meant when He said to Peter, “to you I will “give” the keys to the “kingdom” of Heaven? Do you think that Jesus was going to leave His “infant Church” to chance while He was gone? No, He left a “prime minister” to watch over His Church in His absence. He made Peter the “father of His Church.” Jesus was/is a Jew. He was/is the “perfect Jew.” He knew the Scriptures because He inspired them and He followed the Scriptures to the letter. Every tradition and custom of the Jewish nation. I refer you to Isaiah 22:21&22. The King “gave” the keys to the “kingdom of David” to Elieser The king made Elieser his “prime minister” over all his kingdom. Pharoah made Joseph “prime minister” over all of his kingdom. That’s what kings did. The Old Testament is a foreshadowing of the NT. Jesus fulfills the NT. It would be remiss of Jesus to not “anoint” a “prime minister” over His kingdom, here on Earth in His absence. The Chruch is Jesus’ “Kingdom on Earth.” You say you believe in the Bible, then why don’t you believe what you read and what Jesus says? Why take Jesus’ words out of context because it does not fit your theology? No one is taking Jesus’ place. If there is no Purgatory, why does Paul pray for the dead? Why do the Jews, to this day, pray for the dead? Why did even the early Christians pray for the dead? The Catholic Mass is the SAME Mass that the early Christians celebrated in the catacombs while hiding from their enemies. If you visit those catacombs today, you will see the requests for prayers on the graves of the dead. If we are not to confess our sins to the priest, why did Jesus tell the Apostles that the sins they forgive will be forgiven in Heaven and the sins they don’t forgive will not be forgiven in Heaven? Yes, Jesus alone is enough but Jesus gave us specific instructions (commands) to live by. He told the Apostles that “he who hears you, hears Me and he who rejects you, rejects Me, and he who rejects Me, rejects the One who sent Me.” What do you think Jesus meant by that? Protestants reject everything about the very Church Jesus established, and in doing so, they are rejecting Jesus. Jesus left a “teaching authority” on Earth before he ascended into Heaven to battle heresies that He knew would come. And there have been plenty of heresies. Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would guide and protect His Church. That means His Church can make no errors regarding faith and morals. Why do you think that after 2000 yrs. His Church still stands? If it was a false church, it would have died out long ago. There is nothing about the teachings of the Catholic Church that is contrary to the Bible and there is nothing in the Bible that is contrary to the Catholic Church. We believe every word in the Bible and teach every word in the Bible. We are the ones that gave the Bible to the world in the first place. In the 4th century, Pope Damasus I with other doctors and fathers of the Church determined which manuscripts were inspired and which were not. The Catholic Church determined what the “Canon of the Bible” would be and that is the same Bible that you are reading today. The only difference in the Protestant Bible and the Catholic Bible is that the Protestant Bible is missing 7 books that Martin Luther removed when he left the Church. That’s why Protestants don’t understand some of the Catholic Church’s teachings. We teach from the entire Bible, not the altered Bible that Luther produced. All of this can be verified if you take the time to do it. Hopefully, you love Jesus enough to research His Church more. Have you ever been to a Catholic Mass? Have you ever read anything written by the early Fathers and Doctors of the Church? Have you ever read anything by Ignatius of Antioch? He was taught by John and ordained by Peter. He was the Bishop of the Catholic Church of Antioch and the first one to put “in writing” the name of Jesus’ Church. Katholikos Ecclesia – Catholic/Universal Church. He wrote that in 107 AD. He died a martyr’s death in Rome in 110 AD. The Romans fed him to the lions. He died for Christ just like all of the martyrs of those days and the present days. The Christians of Biblical NT days were Catholic. No one can prove otherwise because they can’t. Grow in faith , my friend. Stop reading the “menu” and “come home” to the “meal.” Peace.

          • JoAnn,
            I appreciate you taking the time to respond back. The only thing I ask of you is to not assume I don’t love my Lord enough. Jesus is my very life, He is my Holy Savior, He is my God forevermore. My relationship with Jesus is not based on rituals and pagan festivals. His power is ever present in my soul. The Light of Him burns within me to never go out. The only reason any church institution or business I should say is still standing is because Gods prophecies and His word is still running it’s coarse in society. And there are still some that God is calling back to Himself and His work this side of heaven is not complete, but God is gracious and merciful. You say the Catholic belief Is the only way to the Father and heaven, my answer to that is that my personal relationship with Christ and Him alone and nothing else is my way to the Father in heaven and nothing else. Pride of religion and doctrine will not be enough. There will not be reasoning though because I know what I believe is the truth and you say what you believe is the truth. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. The only thing I know for certain is my Savior is preparing a place for me to sit at the banquet table with Him and I will be faithful to Him until He calls me home.

      • I believe Mystery Babylon is every man made church system. Not only does the Catholic priest take the place of Christ by telling people they have to confess sins to them, they call the pope, holy father, this is blaspheme. God says not to call any one father, that there is only one father and He is in heaven. Anyone held in high esteem and considers themselves holy this side of heaven will be the least in Gods eyes. Jesus Christ is God and He doesn’t allow a priest to take His place, no matter what people thinks. Jesus is now at the right hand of the father inter seeding for those who believe in Him by the power of His Spirit. We the body of Christ do not need a man to confess our sins to, we go strait to the Father in heaven because Christ made it possible. Any church that operates based on the traditions of men and they try and take the place of Christ by having one man up front running the show whether they are called priest, bishop, pastor, elder, or whatever, they are not of God. God calls these men hirelings wanting the place of Christ. When Constantine brought Roman traditions and paganism into the born of Christ Christian church about 330 AD is when the beginning of the end started for what we call the church today. God does not dwell in temples made by men’s hands, He dwell’s in their souls and no man can tear it down like the Temple of Babel or Mystery Babylon of today. The Catholic church is obvious in her sins according to scripture, but the other churches are a mystery because people don’t look at their own church on every street corner all over the world, that they also could be mystery Babylon. There are more denominations than we can count, this has brought great confusion for Gods people and the only one that brings confusion is the devil and all his lies. We need to be praying that God would open our eyes to His word and what it really means by the teaching of His Spirit. I do believe there are many many people fooled today based on mans interpretation of Gods word. If people are willing to follow Christ and Him alone, He will lead the way to the promised land and that way is very narrow and few there will be that find it.

        • @sherry: You are the person that Jesus is talking about. You call Him Lord and do not do as He says. Jesus instituted a Church to guide His sheep until His return. He promised that His Church would be guided and protected by the Holy Spirit and that the “gates of Hell would not prevail against it.” He gave all of His own power to His Apostles and a special power to Peter. All of this is Biblical. He told them to “go into the world making disciples of all nations, Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. He told them that whatever sins they forgive would be forgiven in Heaven and whatever sins they did not forgive would not be forgiven in Heaven. At the Last Supper, Jesus instituted the Holy Mass and the Holy Eucharist and Jesus instituted the priesthood when He told His Apostles to do the same in memory of Him. The Catholic/Katholikos (Universal) Church is Jesus’ Church and I would be very careful if I were you talking about His Church that way. Someone needs to get back into her Bible and pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit. Some of your comments were true, most were not. Jesus’ Church has been called Catholic (Katholokos) from the time Paul and the Apostles started preaching the Gospel. We are the first Christian Church on the planet. Protestants did not come into existence until the 16th century. I think an indepth research in church history would be an exciting adventure for you before you make any more false statements about the Catholic Church and her clergy. A good history lesson on Martin Luther would also be good here. The Bible says that God is not happy with those who defame His “Anointed.” You’ll find that in Samuel. I would think twice before I would insult the Pope and our clergy. Peace.

          • 1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

            2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

            3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

            4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

            5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

            6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

            7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

            8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

            9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

            10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

            11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

            12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

            13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

            14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

            15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

            16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

            17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

            18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

            19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

            20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

            21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

            22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

            23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

            24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

            25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

            26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

            27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

            28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

            29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

            30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

            31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

            32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

            33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

            34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

            35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

            36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

            37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

            38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

            39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Notice it said when the DAY OF PENTECOST fully came, didnt say when the day of Catholic came they went to mass, it said when the day of Pentecost. Jesus didnt setup the Catholic church. Jesus church was and is setup in the Book of Acts, no where do you see the Apostles going to a high priest and confessing their sins, they prayed straight to Jesus. Seems to me you must had missed the whole book of Acts and do you even read Paul teachings, Nowhere in the new testament does it back Catholicism. It doesnt say the Pope or the Priest is the only way you can be say or their names is the name above all names in which a man can be save. Jesus is the only name that makes a demon or Satan tremble. Jesus is the only man that I will worship. The way Catholics treats the Pope I would be scared cause the bible said You should not have any God before me and they treat the Pope like a God.

  102. There are plenty of theories out there trying to explain end time events. I really a price ate the fact that y’all is based on “thus say et the word of the Lord”

  103. I recently heard that President Obama is wanting to move the US Embassy to the Vatican. Can you tell me what this means, according to the prophecies and the end time coming for America?

  104. it is symbolic…i believe it is representative of our economic system…the beast i believe to be satan and the mark i do not believe to be a literal mark ( any more than the mark of God is a literal mark), but do believe we are marked when we live a life of sin which honors satan. there may be a mark given, but i do not believe this will be what the bible is referring to.as far as the temple in israel be rebuilt, it may. but God doesn’t dwell in temples made with hands. we are the of the holy ghost but if the holy holy ghost be removed then can satan set up his throne in the kingdom which once belonged to God,( knowing that the kingdom of God is within us) and call himself God and be above all that is called God. i do not go to doctors…

  105. Mystery Babylon is not the USA. For one Babylon is a city not a nation. Rome is called New Babylon. She a harlot and a mother of abominations, The bible uses a Virgin as the true church of God and a harlot as a false church. So She’s a a false church. Okay now she sits on Seven Hills, Rome is also known as a city that sits on seven hills. SO fact she’s a church inside Rome that is also known as a city. Now why is Vatican City Mystery Babylon and a Pope will be the false prophet. Cause the false prophet has the power to call fire down out of heaven(Revelation 13:13), and John saw a beast with 2 horns like a lamb that spake as a dragon(Revaltion13:11) the false prophet has the power to deceive men cause he made miracles happen in their sight(Revelation 13:14). The Pope can deceive men and women because he’s one of the most powerful men on earth. Vatican City(The Biggest Catholic Church)is one the most influential churches on earth. The Cardinals wear red(Scarlet) and the Bishops wear purple. They carried golden cups of wine in their hands. Not even to mention the Roman Empire has persecuted more Christians than any other religion(Blood of the Saints). They’re also the mother of all false religion, They claim that Peter was the first Pope how was that when Peter preached the day of Pentecost(Acts 2:38) so there’s a lie. They worship a Pope and tell their sins to a man and not God. see when Jesus died on the cross it did away with the Priesthood and telling a man your sins so he can take them to God.Mystery Babylon has committed fornication with the kings of the earth, 31.5 percent of the world population is Christian with over half being listed as Roman Catholic so its fair to say most people are Catholic, so if it is a false religion than kings, nations, and tongues has committed fornication with a false religion. So she’s the mother of all abominations, if I remember right didnt the Pope Francis say that homosexuality was okay and didnt he say if atheists,homosexuals, and etc.. would get time off of purgatory for good behavior, sounds like he doesnt read the bible, cause my bible said that homosexuality was an abominations and how can an atheist make it to heaven when he doesnt even believe in God. Mother of Abominations Mystery Babylon(Vatican City) False Prophet(A Pope)

    • @JamesAaron – NO!!! The pope did not say it was all right to engage in homosexual activities. Will you anti-catholics stop taking the Pope’s words out of context!!! He said to spread the Gospel, even to homosexuals, atheists, abortionists, EVERYONE, etc. The Pope is inviting everyone to the foot of the Cross. EVERYONE!! He is inviting everyone to repent and come to Jesus!!! Everyone, everyone, everyone is “redeemed” by the Cross. Notice I said “redeemed” not saved. Everyone is redeemed. It is the “repentence and the acceptance” of this gift that saves us. Stop putting words in the Pope’s mouth. AND, by the way, the Pope IS NOT A PROPHET!!! He can no way pull down fire from heaven than you can. You had better go back and really read your Bible because you are misquoting it. Read Matthew very closely. Peace.

      • So the Pope isn’t a man of God WOW. Any person with faith in God can pull fire down out of Heaven, with faith as a mustard seed you can move mountains, The Catholics believe Mary is still a virgin and Jesus had brothers and sisters. They have made the Mother Mary a idol. The Pope’s word wasn’t taken out of context he said what he meant that you can be a homosexual and be a christian at the same time, in which the bible said was an abomination, you cant be both. They claimed Peter was a Pope but still yet he preached the day of Pentecost(Acts 2:38). You confessed your sins to a Priest and the bible said you can go to Jesus yourself no longer do you need a mediator.

        • James: Being a homosexual is NOT the sin. It’s the homosexual activity that is the sin. So yes, a homosexual can be a Christian and be saved IF and I said IF they live a life of celibacy and do not engage in homosexual activity. Be careful, my friend, you are talking about our Savior’s mother. What was she, just a surrogate that God picked out of a crowd? She was our loving Savior’s mother in every sense of the word. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, she was filled with the Holy Spirit. That makes her the 2nd holiest person that ever walked this God given Earth. Question! What was the Holiest object on the face of the Earth in the Old Testament and why? Yes, Peter preached. That’s what Pope’s do. They preach the Gospel all over the world and he invites all to come to the foot of the Cross. You have faith in God. Can you pull down fire from Heaven. I think not. Peace.

          • JoAnn( in response to jamesaaron on Dec 11) do you really believe that is how a homosexual can become a Christian and be saved? To live a life of celibacy and not engage in homosexual activity? That is works my dear sister, and works will not save you. A homosexual like anyone else can be saved if he or she humbly acknowledges their sin and unworthiness and accepts Christ as their savior. His blood alone can wash away their sin. They will still sin, maybe not in the same way but we are all saved sinners. Jesus promises that his blood is sufficient for all past, present, and future sins. Mary was a sinner and had to accept Christ as her savior just like everyone else. Jo Ann I shared my testimony with you sometime ago. I wonder if you would share yours, the moment you came to the realization that there was nothing you could do to save yourself and you got on your knees and accepted Christ as your savior. If we don’t ALL have that moment that we can look back on, we are doomed to eternity apart from God. That is not my opinion, that is what the word of God says.

  106. We are Mystery Babylon. There is no other that can fulfill it but us. Look at who the statue of liberty is. She is the Goddess Ishtar from Babylonian. The reason we call the resurrection of Christ Easter. We have been lied to for centuries. Satan is the God of this world and is working to have his one world government. The color purple in Greek ranges from a deep blue to a purple. Our flag is deep Blue. The city is New York where the U.N. is and rules the earth. Look up Rick Coombes on You tube. God showed me this years ago and I just recently found Rick Coombes to really take it to another level. The Hills translated from the Greek could mean continents as well. If you read about the statue of Liberty Her 7 Rays are for the seven continents. There is no other place it can be but us. When the time comes we believers are to leave her. May God give us eyes to see and ears to hear! God bless

  107. you are so wrong about the Mystery Babylon prophecy. In Revelation 17 St. John is being shown a false religion that sits on top of a beast or a world beast system. The Great Mother talked about in Revelation 17 is the Catholic religion. Now if she is the “Mother of Harlots” key being harlots as many. That means that the Catholic religion gave birth to harlot daughters, remember she is the “Mother OF Harlots. So who are the harlots or daughters that came out of her, it would be the other Sunday religions that follow the same traditions of man, Sunday, Christmas, Easter…etc. This would be the Baptists, Church of Christ, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Lutheran…etc. This is the Mother and her harlot daughters. If you look at Revelation 17 versus 15 the angel tells us where the Mother and her harlot daughters are, Rev 17 vs 15: Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, NATIONS, and tongues or languages. So she couldn’t be only Vatican City, which is part of the false religious system but it covers most of the world. Christ spoke about it himself in Matthew 24 vs 5.

  108. @Taskforce! Even though you speak eloquently, you’re still deceived. Please get these books and read them by Tom Horn and Chris Putnam: THE LAST POPE, EXO-VATICANA, and PETRUS ROMANUS. All books are cited, have their on-site experience, and have given personal interviews with some in the hierarchy of the CC. Please read them, and let the HOLY SPIRIT draw you away from the CC before it is too late! However, if you trust Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, you’ll make it to Heaven in spite of the CC.

    • I am sorry but the “prophecy “of St. Malachy is a fraud. It was “discovered” in 1595, and St. Malachy died in 1148, for the first 400 years the prophecy was very accurate, after its “discovery” the prophecy was at best a stretch of the imagination. It is thought that the “prophecy” was used to influence the Papal Election of 1595. Do you consider the prophecy biblical?

      The Catholic Church does not consider the “prophecy” as valid.

      • johntheB: You are absolutely right! PLUS the fact that Pope Francis is NOT, I repeat is NOT the 112th pope. If anyone would take the time to verify it, they would know it. But Protestants want a “false prophet” so badly that they are willing to spread the lie. I know you know this, john but for all those who really want to know the truth. St. Malachy’s prophecy? said his vision of the next 112 popes started with the next pope AFTER Innocent II. That would be Celestine II. Starting with Celestine II and counting all the way to Pope Francis is ONLY 102!!!! Will somebody please get this right and stop spreading false teaching!!! You CANNOT count the anti-popes, and even if you did, that would make Pope Francis the 114th, which would make JP II the 112th. So much for Malachy’s prophecy. Boy, Protestants are going to be so surprised when Jesus comes back and reigns in His Katholikos Ekklesia. Peace.

  109. Hey Everybody: Before I forget and things get hectic, I want to wish each and everyone of you a Happy and Blessed Thanksgiving. Thank God for all the gifts with which He has so abundantly blessed us, especially the gift of His Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Peace.

  110. @Taskforce: I love reading your comments. Your eloquence in explaining our Faith is truly a blessing. I praise and thank God for His gift to you. Peace.

  111. To All My Friends in this Ministry and on this board: You know, Paul tells us “to work out our salvation in fear and trembling.” What I see here is every one of us trying to do that very thing. How we do it, is between ourselves and God. He is our Judge and no one else. We know God does not want anyone to perish that’s why He sent His Son. So I’m sure Jesus wants to welcome each and every one of us “home” with open arms. And each and every one of us will get “home” eventually. Jesus tells us “Why do you call me Lord, Lord but do not do as I say.” That means Jesus is our salvation as long as we believe in Him and “keep His commandments.” Our journey “home” will be different for each of us. Go with God and God bless you all. Peace.

  112. Hello Everyone: This is an attempt to clear the air. When a person asks our Heavenly Father for forgiveness and accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, in the name of Jesus Christ, Then a person is going to Heaven.
    Is this Prayer of Salvation the essence of Scripture? All else is extraneous.

    • I would add only Jesus’ words,”I give you a new commandment, but it is not new, to love one another.” and, “The whole law hangs on these two, to love God with all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.” Once you accept Jesus as Savoir, to stay true to His doctrine, our job is to love!

  113. snydog, you mention your problems with not being able to turn Catholics away from the one true church of Jesus, the Catholic church that Jesus instituted … and we Catholics say (((( “Amen” )))) to that !!!
    snydog, the reason you can’t lead us away from the truth of God is because we have received God’s grace to know and understand the truth through the power and conviction of the Holy Spirit in us. So you really must feel frustrated and defeated to spend so much of your time and energy in utter futility, it’s because you are fighting against the Holy Spirit … it’s not us Catholics you are debating with, it’s the power of the Holy Spirit which convicts us of the truth which you are in conflict with.
    snydog, you sound “book smart” but you lack the ability to “think” about things you don’t see written. You seem to be the “over-analytical type” who stumbles on the simplistic gifts of allowing the Holy Spirit to guide us to the truth. You’re obsession with trying to corner Catholics and expose them in your game of tag really needs to be reflected upon by yourself, you need to do some soul-searching and self-examination and ask God to open your ears, soften your heart and open your mind to the truth regarding your Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. Do yourself a favor, go sit in a Catholic Mass and try and feel the presence of the Savior Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, happy are those who take part in the supper. You are missing out on the Eucharist , and Jesus said that without it you have no life in you. Why would you ignore his words snydog? If you have left the Catholic church I pray that you will return and take part in receiving the body and blood of Jesus Christ, the supernatural meal from God, which is only served at the Catholic church. We will pray for you.

    • Taskforce 4us and JoAnn, I went to church my whole life (Baptist) and thought I was saved, thought I was ok. One night when I was in my thirties at our little church I realized that I was not ok, being led by the Holy Spirit I came to the realization that I was a sinner and bound for Hell, I got on my knees and asked the Lord Jesus Christ to save my soul. “But after that the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior.” Titus 3:4-6 Hallelujah! That is my story, I am convinced that the blood of Christ is sufficient unto salvation. If that is over analysis Task or simply book smarts I am guilty. It is my wish that everyone will experience this type of salvation. I am not trying as you say Task to turn anyone from their church. I am sorry JoAnn if you felt that I was disdainful, that was not my intent. Task I feel as led by the Holy Spirit as you say you do. I lay my head on my pillow every night with the assurance that if I don’t wake up, I will instantaneously be in the presence of my Lord. I will not play gotcha anymore, My prayers are with you. God bless you.

      • @syngod: I wasn’t aware that we were playing “gotcha.” I thought we were all just expressing to each other how the Holy Spirit was working in our lives. You have a beautiful story. I was just wondering why you don’t think Catholics believe the same thing. Jesus is my Lord and Savior. I gave my life to him long ago. I have no doubt that I will see Him in person one day. We know that Jesus is the “only way” to salvation. We are saved through the Blood of the Lamb, just like everyone else. Peace.

  114. @syndog: We were having a nice conversation expressing our views and opinions. Why, now, do I detect disdain from you? I respect your beliefs and opinions. Is it not right that I can expect the same respect from you without your disdainful and sarcastic remarks? That’s too bad, we were learning a lot about each other’s Faith. At least, I was. Peace.

  115. @syndog: Oh, my dear friend. Do you ever need a church history lesson. You also need to stop listening to anti-Catholic propaganda. What I meant when I said we have the Catholic Church to thank for the Bible, I know you don’t think I meant that the Church wrote it without the inspiration of God. Did you really think I meant that? Of course, God wrote it. That was unfair of you. The Catholic Church was responsible for putting the Bible together in the latter part of the 4th century. Damasus I and Doctors and Fathers of the Church were responsible for determining which books would make up the Canon of the Bible. They determined which manuscripts were inspired and which were not. And the Bible that the Church teaches from today is the same Bible. Nothing was added and nothing was taken away. You would have to address Luther for that stunt. What you call the “Aprocrapha” were considered inspired books and have been in the Bible since the 4th century. Yes, of course Peter was speaking in the past tense because it was after Jesus’ resurrection. How do you interpret 1 Pet 3:18-20 when Jesus, after His resurrection. went to preach to the “spirits” in “prison”? What prison? You know, there is only one interpretation of the Bible that is the truth. The Holy Spirit is a God of Truth, not confusion. Don’t you think that the people that wrote the Bible through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit know what they meant when they wrote it? If the Holy Spirit is not helping us read the Bible, we will take it out of context. If I am confused about something, I ask the “authors.” 1 Tim. 3:15 tells us that it is the “Church” that is the pillar and foundation of truth “not” the Bible. With all the denominations we have today, which Church is Jesus’ Church? The Bible tells us that if we cannot settle disputes with one another, we are to take it to the “Church.” Which Church? There was only one Church back then and that was the Church in Acts. I’m sorry my friend, whether you believe it or not, it was/is the Catholic Church. Oh, by the way, thanks. I’ll accept all prayers. We can all use them. I guess that makes you a “mediator.” Peace.

  116. @syndog: Good morning, my friend. Thank you for your post. To all the Biblical verses you cited, I say a big AMEN to all of them. Why would you think Catholics don’t believe it? We are “redeemed” by the Blood of the Lamb and by no other or nothing else. Regarding Baptism, we disagree. 1 Cor. 6:11 and 12:13 tells us the Baptized have “put on Christ.” :Through the Holy Spirit, Baptism is a bath that “purifies,” justifies and sanctifies.” Hence Baptism is a bath of water in which the “imperishable seed” of the Word of God produces its life-giving effect. Jesus tells us that to be born-again, we must be Baptized by water and the Holy Spirit.” He tells the Apostles to “go and teach all nations, Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Nothing we say or do saves us. Jesus is the greatest gift from God. The curse of that truth is that “we can never repay it.” When we are Baptized in Christ, all things are new. Laboring for years in the Church doesn’t give us the assurance of salvation. Only Christ’s death on the Cross does that. And whether we live a 100 yrs or die right after Baptism, we are still redeemed by the Cross. The one who dies right after Baptism has been made new. He was cleansed of all past sins. The one who dies at 100 was cleansed at Baptism and was made new but in all those years, he has racked up a good many sins that have to be answered for. He is still redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb, but will have to be purified of the “effects” of those sins. All sinful “tendencies” that we had built up during our life-time have to be erased. Examples: David was forgiven by God, but God still punished David. Moses was forgiven but still was punished. He could not enter the “promised land.” The children of God, after the “golden calf” had to wonder the desert for 40 yrs. and were not allowed to enter the “promised land.” Only their descendants could. Sin can be forgiven but the “healing” of our souls from those sinful “tendencies” has to take place. In other words, we have to be made “holy.” Heb, 12:14 tells us “Strive for peace with everyone, and for that “Holiness” without which no one will see the Lord. 1Pet. 1:15-16 tells us “as He who called you is “holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct, for it is written, “Be holy because I AM holy.” and last 1 Pet. 4:6 “For this is why the Gospel was preached “even to the dead” that, though condemned in the flesh in human estimation, “they might live in the spirit” in the estimation of God” If there were no Purgatory, why would the Gospel have to be preached to the dead? Peace.

    • JoAnn, thank you for citing 1 Peter 4:6 it makes my point for me, Peter writes that the gospel WAS preached not is or will be. He is speaking in the past tense, the ones he is speaking of have sadly missed their chance. Heb. 9:27 It is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the judgement. I have to be honest with you to get the idea of purgatory from Mt. 12:32 is a stretch. As I’m sure you know, Jesus is talking to the Pharisees, who were big on ritual and tradition, usually for monetary gain. Who does that sound like? Jesus levels his harshest words towards the Pharisees here and throughout the Bible, and Paul warned Peter about adding rituals from other religions to the basic beliefs of salvation. The church at Ephesus was warned about Goddess worship. Hmm. These same Pharisees had just accused Jesus of removing demons by the power of Beelzebub, to which Jesus, knowing their hearts warns that ignoring the call of the Holy Spirit, or attributing that call or work to Satan, will lead to eternal damnation. Lets be honest, the idea of purgatory and praying for the dead, as well as indulgences comes from 2 Mac 12:42-46. Catholics taught this and other doctrines for 1300 years before adding these books to the Bible. People wondered where these beliefs came from since they were not in the Bible, so these new books were added to validate their doctrine. By the way you mentioned that I should thank the Catholic church for my Bible, I would rather thank God for my Bible. I digress, these books that were added are also used by Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. Jewish scholars don’t recognize them, Jesus and his apostles never mention them. They are full of inaccuracies and fairy tales and contradict much of Biblical truth. We get the story of Judith who kills an Assyrian king when he was in reality Babylonian. Tobit teaches the use of magic. Tobit speaks of works leading to salvation, and the offering of money for repentance of sins. 2 Mac. teaches the offering of money for the sins of the dead. Judith tells us God assisted her in lying. Ecclesiasticus and the Book of Wisdom teach that sometimes it is ok to be immoral. The Book of Wisdom teaches that God made the universe out of pre-existing matter. These books add nothing to the gospel but do validate many of the Catholic doctrines. My Bible is historically accurate and infallible, the same cannot be said of the Apocrypha. Many of these same doctrines were practiced by the Pharisees. If you read your Bible you know what Jesus thought of the Pharisees, and what they thought of Jesus. Purgatory and indulgences benefit the Catholic church, not sinners, if you die unforgiven that is it, Jesus is very clear on that point. I know that I am not going to change your mind JoAnn, like a lot of my Catholic friends you have too many years of indoctrination, probably starting when you were sprinkled as an infant. I only hope that you will consider that you might be wrong. Thank you for your insights. I have enjoyed our conversations, I am unshaken in my beliefs. I have studied the doctrine of Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Muslims, etc. All they do is add to or take away from the true gospel, and are more concerned with power and money than truth. I know that the moment my heart stops beating I will be in the presence of my Lord and savior Jesus Christ. I still mess up, I am after all a redeemed sinner, but I know that nothing I can do will make God love me less. My hope and prayer is that everyone can find that peace. I will pray for you JoAnn, God bless you.

  117. According to John Shorey who just wrote the book, “The Lords Return” 2012 to 2020, he says Rev. 18 speaks of The U.S.A., but I believe it sounds more like the Vatican, however putting that aside, I have recently changed to mid-trib as opposed what I have believed all my life as pre-trib. One of the reasons I believe in mid-trib is that God has never let us go around a problem, we always have to go through, i.e. the Hebrew children in the fiery furnace, the Israelites going to the promised land, etc.etc. Anyway you look at it, we do have to prepare. Also, 2Thess. 2,3 points to the man of rebellion has to be present before the rapture. I also think the Bible or Revelation stops speaking of the church after Rev. 13 and only talks about the saints, or overcomers which leads me to believe a lot of church people will be deceived. It’s all boiling down to “trust and obey.”

  118. @ Eric: I hope I don’t step on anyone’s toes here. Anyway, here goes. All Catholics believe that Jesus is the “Rock.” That was never disputed. Jesus is our “Rock.” The reason Peter is called “rock” (notice small “r”) is because that is what the name Peter means. We believe that Jesus had a specific “role” in Church history for “Simon Barjona” when Jesus changed his name to Peter. Even if Protestants refuse to accept that Jesus built “His Church” on Peter, I don’t know how you can deny Jesus’ next words when Jesus “gave” to Peter the “keys to the Kingdom.” Since all events in the Old Testament forshadow the New Testament fulfillment in Jesus, I want to refer you back to the OT. In Isaiah 22:22 you will notice that the King appointed Eliakim as the Prime Minister of his kingdom. When the King did that, he told Eliakim that he was giving him the “keys to David’s kingdom.” Now Jesus being the perfect Jew and knowing the ancient Scriptures and followed all Jewish customs and Traditions, it would be remiss of Jesus to not leave a Prime Minister to take care of His Church until His return. So, when Jesus bestowed the “keys to the Kingdom” on Peter and told him that whatever Peter binds on Earth will be bound in Heaven and whatever Peter loosed on Earth would be loosed in Heaven, well, I don’t know how much plainer Jesus could be. Jesus also said that the “gates of Hell” would NOT prevail against His Church. That meant that Jesus knew how much persecution His Church would have to endure. Through all His Church’s trials and tribulations, Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would guide and protect her against all her persecutors and against all error. The OT kings ALWAYS appointed a “head master or prime minister” to run their kingdoms. Just as Pharoah did with Joseph. Just as King Hezakiah did with Eliakim and just as Jesus, our King did with Peter. Jesus also told Peter that “whoever hears you, hears Me; whoever rejects you, rejects Me; and whoever rejects Me, rejects the Father who sent Me.” Why don’t Protestants listen to Jesus and obey Him? Jesus, as we all know, is from the line of David. He calls Himself the Son of David. Since the “keys of David” were given to Eliakim to oversee the Kings kingdom, Jesus also gives the “keys to the kingdom” to Peter. What about this do you not accept or understand.? Peace.

      • The good thief experienced a “death-bed conversion. Therefore, from the moment of death, he was/is in paradise with Jesus. Baptists, Methodists, Mormons, Protestants in general were not on the planet until the 2
        16th century. Since Jesus established a Church that would be “universal” (Katholikos) with Jesus’ words the thief was a member of Jesus’ Church. Peace.

        • JoAnn, maybe it is because it is that simple. The thief realized he was unworthy, confessed his unworthiness to Jesus, and then put his faith in the saving power of Jesus, then asked Jesus to remember him in paradise. Period. Man has added and perverted that simple message not Jesus. Jesus warned in Mark of the leaven of the Pharisees (tradition, ritual), the leaven of Herod (power, money), and the leaven of the Sadducees (unbelief of scripture). All of which are man made, and man added. Gods plan is so simple yet we make it so hard. Ritual and tradition are all about power and control, God is all about love. We are incapable of doing anything to make God love us more, all our deeds are like filthy rags. While we were yet sinners God loved us so much that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth on him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Forget what anyone else says, that is what Jesus says. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am born again, an heir to heaven redeemed and justified, not because of anything I have done, but because of what Jesus did for me on the cross. I know that he sits at Gods right hand and intercedes for me everyday, and I know that he will greet me with open arms when I pass from this life to the next. My prayer is that everyone on this site, whatever denomination, will get on there knees confess their sins and ask The Lord to save them. Do it now before it is everlasting too late.

          • JoAnn, no I don’t believe that baptism washes away sin, I believe the blood of Christ washes away sin. Apparently if you wait till your deathbed to confess and seek repentance you can be sure of where you will go but if you labor in the church your whole life you have no assurance. Sad. My last question, JoAnn, do you believe that god’s grave is sufficient unto salvation? The word of God is very clear on this Eph 2:4-5, Eph2:7-9, Rom 3:20-26, Rom 5:1-2, Heb 13:9, 2Th 2:16-17. Most Catholics do not believe that it is, so I would like to know what you believe. If your answer is no please explain why. I agree with you that no unclean thing can enter heaven but the Bible says that Christ’s blood washes away sin and removes it as far from us as the east is from the west.

        • JoAnn, why did the thief go to paradise and not purgatory? Surely he had unconfessed sin, he was after all a thief. He was never baptised, never took confession. Shouldn’t all the Catholics in purgatory be upset that all the thief had to do was confess Christ as his savior, ask to be remembered, and then pass from this life directly into paradise?

          • Syndog: The thief did not need to go to Purgatory because it was an instant conversion. He technically was Baptized by “desire.” And, as you know, Baptism wipes away all sins. His words to Jesus was recognition of who Jesus was and he believed it and wanted to be a member of Jesus’s body. Sooo, since he was instantly Baptized by “desire” and died, he had no sins to pay for. Rev. 21:27 tells us that nothing “unclean” shall enter Heaven. By his Baptism, his sins were washed away and forgiven. Peace.

        • To JoAnn – syndog’s question was an excellent question – you left out Catholic. From what you said in your last sentence – did the thief on the cross become Catholic just before he died ?

          • Hi dave: My friend, go back and read my response to syndog. I didn’t leave out Catholic. Jesus’ Church is “Universal.” “Go teach to all the nations, (universal) Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” The “universal Church”, (Jesus’ Church) “Katholikos.” So, evidently the thief became a member of Jesus’ Church with his conversion. The NT was written mostly in Greek. Katholikos is the Greek word for Catholic/Universal. I’ve explained this to you before, remember? The first Christian Church on the planet was/is “Katholikos” and that Church is still in existence today after 2000 yrs. because Jesus promised that the “gates of Hell would not prevail against it.” Jesus promised a “paraclete” to guide and protect His Church. If the Holy Ghost is guiding her, as Jesus promised, she cannot make any errors regarding “faith and morals.” So all the doctrines and dogmas she teaches regarding “faith and morals” is from the Holy Spirit, therefore there cannot be any errors. Don’t you believe Jesus? Peace.

          • syndog: One more thing. The inferrence of Purgatory is also in the NT, only Protestants refuse to accept it, misinterpret it or take Jesus’ words out of context. The most important inference is Jesus’ own words: Mt. 12:32 “And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; BUT whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will NOT be forgiven, either in “this age” or “in the age to come.” Jesus implies that some sins can be forgiven in the next world. Sin cannot be forgiven in Hell. There is no sin to be forgiven in Heaven. Any remission of sin in the next world can only occur in Purgatory. Peace.

          • Syndog: I will spend some time in Purgatory. By the grace of God, I’ve lived a long and blessed life (over 70 yrs.) so I’m sure I have plenty of effects from those sins that have to be “purged.” Rev. 21:27 “Nothing unclean will enter Heaven.” I absolutely have been “forgiven” for those sins by the Blood of the Lamb, but the scars (“effects”) have to be “purged/cleaned” away. We cannot enter Heaven with those “tendencies” still in our nature. Remember the story of David and Bathsheba? David sinned “big time.” When David repented, God “forgave” him. BUT God still punished David. His son, born of Bathsheba, was taken by God. All choices have consequences. We can be forgiven with repentence but those “bad” choices have to be punished. This doctrine is hard for Protestants to believe because the Book of the Bible that taught this was removed by Luther when he left the Church and had the Bible printed in German. That is why Protestants think that it is not Biblical. But, it is Biblical. The Catholic Church back in the latter part of the 4th century, decided what manuscripts from the Prophets and the Torah and the New Testament were “inspired by God” It is the Catholic Church that we can thank for our (yours and mine) Bible. The only difference between them is that the Protestant Bible is “missing” 7 books. They both teach the very same Gospel. It’s like the Protestants are reading a book with several “chapters” torn out. It is no wonder that Protestant think that Catholics are teaching false doctrines. Their Bible is missing 7 books. Peace.

  119. @daveS: Hi, my friend. Hope you are doing well. I read Ken’s comments and he is very mistaken. I suggest Ken read all MY comments. I can’t believe that he was a Catholic for all those years and never came to understand our awesome Faith. The Catholic Faith IS deep and hard to live and understand but didn’t Jesus say ‘that the road to salvation is very narrow?” I’m not surprised a lot of people (including some Catholics) lose their “WAY” We do not worship at the graves of Saints. We worship no one but God, Period!!! Our Mass is our worship rite. It is the same Mass that was celebrated in the catacombs by the early Church while they were hiding from their persecutors. We do not think that we will be saved by “works.” We have always been taught that Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation. Ken must not have been listening in his Catechism classes or maybe he was “absent” those days. If what he commented is what he believes, well, he has every right to believe it. But do not take his comments seriously, he does not speak for true Catholics. He may be speaking for the “cafeteria” Catholics who pick and choose what from the Gospel, they want to believe and what they do not want to believe. I don’t know what is troubling Ken but I will keep him in my prayers. The manner in which he posted his comments sounds like he has a lot of disdain for the Catholic Faith. When “former” Catholics make comments like that, I tend to think that, in some way, he was hurt by someone in the Faith (a priest perhaps, etc) or some other reason that caused him to leave the Faith. And, of course, he may not even have been a Catholic and is just “stirring the pot” a little to invite debate. I’m not judging, only making objective observations. I have a friend who left the Church because of hurt feelings and misunderstandings. Stuff happens. My answer to that is “we don’t leave Jesus because of Judas.” God said that He doesn’t want anyone to perish, so He must have plans for all of us to lure us back to Him someway. Only God knows what “lurks in the heart of man,” not us. Not any of us. If we are honest with ourselves, we know our own heart, but no one elses. That’s why God is the Judge. When we start judging others, we are trying to be God, and that, you know, is a no no. Ken, I know you probably don’t like being discussed in the third person but dave invited a comment from me and I felt obligated to respond. Have a nice day, daveS. Nice to talk to you again. You have a nice day too, Ken. Peace.

  120. I pray the Catholics of today would read the Word of God and compare it to “their history books”. Let God speak directly to them, the only
    “Mediator between God and man is the man Christ Jesus “. Then they would see just what the Romans did to destroy/distort all Jesus taught and the Apostles practiced in the 1st Church.


    • @Frank Brafa: That is absolutely true. The only “Mediator between God and man is the man Christ Jesus.” What you fail to remember is that when we are Baptized, we are Baptized into the death and resurrection of Jesus. When we are Baptized, we enter into the Body of Christ. We are one with Jesus. And since we are one with Jesus and since he is the Mediator, that makes us mediators too. The hand cannot say that I am just a hand, separate from all else. That’s absurd. The hand is one object that makes the body whole. Have we not asked someone to pray for us? Has someone not ever ask us to pray for them? That makes us “mediators.” Peace

    • “We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists–that with them is the Word of God, which we received from them; otherwise we should have known nothing at all about it.”- Martin Luther

      • Thank you, john. I know that quote well, but I never thought to cite it. I have many other quotes from Luther, especially about Mary. I should use them the next time the topic of Mary comes up. God bless you, my friend. Peace.

  121. The Counsel of Nicea in 325 AD is when water baptism was changed from Jesus name to the titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. The doctrine of the trinity was introduced also. This is the foundation of the Catholic Church. The Apostles never taught these doctrines. Oneness is the foundation of the true Church. Baptism was always done in Jesus name in the New Testament Church. That is why the Roman Catholic Church is Babylon.

    • To Kenneth Pitcock – your post was well said and accurate and especially when you mentioned that Oneness is the foundation of the true church. I hope you are promoting that truth when you have the opportunity to do so and continue to do so on here.

      • @daveS: That’s the truth. That is what the Catholic Church teaches. The Church is One, Holy, Catholic (Universal) and Apostolic. That’s what we profess, especially in the Mass celebration (the Lord’s Supper) Peace.

  122. Though I don’t claim the knowledge of all things…my Bible speaks against sin…and some are an abomination. I do not happen to believe in organized religion although there are some set as pastors and other governments of the church…in the end in Revelations all of the seven churches are found wanting …..
    all those that cry out for Christ shall be saved…however as most churches have perverted the word of God and have taught things wrongly I do feel millions will be in err of God’s Word. It tells you to study to shew thyself approved and I believe that those who only go to church and get their learning there are going to find themselves lost.
    Paul argued that some said they were of him and others of Phillip but all were of Jesus Christ. I think the answer lies in making yourself right with Him and the church that is talked of can be where there are 3 or more gathered in His name…the real church is the Body of Christ.

  123. Catholics are the original Christians, all others who left the faith have protested against the church that God instituted. Catholics say “there is room at the foot of the Cross for all who are lost, meet us there”.
    God has opened the door for all sinners to find salvation thru Jesus Christ, Catholics invite everyone to come and receive the gift of salvation. Catholics do not judge who is allowed to seek salvation, and who is not allowed, it’s not for us to judge. JP Cory needs to re-think his misguided views and concentrate more on helping God save souls. JP Cory needs to spend less time worrying about Catholics and ask God to open his heart to understanding the truth.

    • After 12 years of Roman Catholic indoctrination in a Catholic grade school (years as an Altar Boy) and Catholic (high school) Academy I thoroughly understand “salvation” as defined by the RCC. Biblical Christianity is a bit different. RCC salvation is one of works. If you are good enough you will someday maybe go to heaven after spending who knows how long in Purgatory being cleansed of your sins. Christianity is salvation by Grace. It was the Fathers display of Grace on the Cross that Jesus told the thief on the cross beside Him that he would be with Him in paradise that day. Salvation by grace through faith was the original teaching of the Catholic Church (not the same as Roman Catholic Church)So my point is RCC is not the original Christian Church. The facts of history show that gradually, over several hundred years, the early church, and especially the church in Rome (Roman Catholic Church) added many man-made traditions to the simple truth of Christianity. By the third century, they were baptizing babies and worshipping at the graves of “saints.” By the fifth century the Catholic Church accepted Original Sin and Transubstantiation. Eventually, the Catholic Church invented false teachings and practices such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary, Purgatory, indulgences, celibate priests papal infallibility and the like. Some of these are unbiblical traditions, others are false doctrines. – See more at: http://www.evidenceforchristianity.org/where-and-when-did-the-catholicism-begin/#sthash.K0EcQY2i.dpuf

      • Ken , You’re story of once being blessed and being in the Catholic faith, and then having heard other voices speaking inside your head and telling you to leave , is very common among those protesting against God. When Moses went up to speak with God, the people like you were changing things to conform to their own wishes and desires, worshipping a golden calf and making up their own rules, the same way you have done when you rebelled and protested against everything Jesus established through the Apostles. The disdain that burns inside your heart towards Catholic Christians consumes you and apparently eats away at your very soul. It is more important to you than anything else in your life, this obsession to try and attack and destroy the church that Jesus instituted through Peter and the Apostles. The proof is in your words, your words are a reflection of what’s in your heart. There is no love in your heart for your brothers and sisters in Christ who call themselves Catholics. There is no love in your heart for the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of Jesus .. God said in Genesis , that there would be enmity between the devil and the Woman … the devil and his followers have always, and will always hate “the Woman” , just as he hates babies. Because the devil knew that the Savior was coming to this world through the Blessed Mother. The Arch Angel Gabriel appeared to the Blessed Virgin , and she said that all generations shall call her “Blessed”. Let me ask you, Eric, daveS and the others who hate the Woman, when is the last time you called her “Blessed” ?? You hang on every word of scripture, but you pick and choose those words don’t you? You can’t serve two masters, and thus you refuse to call the Blessed Mother of Jesus “The Blessed Virgin Mary”. That’s all we need to know, it tells us everything we need to know about who you align yourself with. Any follower of Christ would seek to obey his words and receive holy communion, because without it Jesus said “you have no life in you”. So here you are, a) disobeying Jesus by ignoring his words to eat the Lamb of God while trashing his church before the world … b) Dis-respecting his Mother, by not calling her “Blessed” while trashing her before the world … c) risking your own salvation by attempting to lead others away from the faith that the Holy Spirit has led them to hold onto …. and then you want us to read things that you found on the internet? Well nothing you find on the internet will trump our faith in Jesus Christ. Nothing in your anti-Catholic, anti-Blessed Virgin Mary internet sites will ever defeat what the Holy Spirit has convicted in our hearts. You’re making a grave error and you and your friends really need to do some soul searching and self examination into your own protesting ways. Do you even realize that you are trying to destroy the church that Jesus said would prevail against the gates of hell? Think about what you’re doing.

          • @Eric: Taskforce4US, I hope you don’t mind but I’m going to answer Eric’s question. Of course, all Baptized Catholics are “born again.” Just like any other person Baptized into Christ’s Body. Sooo, again, yes, yes, yes. All Baptized Catholics are “born again. Peace.

    • Taskforce4us first statement is false. Jews were the original Christians, Matthew, Mark, John, Paul….
      Secondly, Catholics left the faith…therefore, the Reformation. Catholics have yet to repent.

      • A Jew is from the tribe of Judah.And does not represent all the tribes of Israel.Or all the Hebrew peoples.They are just one tribe only.Lets not forget the “tares”.Or the sons of Cain.Called the Kennites.People have lost track of who the Israelites are.They are not just Jews.Sorry if I offend anyone.The truth has no change.

        • There were 12 Hebrew tribes. Judah is the line that Jesus came from That is why Jesus is called the “Lion of Judah.” Check the Bible for the names of the other 11 tribes. Peace.

      • Well said and excellent point Eric. I might add that Peter and the other disciples were also Jews and therefore could not have been Catholic because Catholism didnt exist at that time. If any Catholics on here want to challenge that – state one scripture that explicitly and precisely states they were Catholic or that Peter was the first Pope, and do so without putting some spin or twist on and an existing scripture, or use what some previous Pope, Catholic Bishop, or Catholic Priest ever stated.

        • Matt 16
          17And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18″I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19″I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”…

          • Response to JohntheB and Matt 16: The translation in English is misleading. The original language should show Jesus is the Rock. Catholics mistakenly build a church on Peter. Real Christians build our church and our lives on Jesus, not Peter.

          • johntheB – Jesus DID say that but how does that make Peter the first Pope ?
            Since you think he was the first Pope – why dont you do what he said to do in Acts 2:38, Acts 10:47-48, (baptising in water in the Name of Jesus) and do what he and John did in Acts 8:14-17 when they went to Samaria and layed hands on the believers there so they would receive the Holy Ghost ? Not only does the Catholic church not do what Peter said to do and did – they say it is NOT neccesary to do it !

          • @Eric: You asked TaskforceforUS the same question and I took the liberty to answer for Taskforce and myself. Yes, of course, I’m born again. I was born-again when I was Baptized into Christ’s Body. Peace.

        • Dear JoAnn, I suggest that you go on Goggle and research Luther’s 95 Theses and people “burned at the stake” because they wanted to print and read the Bible in their own language instead of Latin.

          • To JoAnn – what Ken said at 10:04 am today is totaly accurate and is the same topics you and I have been debating about for the last month – baptising babies, praying to Mary, celibacy of priests, immersion vs. sprinkling or pouring of water, Purgatory, and especially baptism in Jesus Name. He said it better than I have – read what he said and then please read it several more times.

          • @Eric: Luther’s 95 theses was the reason he was excommunicated from the Church. He was teaching the false doctrine that we are saved by “faith alone” which is not Biblical and was in direct contradiction to the epistle of James. As a matter of fact, when he left the Catholic Church he took it upon himself to alter the Bible so that it would fit his personal theology. He was a German and he had the Bible printed in German. When he did that, he REMOVED 9 books of the Bible including James and Revelation. He removed James saying it was an “epistle of straw.” The only place “faith alone” appeared in the Bible was in James 2:24 & 26. Luther inserted “faith alone” in Romans. Later, James and Revelation were reinserted because “elders” objected to Luther removing them. Sooo, today the Protestant Bible is still missing 7 books. The Catholic Bible is the original Bible (with no changes, ever) The Catholic Church is responsible for gracing the world with the original Bible in the latter part of the 4th century. The Catholic Church determined which manuscripts were “inspired by God.” That means that Protestants teach from the “same” Bible the Catholic Church teaches from, only the Protestant Bible is missing 7 books. When the Apostles became members of Jesus Church, they became Jews that converted to Christianity. AND the first Christian Church on the planet was Catholic. The NT was written in mostly Greek. Since Jesus’ Church was meant to be the “universal” Church, the Greek word for universal is katholikos (Catholic). If you want to read history of the Church, read some of the original “Doctors of the Church” and read from the original “Fathers of the Church.” St. Ignatius of Antioch, who was the Bishop of Antioch, taught by John, yes the Gospel & Revelation writer, and ordained to the Bishopric by Peter himself always referred to the Church as being “Katholikos.” Sooo, from the moment Jesus established His universal (Katholikos) Church (not churches) upon Peter, it has been known as the “Catholic Church.” The Catholic Church has been in existence for 2000 yrs. plus. None of her doctrines have ever been changed from day one. She still teaches what Jesus and the Apostles taught with no deviation whatsoever. That is why she is called “Apostolic.” No other Church on the planet besides the Orthodox Church can make that claim. Protestant churches are not Apostolic. They are man-made ever since Luther left the Catholic Church. So Protestant churches have been around since the 16th century. The Catholic Church has been around since 33AD when Jesus established her. What people do not realize is that “Christianity” is a philosophy, not a religion. Religions are what “teach” the philosophy. So every religion that teaches and believes that Jesus is the only way to salvation and that Jesus is devine and is the Son of God the Father, is a Christian Church and the Catholic Church is and was the only Christian Church on the planet before the 16th century and has taught this Gospel since her inception. Now, that’s a history lesson. Whether you believe it or not is up to you and God. I do not want to debate or argue about it. Truth is Truth. And the only Truth that is important is Jesus. Peace.

  124. @johntheB: It’s up to you but if I were you, I wouldn’t waste any more time with JPCory. He doesn’t practice the Catholic Faith. That’s why he misinterprets everything to suit his own beliefs. All he wants to do is argue and debate, just like the Pharisees did to Jesus, trying to trick Him As for me, except for keeping him in my prayers, I’m done with him. Grow in Faith my friend. I enjoy reading your posts. Peace.

    • The “first church” is the church that is recorded in the New Testament, especially in the Book of Acts and the Epistles of Paul. The New Testament church is the “original church” and the “one true church.” We can know this because it is described, in great detail, in Scripture. The church, as recorded in the New Testament, is God’s pattern and foundation for His church. On this basis, let’s examine the Roman Catholic claim that it is the “first church.” Nowhere in the New Testament will you find the “one true church” doing any of the following: praying to Mary, praying to the saints, venerating Mary, submitting to a pope, having a select priesthood, baptizing an infant, observing the ordinances of baptism and the Lord’s Supper as sacraments, or passing on apostolic authority to successors of the apostles. All of these are core elements of the Roman Catholic faith. If most of the core elements of the Roman Catholic Church were not practiced by the New Testament Church (the first church and one true church), how then can the Roman Catholic Church be the first church? A study of the New Testament will clearly reveal that the Roman Catholic Church is not the same church as the church that is described in the New Testament.

      The New Testament records the history of the church from approximately A.D. 30 to approximately A.D. 90. In the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries, history records several Roman Catholic doctrines and practices among early Christians. Is it not logical that the earliest Christians would be more likely to understand what the Apostles truly meant? Yes, it is logical, but there is one problem. Christians in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries were not the earliest Christians. Again, the New Testament records the doctrine and practice of the earliest Christians…and, the New Testament does not teach Roman Catholicism. What is the explanation for why the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century church began to exhibit signs of Roman Catholicism?

      The answer is simple – the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century (and following) church did not have the complete New Testament. Churches had portions of the New Testament, but the New Testament (and the full Bible) were not commonly available until after the invention of the printing press in A.D. 1440. The early church did its best in passing on the teachings of the apostles through oral tradition, and through extremely limited availability to the Word in written form. At the same time, it is easy to see how false doctrine could creep into a church that only had access to the Book of Galatians, for example. It is very interesting to note that the Protestant Reformation followed very closely after the invention of the printing press and the translation of the Bible into the common languages of the people. Once people began to study the Bible for themselves, it became very clear how far the Roman Catholic Church had departed from the church that is described in the New Testament.

      Scripture never mentions using “which church came first” as the basis for determining which is the “true” church. What it does teach is that one is to use Scripture as the determining factor as to which church is preaching the truth and thus is true to the first church. It is especially important to compare Scripture with a church’s teaching on such core issues as the full deity and humanity of Christ, the atonement for sin through His blood on Calvary, salvation from sin by grace through faith, and the infallibility of the Scriptures. The “first church” and “one true church” is recorded in the New Testament. That is the church that all churches are to follow, emulate, and model themselves after.

      Recommended Resources: The Gospel According to Rome: Comparing Catholic Tradition and The Word of God by James McCarthy and Logos Bible Software.

      • I have upheld completely Christian Doctrine to it’s upmost. If your Christianity has deviated from the Pure Christian Doctrine, then yes, I can see that you would be offended. Which goes to the Origin of this post. Who are the False Christians? Look at the “Nostra Aetate” of Pope Paul VI. It claims that Hinduism, Islam, and other religions have valid spiritual truths. Pope John Paul II was going around the world compromising the Gospel Truth by telling other religions that he found spiritual truths in every religion he encountered. Either God Can be Found through ALL religions… OR… He can only be found through Christ! The Bible is PERFECTLY Clear that God can only be found through the Christ Jesus… which leaves Catholicism believing all Religions lead to Rome (Universalism… Catholicism)!!!
        Either the Popes are right… OR… the Bible is right… but Catholics can’t have it both ways… That would put God against Himself!!!

        • spiritual truth is different than the Salvation of Jesus Christ.

          If all non believers turn to the Church of the Son of God they can find Salvation.

          I believe that the Popes have left the door open to non believers with the hope that they will learn the truth of Jesus Christ and turn to the Church of the Son of God. This is done rather than to automatically condemn non believers.

          Do Rabbinical Jews have spiritual truth, even thought they do not recognize Jesus Christ as their Savior?

          • Jesus Christ IS THE SPIRITUAL TRUTH!!! How in the world is that DIFFERENT than the Salvation of Christ?!!! The Salvation of Christ is Spiritual Truth!!! To believe otherwise is heretical. To believe Christ gained His Rightousness through the Righteousness of Mary… is heretical!!! Anyone who does not accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior… does not have Spiritual Truth. Anyone who rejects the Salvation of Christ… rejects the Spiritual Truth that Christ Alone is Lord and Savior… thus has no life within them. Jesus Christ is Life… all life came through him (John1). Spiritual Truth is not relative… it is Completely Contained within the pure nature of Christ. This is all Biblically validated… unlike your statements where you get to claim Papal Authority to supercede Biblical Authority. Christ leads to the Father, Rome leads to Rome. Rome is just a city like any other. The Pope is just a man… he does not have any more or less spirit or greater access to the Holy Spirit than anyone else… yet many hold him higher than all throughout the land. Coincidence?… Or by Design? There were many Churches established in the NT. Each one had their own set of problems. Scripture was the source for solutions. Scripture was the tradition used to evaluate and solve the problems of the Churches. All of the Apostles resorted to Scripture. Why??? Because THAT IS what their Teacher did. Creating New Traditions did not solve any Church problem… they only created new problems.
            Christ never held to tradition… but he always held to Scripture.

  125. “Are you doing everything to get right with God.” … Catholic Fundamentalist ad.
    This is the problem with Catholicism!
    The Bible is clear… You can’t do ANYTHING to get right with God!!!
    Jesus did it RIGHT for You!

  126. Dave, Yes, we Catholics also believe in the importance of Baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit. We are in agreement on being Baptized and believing in Jesus as our Savior. Are you thinking that we don’t believe in being baptized? Or are you saying only fully immersed people are only baptized? The Baptized person is receiving a gift from God. The reason I asked about receiving Holy Communion is because it is an act of faith and obedience on our part. Baptism is a gift where as eating the body and blood of Jesus is an act of faith and a show of obedience. I believe all baptized people receive the gift of the holy spirit, but not all baptized persons are being obedient and receiving the Eucharist in an act of faith. Some people here on this message board believe it’s “just a piece of bread” .. that contradicts what Jesus says. Do you understand better my point? Why be so concerned about how a person was baptized? be happy that they are baptized. But do be concerned if people don’t believe we are eating the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. That seems to present a bigger problem than how a person got baptized, in water or with water poured over their heads. See my point? God Bless

    • Baptism in the Catholic Church occurs when you about 6 months old. Baptism has nothing to with personal choice… but the choice of the Catholic Church. The infant does not choose to be baptised into the Catholic Church… The Catholic Church chooses to baptise the infant into the Catholic Church. This is pure spiritual kidnapping! The Catholic Church stakes it’s claim over the spiritual future of the child… as well as the “spiritual education” of the child… Not a Christian education… but a Catholic education. The Bible is perfectly clear that Christianity is a PERSONAL Choice… it is not decided by anyone else… (the Ethiopian Eunuch for example). The Bible is clear that there will be those professing a false Christian Message, and I have demonstrated many ways in how the CC teaches a different Gospel that what Christ taught. Liars will always defend their lies… whether they realize it… or not.

  127. The Catechism distinctly teaches that it is possible for husband and wife to commit adultery with each other… within the bonds of matrimony. Orgasm without intercourse acourding to Catechesis… is ADULTERY!!! Biblically… how can a husband and wife commit adultery!!! YOU CAN’T!!! But the Holy Roman Catholic Church needs the Doctrine of Perpetual Virginity and the role of Holy Joseph Most Chaste Spouse to validate their power to perpetuate the Holy Roman Catholic Church to perpetuate the Catholic Church. This is all about POWER!!! EARTHLY POWER!!! Power over Husbands, Power Over Wives, Power over the Marriage Bed, Power over the Children born out of the Marriage Bed… all to fund the Holy Roman Cash Cow!!! Ever Notice whenever you move into a New Parish… you are always helping to pay out into the Latest and greatest Multi-Million dollar “Building Fund”. Once you help pay off one… Guess What!!! New Building FUND!!!! REALLLY!!!!!!!! The Catholic Church OWNS YOUR SOUL FOR THEIR EXISTENCE!!!! AS LONG AS THEY OWN YOUR SOUL… AND THE SOUL OF YOUR CHILDREN… YOU WILL KEEP PAYING THEM OFF!!!! I am sorry that you can’t see that. So DON’T “YOU know nothing about the Catechism and the Catholic Faith”!!! I Lived it for 33 years!!! IT IS YOU WHO DON”T UNDERSTAND THE TOTALITY OF THE CATECHISM and the CATHOLIC FAITH!!! IT IS PURE IDOLITRY!!! THE “CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GOD”!!! by Catholic assesment.
    That is not why Christ went to the Cross!!!

    • do you have evidence of what you post? If a husband and wife commit an unnatural act is that approved as long as they are married?

      I am sorry that you have such anger and hatred for the Catholic Church. Your rant does not make much sense.

      Is there a pure denomination?

      • Jesus Christ IS PURE Christianity… He is not denominational… HE IS FOUNDATIONAL!!!
        All denominations step off the Foundation with human thought and theology.
        Catechism of the Catholic Church: Part Three, Article 6 “The Sixth Commandment”.
        2351 “Sexual Pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its Procreative and Unitive purposes.”
        If a husband desires to be with his wife for sexual pleasure… in this case is morally disordered because the desire is his… not of his wife. This is under the sixth commandment… “Thou shalt not commit Adultery.” A wife who desires to be with her husband… is seeking for her self interest as well… to feel loved… thus she is self seeking for her needs. O.K. … I know you are all now saying that that is not the intent of this Doctrine… but that is what it says. Marriage is a self fulfilling need… otherwise… no one would need to get married… Like Priests and Nuns. This teaching is so Gnostic that the Catholic Church has destroyed the GOD ORDAINED Relationship of Marriage… Marriage is a Duty… not a relationship.
        This ties directly into the Birth Control Issue. “With God, All things are possible except for the interferrence of Birth Control” . There is absolutely no way God can defeat Birth Control?!!!
        There are many who have had unplanned children despite BC!!! So apparently God Can and Does. The Catholic Church also teaches the moral regulation of Births… 2368… which IS Birth Control!!!… but promote Abstainence (Chastity) to make this issue Morally Acceptable to … WHO???… the Holy Roman Catholic Church!!! SEX is a Gift from God… the Catholic Church AGREES!!! But sex is like your own personal Gift… just like your eyes, hands, mouth, and every other part of your body. Using your eyes is personally gratifying… but is it immoral? God clearly defines sexual immorality… But the Catholic Church (Pharisees) have added to God’s word as to what is acceptable and what isn’t. Can you use your mouth immorally??? Of Course… ESPECIALLY if you eat meat on Friday!!! (Fish is not meat!) Many of the Church Fathers were corrupted by gnostic teaching including Thomas of Aquinus and Jerome. They were right on some things, they were wrong on others. In Galatians 2:11-21, Paul had to correct Peter… Peters theology was Corrupted!!! If Peters Theology was corrupted a few years after the Assension… how can the Catholic Church NOT be corrupted after several hundred years… much less 2000 years? THAT IS WHY MUST ALWAYS GO BACK TO CHRIST!!! He is the PURE Standard!!! That is exactly what Paul did in Galations… He went straight to the AUTHORITY OF CHRIST to correct Peter!!!
        The Catholic Church dismisses the idea that the Song of Songs is a picture of Marital Sexuallity, that it is “Symbolism of the Catholic Church”… A symbol of the Catholic Church…Really… “This is my body”… “This is the Catholic Church”… oh… there is nothing symbolic about That… Catholics are always trying to fit Doctrine to “Catholic Standard” rather than “Christian Standard”… if the doctrine doesn’t fit the Bible… there is a way to make it fit…
        Mat 1:25, Mk 6:3.
        You can use Mat 7:28-29 to verify what I have said here.

  128. JP Cory: You know nothing about the Catechism or the Catholic Faith. And you are not reading my responses to you. If you were, you would not be harping on the same questions and topics. According to you, I’m wondering why you even believe the Bible, since it was written by the “dreaded false religion Catholics.” I’ve explained Catholic/Christian theology for every accusation of false teaching. I was not arguing, I was trying to explain “why” we believe what we do. Whether you believe it or not is totally up to you and God. You are argumentative, uncivil, and it’s questionable that you are even a christian, because real Christians would not be as abusive as you are. You, isolate, ridicule and attack and I refer you to Matthew 10:14-15. Peace, my friend. I will keep you in my prayers.

  129. @JP Cory: Jesus is the source of salvation, not the Church. That’s a BIG AMEN!!!! That’s what Catholics believe and that’s what the Catholic Church teaches. True Catholics believe what I said below. Some apostate Catholics do not. Peace.

    • A true seed of GOD wud hear this message and beg to knw more bt a serpent seed will never agree because they have itchy ears and have given heed to seductive and deceptive spirits.. Bro JP Cory keep opening d ears of GOD’s true bride. Shalom!

  130. JPCory: Christ is the only way to salvation and no other. A big AMEN. That’s what Catholics believe and that’s what Catholics teach. And when Jesus says that “unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have “no life in you,” well, that’s all the truth I need. Have you ever considered that your vision was not of Heaven. Just like Joseph Smith & other false faiths that have had visions. who do not believe Jesus. When Jesus speaks, I listen. Do you? Peace.

    • Jesus is the Rock confirmed by my Vision. HE IS THE SOURCE OF SALVATION!!! Not the Church. The “Purpose Driven Church” (which is a lie unto itself… Christ IS the purpose… has been… always will be) is to preach the UNCORRUPTED Gospel. It is Catholicism that has added to the Gospel those things that are not there. You are INTENTIONALLY twisting the Words of Christ… “unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you have no life in you”. It is so far out of context… It Is Condemned. Even Catholics say it is “Spiritual Food” and “Spritual Drink”… but yet it is physical. You are clearly living the Deception. Yes, Jesus is clearly talking about the Spiritual… but he is NOT talking about the Physical… and you know that… but refuse to believe what you know… that is the power of deception!!! Every Idol in the world has a “spiritual presence”… that is why many are drawn to them. The question is “What spirits inhabit these idols?” They are the fallen spirits. All idols are “transubstantiated” in their own right… the eucharist is of the same belief.
      If you need more than what Christ has provided… then it is you that has the “Wrong Christ”.

      • JP Cory,
        Your post is rambling and a bit confusing,
        the Catholic Church did not add to scripture (not the gospel) Martin Luther removed parts of the New Testament that he did not agree with.

        When Jesus said do this in memory of me, did he mean it, or was it a suggestion?

        Jesus said THIS is my body, and THIS is my blood, was that for confusion?

        • The Catholic Church adds to Scripture through the Catechism… and reinterprets scripture to fit Catholic Doctrine.
          Christianity teaches that the Sacrifice on the Cross is complete and final… “it is finished.”
          Man cannot do ANYTHING to add to the Sacrifice to make it more meaningful… in fact, everything man does to “improve the cross” actually takes away from the cross.
          Catholicism teaches that the cross is not complete without the sacraments… complete submission to the Holy Roman Catholic Church… (brainwashing). That is why Catholicism makes sense to you, but not Christianity. There is no salvation in the perverted gospel.
          Can God make God? Can Man make God? Reducing Jesus into a piece of bread is a man made idea to control the hearts of many. It is the bait for the perverted gospel. Your Church History has been authorized by the Catholic Church for a reason. Perhaps you should go to the “other Church Histories” and try to verify the Catholic positions. Not everyone suscribed to Transubstantiation. Marian Theology was almost non-existent… But Paul, Peter, and John all testified to false gospels being preached. There were many being deceived. Why is the Catholic Church so intrested in “Catholics”… rather than “Christians”?

      • @JP Cory: If Jesus did not mean what He said literally, why did some of the disciples walk away? “Jn 6:66″ They walked away because they “knew” Jesus meant just what He said. If Jesus was speaking symbolically, why didn’t He tell them it was symbolic? In 1 Cor, 11:26-29, Paul says “Every time, then, you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until He comes! (which by the way is said at every Catholic Mass) This means that whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord “unworthily” sins against the body and blood of the Lord. A man should examine himself first; only then should he eat the bread and drink of the cup. He who eats and drinks without “recognizing” the body, “eats and drinks” a judgment on himself?” If the Eucharist is symbolic, why do we condemn ourselves if we eat and drink “unworthily?” You have never really answered that. In 1 Cor. 10:16 Paul also says “Is not the cup of blessing we bless a sharing in the “blood” of Christ? And is not the bread we break a sharing in the “body” of Christ?” You, my friend are the one deceived and just like the “father of lies” you are deceiving others. To all reading this post, verify and discern it for yourselves. Pray to the Holy Spirit and read chapter 6 in John. Melchesediek gave Abraham bread and wine. The first foreshadowing of the Eucharist. Then at Passover, the Israelites were told to “eat” the lamb and spread its blood on the door (another foreshadowing) The Israelites “ate” manna in the desert. (another foreshadowing) Jesus fed the 5000 with bread. (Another foreshadowing) Then Jesus instituted the Eucharist at the Last Supper and told the Apostles to “eat and drink” and to do what He did in remembrance of Him. If all those instances were literally “substances” to eat and drink, why would Jesus mean it to be symbolic when He said the above? I am not taking anything out of context. Remember, the Bible was written by Catholics (converted Jews & gentiles) I would think they knew what they meant when they wrote it. AND we are taught what they meant by the authors themselves. Were you? Peace.

  131. daveS – - What is your opinion on my post about “The Bread of Life”? You seem concerned about following your personal perceptions regarding biblical scripture concerning “Baptism”, interested if you have the same concern over Jesus instructions on the Bread of Life….. As far as Baptism, do you want infants to be fully immersed under water? Jesus made it clear that even the little children should be brought to the Cross of God’s mercy, grace and salvation. Proof of having received these gifts through speaking in tongues, etc., sounds like it invites the problem of people becoming focused on themselves and could lead to boastful, egotistical, full of self pride exhibitions of showing others how great you are and how much better you are at displaying these proofs. It takes the spotlight away from what Jesus did on the Cross , and turns the spotlight on yourself , it just doesn’t sound like it fits the definition of a person who was saved from death, it doesn’t seem to be based in humility when we focus on judging how well others display gifts of the Spirit, or how well we prove our own gifts to others. That doesn’t seem to be the central message that we should take from the word of God. The Catholic Mass is a very solemn remembrance of Jesus sacrifice for our salvation. When we thank a merciful God for the grace we have received, it has nothing to do with focusing on our own gifts, characteristics or attributes. We are in a total battle throughout life to continually REPENT from sin. Yes , agree we all have gifts of the Holy Spirit as believers who have been Baptized and received the gift from God. But Christians shouldn’t be focused on judging each others levels of gifts or how they were Baptized and whether it had enough water touching all the persons skin. That seems like splitting hairs and takes away from the true focus of what is most important…which is, did the person get Baptized? I’m surprised you don’t show the same intensive concern for missing out of the Bread of Life, the Holy Eucharist served at the Catholic Mass. Jesus says that without it you have no life in you. God Bless

    • What is your interpretation of “idols”? All civilizations had their idols… inanimate objects possesing the spiritual essence of their “god”… hence “transubstantiation”. Their is no other way to intrepret the reality of “living idols”… in the minds of men… they are all “living gods”.

    • Taskforce4us – as always I never mean to offened or insult anyone and thank you for your question. I think your post about the Bread of Life was true in that Jesus did say to do that – which I also do – but call it Communion – and will always continue to do so. Your post was intelligently written, but it was incomplete. I am MORE than concerned about water baptism because of what Jesus said about it in Mark 16:16 which is ” He that believes and is baptised shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be DAMNED “, – how could anyone not be very concerned about the possibility of being damned ??? And ALSO what Peter, Paul, and Jesus’s disciples said to do and did in the book of Acts which was be baptised in JESUS NAME and be baptised with the Holy Ghost. Please read my post again about that on Oct. 24 @ 6:15 pm. It is totaly illogical to think that all anyone needs to do is keep the Eucharist/Communion to be saved and I am definantly not saying to not keep the Eucharist. Like I said previously – why not do ALL that Jesus and his disciples said to do and be SURE of our salvation – why not just do it and be SURE ??
      Regarding baptising babies – a baby or a young child is sinless, has nothing to repent of, cant be believing anything is true or false, and therefore cant be in any danger of being damned at that point. That said – what difference would it make to sprinkle, pour water on, or immerse a baby at baptism and what is accomplished by doing any of that ? Please give me an explicit and precisely worded scripture that babies were baptised at any time by any of Jesus’s disciples or Paul, and not what some previous Catholic Pope, Bishop, or Catholic Priest ever said about it.
      Regarding what you said about tongues and what it may invite – read Irvin Baxter’s topic on ” Tongues – Divilish or Divine” on this website.
      I have never had, or now have, any anger toward any PERSON that attends a Catholic church, but I will always promote – by using only scripture – what the book of Acts says regarding salvation, what we must do, and precisely explains what that is.

  132. JoAnn – on Oct. 16, 2013 @ 2:20 pm you said “….the Apostles Baptized by “immersion” or pouring of water – please give me one scripture where it mentions that “pouring of water” was done at any time when water baptism was performed so I can be aware of that.
    Regarding tongues – you said ” Paul said it is not necessary for salvation” and then quoted 1 Cor.:19-21 where you think he is saying that. When you quoted that scripture you left out the first four words which are ” YET IN THE CHURCH…..” All of what he said in those scriptures was refering to the conduct they should have IN CHURCH and none of what he said hinted that tongues wasn’t needed for salvation.
    It was Paul that said in Acts 19: 2-6 where he came upon certain disciples ” Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed ? And they said unto him “We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. (3) And he said unto them ” Unto what then were ye baptised ? And they said unto John’s baptism (John the Baptist). (4) Then said Paul ” John verily baptised with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people that they should believe on Him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.” (5) When they heard this they were baptised in the NAME of THE LORD JESUS. (6) And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Ghost came on them and they SPAKE WITH TONGUES and prophesied.” Those scriptures indicate several things – that they did NOT get the Holy Ghost just because they were believers, that they NEEDED to be baptised in the NAME of JESUS and Paul RE-BAPTISED them. Verse 7 says, ” And all the men were about twelve”. So here we have Paul taking 12 men to water, which may have been a substantial distance, baptising all of them, then laying hands on all 12 of them so they COULD receive the Holy Ghost, and when they DID receive the Holy Ghost – they SPOKE in TONGUES and prophesied. All that took a substantial effort and amount of time by Paul – how could Paul possibly have had the attitude that baptism in JESUS NAME was not necessary and that speaking in Tongues (as the Spirit gave utterance) was not necessary ???
    Also – I want to inject here that in EVERY recorded instance that the disciples baptised in the book of Acts – Acts 2:38, Acts 8:16, Acts 9:18, Acts 10: 47-48, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, Acts 22:16 – it was in the name of Jesus, or in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Nowhere did the disciples use father, son, or Holy Ghost, or any combination of those words there-of when they baptised in water – not one time.
    In my next post I want to address what Jesus said in Mat. 28:19 and how his disciples were precisely obediant to his command when they later baptised in water.

    • @daveS: Good morning my friend. Before I respond to your comments, I want to ask you a question. Are you saying that the billions of people that do not speak in tongues are not saved? Peace.

      • JoAnn – I certainly do hope billions of people will be saved and do know that many people have not heard the message in Acts which is why Irvin Baxter has this web site, TV show, and sells his DVDs and books and why I also will continue to get that same message to as many people as I can. In Acts 19:2-6 as I stated – Paul asked the believers on the road if they received the Holy Ghost since they believed and they said that they had not heard of any Holy Ghost. They had not heard about the Holy Ghost because no one had told them – Paul told them, and I also try to tell them at every opportunity I have. 1 Peter 3:15 says ” Be ready to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason for the hope that is in you.” 2 Timothy 4:2-4 says ” Preach the Word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exort, with all long suffering and doctrine.” Romans 10:15 says ” How beautifull are the feet of those that bring good news.” – meaning the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is the Gospel the disciples spoke in the book of Acts – water baptism in Jesus Name and how the Holy Ghost is given and received. Another very relevent scripture is Acts 8:14-17 ” Now when the Apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the Word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John. (15) Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost. (16) For as yet He was fallen on none of them : only they were baptised IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS. (17) Then they laid hands on them and the RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST.” Samaria is approx. 35 miles from Jerusalem, so again the Apostles made MUCH effort to get to those believers, baptise them and lay hands on them that they might receive the Holy Ghost. Like in Acts 19 – that says that believers NEEDED to be baptised in JESUS NAME and BE BAPTISED WITH THE HOLY GHOST. If both of those had not been extremely important – why would they have traveled that far, which was likely by walking – if it had not been NECESSARY ?
        WHY take a chance that baptism in Jesus Name is not necessary and that being baptised with the Holy Ghost is not necesary ???? It is a FREE gift to ALL that ask for it – WHY NOT JUST DO IT ???
        I know all that’s more information than you asked for but I felt compelled to say it.
        Now please answer my question about ” pouring of water”. NO offence, but please give me a scripture that precisely and explicitly states that ” pouring of water” took place at any time
        during baptism in water and not put a spin or twist on some existing scripture, or give reference to what some previous Pope or Catholic Bishop or Priest ever said.

        • daveS: My friend, you are only relying on what the Bible says. “Sola Scriptura” is not Biblical. No where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the “only” way to receive the word of God. The Bible says that it is “profitable” not the “only” way. Again, it is Sacred Traditions that you are dismissing. I am NOT talking about man-made traditions. I’m talking about the Sacred Traditions that Paul said to “hold fast” to. The private talks that Jesus had with His Apostles. Remember, there was no Bible for 4 centuries and John tells us at the end of his Gospel that there were many things Jesus said and did that could no way be recorded in books. The people were taught by word. Sooo, in light of your question, I can ask you the same thing. Where in the Bible does it say that infants can’t be Baptized? Where in the Bible does it say that we “have” to be immersed to be Baptized? Where in the Bible does it say that we “have” to talk in tongues” to be saved? Where in the Bible does it say that we “have” to be Baptized in the name of Jesus, when Jesus Himself says to Baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost? Both ways are valid. That’s why Sacred Traditions are so important. The Apostles handed down the Sacred Tradition of “pouring or sprinkling” also. Not just immersion. They also handed down that Baptizing of infants was okay. Jesus did say, “Let the little children come to me, for the Kingdom of Heaven is in such as these.” He said that because the Apostles were trying to keep the children away. The Bible only teaches some of the Gospel. Sacred Traditions teaches the rest. Most people only know Jesus in their heads and not in their hearts. Without Sacred Traditions, we are only getting part of the picture. It’s like reading a book with some of the pages torn out. Search, my friend. There is so much literature out here. Read about “The Doctors of the Church” and what they taught. Read about the “Early Fathers of the Faith” and what they taught. Read about “The Mass of the Early Christians” and see how it is the same Mass the Catholics celebrate today. Read how they had the celebration (the Mass) on the “Lord’s Day” (Sunday) in the catacombs, hiding from their persecutors. It’s the same Catholic Mass. I could go on and on but it’s like beating a dead horse. I’ve said all of this before, yet you still come back with the same questions, which make me think you aren’t even reading what I have written before. The moderators do not like repetitive comments. I’m surprised that they have let this conversation go on this far. I’m grateful, but surprised. Peace, my friend. Your sister in Christ.

  133. Unam Sanctam 1302 — Papal Bull of Pope Boniface VIII:
    Indeed we declare, say, pronounce, and define that it is altogether necessary
    to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

    Notice: It does not say “subject to the Christ Jesus”.
    This statement in entirety claims Authority over ALL RELIGIONS… Thus “UNIVERSAL”…a.k.a. “CATHOLIC”.

    • The Roman Pontiff is Christ’s representative here on Earth to keep the Gospel free from errors; and there were plenty of errors to fight. Like for instance Arianism that denied the divinity of Christ for one. Jesus said, “Whoever hears you, hears me, and whoever rejects you, rejects me; and whoever rejects me, rejects the Father who sent me.” I think maybe some people should take Jesus’ words more seriously. Peace

      • The Roman Pontif is the PHYSICAL CHRIST ON EARTH… according to Catholic Doctrines.
        The Pope is Also GOD ON EARTH… according to Catholic Doctrines… as well as several Papal Bulls.
        The Catholic Priest Is Jesus Christ During the Transubstantiation of the Elements… and the Elements also become Jesus Christ!!! So How many Jesus Christs are presented throughout the world on any given day??? The Preist becomes Jesus during Reconciliation to absolve sins… because God is clear… ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS… and since Christ is God, the Preist assumes the Responsibilities of Christ (God) by becoming Christ Himself… without having to suffer the penalties Christ suffered for us. The New Testament is clear when it says in Mat 24:24 :
        “For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.”
        The Catholic Church has an enormus collection of Messiahs claiming Authority through the Catholic Church… NOT Through Christ!!! Peters authority came through Christ. Pauls Authority came through Christ. The Apostolic Authority came … Through Christ!!! Thus The Catholic Church sets itself… and everyone in it as “Christs” to usher in IT’s OWN AUTHORITY!!!
        IF the Catholic CHURCH IS the BRIDE OF CHRIST… and the Catholic CHURCH IS CHRIST… does that mean that Jesus is going to marry Himself??? The Summation of Catholic Dogma clearly Leads to this Logical Conclusion!!!

        • JP: Amen! The Apostles authority came through Christ who then “gave” the same authority to the Apostles who then “gave” the same authority, etc. That’s why the Catholic Church is Apostolic. Our popes, bishops, priests, etc are direct successors of Jesus’ authority. No other Church on Earth besides the Orthodox Church can make that claim. Protestant ministers are not successors of the Apostles. Jesus also gave the power to forgive sins to His Apostles who then passed that on. According to Catholic doctrine, the Pope is the successor of Peter who was the first man to be given the authority over Jesus’ Church. The Pope is not Christ on Earth, he is the Vicar of Christ. He is the servant of God and the servant of the servants of God. Get it straight. No wonder you’re not a Catholic anymore, you never knew what the Catholic Faith is all about. When Jesus established His Church on Peter, He promised a “Paraclete” to guide her and that the “gates of Hell would not prevail against her. If that weren’t true, she would have died out long ago. Instead she still stands and for 2000 yrs. I might add. Why don’t you believe Jesus? That means the Catholic Church cannot make any errors regarding “faith and morals.” That means the doctrines are true and until you receive the Holy Spirit, you will never understand the Catholic Faith. You will never know what a “treasure on Earth” that you discarded until judgement day. I’m not saying you will be condemned, I am just saying that you will have that V-8 moment and you will realize that you threw away the most rewarding intimate relationship with Jeus you could ever have. Peace.

          • My V-8 moment came from God through a vision. Sirach 34:6…
            “Unless it be a vision specially sent by the Most High, fix not your heart on it;
            for dreams have led many astray, and those who believed in them
            have perished.”
            God showed me that Catholics are going to hell… (I was Catholic at the time of this vision…and worshiping the Eucharist) Not one Catholic stands on Christ but the Doctrines of the False Apostles. Yes, the Catholic Church has Apostolic Succession of the False Apostles that both Peter and Paul Spoke of.
            Your V-8 moment means selling my soul to the False Christ.The False Christs are of the fallen angels. Every religion has a fallen spirit leading it. That is why CHRIST is THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER!!! The Deception is real and you are living proof that the Deception is “Truth”. NO!!! The Deception APPEARS AS TRUTH!!!

  134. The Bread of Life

    Turn to John’s gospel, Chapter 6, Jesus multiplied the loaves and gave the famous Bread of Life discourse. He multiplied the loaves and spoke of himself as being the Bread of Life.
    What was the season of the year when that occurred? John 6, verse 4, tells us, “It was at the time of the Passover.” What a coincidence, right? Wrong! Jesus knew at that early Passover (he begins to show how his sacrifice will be tied into eating the Passover lamb/Eucharist) what he was to do at a later Passover (when he tied it all together at the Last Supper and on the Cross with the final Passover drink of wine, and then said “it is finished”), so he began to prepare his disciples to understand the full nature and the true meaning of his sacrificial death before it was to occur.

    At the end he announces to the multitudes “This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die”.

    “If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever… and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh. The Jews then disputed among themselves saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’ So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you,’” — did Jesus say what you here try to say today? “Oh, I was only being symbolic, its only bread, you don’t really need to believe or obey this part of my ministry, I’m simply using a metaphor, a figure of speech? — No, Jesus did not say those things, he says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his Blood, you have no life in you.”

    Now If Jesus had meant his words to be taken exclusively in a figurative sense, as a teacher, he would have been morally obligated to clarify that point. And it would have been simple to do. He could have simply said, “Gentlemen, I simply mean receive me in faith, the Eucharist/Bread is only symbolic.”

    But no. In fact what he does is intensifies his remark. He says, “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh,” — and the Greek is very vivid, it’s he who “chews” — “my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him. As the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven. For he who eats this bread will live forever.”

    He doesn’t just say it once, he repeats it four times altogether, he tells the multitudes, “You have to eat my flesh and drink my blood.”

    Our Lord does not compromise the truth for crowds. He says what he means and he means what he says. And he said we must eat his flesh and drink his blood because that’s the gift of himself. I’m not surprised to read then, in verse 66, “After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him.” The real, true, personal presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist, was then, and is now, a mystery of faith. It is an incredible thing for us to believe … that Jesus Christ’s ‘real presence’, is there in the Holy Eucharist. We Catholics don’t take it for granted that we believe. We don’t say to ourselves, “What’s wrong with them, why can’t they see this truth? It’s so plain and obvious?” No, it’s not.

    If you believe that Jesus Christ is truly and really present in the Holy Eucharist, then thank God for that grace. Because you believe something which your eyes have not shown you, what your human reason has not demonstrated. You believe because God has spoken and God has empowered you to believe.

    “He said to the twelve, ‘Do you also wish to go away?’” This is the question Jesus continues to ask to anyone who cannot accept that he is the sacrificed lamb of the new covenant which must be eaten in faith.

    The Church lives by the Eucharist, in the lst and the 2nd and the 3rd Centuries, you cannot find any Church Father denying the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. Instead, that was their central affirmation.

    He isn’t done until he feeds us with his own flesh and blood (exactly like Passover meal in Egypt where they had to eat the Lamb after they applied the blood) because this is where it all comes together. You think about what it would have been like for you back in Egypt. You had to find an unblemished male lamb. You had to slaughter the lamb. You had to sprinkle the blood. Then you had to roast the lamb and eat it for salvation to come to you and your household. Nothing symbolic at all, they did actually eat the sacrificial lamb in order to validate the covenant blessing of the Passover protection from death.

    Jesus Christ takes all of that into himself and fulfills it and he perfects it. The lamb had to die. Its blood had to be sprinkled, but the people also had to eat the lamb. So Christ died and his blood was shed, but we also have to eat the lamb. We all look forward to attending the celebration in heaven at the wedding feast when the bride of Christ is celebrated with a wedding celebration meal. Do you see how the meal is always tied in to everything? The risen Christ is the Lamb of God, and that’s why St. Paul can say in 1st Corinthians 5, “Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed for us. Therefore,” What did he say next? We have nothing left to do but believe? That’s what I used to teach as an anti-Catholic Bible Christian. But that’s not what Paul says, “Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed for us. Therefore, we must keep the feast.” What feast is he talking about? The Holy Eucharist … and this is why Catholics remain in the faith, because they refuse to be distracted, confused, deceived into leaving the faith… no matter what the devil tries to do in order to destroy the reputation of the faith. Jesus was clear on this, there is no compromise on what he meant. We respect all of our brothers and sisters in Christ, but we stand firm in our faith and we will not be deterred from eating the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. It’s a complete act of faith to stay true to Jesus’ instructions regarding this … each and every one of us needs to make a personal decision about whether we will take the words of Jesus literally and receive the Eucharist, or to conclude that Jesus was only talking figuratively and only being symbolic when he told us to do this in memory of him. Catholics do accept that Jesus was speaking literally, and the Mass is centered around this gift of salvation and protection and promise of life everlasting.

    God Bless

    • Jesus says in John 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
      The “Eucharist” teaches that the Flesh is from the Spirit.
      Hebrews 10:12 “But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand.”
      Jesus Provides the ONLY SINGLE SACRIFICE REQUIRED!!! The sacrifice of the “eucharist” diminishes what Jesus REALLY DID!!! If you think that is beautiful…

      • @JP Cory: #1) Jn 3:6 – Amen #2) Heb. 10:12 – Amen – Eucharist means “thanksgiving.” It is not “another” sacrifice. #3) “Once for all” – Amen. Peace!

    • Taskforce4us: Other than the words of Jesus in the Bible, that was the most beautiful explanation of the awesome gift of the Eucharist I have ever heard. Thank you. May God be with you always. Your sister in Christ. Peace.

  135. Merl Meyers – you made some interesting and excellent posts on Oct. 20 at 12:02 pm, 1:18 pm, and 5:08 pm. I, for one, am interested in and looking forward to anything else you have to say. You said you are new and searching – here at End Time, you have come to one of the best web sites that exists and I have been on most all of them. May I suggest Irvin Baxter’s 14 DVD series ” Understanding the Endtimes” and also Irvin’s “Salvation Package”. I’m sure his others are equaly as good but those 2 are the only ones I’ve veiwed so far. On his TV shows – which the times and stations are listed on the Home page here and also on his DVD’s – he most always gives the scripture on the screen when he talks which proves what he is saying is accurate.
    In the 14th and final DVD in the 14 DVD series titled “Kingdom of God- he addresses how important it is – by scripture – to be water baptised in the Name of Jesus Christ and also to receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. The “Kingdom of God DVD” is available seperately. In his Salvation Package he thoroughly addreses the objections made by some that being water baptised in the Name of Jesus Christ and that the Baptism of the Holy Ghost isnt needed – of which both are neccessary.
    Have a good day Merl and I hope God richly blesses you !

  136. @ Meryl Meyers: By the way, welcome to this board. I wish we could all begin to discuss what we all agree on instead of topics that we will never agree on. I think that would be more informative to all of us. We Christians should be sticking together. We all believe the same Gospel, Jesus is our salavation and no other. Your sister in Christ. Peace.

  137. @meryl meyers: As I posted to all Protestants, maybe I wasn’t clear, (sometimes this 70′s yr old lady types faster than my brain.) I said I was going to play the devils advocate. I do with all my heart believe the Bible is inspired. You would have to go back and read all of the posts between JP Cory and myself to get the reason for my challenge. I was being attacked because some Catholic beliefs are inferences in the Bible and not the actual words. I’m sorry if you got the wrong impression. JP seems to like “intense fellowship.” I do not. When debate starts, information to ponder & discuss gets lost. My comments were attacked and I was told my Church teaches false doctrines. That’s when I proposed a challenge. They say I can’t prove what I say so I challenged others to prove the Bible is inspired. Like I said, you would have to read all of the dialogue but I don’t blame you if you don’t. At any rate, thank you for your post. I welcome some of your thoughts too, but please, there is no reason for anyone to get disrespectful. Peace.

  138. Before Paul was Paul, he was Saul, persecuting the new born Catholics. Jesus asked him, “Why do you persecute Me?” Ancient mystery religion, puleese. Peace.

  139. For the Apocryphites: Wisdom 1:3
    I’m sure you all have a copy.
    Were all the Counsels of Nicea, Trent, Chalcedon… etc. Catholic?
    Did these Councels Redefine Christianity into Catholicism?
    There is nothing Catholic about the the Bible. Catholic is pure Romanism… and uses Christ to support “their Authority”. 2 Corinth 11:1-15 clearly warns against the false apostles. 1 Tim 4:1-5 Clearly shows that the Catholic Church promotes the teachings of Deceptive Spirits… Preist and Nuns are forbidden to marry (not the Gospel Message), People are forbidden to meat on Fri… except for Fish… (Fish is not meat by Catholic Tradition). 2 Peter 2:1-3 even condemns Catholic Tradition (indulgences, purgatory… etc).
    1 Peter 3:15 is all about Christ and Christianity… NOT Catholicism and Christ. Catholicism is clearly the first denomination from true Christianity… and abuses Christ for the sake of the Catholic Message and NOT the CHRISTIAN Message. If you love Catholicism… that is your affair, If you Love Christ… That IS GOD’s Affair.
    Jesus clearly taught that you cannot serve two masters. If Christ is complete… there is no room for Catholic Authority. If your Catholic Authority is Complete… there is no room for the True Christ and the True Christian
    Message. The New Testament in no way supports Sacred Tradition, Tradition, False Teaching, Man-Made Teaching, or anything that Departs from What Jesus Christ Taught!!! Christianity Teaches what Christ Taught , HENCE: CHRISTIANITY!!! The Catholic Church perverts the True Gospel which is why it is the “Mystery Babylon”. Do some research into the Assisi World Day of Prayer For Peace, Oct 27 1986, where Pope John Paul reconciles whith the Religions of the World. The Holy Roman Catholic Church will be the instrument to usher in the “One New World Religion”. The Tower of Babel was the One World Order before it’s destruction. Evil D is going for it again… uniting all of “his religions” under his rule. If Catholics cannot see this… they are truely lost.
    ONLY Jesus Christ (Yeshua) can save you!!!

    • @ JP: Sacred Traditions ARE what Jesus taught. So did Paul and the Apostles. Paul says “hold fast to the Traditions whether you heard it from me or by writing. Paul was talking about Sacred Traditions, not man-made traditions. You know, a lot of examples of those man-made traditions are in Leviticus. Like the Pharasies talking about the washing of hands, etc. When you read Scripture, you need to open your mind and heart and start believing what you read and not take them out of context. All Scripture has to be read in light of all Sacred Traditions by bringing them forward from the OT to the NT that Jesus fulfills. Christianity is a philosophy, not a religion. Catholic is a religion that teaches Jesus’ philosophy. Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, etc. are also religions that teach Jesus’ philosophy. Hopefully, the Catholic/Universal Church will be the one world religion because the Catholic/Universal Church is the Church that Jesus established on Peter. Or would you rather have Islam as the world religion? That’s looking like that’s going to happen more and more everyday. There is no doubt in my mind that I am saved. Jesus is my Hero. He always has been and He always will be. “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” Peace.

    • JP Cory: Regarding Wisdom 1:3 – Amen! To the Councils, yes they were all Catholic. So was the Council of Jerusalem. Do the councils redefine Christianity. No. Catholicism was defined in the 1st century. Catholics wrote the NT – it IS Catholic. Priests are forbidden to marry – not true. They do that of free will. There ARE married Catholic priests. Nuns also make the choice “freely.” Meat on Friday. again not true. Catholics abstain from meat on Friday only during Lent to commorate Christ’s prayer and fasting in the desert for 40 days before He started His ministry. Children under 14 and seniors over 59 do not have to comply but we do anyway for Christ. Peter preaches of Christ in the Spirit after His death went to “preach to the souls in prison.” Preaching will not help the souls in Hell and the souls in Heaven do not need any preaching. The Catholic Church is all about Jesus. If you remember the Catholic Mass, you have to admit that. The Mass is our worship service to Jesus. We do not have any other worship services for anyone else. We offer sacrifice to Jesus. We do not offer sacrifice to anyone else. I can go on and on JP. I’m sorry but you are believing and teaching untruths about the Catholic Church and you are not even believing anything that you read in the Bible. You don’t believe Jesus, you don’t believe Paul or any of the other Apostles. Read Is 22:22, then read Mt. 13: 17-19 If people call you “pope,” you sure don’t know much about the Catholic Faith at all or Christianity for that matter. I don’t care whether you were once a Catholic or not. You are truly uninformed and you are leading people away from the very Savior that you claim to worship. I find it very interesting that when Jesus told His disciples that “unless you eat His Flesh and drink His Blood you have no life in you” that when they walked away and would not believe Jesus, that particular teaching is in Jn. 6:66. “From this time on, many of His disciples broke away and would not remain in His company any longer.” Sounds like anti-Christs to me.

  140. Jesus the Messiah celebrated the Seder with His disciples. Join me in a quick tour through a traditional Passover seder and let us highlight the points that are especially meaningful to believers in Jesus.

    The removal of leaven
    Before the beginning of the Passover, all leaven, which is a symbol of sin (1 Cor. 5:6-8), must be removed from the Jewish home. … *Catholics go to Confession

    Washing the hands
    Once the leaven is removed, the family sits around the table and ceremonially washes their hands with a special laver and towel. Jesus also took part in this tradition, but rather than wash his hands, he got up from the table and washed the feet of his disciples, giving us an unparalleled lesson in humility (John 13:2-17). …. *The Catholic Priest washes his hands at the alter prior to handling the Bread and Wine.

    Lighting the candles
    Once the house and the participants are ceremonially clean, the Passover seder can begin. The woman of the house says a blessing and lights the Passover candles. It is appropriate that the woman brings light into the home, because it was through the woman that the light of the world, Messiah Jesus, came into the world (Gen. 3:15) … *aka The Blessed Virgin Mary , the Catholic Mass always has candles lit.

    Haggadah means “the telling” – the telling of the story of Passover. The story is told in response to four questions asked by the children: why is this night different from all other nights? The father proceeds to tell the story of the Exodus from Egypt …. *The Catholic Mass tells us the story from the Bible.

    The first cup of wine
    The seder begins with a blessing recited over the first of four cups of wine: “Blessed art thou, Lord our God, King of the Universe, who hast created the fruit of the vine.” Jesus himself blessed the first cup in Luke 22:17-18.

    The second cup of wine
    The second cup is to remind us of the Ten Plagues and the suffering of the Egyptians when they hardened their heart to the Lord.

    Beitzah – egg
    A roasted egg is on the seder plate to bring to mind the roasted daily temple sacrifice that no longer can be offered because the temple no longer stands. In the very midst of the Passover Seder, the Jewish people are reminded that they have no sacrifice to make them righteous before God.

    Charoset is a sweet mixture of chopped apples, chopped nuts, honey, cinnamon, and a little Manischewitz grape wine (kosher for Passover) just for color! This sweet, pasty, brown mixture is symbolic of the mortar that our ancestors used to build bricks in the land of Egypt. Why do we remember an experience so bitter with something so sweet? The rabbis have a good insight: even the bitterest of labor can be sweet when our redemption draws nigh. This is especially true for believers in the Messiah. We can find sweetness even in the bitterest of experiences because we know our Lord’s coming is near.

    Shankbone of the Lamb
    In every Jewish home, on every seder plate, is a bare shankbone of a lamb. In the book of Exodus, Jewish firstborns were spared from the Angel of Death by applying the blood of a spotless, innocent lamb applied to the doorpost of their homes , and then ate the lamb, as God brought the people from slavery into freedom. Today, we believe Jesus is that perfect Passover Lamb, and when we apply His blood to the doorposts of our heart, and Catholics eat the lamb of God by receiving the Eucharist, we too go from death into life, from the slavery of sin into the freedom of being a redeemed child of God. As John the Baptist said when he saw Jesus coming towards him, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29) …. * The Eucharist = the Lamb of God, which is served at the Catholic Mass

    The Meal
    Next comes the meal… can you smell it? Tender, sweet brisket with cabbage; more motza; home made flanken; stewed chicken, roasted chicken, broiled chicken, boiled chicken, sautéed chicken, baked chicken; more motza; a whole roasted turkey; more motza; fresh-cut green beans with onions; more motza; carrot and prune tzimmes; more motza; sweet potato and raisin tzimmes; more motza; home-made mashed potatoes swimming in butter; more motza… etc …. *The meal = the Eucharist

    Third Cup
    The third cup of wine is taken after the meal. It is the cup of redemption, which reminds us of the shed blood of the innocent Lamb which brought our redemption from Egypt. We see that Jesus took the third cup in Luke 22:20 and 1 Corinthians 11:25, “In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.’” This was not just any cup, it was the cup of redemption from slavery into freedom. This is our communion cup.

    Fourth Cup
    The fourth cup is the Cup of Hallel. Hallel in Hebrew means “praise,” and we see in the beautiful High Priestly Prayer of John 17, that Jesus took time to praise and thank the Lord at the end of the Passover Seder, his last supper. The spotless Passover Lamb had praise on his lips as he went to his death.

    Those of us who believe in Yeshua know that He is the Lamb of God. He is the spotless, unblemished Passover Lamb, whose body was broken for us, whose blood was shed, and who now lives to distribute His life to all of us who apply His blood to the doorpost of our hearts and eat the lamb by receiving the holy Eucharist at Catholic Mass, celebrating that we have passed from death into His eternal life.

  141. Official Catholicism is a derivate of ancient mystery religions in the ancient world. man made for himself every conceivable god and goddess for his own personal pleasure. a simple and thorough trip through history will show all the leavings of ancient religions incorporated into catholic ritual! Every artifact and symbol used by rome is pagan and not Christian! I personally find it inconceivable that man in general believes this stuff the catholic church preaches! Mary a co redemtrix? Queen of heaven? Immaculately conceived? assumed bodily into heaven? Sinless and intercessor? All a very bad joke! I used to get upset about all this but now I just laugh at the catholic church because they are blind men leading blind people over the cliff of eternal damnation! God has given them over to a reprobate mind and that is sad but just as God laughs at the foolishness they practice I laugh too because I am all out of tears to cry for them! They refuse to listen!

    • Do you have an official Catholic site or link that supports your statement regarding Official Catholicism being derived from ancient mystery religions?

    • Ray – I agree that most wont listen but a seed was planted, if it was by scripture, that they later might listen and pay attention to what you said. 2 Cor. 4:3-4 says “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost, (4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” Many of the people that saw Jesus and his disciples do MANY miracles didnt listen either – not only did they not listen, they tried to kill them and eventualy did. 1 Peter 3:15 says ” But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.” Romans 10: 14-15 ” How then shall they call on Him whom they have not believed, and how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard, and how shall they hear without a preacher ? (15) And how shall they preach except they be sent, as it is written – How beautifull are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace and bring good tidings of good things ?” Good tidings of good things is the gospel of Jesus Christ. You likely know all that but I thought I would mention it here.

      • dave: Operative word here, Dave, is “preach.” There was no Bible for 4 centuries. Protestants are just reading. They are not listening also. They are missing a lot of the Gospel. Read books that Martin Luther wrote about Mary. Pull up his sermons. He was very devoted to Mary. He prayed the Rosary constantly. He believed in her Immaculate Conception, and her Assumption. He also believed in her perpetual virginity. She had no other children. The Protestant faith has come far away from Luther’s teaching. You don’t have to take my word for it. Look up Luther. Sometimes I think Protestants just think Mary was a surrogate for God and they fail to realize that Mary was our Blessed Savior’s mother. She carried Him for 9 months. She nursed Him, she bathed Him, she kissed His cheek and cuddled Him, she changed his dirty diaper (whatever they used for diapers back then) She did everything a mother does and more. She stood at His cross. She always pointed people to Him. Do you think she only gave birth to Him and then separated herself from Him. She was a true mother in what all that that implies. God took Enoch to Heaven, He took Elijah to heaven. Why is it so hard to believe that Jesus would “assume” His own mother into heaven? Peace.

        • johntheB – Personaly, from what I’ve studied from what is stated on Catholic websites, I have not seen anything that indicates that Catholism is based on ancient religions, but Ray may be more informed about that than I am. I was agreeing with what the rest of what Ray said. What I’m sure of is that the book of Acts explains the formula for salvation which is repenting and getting baptised in the name of Jesus Christ – Acts 2: 38, Acts 2:41, Acts 8:16, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:47-48, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, Acts 22:16 and being baptised with the Holy Ghost. Irvin Baxter explains that very well and better than I could in ” Tongues – Devilish or Divine ” and ” How do we become a Christian” on this websit