The Rapture


The Rapture

By Irvin Baxter

When Will The Rapture Happen?

The Most Important Day

The most important day of your life and mine is the day of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ to this earth. The Bible also refers to this as the “catching away.” The English word “rapture” is not in the King James Version Bible. However, the word is biblically accurate because “rapture” originated from the Greek word “harpazo” which is derived from the Greek New Testament manuscripts of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and is translated “caught up,” which holds the same definition. This verse tells us that living saints will be caught up (raptured) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


If We Are Born Again

The Bible teaches that a time is coming when Jesus Christ will return to the earth. We will be caught away if we are born again. If we are living for Jesus Christ at His coming, we will be caught up in the air to meet Him there, and we will be with Him forever. We will go with Him to the Battle of Armageddon. He will put down the thrones of human government. We will crown Him King of kings and Lord of lords. He will then rule the world for one thousand years, and we will rule and reign with Him as kings and priests.


False Christs

Jesus warned His disciples that false Christs would arise in the last days and deceive many. Jesus admonished His disciples to not respond if they heard rumors that Messiah was in the desert or that He was in the secret chambers. Jesus said don’t believe it and don’t even go to investigate. He went on to explain why they should pay no attention to these false reports. He said, “For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be,” (Matthew 24:27). Jesus was simply saying that He would not show up secretly on earth at His Second Coming, but that He was coming like lightning in the clouds of heaven.


A Body Like His

When Jesus comes, if our bodies are changed supernaturally from mortal to immortal, the Bible tells us that we will have a body like Jesus had after His resurrection. He could walk through walls. He was not bound by the laws of space and time as we are now. Then the Bible tells us that we will be caught up to meet Jesus Christ in the air. That means we will have passed into eternal life. The reason it will be the most important day in your life and mine is because when that event occurs, if your feet leave the ground, if you rise to meet Jesus Christ in the air, then no matter whether you have a penny in the bank, whether anybody knows your name, whether you are world famous or relatively unknown, if you are prepared for that pivotal moment that will determine your eternal destiny, your life will be a smashing success!


Immediately After the Tribulation

Mathew 24:29-31 describes what happens after the Great Tribulation: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”


You cannot read Matthew chapter 24 without concluding that Jesus Christ placed the rapture immediately after the tribulation of those days. For those who believe in a rapture that comes before the tribulation, we should look at scriptures that contain the word “tribulation.” The New Testament uses the term “tribulation” 22 times. If the rapture happens before the tribulation, shouldn’t one of those 22 passages teach us something about the rapture happening before the tribulation? The answer is, out of all 22 instances, there is no clear verse which says that the rapture happens before the tribulation. There is, however, a very clear verse which says that it happens after the tribulation. Matthew 24: 29 says, “Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days…”


The Great Tribulation

Some would argue that although all Christians go through some tribulation, there is yet a “great tribulation” ahead which true believers will not have to endure. The phrase “great tribulation” appears first in Matthew 24:21, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” Here the verse seems to be talking about what will happen to not only those who live in Judea, but also to the world at large, because “…except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved” Whatever the case, this “great tribulation” is also prior to the return of Christ and the rapture, because Matthew 24: 29-31 goes on to describe the immediate gathering of the elect.

The other appearance of the phrase “great tribulation” occurs in the seventh chapter of Revelation. John sees a great multitude of white-robed people praising God around the throne and is told, “These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” (Revelation 7:14) They are not removed from tribulation. Rather, these believers have been protected. They have endured “the great tribulation” and have now come out of it rejoicing. Moreover, it is apparent that all of this happens prior to the return of Christ, which is not actually depicted until Revelation chapter 19.


The First Resurrection

The term “first resurrection” is found in only one passage in the New Testament, Revelation 20:4-6: “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

Though not explicitly called “the first resurrection” in these passages, here are two other passages that speak of the event we refer to as the rapture:


Caught Up Together

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words. (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18)


In the Twinkling of an Eye

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1 Corinthians 15:51-54)


The Timing

Regarding the timing of these events, 1 Thessalonians 4 says that the rapture will happen at “the coming of the Lord.”

1 Corinthians 15:52 says that this will happen at “the last trump.”

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 teaches that Christ is the first fruits of the resurrection…then afterward they that are His at His coming. The scriptures do not teach two comings. There will be one changing from mortal to immortal. It happens at the first resurrection as described in Revelation 20:4-6.

By reading Matthew 24:22-31 we know that the elect will be present until the time that Jesus sends his angels to gather them together unto Him (the rapture). The terms “elect” and “election” are used numerous times in the New Testament in reference to the Church. According to 1 Peter 1:2, the elect have the operation of the Holy Spirit in their lives. Furthermore, Jesus promised in John 14:16 that the Comforter (the Holy Ghost) would abide in believers forever. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 speaks of an entity that holds back the revealing of the Antichrist. Some people teach that the thing that “now letteth (restraineth)” is the presence of the Holy Spirit in the world. There is nothing in this passage that supports such an interpretation. The clue to the correct identity of this entity appears to be found in verse 6, “that he might be revealed in his time.” The thing that restrains the revealing of the Antichrist is God’s very own timeline. Just as Jesus, the true Christ, was not revealed until “the fullness of time was come” (Galatians 4:4), the false Christ, the man of sin, will not be revealed until God’s timeline dictates it.


Success or Failure

Now even if you are the wealthiest person on earth, and perhaps everyone in the world knows your name, if you are not prepared, and your feet don’t leave the ground at the rapture, then you were an abysmal failure. You failed the one thing that is absolutely critical and mandatory in our lives. It is the most important day, because on that day, either we enter into eternal life or we don’t.


At Any Time

Even before the rapture, God can come for any one of us at any time: “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come…Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.” (Matthew 24:42, 44)



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  1. ii really like this page.this is because it gives the adequate secret and the revelation.thank you for this and may God bless you for your great work.

  2. I have prayed about the end time events. Whatever happens, no matter how bad it may seem you need to hold on to your faith and not be ashamed of the gospel of Christ. God will provide a way for his elect. Im aware there will be a great effort by the evil one to disguise and lead weak believers away. God already tells you that every eye will be on him. There will be no mistaken the invitation by God. When the bible mentions two will be in the field, one will be taken and one wont. Ibelieve the one not taken will refuse to be fooled by the Anti Chirst and his co horts. Others who accept his invitation will be led astray. The word of God stands on its own. Dont accept the common misconception that the church will no longer exist,,,,God takes it out of the world….ridiculous……the whole point of Jesus coming back is to lead his kingdom/church on earth. God can transform you at any moment at his pleasure and purpose. I can understand how many will fear because they do not understand nor trust Jesus and will opt out for the false security of the Anti Christ. To stand up for Gods word is the most powerful action acceptable by the Father. God knows…..he is the great Iam.

  3. Irvin Baxter makes a good case for post tribulation. Believe me, I want to believe pretrib is correct, but I want the truth. I believe we will be either midtrib or posttrib. We might have to go through the first 3.5 years, but it will be mild compared to the last 3.5 years. Whatever it is, God will take care of us. God didn’t take Noah out of the flood, but took him through it safely. I pray that God gives us strength to endure whatever or whenever it is.

    • No but Noah Israel being protected in tribulation. Elijah,Enoch,and Daniel are the rapture. The rapture will happen first. Those who called on The Son of God will go before anti christ comes on the seen

  4. What about the verse that says, Two shall be working in the field and one is taken and the other left.

    • This is from an excellent handout produced by the International House of Prayer in Kansas City (they teach historic premillennialism with a victorious church).

      Question: “Who are the ones taken from the field, and who are those left behind in Matthew 24:38-42?”

      Answer: “The context of this passage describes those taken in judgment in a sudden and unexpected manner. These will be “swept away” in death by God’s judgment coming on the earth. Many people in Noah’s day were surprised by the flood of judgment that killed them. In the same manner, many will ignore the signs that Jesus described in Matthew 24:3-35. Jesus told them clearly that those taken were taken by death to the place the eagle or vultures will eat them.

      34 “I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.” 37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body [dead carcass] is, there the eagles [vultures] will be gathered together.” (Lk. 17:34-37)

  5. One more point. Why is any teacher/preacher unusually persecuted when they teach a post tribe position?
    As Warren Wiersbe says in non-essentials liberty, in essentials unity and in all things charity. But if you dare
    to believe in post tribe, you are tarred and feathered by fellow believers. I was very concerned about this
    and prayed earnestly. God didn’t speak to me but did impress upon me to read the new testament with that
    question in mind. The main scriptures He led me to were found in the 13th chapter of Matt. In that chapter it
    states one particulate point three times. We all know how important something is when stated three times in
    the bible. That point removed all doubt for me. We have to go through the tribulation. When things get really bad, remember it will only last seven years. In the mean time have a plan for food storage. Things could be
    about to get really bad living in America. God bless…

  6. Question: Would you like to believe we didn’t have to go through the tribulation and be wrong or would you like to believe we did have to go through the tribulation and be wrong? The ones who don’t believe we will have to go through it will probably not be prepared for the severe food shortage that will occur.

  7. Thank God for people like you who teach we go through the tribulation. 98% teach we won’t and I think that is the devil’s final tool to get a large number to turn away from the church and God when they find themselves actually going through something they were taught they wouldn’t. Thanks. Ken

    • To Ken – both your posts are accurate and very well said. I hope you will make more posts in the future.

  8. 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-4 is quite clear. TWO things must occur before Jesus returns; (1) a great falling away; and (2) the abomination of desolation.

  9. I disagree with your post tribulation position for this reason… during the tribulation there will be a pouring out of the wrath of Satan on the people on the earth and a pouring out of the wrath of God on unbelievers left on the earth. Satan has persecuted believers through the ages nothing new there; but I do not see God pouring out his Wrath or Judgments (seven seals, bowls, trumpets) on his church, those who have placed their faith, hope and trust in Christ to not have to go through such a judgment. There will be people come to Christ during the Tribulation and they will have to go through the Tribulation, but the Church alive on the earth at the beginning of the tribulation will not.

  10. just a short word to say that at the present day no one person who is a true godly christian is ready for the rapture as we must be sinless perfect and have our bodies full enough with the manafest glory of God to be caught up when the Lord will come to call aside in an afectionate manner the elect of God 40 days and nights after the last day of the feast of trumpets in the year of AD 2066 AS THE Lord told me in person back in the fall of 1977 pray and ask the Lord if what i say was told to me by the Lord and read all of the bible, God bless you all.

    • Well then you will also be not ready because no one can be perfect without sin, as you say. Full enough, ??? Get of your chair.
      God’s grace makes it possible for us, by “us” i mean only people that have repented and are filled with His Holy Spirit, to go to heaven.
      And what lord did tell you this? Because Jesus Christ said that only the Father knows that time and date.

  11. I do not go along with your theory of the saints going through the tribulation WE WILL be raptured out before the tribulation

  12. Premillennialism is a fraud. Deleting peoples comments that can prove that you are wrong is simply a display of your evil nature. So I will repost my comments that were for an honest person seeking the truth. Here they are : YOU are reigning with Jesus right now!!!! Stop swallowing all the nonsense that these Premillennialists are shoving down your throat. The 1000 years was used in the literal sense for the binding of Satan at resurrection until around 1000 A.D. and figurative for the CURRENT reign of our Lord and GOD Jesus Christ. I Chron 16:15-17 is a fine example of “1000″ being used figuratively. Revelation is not as simple as some preachers would have you believe. Here are some verses that prove the reign of Christ is NOW and has been since His resurrection (sorry they are not in order): Rev 12:10, 17:14, 5:10, Col 1:12-13, 2:15, 3:1, Mat 16:28, 12:28, 28:18, 4:17, Luk 17:20-21, 23:42-43, ICor 15:22-25, John 18:36 (Correlate this verse with Lu 17:21 and you can see that the resurrection is the arrival point. The root of the word “within” can mean: “among,” “almost,” “shortly”) Stop giving yourself to preachers that preach amiss. Follow Jesus. STUDY the Bible, don’t just read the words and think that you can understand all of it. Thank You.

  13. I always thought that the rapture was before the 7 year period. But I pray that God will be with us during that different times and we will endure till the end

    • It is. When the rapture happens the People who had enough sense to ask Christ Jesus to be their Savior and Lord will be Heaven getting their rewards. Then we will come back to earth in the Second Coming. Jesus will set up His rule for 1000 yrs.

  14. Acts 2 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
    You can not enter heaven unless you have done this. If you need a true church of god follow this link those who don’t live close should contact the church pastor so he may find a true church near you. Amen and god bless.

  15. Their are pre tribulation and mid tribulation Christians but I would rather be a ready tribulation Christian. Follow acts 2:38 and you can’t lose. Gambling you life would be the biggest mistake of your life.

    • If you are here for any part of the tribulation? You aren’t a child of God. Only those who are His. Those who are His will be saved and go in the pretrib rapture.

  16. I can’t agree that Jesus will wait until after the tribulation to take us to heaven. I can’t believe that we as Christians will have to make a decision regarding the mark of the beast. however, WE will return with Jesus after the tribulation to reign with him for a thousand years. THEN satan will be loosed for a season to try those who survived the tribulation.

    • YOU are reigning with Jesus right now!!!! Stop swallowing all the nonsense that these Premillennialists are shoving down your throat. The 1000 years was used in the literal sense for the binding of Satan at resurrection until around 1000 A.D. and figurative for the CURRENT reign of our Lord and GOD Jesus Christ. I Chron 16:15-17 is a fine example of “1000″ being used figuratively. Revelation is not as simple as some preachers would have you believe. Here are some verses that prove the reign of Christ is NOW and has been since His resurrection (sorry they are not in order): Rev 12:10, 17:14, 5:10, Col 1:12-13, 2:15, 3:1, Mat 16:28, 12:28, 28:18, 4:17, Luk 17:20-21, 23:42-43, ICor 15:22-25, John 18:36 (Correlate this verse with Lu 17:21 and you can see that the resurrection is the arrival point. The root of the word “within” can mean: “among,” “almost,” “shortly”) Stop giving yourself to preachers that preach amiss. Follow Jesus. STUDY the Bible, don’t just read the words and think that you can understand all of it. Thank You.

  17. Woohoo! I’m so glad that the manager of End Time ministries is a One God, apostolic, tounge-talkin’, holy rollin’, born-again, heaven bound, believer, in deliberating power of Jesus’ name!

    I’m glad God gave you the spirit of wisdom to open every individuals’ eyes to those who accept the Word God has given us. Oh I can’t wait for that day! In Jesus’ name I loose any spirit that is not of you God and in Jesus’ name send a bug tsunami wave of revival to sweep throughout all countries! Loose a fire in this untorward generation!

    Again, thank you bro. Irvin Baxter. I pray that we all come to our knees and choose to either be of the world/to live a double-minded life, or to choose, not only to be a 99.9%, but a 100% in choosing God as our saviour. We live in perilous times. We mustn’t slack pff people. Let us fight off demonic forces and put away idolatory hobbies/things away from us.

    My mom had this dream that my family and I were digging a pit. And a small, thin snake come out. My dad said it was harmless but that’s exactly what the devil wants you to think. Whenever you read a book or movie, be careful. The Devil is the greatest deceiver you’ll ever meet. The smartest human being would not be able to beat him. Being spiritually strong and having a sensitive heart to Jesus Christ will give you access to the weapons of God to fight off the forces of evil. As scripture says, we do not fight with men, but with the spiritual forces of darkness.

    Do not be deceived. The devil will get you thinking: oh a bit of pornography wont hurt or a bit of smoke or wine wont but it will. God knows your deepest desires and thoughts. Only by reading his Word and by asking daily repentace will save you.

    And lastly, it’s not over once you’re baptized, have repented, or are filled with the Holy Ghost. You need to keep that spirit strong everyday. Speak in tongues daily, for if the spirit gives you the utterance. Living a holy life and living by his word will keep you straight with God. Attend church daily. Because “if two or more are gathered in my NAME (Jesus), there am I in the midst of them”. If you don’t get enough of God everyday, look at your spiritual self. Thin, hungry, weak. Not only that—-your spiritual armor too! So be strong and eat his bread daily. Don’t pray just because you need to. Pray until you’re filled with the Holy Ghost! Because God loves that. He savours on it. And get to know God spiritually. Have a strong, spiritual prayer life.

    I want to say more but I can’t, sadly.

    I’m only 13 years old but I really feel like I could really preach! :D

    God bless. May God be with you these last, but wonderful days.
    May God revive you with his Holy Spirit before you face him :) And be sure that you expect a “Good job, they good and faithful servant,” from God. ;)

    • I would like to share some wise words with you from one of the elders of my church when I was first saved. He was Pastor Simison. She said sister, ‘I have not seen someone with so much zeal for the Lord in years. Don’t ever let anyone take that from you. Keep it and maintain it to the best of your ability.” What is my secret? “Praise.” No matter what happens in your lifetime, praise. If you get sick, praise, if someone passes away that you loved, praise. “In all things give thanks unto the Lord.”
      1 Thessalonians 5:18 KJV King James Version
      In every thing give thanks : for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you
      He also said, There are a lot of people who think they are called to preach because they see this big “P’ in the sky. They believe it means to preach but what it really means it: go Pray.”
      You may be called to minister one day. The lord will reveal it you. I enjoyed your sermon. Awesome witness.

    • For 13 you are very wise and I do very much believe we will be taken out before the tribulation keep the faith in Christ I love you my much younger brother oh don’t let youth keep you from being a preacher remember Jesus started at twelve which was the age that boys were considered adults in that time

    • Amen brother!!! The apostolic pentacostal Christians are the true church of god. I look forward to meeting you in heaven.

      • If you think your denomination is what is going to get you a ticket to heaven then you really need to reevaluate yourself

        • Beware of people who believe their denomination is the only one going to Heaven. An alarm should go off when you hear or read that.

        • To Freshour – I know the doctrine of the Apostolic Pentecostal Christians and also that of the United Pentecostal Church and have since 1974 – 40 years. Of which Irvin Baxter is, as is his Staff and Moderators, and of which you have the privelage of participating here on his web site – Lance knows exactly what he is talking about. He has been Baptised in water by IMMERSION in JESUS NAME, which is without exception how water Baptism was done in every recorded instance in the Book of Acts, which is the most important book in the New Testament because it describes exactly what was said when the Gospel was FIRST preached by His desciples and the Apostal Paul after Jesus ascended into Heaven. Consider the following :
          Acts 2:38 – as Lance stated – which is the INITIAL remitance of sins, of which Peter is responding to the peoples question in Acts 2:37 which was ” Men and brethren what shall we do ?” – meaning what should they do to be saved. Then Peter answered in Acts 2:38. Then consider Acts 2:41, Acts 8:14-18, Acts 9: 18, Acts 10:47-48, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, Acts 22:16. Please check each one of those scriptures to verify that they apply to this topic, and also what Irvin Baxter says in “Tongues – Devilish or Divine” on this website, or by the pamphlet by the same name for 25 cents each, or his DVDs “Born Again – 3 Steps”, “True Christianity vs False Christianity”, “Receiving the Holy Ghost”, which all three are available in his “Salvation Package ” which is 4 hours of instruction, and is ONLY by Scripture, which he displays on the screen as he speaks so that the veiwer can document what he is saying to verify that what he is saying is accurate, or are individualy available as a download for $14.99 each, which can be veiwed within a few minutes of ordering them online.
          NO OFFENCE Freshour, could it be that you need to re-evaluate yourself from the Scriptures stated above ? Lance has already been obedient to the Scriptures stated above and likely does not to do any further re-evaluation.
          I am looking forward to your responce so we can debate this topic further.
          Thank you for your post !

      • Denominations have no sway in Gods eyes he is no respecter if race creed male female nor denominations the true church is made up of all walks of life not that I’m holier than you but I think you should seek Gods face concerning your comment it’s just not biblical

        • To Fleshhour – How exactly, BY SCRIPTURE, is Lance’s statements not Biblical ?
          Lance gave Scripture to support what he said, you have not. Scripture is the Inspired Word of God and therefore it is fact, without giving the chapter and verse in Scripture to document and verify what you are saying – it is only here-say, therefore is speculation and lacks credibility.
          Thank you for your post !

  18. How about our Pastor in our church who doesn’t believe in rapture, do you consider him and his followers as falling away from the faith? Do I need to follow his preaching if he said to us that rapture was started by Catholic?

    • Aron Brown: Just for clarification, the Catholic Church does not nor has She ever taught about a “rapture.” She has always taught only of the “Second Coming” as an event that is associated with the “end of the world and the Last Judgment.” Peace.

  19. Finally, someone who thinks like I do! I couldn’t of said it better, I have had this view about the rapture on my own for years and haven’t found anyone that would say the same thing, and put it so simply!

  20. I it sad when I say to my family and friends that I wish Christ would return now and take me and my love ones home, they look at me as if I’m depressed and want to just die! I am trying my hardest to witness to them but their look on their faces show differently. :-(

    • I said it to my brother today and he thinks I have a death wish. Hes a christian too, but I’m ready to go too and some Christians act like their gonna leave something behind or don’t want Jesus to come yet! I want to go home!

      • I find no one likes to talk about the end times. they look at us like where crazy, I tell my mom if people don’t want to hear about the lord there not good company

    • This is in response to the email by Mary I just read. I get it…. what you are saying about wanting Jesus to come and take you and your family home and out of here with Him.I think deep down we all do.I know I do. I’ve had enough! But then I think no, I have too many people I want to share the gospel with. No I am not ready to go. Not yet. However, if they are not saved and do not understand scripture…. from their viewpoint it does kind of sound depressing. Another way you could try is this: because you are filled with the Holy Spirit, then it is the Joy of the Lord that gives you strength. When they see your face of joy- when life is not joyful or circumstances prove contrary to anything of joy and you are …..joyful….that will win them over. They will WONDER how you did it. What makes you tick. Anyone else would be devastated, but not you. They will ask and at that point you can share with them Jesus and all He is to you! How he supernaturally gives you Joy contrary to what may be happening in your life. He is absolutely AMAZING AND AWESOME! And HE IS!! I wish I could wrap up and bottle HIS JOY at times and what He gives to me and give it to others because HIS PEACE -there is nothing in this world like it. Truly…it is not of this world. Time after time when I have been in some really awful life happenings, he just comes in and my gosh you’d think I won the lottery! I did ….sort of….Only He and He alone can give that kind of Joy. That kind of Strength when you totally hit the dirt. There is no other way to get it. Jesus and Jesus alone. Share that with them and that would win anybody. Well, some people still don’t believe and have to chew on it a while before they accept it, but it’s a start! You are planting yours seeds!

  21. A lot of people have different kind of interpretation about the coming of the rapture whether it is pre-tribulation or post-tribulation. We don’t know who is right or wrong and only god knows the time of his coming, I think it doesn’t matter whether his coming is before or after the tribulation and all we need is to be ready and prepared anytime and be faithful with GOD for he is in control, He just gave us signs of his coming so we must be aware of those signs and if we see it, which is happening now, we must be ready for he is at the door. We must also watch what is going on now with Israel, the predictor of what will happen to the world, and we must love and defend the Jews for they are Gods chosen people. God said ,I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.

  22. Irvin, It’s encouraging to read teachings from someone who believes that the “rapture” happens at the end of the tribulation. I believe that is biblically accurate. I don’t see any reason why there should be 2 phases to the return of Christ and am doing a thorough study of it now after having gathered scripture references together from reading page by page in the Bible.

  23. I long for that day when iam finally with Jesus my father in heaven iam ready to go to war with him and his angels to defeat evil and satan.

  24. I want to thank the originator of this rapture message. It has taught me so much and I now believe that what ever I read from the word of God is true and will come to pass. Am a born again Christian and am praying hard to God to help me to remain alert so that by the time of Rapture or the time when God will come for me since I don’t know the hour, He should find me ready to go with him because I cant afford going to hell. Be blessed.

  25. I am fascinated by this book in the bible, but also scared. I’m a born again christian woman and want to believe in pretribulation not post-tribulation. I was diagnosed with M.S. in 2009 so if I have to go through tribulation I will want to be one of the first to tell the Antichrist I will not bow down or take mark and have my head chopped off cause I’m sure I won’t be able to get my injection of Copaxone that I take everyday. And without it I’ll suffer more everyday I go without it. I am married and my husband had brain surgery and takes a lot of medication, he is also a born again christian.

  26. I never was the person to understand the word of Rapture now I have read the passage about it I believe that I can do what I need to do to be able to be caught up in rapture

  27. I believe that I have been born again after I was baptist in the of Jesus name. Afterwards I been feeling unworthy because of my past but now I believe and know that it the Devil that is trying to keep me from believing in my Father in what He have for me

    • If the Son (Jesus Christ) shall set you free you shall be free indeed! (John 8:36)
      Think of this anytime Satan tries to sow seeds of doubt and guilt in your mind! Remember you are more than a conqueror in Jesus Christ (Romans 8:37) !!!

  28. In REV.3:7-11 to the church of Philadelphia Jesus is speaking saying he knows we have little strength and have kept his words and have not denied his name… fwd to 10 since you have kept my commands to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. Pre Rapture for sure! Be a saint, be a christian, rely on him only! The question should be is he in you?

  29. Stephanie, you seem to have a lot of questions, I think you should read more or talk to a pastor to help you understand better. That’s what I do when things don’t make sense to me. Most people teach that the rapture will happen before the tribulation; only from my reading and understanding I think that the first part of the tribulation is Satan’s tribulation. Therefore, Christians will be on earth and will be tested. Will you get the mark of the beast or will you rely on God for your needs? Remember, it says that God is waiting for the rest of his people the ones that will be killed in his name.
    Now you ask about the repopulation of people on earth for those 1000 years, well think about what the bible says in Chapter 20 of revelations. God will bring to life those people who did not get the mark of the beast or worship the beast. Therefore this is the first resurrection, they are not angels they are humans, so they can repopulate the earth.
    Also, you ask about the Holy Spirit being taken away from earth. Well think about it when everyone of God’s people are raptured who is left on the earth except non-believers. Therefore, if they don’t believe in Jesus then they don’t deserve his Spirit. So the LORD did not forsake anyone because his Church is gone he took his people home.
    You talk about the Jewish customs; well in Revelations 19 6-10 explains and if you got yourself a study bible it would help you understand more, this is how my study bible explains the meaning of chapter 19. The marriage supper of the Lamb represents the millennial kingdom of Christ which will take place on earth following the return of Christ. Figuratively, with the reference to the church, (1) the betrothal takes place on earth during the church age (2) the presentation will take place in heaven following the Rapture and (3) the marriage feast will take place on earth following Christ’s return with the church. Those who are invited to the marriage supper are Israel, who will turn to Christ in faith during the tribulation. When you meet the Lord in the air you will not be human anymore you will be changed, in revelation 20 5 it explains some will rest (dead or sleep) until the 1000 years are finish and this is called the first resurrection. This is what Luke 12:36 is talking about the wedding feast that will happen on Christ return.
    Mark 13:27 In order for you to understand you have to go back to Matthew 24 32-35 and to Matthew 13-37-39 it explains the parables. There is no secret rapture, Jesus is coming back from heaven his people will be raptured and the rest of the people on earth will have a chance to bow down and worship Jesus and still be saved. Now it doesn’t matter pre – trib or when he returns to be raptured as long as you don’t get the mark of the beast and worship Satan you will be saved. Satan will be toss from heaven down to earth because right now he can still talk to the Lord only there will come a time when he is banish from heaven and has to stay on earth that is when his tribulation will start and the one world government, false miracles, false religion etc…
    My personal believe is we will be on earth for the devils raft and we will be tested, and probably be killed they are killing God’s people in the Middle East now. I believe when the devil does his miracles people will believe and if the pope is the false religion figure it will be hard for so people not to if they don’t read God’s word.

    • I am unsure of when the rapture will happen (pretrib or mid) so I remain a ready trib Christian that way I can’t lose… Gambling your life would be a foolish mistake.

      • I agree with you. The most important thing is to be ready( So we have to study what is the will of the Father and follow – as much as we can as unperfect beiings – in the footstamps of His Son. Luckely we have the randsome. Personaly I believe in atleast the midtrib. One of the reasons I believe this, is rev 7:13-15. You can’t come out of something if you didn’t first entered it. Second Jesus told the warnings in Mar13:14-24 to and about Christians. But He also promised that the days will be shortened to save the elect. But if we are ready (and this is by doing the will of God) it doesn’t matter when. Because God promised to save us – if necessairy with a resurection, IF we call His name and stay faithfull to the end.

  30. The second judgement does not happen until the thousand years have expired than Jesus will judge those who were not raptured the first time.

  31. satan can’t make war with the Saints if we’re raptured before the tribulation, therefore common sense tells us that the rapture will be after the tribulation and not before.

    • The saints will come down from heaven with Jesus we will have spiritual body’s that’s why it says we cannot be killed

    • We must understand that the church rapture will leave a remnant that will rise as the church of the tribulation. For the pre tribulation Church is the Bride of Christ and will be at the Marriage Supper during the tribulation. Look around we are facing tribulations now and so much temptation. Do your homework. Stand for Christ and he’ll keep us from torment on earth.

      • That is not Biblical. There will be no pre-tribulation rapture. The Bible tells of a time of trouble unlike any in Matthew 24. Jesus would not warn the disciples of this if Christians were not expected to endure it. There are Christians all over the world that are enduring persecution and times of trouble. Why do we in the western world think that God makes us exempt from this? Matthew 24:13 says that “he who endures to the end will be saved.” Many people who believe this faulty theology wll be lost when things do not go the way they think they should. The rapture theology was invented by John Darby in 1830. Go do some research and read your Bible.

        • Remain watchful and I stand by Jesus saying to the apostle John in REV. 3:10 that we who are faithful will escape the trials that will come upon the whole Earth. I guess you”ll rebuke testimony from John, like Joel Olsteen. Look Rapture theology goes back to beginning of the Church and the Catholics have writing in the Caticism.

          • In the first place we are the church of Laodicea not Philadelphia. In the second place you seem to really like John’s teaching in Revelation,so why haven’t you read chapter twenty? When you read Thessalonians, you see that the dead in Christ shall rise first. In Revelation 20 you see that the first resurrection is after the tribulation. Daniel said that those who know their God will be strong and do exploits, which is interesting because the Jews will not know their God until after the Second Coming. Please don’t tell anyone to do their homework when you don’t understand the purpose of the seven church letters. Don’t mean to be rude, honestly love you in Christ, but you need to study before you teach. Look at Moses and the Hebrews in Egypt. The Jews were exemp from most plagues. Same with the end time

  32. If the rapture is supposed to happen at the end of the tribulation, and we are “all to be changed in a twinkling of an eye” at the end of the tribulation, and then Jesus throws all the non believers in hell….. who is going to repopulate the earth with human babies during the 1000 year reign? If we have all been raptured and changed and nobody is technically human anymore because we have all been changed, then how can there be people that are born after the tribulation that will eventually turn against Jesus anyways and have to be defeated along with Satan and thrown into hell for “eternity” to then start??? Matthew 22:30 says that after the resurection, we will be like angels, right? Angels cant have babies! Humans can, tho….. but if we’re all already like angels, how can we have babies to repopulate the earth???

    Also, the Holy Spirit will be taken off the earth when the tribulation starts, right? But I thought Jesus said that He will never leave us nor forsake us! How can Jesus take his Holy Spirit from the earth, and out of so many true Christians? He cant take His Holy Spirit from us!! So wouldnt that logically mean that we would have to be where His Holy Spirit is???

    In Jewish customs, when a woman was about to be married, the groom would come unexpectedly and get his bride and take her to his father’s house where they would eat, right??? Since Jesus was born from Jewish heritage, wouldnt it be logical to believe that He would stick to His customs? Wouldnt Jesus do the same? Wouldnt He come unexpectedly for his “bride” (the church) and take us away to His Father’s House (Heaven)? And then we would eat (Marriage Supper of the Lamb)?

    If the rapture and the second coming are the same, and it happens at the end of the tribulation, when is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb??? Are we supposed to run up to heaven, eat real quick, and then run back down here to earth to help Jesus fight? Because it sounds kinda weird to me that we would all meet the Lord in the air after the tribulation just as Jesus is rushing into battle!!!???

    In Luke 12:36, it says Jesus is returning to earth from a wedding….. what wedding??? So, obviously, there must be a wedding for Him to return from, right?

    Mark 13:27 talks about the angels gathering the elect from heaven and earth, and since it says that will happen after the tribulation, it must be the rapture aka Second Coming, right?? Oh, so now the angels are doing the resurecting and not Jesus??? Hmmmm…..

    The Bible talks several times about an unknown day, when he tells the parables of the virgins, and then of the 2 people in the field but He also talks about a known day, because it plainly says in the Bible that Jesus will return 1260 days after the antichrist sits in the temple and declares himself to be God….. so there are 2 different days talked about in the Bible, right? Wouldnt that obviously lead someone to believe that those really are TWO DIFFERENT DAYS????

    Revelation 1:17 says that everyone will see Him coming, so there is no way that there will be a “secret rapture”, right?? Excuse me for wondering what the definition of the word “secret” is, but there seems to be a lot of people that believe in a pre trib rapture, so when it happens, its really not gonna be a huge secret!!!!

    Frankly, Im gonna make sure Im ready NOW… Im not gonna dawdle around and do my own thing until 1259 days after some guy sits in a temple and says he’s God…… Jesus said be ready because it could be at any moment….. if nobody ever reads this comment, then that means that Jesus came back for His bride before I could hit the “submit comment” button….. either way, Im gonna make sure that Im ready for it to happen at any time!!! Love you all and keep looking UP!!!!!!!

    • Stephanie…. I love your questions…. they are right on the money.

      The phrase “Secret Rapture” is said that way to make the pretrib belief sound to strange to believe. Yet, when understood within the framework of the Jewish wedding, it makes perfect sense. Jesus will take up his bride, the Church, at the last trump (within the Jewish wedding setting, not the 7th trumpet of the God’s judgement), and they will celebrate the marriage supper during the 7 year tribulation period. BTW… the Jewish wedding feast is 7 days…… and yes, they correspond.

      Here’s a question for the other commenters here. Rev. 20:4-5 specifically describes those who take part in this first resurrection as those who have been beheaded for refusing to follow the antichrist and to take his mark. What about those who up today have “fallen asleep in Christ”? Why are they not described also? Because they had already been resurrected at the time of the rapture. I would argue that the two resurrections of Rev. 20 are the two TYPES of resurrections to happen in the Revelations period…. the first being that of the Righteous Martyrs….. and the 2nd being that who had died in their sins.

      Finally to those who wonder “If Christians are taken up in a pretrib rapture then how are there going to be Christians who are supposed to be martyred during the tribulation? Or who will be around to share the Gospel to others during this period”; I ask this question…… do you not think there are many who have been continually reached out to by their friends and relatives who will finally respond to the Gospel after they realize these Christians are gone? Added to this is all the literature and audio and video and online Christian resources (youtubes and such) that they will have access to.

      There are many problems that the post trib camp have to deal with. And your questions add to these, even more red flags. Keep asking questions!

      • I’m currently almost finished reading a book called “The End” by Mark Hitchcock. He makes a very thorough case for his belief in the timing of the rapture and includes explanations of how he interprets the verses and reconciles them together that also answers Stephanie’s questions. Definitely worth a look.

  33. it’s very interestin to go on you tube, see what they say on the rapture, maybe you can know if and when if you need to back down. Mainly Dr. Rice says, what is the point many times when there are warnings Jesus gave and over and over, and we are to look for Jesus, not more about the evil to come, and it waits on soul-winning, now, and not at Trib. He says we can’t save them, the, etc. Interesting is, he says Revelation was written at a later time than Paul’s day, and explains of that, and that the trumpets in Revelation are judgment trumpets. Tryin to get you interested.

  34. In Rev. Swaggart’s Bible, I find: Jesus’ feet won’t touch earth, at the rapture, til 7 or more years later; forgive me I am tryin to understand, and cause bout the last time i saw The End Times, i tho’t Baxter said he believes Jesus is comin at end of Trib, another time at mid Trib? Pray forgive me and I was dying to get this article of Rapture Before Tribulation to Rev. Baxter.

  35. I like to hear and to study Biblical Prophecy, also I like to listen to Mr.Baxter. He does a great job on prophecy,not that I agree with everything but he gets me to look and study. As for me the teaching of the Rapture is clearly a seperate act than the second coming. Keep and open mind and remember the Church began in the Book of Acts,,so all of our Doctrine for the Church should come from the Epistles. A clear understanding of the Rapture is taught by Paul. The tribulation is a time of testing for Israel (Jacob’s troubles) not for the Church. Paul teaches clearly that the Rapture is imminent and the Return is preceded by signs and miracles. The book of Revelation tells us over and over that the tribulation is after the Church age.( Revelation 1:19,,the things that were,things that are and things to come) also in the Greek begining with chapter 5 each chapter begins with (kai) and ,,which suggest ,next event. In closing a close study of 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 gives a good outline of last day events. Verse 1,,our gathering,,verse- 2 -7 Day of the Lord,the Holy Spirit steps aside verse7 and then the wicked one will be revealed. Keep teaching,keep studying allowing God to guide you. Although I may disagree with some of his teaching Mr. Baxter does a wonderful job of getting Biblical Prophecy out to our times and seems to get people thinking. When the end comes it won”t matter to God was I a pre-trib or post trib,but did you believe in my SON.

  36. Thank you Brother Baxter for refuting the 175-year-old deception of John Nelson Darby about the timing of the Rapture.

    Since the advent of John Nelson Darby’s theology on the “Imminent Return Of Christ,” the TRUTH has been forsaken! John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882), an Irish lawyer, was a fool and a liar. His false doctrine has fathered other liars like William Miller (The Great Disappointment, October 22, 1844) and more recently, Harold Camping (The End Of The World – May 21, 2011)

    However, the Church’s ancient doctrine of the Day Of The Lord was based on the words of Christ: THE RESURRECTION AND RAPTURE WILL NOT OCCUR UNTIL THE LAST DAY… (not to be confused with the general reference to “last days.”) Hear Christ’s words:

    John 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

    And when exactly is the Last Day when the Resurrection occurs? The Last Day will occur with the sounding of the final trumpet… the seventh trumpet of Revelation… Hear the Archangels words:

    Revelation 10: 6-7 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    But what is the Mystery that will be complete at the Last Day with the sounding of the Last Trumpet? Hear Paul’s words:

    1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    But what will happen to God’s witnesses in connection with the Last Trump on the Last day according to John the Revelator?

    Revelation 11:11-13 And after three days and an half (last half of Daniel’s “week” Daniel 9:27 or the last 3 ½ years of the Tribulation period ) the spirit of life from God entered into them and they stood upon their feet (Resurrection); and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud (Rapture); and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    Revelation 11:14-18 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Who are the Two Witnesses that Satan destroyed and who will be raised at the Last Day? They are Jewish adherents of the Law and Gentile recipients of Grace. Hear John’s words:

    Revelation 12:15-17 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman (Israel – the mother of Jesus), that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God (observant Jews), and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Gentiles Christians).

    FINALLY… Paul irrefutably denies Darby’s false doctrine of the “Imminent Return Of Christ” by providing a precise outline for Christ’s return at the Last Day. CHRIST CANNOT RETURN, THE WORLD CANNOT END… until two other events happen first. Hear Apostle Paul:

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: FOR THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

    Paul’s sequence of events: 1st universal apostasy will overshadow Christ’s Church. 2nd Antichrist will reveal himself as Messiah or God. 3rd THE LAST DAY WILL FINALLY OCCUR… with the Resurrection and Rapture of Christ’s Church. ONLY THEN WILL THE EARTH BE JUDGED!

  37. The Pre-Trib Message was never massively preached until the 1800′s when a lot of the other Cults got their foot hold in the hearts of people seeking truth. There are a lot of hoops you have to jump through and there are a lot of scripture that has to be ignored or interpreted and twisted in order for the Pre-Trib Message to almost work.

    Just take the time to go through the Video When Will The Rapture Happen with an open mind and an open bible, and I believe God will show you something you have never seen before.

  38. I’m a pre-trib believer because of 2nd Thess 2. I’m not interested in having a debate with my brothers and sisters in the Lord, because, it always turns into an argument, I’m right you’re wrong or you’re right and I’m wrong. The rapture is a gift from God to the faithful. I look forward to meeting you in heaven. Remain Blessed !!

  39. Where in the Bible is the teaching that the church is the bride of Christ? Every minister I have ever heard preach or teach on this subject says that the church is the bride of Christ. This seems to be contrary to what Rev. 21: 10 says. From what I see in this verse it seems to indicate that the New Jerusalem is going to be the bride of Christ. Any thoughts on this!!!!

    • The comparison of God’s relationship with the church and a husbands relationship to his wife in Ephesians 5. The Apostle Paul gives us the best proof that the church is the bride in 2 Corinthians 11:2. Paul states, “I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.” This shows us that the church would be the bride of Christ if Christ is to be our husband. Finally we see in Revelation 19:7-8 that the bride made herself ready and was clothed in white linen. The armies that followed Christ were clothed in white linen letting us know that the army was the bride of Christ. We also see that those who came out of great tribulation were clothed in white linen in Revelation 7:14. Once we put all of this together we understand the church is the bride of Christ. The description of the New Jerusalem is considered the dwelling place of the bride by some but as you pointed out, the New Jerusalem is called the bride. God does not have multiple brides, therefore we understand that the New Jerusalem is a symbolic description of the church. God bless.

  40. The Bible tells us that 144,000 are sealed and will not be harmed during the tribulation, but will be gathered at Jesus 2nd coming. During the tribulation some will be beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and because they refused to take the mark. (Although I don’t doubt many will be beheaded who stand for Jesus before the tribulation starts) It has been my understanding that those that are beheaded are the ones who make up the great crowd who have been converted to the faith during the tribulation, and those who were already believers (except the 144,000) had been raptured beforehand.

  41. If you believe in a rapture before tribulation, you will be deceived into taking mark of beast. You will think that, it can’t be the mark ’cause you believed rapture was first. The rapture occurs immediately after tribulation. Then the wrath

    • Say we as a family go to church every Sunday., But my wife goes every Sundy night and Wednesday with the kids. but Sunday nights I got to have Sunday night football and am to tired on wens. after work. Now you say I believe in the Lord and have been saved but your wife reads the word every day and prays for you and the children everyday. Then the day our Lord comes and those taken to meet him in the clouds, among those were you’re wife and kids ,but you were LEFT! Would you be considered in your mind on the evil side or because you have belief greater now, to take the mark of the beast or thank GOD for what you know and have his “mark” and lead others to GOD in such a deceiving perilous time. Even now people in the world don’t know Jesus and deny GOD, Heaven and Hell, just because society has conformed us to think for our selves and the churches role in the world in the last 20 years has become relaxed. I would still say there are two different churches, two separate events. The final Harvest has to happen with Christ’s return and then the Bride the dead in Christ and the Ruptured shall come with him in the final battle after the Wedding Feast. Harvest at the coming will be those saints martyred and will be at the throne of GOD at that time. They will have their special place. I think we as believers Pray we have the correct translations of Greek and Hebrew without misconception in the history of translation. Whatever our disagreements are we can see that Jesus is at the door! AMEN?

  42. I don’t know when the rapture will take place, all I know is that we should all be ready and wash our garment everyday

  43. When discussing the Rapture and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ with others there is some confusion that the Second Coming and the Rapture being the same Event.
    Are the Events the same?
    I appreciate Rev. Baxter’s teachings and watch his program every time he is on TV and study my Bible while watching the TV program.

    • In the rapture we are caught together with the Lord in the air, at the 2nd coming, Jesus comes down with His saints and puts His foot on the Mt of Olives.

  44. thank you for that information about the details of the rapture but i di notice that their was no mention of the 7 year period of the devils reign i dont like the word anti christ so i say devil anyhow, Though not explicitly called “the first resurrection” in these passages, here are some other places that speak of the event we refer to as the rapture:,You cannot read Matthew 24 without concluding that Jesus Christ placed the rapture immediately after the tribulation of those days.

    so what do you mean by these 2 passages as it does confuse me and i know the word rapture is not in the bible so what is the correct word in the bible for rapture? and what is the name of the event after the rapture and are you saying in this thesis or short sermon, that immediately after the rapture that the 2nd coming will come, and if so how did you get to that conclusion?, As i remember pastor john hagee siad that there will be a rapture then 7 years that the anti christ the devil will reign then it will be judgement day for the whole world please reply and tell me if my discription is correct according to your theory or your understanding because it can be a bit confusing the exact way it will happen according to the bible especially that there is a scripture that says just will shorten his coming for the sake of the elect few.which so to speak throws a spanner in the works but from my theory that i wrote alot of people have said thats how they have understood these events also. anyhow please excuse my very bad typing and no commerce or stuff and sorry if i am all over the place and your confused with writing hope to hear from you soon GOD bless.

    • The word rapture is not in the Bible but the concept is taught. Biblically this event is known as the gathering together, the resurrection, or the catching away.

      The rapture occurs during the second coming of Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 tells us that as The Lord is descending from heaven those in Christ, both dead and alive, are caught up to meet The Lord in the air. Revelation 19 shows that once we are with Him we continue down with Him to fight in the Battle of Armageddon. Once we put all of the scriptures together we see the big picture.

      The Bible does not teach a 7 year tribulation period. Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 11:1-2, Revelation 12:6, Revelation 12:14, and Revelation 13:5 teach us that the tribulation is 3 1/2 years. We also see this once we compare Matthew 24:15-21 with Daniel 9:27. I hope this helps you. God bless.

  45. the debate I have is the rapture going to occur before or after the tribulation? or who is going to be left behind?

  46. Arent the jews the elect..From my study and understanding,there r 3 groups..Church,Jews and Nations..The church will be raptured before 1Peter 1:2..Help..

    • Throughout the Bible God used the word “elect” for different people. Elect is used in reference to a single man, and it is also used in regard to Israel in the Old Testament. In the New Testament it is used in regard to two women, angels, and the church. The Roman church and the Colossian church were referred to as the elect. The word “elect” is also the same as “chosen” in the New Testament and multiple references are made concerning the church being the chosen. So to say that the elect only refers to Israel would overlook scriptures that clearly refer to the church as the elect as well.

      Also we know that those who are in the rapture are saved. We know that salvation comes through Jesus Christ. Majority of the Jews deny that Jesus was the Messiah and for those who accept Jesus and obey the gospel they would then become part of the body of Christ, the church. We learn in Zechariah that Israel is saved after the Lord returns. So the elect that is gathered in Matthew 24 are not the physical people of God, the Jews, but rather the body of Christ, the church.

  47. concerning the issue of when the rapture will happen, im not even sure anymore. i have been a christian all my life and after listening to very knowledgable teachers with different views on the matter, i have concluded that when the rapture happens should not really concern me as a christian. what should concern me and all of you, is am i ready today, and am i living every day as a witness for our lord. god bless.

    • I too have been quite confused on the issue, and have been back and forth. But like the previous comment honestly says, if we keep close to our Lord, we will be ‘hid’ in a way. I don’t know exactly how, (there’s a lot, even as True Christians were not supposed to know) but we can’t be afraid of what we might be asked by God to endure. True, the punishment is not meant for us, but our willing endurance through it, is a gift we can offer to God. The apostles, I’m sure, cringed at the thought of their destined persecution, but the Holy Spirit was with them to keep them strong. So, be prepared, spirtually and physically (within reason; pray to God to show you what to do) and for now, take one day at a time, like the apostles had to.
      God Be with us all.

  48. As in the days of Noah: Noah was a prepper God told him to build a boat and to fill it with food he was on the boat almost a year. Joseph gathered food for 7 years to prepare (prepper) for the bad seven. A wise man looks to the future to prepare (prepper) The Antichrist NWO is at the door it has been planned for over a 1000 to 2000 years ever since Satan knew he was unforgiveable he wants as many souls as he can take. How long can you go with out food. Remember the 5 foolish virgins they were not ready,,, their oil ran out, they were not preppers. All who believe in a secret Rapture had better read Psalm 91. We are here on earth, to him that overcometh and having done all to stand, overcame him satan by the blood of the lamb. You had get your spiritual and food ready, the giants are returning and the alien deception is almost upon us. Pray that you might escape all these things,, no this is not the rapture. In the old testament God hids his people from the coming wrath.

  49. You can all stay here if you want, but when the trumpet sounds, I’m going with Jesus when He returns in the clouds and says “Come up hither.” Believe me, you don’t want to be here for the Tribulation. You will be glad that Jesus came and took us out of this world. God’s wrath during the Tribulation is not for His bride, but for those who rejected Jesus. Read Jack Van Impe’s book called Revelation. He explains verse by verse beautifully and it’s easy to understand. There is so much confusion in the body of Christ about this, but most Christians believe in a Pre-trib rapture because that’s what the Bible teaches.

  50. I’m getting a little confused regarding the pre tribulation rapture and the post tribulation rapture. is it correct that those who are ready when Jesus Christ comes will caught up with Him, that being the pre tribulation rapture. and those who were not ready when he came that got left behind during the great tribulation and didn’t accept the mark who believe in Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth will end up being raptured during the post tribulation? is this correct?? just wanna make sure coz Im sharing this to my friends and love ones.

    • I wouldn’t get so wrapped up in ‘when’. We being living humans, are confined to linear space and time. Our Lord doesn’t have those constraints. Live everyday, one at time, in a prepared state, but in the mindset that you’ve already been raptured. God Bless.

    • Many people believe that the rapture and second coming and two separate events; the Bible teaches against this. The Bible teaches in 2 Thessalonians 2, that the rapture and the second coming are the same event. Jesus teaches that the rapture will happen at the end of the great tribulation, Matthew 24:29-31. God bless.

  51. Does the Bible tell us when the rapture take place are we living in the last days does propheys point to Isreal as the main function that start process which will lead up to the rapture. Jesus is speaking about the olive tree when blossom then you know summer is near when you see the sign of the times know that my kingdom is near at hand.

    • The Bible tells us in Matthew 24:29-31, that the rapture will take place after the tribulation. We know this to mean at the end of the final seven years prophesied by Daniel. God bless.

  52. On the identity of the restrainer, which is given in masculine terms, I would submit that Daniel 12:1 appears to place Michael as the restrainer, who at the last days will stand (literally step aside) allowing terrible trouble to then come upon Israel, where before he was their special protector… There is no reason to conclude that Michael is disqualified from Restraining here since he does possess the power and authority to also cast Satan out of the Heavenly realm (Rev 12)…

    Also, I would agree with your conclusion on Mt. 24:30 that Christ appearing in the clouds is visible to those on the earth (Rev 6) and they hide from his coming wrath… we see the angels going forth to take the elect in the rapture which parallels Mt.13 on the gathering of the wheat explanation… Also this order of Antichrist revealed in Mt. 24:15 at the abomination of desolation precedes the rapture in Mt.24:30… and a close look at Paul’s order in 2 Thess 2:1-5 also shows the same order–that the apostasy/falling away and revealing of Antichrist must precede our “gathering unto Christ” at the Rapture.

    Something to consider,

  53. Not only is the Rapture mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Matthew 24:27, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54; it is mentioned in numerous other New Testament passages that speak about Christ’s return.
    For instance, Titus 2:13; “Looking for that blessed hope [the Rapture], and the glorious appearing [the Revelation] of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.”

    Will the Rapture of the Church bring both blessing and sorrow? Yes. Some will be ashamed (1 John 2:28), and some will be full of joy. That is why, in 1 Thessalonians 2:19, Paul asks, “What is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing?” What is going to bring you and me a great crown? He then answers, “Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?” (v. 19). Paul was saying, “I’m going to present you-those I’ve won to Christ from Rome to Corinth-before the Lord, and that is going to be my joy.” But think of the multitudes who will stand before the Lord empty-handed. These are people who have been saved for years, but have no record of service-none whatsoever. They have never won a single soul to Christ.

    Since every sign for Christ’s return to earth is already in progress (we’ll later look in some detail at contemporary events that prove this), this great wedding must occur soon. It will not be long before we hear the words, “Come up hither” (Revelation 4:1).
    Then Revelation 19:7 says, “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.” Every bride anticipates the joys of a honeymoon.
    Therefore, the next logical question is, “How long will the honeymoon last for the bride of Christ?” After we are taken up in the Rapture (Revelation 4), we return with Christ in Revelation 19:14: “And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses.” Jude verse 14 says, “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.”
    Revelation 20:4 says, “And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.” The only ones coming back with Him are the Bride-to begin the honeymoon. This does not include, however, the Old Testament saints. John 1:17 says, “For the law was given by Moses, but grace [the new dispensation, or covenant] and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
    Now, concerning the salvation of John the Baptist-he did not become a part of the Bride at Pentecost. He was saved before Pentecost. So Jesus called him a “friend of the bridegroom” (John 3:29). John, then, is considered to be a friend of the Bridegroom but not part of the Bride.

    The Church, or Bride, began to be formed on the Day of Pentecost and will be completed at the Rapture. Hence, the Old Testament saints are not members of the Bride or Church. Also, since the Church is evacuated at the Rapture-before the Tribulation begins (Revelation 4:1)-one can clearly see that the Tribulation saints who are martyred during this horrendous period do not constitute part of the Bride or Church.
    The Bride is definitely that group of blood-washed believers beginning at Pentecost and completed at the Rapture.
    Both the Old Testament and Tribulation saints are raised when Christ returns to earth, so they may be guests at the marriage supper of the Lamb on earth (see Daniel 12:2; Revelation 4-5).

    God bless everyone, Tom

    • How can it be post trib? The Bible says that we come back with Jesus to rule and reign after the Tribulation, so how can we be here if we’re coming back with Him?

      • if the greek word for tribulation is Thlipsis, then this literally means “affliction” just like we are promised tribulation in this world and other examples where the word is used…it doesn’t refer necessarily to “The Great Tribulation.” Mt.24 appears to indicate that we will endure some measure of persecution before we are gathered to Christ… notice that the rapture in Mt.24:30 follows the signs of the blood moon and solar eclipse coinciding with the Sixth Seal of Rev 6. Since both Mt. 24:15, 30 / 2 Thess 2:1-5 indicate Antichrist revealed prior to the “gathering unto Christ,” many believe we will be here until just after the midpoint when the Abomination of Desolation occurs as mentioned by Jesus as what “reveals” the Antichrist. Interestingly, Christ mentions the Abomination of Desolation to watch out for and flee, but never mentions the Israeli covenant with Antichrist (Dan 9:27)… just something to mull over, but did you notice that in Dan 9:27 the covenant is confirmed (strengthened) with “many” for one week. Israel is not mentioned, only assumed. What if that covenant that is strengthened were with other political powers (10 kings?) and the matter of 3.5 years was not a “breaking of any covenant” (also not mentioned) but rather the time when Antichrist forces his will upon Israel simply in relation to that mentioned seven year period?
        In that case there would be no Israeli covenant for believers to recognize (and believers entering the 70th week would be looking like we are now… they would reveal him before the Abomination revealing) we would be in the 70th week without realizing it or the identity of Antichrist until the Abomination took place, just as Jesus said.

        Something to think about

  54. I believe pre-trib teaching is part of the great deception. Its only been around for about 100 years.
    If satan were smart, he’d have all of us believing we’re to be raptured out and have us lose faith cause we felt deceived when it don’t happen. (its just not scriptural)
    God is the same today as he was in Noah’s day. He don’t change.
    Jesus’s deciples died horrible deaths.
    Stephen was stoned
    Shadrach, Meshach, & Abenego were tossed into the furnace.
    Parable of the 10 virgins – 5 took oil cause they knew they had to endure. 5 didn’t cause they thought they’d be raptured.

    • SHADRACH, MESHACH AND ABEDNEGO DID NOT DIE IN THE FURNACE THEY WE’RE SAVED BY AN ANGEL SENT BY GOD, I do not know why you wish to strike fear in us, The bride of Christ, The words spoken by Christ in The Bible more than any others we’re “Fear not”. Jesus is coming back for His bride and He is not going to leave those who love Him and follow Him faithfully before the rapture happens to die. The rapture is happening soon.

      Parable of the 10 virgins – 5 were prepared and entered the party, 5 were left at the shut door.

  55. I see scripture that I firmly believe points to the rapture being pre trib. And I see scripture that firmly points to post trib. I believe some scripture is for the church, pre trib. And some to the Jews, post trib.for instance Luke 17 describes people being caught away , and Matthew 24:15-21, speaks of this same event, and in Daniel 9 this event is also spoken of as taken place half way through the 70th week.In this event people are taken away and some are being told to flee because of great tribulation that is about to occur.When I look at what Jesus, Daniel, and Paul had to say about this event. This is what I am deducing. Anyway lets just be ready.

  56. (accidentally submitted before completed) at the same time the world is deceived by him big time and does not believe or ignores the Christians that will witness against him. The Antichrist’s true identity will be revealed to all, absolutely and finally, when Jesus returns and destroys him with the brightness of His coming. “…the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”(Revelation 19:20 KJV). It will also will be too late for those that follow him at this point. This is my understanding of these verses.

  57. I agree with the above timing of our changing(aka rapture). “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” (2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV) and “And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:” (2 Thessalonians 2:8 KJV). The first revealing of the Antichrist will be to us that know the truth and have faith in Jesus, when they world is decieved

  58. Greetings to u my belove and faithful sojourners in christ,

    The teaching of christ concerning the rapture is true but let not ur heart be trouble u believe in God believe also in me, bcos in my fathers house are many mashions. This are the word of christ to comfort believers that there is hope remember that in the book of Rev. 1:6 it read: behold he comes with cloud and every eye shall see him both them that piece him shall wail bcos of him even so amen. The rapture is a turning point to true believers whom have been purge from sin with the blood of Jesus, it is something that build up our hope in christian race by the Grace of God. Bcos the lord make it very clear in the book of 1.cor: that we shall not all sleep but we shall all be change n the book of 1john also read that every man that has this hope in him purify himself even as he is pure. The lord is coming again to reign with his saint the rapture is also an invitation to the marriage supper of the lamb. This are the very hope we have as christians that our labour is not invain. Bcos the lord has make it cleare to us in rev22:12 saying: Behold i come quickly and my reward is with me to give to every man according to their works… Of a truth the wicked shall do wickedly but we don’t have to forget about those servant with 5 talent that gain other 5 and the one with 2 that also did the same. what about the 1 that was having only 1 talent what did he do with it? He went to hide it… All this are written for examples and for our admonition wherefore let him that think he standest take heed lest he fall.. The lord Jesus have said it all in the second to the last verse of rev22:21 that surely i come quickly…we as today saint should be able to say amen even so come Lord Jesus.

  59. I am so glad I found your website. I have always felt like I was in the minority for not seeing scriptural evidence of a pre-trib rapture. I have also been bewildered at the vehemence over pre-trib vs mid or post-trib. I think we need to be prepared for persecution such as has never been seen before and be willing to die for Christ, rather than argue about when the rapture occurs in the timeline.

  60. It all clear in the book of revelation: on the sounding of sixth trumpet & the sealing of the 144000, the rapture took place -it all happend at once (revel 7:9,13-14). They washed themselves with the blood. After that, comes destruction, then three &half year tribulation ruled by the beast. Then the left behind who did not take the mark of the beast but hold fast to the testimony of jesus christ & where killed will then come up( reve15:2-4).

    • In rev. the saints are returning with the Lord to the battle of armegedon. If it is post trib. we would meet ourselves coming and going. I believe the church is pre, and the trib. is for the Jews, who rejected their God time and time again. And in the tribulation God is recovering a remanant of the Jews.I believe the door is closed on the rest of mankind. Just like in the days of Noah

  61. We must believe scripture more than any triditian of man. Man is very often wrong so we must believe God.
    Rom.3[3] For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
    [4] God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; With that said all this stuff about Pre trib, mid trid, post trib must be based on God’s word. This one scripture tells when the rapture will happen: 1Cor.15[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Remember “let God be true and everyman a lier”. All you have to do is find out when the last trump will sound. This is the Word of God on the issue. Rev.8[2] And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. I ask you which is the “last trump”? Here is the last trump sounding in God’s word: Rev.10[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished. The Apostle also said this about it: 1Cor 15[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    [55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
    Here the last trump sounds: Rev.11[15] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
    The word of God is true. The rapture the will only happen at the last trump and not before.

    • So the question becomes, when does the seventh trumpet sound? Is it possible that it is the sounding of this trump that begins the 70th week of Daniel? If so, then the pre-trib view is correct. The problem then becomes, most pre-tribbers believe ALL of the trumpets sound during the Great Tribulation.
      Perhaps we would do better if we followed the instruction of the Lord:
      Acts 1:6-8 “When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, will thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
      Paraphrased: “Don’t worry about things you can’t control. Do what I told you to do.”
      If we are doing what He told us to do, what difference does it make when the rapture happens?

  62. Praise the Lord!

    Hello Mr. Saxton,
    I just wanted to point something out that was pointed out to me. It’s very common to hear the conclusion that God won’t allow Satan to beat up on us, but will take us out before then. I once heard about a woman walking into her pastors office complaining about how life was so hard. Her words were That it was not fair. That she could not believe God would let this misfortune happen to her. Or, that He would allow her to be treated so badly. “I am a child of God,” she said, “how can He let this happen to me?” The pastor calmly looked over his desk at her and replied, “And what happened to the Son of God?”
    We are to be a chaste virgin. However, being chaste does not mean there will not be persecution and tribulation. If we will remember, not only was Jesus beaten and crucified, but all of the apostles, with the exception of John, were martyred. Not only them, but so many saints of the early Church were as well.
    Daniel 12:10, speaking of the time we know as the Great Tribulation, says, “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”
    Going through tribulation is not what causes the spots or wrinkles. How we react during tribulation can. Some may have learned to walk the fence of Christianity, never really giving it all to God, but balancing it just enough to convince the world. Going through the fire of tribulation will cause people to make a choice. Those who truly love God in their hearts will turn to Him. Those who do it just for show will fall away.
    If the latter rain is to be greater than the former rain, I can only imagine and temble while believing that the latter persecution will be greater than the former. The early saints were not raptured out to avoid it, and I don’t see in Scripture where we won’t be persecuted by the evil of the world in the form of Tribulation.
    Coming through Tribulation without failing God does not put a blemish on my robes, nor a mark on my crown. Count it all joy, make those robes “shine as the brightness of the firmament” & let my crown shine “as the stars for ever and ever”
    You don’t iron wrinkles out of garments with a cold iron, you have to apply a little heat. To refine gold, you must put it through the fire.

    God bless EndTime for the wonderful work for God you are doing!
    Steve in SC

  63. Irvin, I saw you on you tube in an interview where you said that the rapture will occur during the tribulation. Well i can see how may come to that. Rev 3 where you see the first resurrection is your major factor to this conclusion. And you also state that the tribulation is not God’s wrath which true, its not. It is Satan’s wrath. And the Lord God will not beat His bride before the wedding BUT will He allow Satan to beat His bride before the wedding? I believe not. It is clear the rapture will happen before the tribulation due to us being is chaste virgin through BELIEF ON CHRIST ALONE for He has made us clean through His finished work being the blemish for us. that why we don’t have have spot or wrinkle and are clean and chaste. He will not allow us to be subject to Satan’s wrath with tribulation. And little of us even know that New Age Luciferians are confirming that Jesus will rapture us and they are waiting on it to happen right now! I said it !!! So that they can have their time!! Which will leave the tribulation saints. Those that will believe on Christ after we are raptured. . but dont believe now.

  64. I know what I believe about the rapture and what the bible teaches about the rapture. So I’m going to agree to disagree with my Brothers in Christ, so here’s my advice Be Prayed Up,Packed Up and Ready To Go Up.

  65. I am not a pre-trib subscriber…I personally believe that we will go through the “tribulation” (testing) but will be “raptured” before the “Day of the Lord” (God’s judgement, or wrath)…that is my PERSONAL belief…

    I could be wrong…but if I am, and pre-trib is correct, I win…if my view is correct, life will be harder, but, I win…

    However, if the pre-trib is wrong, there are millions (literally) of people who will NOT be ready for the testing and many, many will fall away…I hope I AM wrong…believe me…I see a time when the coming persecution will melt away the superficial beliefs of many Christians and they will become followers of the world system and will betray those who are so in LOVE with God that they will lay down their lives, if necessary, for the LAMB…

    For what its worth…I came from a looooonnng line of pre-trib teaching…this is not something I woke up one day and decided to rebel against…in fact, I keep thinking how I could possibly be right and so many wrong…but I simply CANNOT subscribe to the pre-trib theology based on years of searching, reading, praying, and thinking on these things…

    All I want if for everybody to get rid of all the man-made books, videos, and other media and ONLY compare what verses of scripture say to each other…then ask for the direction…that’s all…

  66. This is wrong. The Rapture is before the Tribulation. The Rapture and the Second Coming are 2 different things. The Rapture is when all Born-Again Believers will be taken by Jesus Christ himself. The Second coming of Christ is at the Battle of Armageddon when the Jesus comes with all the people who were Ruptured to face the Battle showdown between Good and Evil. Be ready for Jesus! The Rapture is VERY close. It could happen today.

    • Just to let you know I am not saying you are wrong or right. The pretrib rapture was a theory that came about though tghe catholic church then Darby prefected it. The Catholic church is responsible for the commercialzation of two of our most beloved holidays Christmas and Easter. These were comercialized though the easter bunny and Santa Clause. now I dont know many adults that believe in them. Well they have done the same thing with Christianity though the various Rapture theories almost as if people are getting their ticket to heaven. I believe this ww3 will be the major test of the pretrib rapture theory. If indeed it does not happen Dont go out and go postal on a preacher!! DO NOT loose your Faith!!! Instead pray the truth will be shown to you and all that do.

    • The belief that the rapture of the church takes place prior to the tribulation period is a vain imagination thought up by man. It is a hope of escaping that which may be some very difficult times of existence. Our hope is not supposed to be one of escape. Our hope is to be in God! In Him we should trust and have faith that He will provide and care for His children. God’s Word, not man’s, teaches that, if we are still alive when the tribulation time comes, we will experience it. You need to read and study God’s Word and let HIM tell you about it. Don’t base your faith on other books, or let someone else tell you what to believe. How are you going to be able to stand firm on your belief if you have not studied for yourself? You won’t! If your faith is based on books other than the Bible, or another person’s interpretation of God’s Word, then you will not stand, but fall into confusion. And you will fall quickly when the persecution begins! When times get really hard, you may to stand firm in your faith even unto death! Make sure it is YOUR faith you are standing on and not someone else’. This is not to say that you shouldn’t search out other books, or teachings, to help you understand God’s Word. We all need input from various sources. That’s what church is supposed to be about. But choose your sources wisely. Make sure they match up with God’s Word. READ, STUDY, PRAY, and STAND FIRM IN THE FAITH.

    • We find multiple scriptures that show these events occurring at the same time. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 refers to them as one day, Matthew 24:29-31 shows them happening together, 1 Corinthians 15:23 shows that they happen together, and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 shows that they happen together. Just some scriptures to take into consideration.

  67. Timothy,
    Western Christians have a very hard time with the rapture and all the theories behind this event that will take place. We have to understand that the rapture is not designed to save any one from any tribulation. Instead you have to look at ancient Jewish Marrage tradition How was it done? Basicly the groom parts from his bride at the ingagement party to prepare a place for them usually attached to his fathers home. The father of the groom is the only one that knows when the marrage will take place. The groom has no clue. When the place is prepared then wedding party sets out down the street, the bride has to be ready with her servents when she hears the trumpets coming down the street she meets the groom sits next to her groom and is then lifted up and carried away to the marrage celebration. This is the rapture remember the end is Jesus marring his church. He is looking for a real bride so he is going to test our faith in him with the tribulation, EVEN IF WE ARE SAVED!!!. We are going to be saved from the wrath though him NOT by him!!! in other words Spiritually NOT phyically. The key is we have to keep the faith in him at all times. The way I figure this will go down is several people will fall away or stand in rebellion because when this war happens they were not be raptured. Just like in ww2 this history will repeat itself again. This time the people will join the NWO’s interfaith church which is blastphamy. They will be chipped but when the antichrist trys to make them take his creed or mark and they deny it. They will beheadded electrnicly (though the chip). This will automaticly save them and send them to Heaven. For those of us that do not take part in the chip or the economy we will be on our own ( without the world ruling us) we will just have our faith in God till he returns for us. NEVER loose your faith Be patient.. do not allow anyone deceive you by any means. for that day shall not come till there be a falling a way first then the man of sin be reveiled the son of perdition 2 Thes 2:3 THIS BLOWS THE PRETRIB RAPTURE CLEAN OUT OF THE WATER!!!
    Most pretribbers teach the Christians will know who the antichrist is before the 7 year period happens we are real close to that last 7 yrears who is the antichrist??? I have no idea when he is reveiled he will be reveiled to the world not just to the believers. I hope this helps you. God Bless

    • First I think you are onto something very important, which is the Bible, both Old & New Testament, was written by Jewish men, about the Jewish people and the very first believers in Jesus Christ were Jewish, and Jesus himself was the Jewish prophesied Messiah. All of the Bible is written with a Jewish cultural mindset.

      Second I think it’s important to look at who translated the Manuscripts. How certain words were changed. For example: the pale horse, which thanks to this Minister, I now understand.

      Third, consider how God delivered His chosen people from bondage in Eqypt. Were they raptured even as the Eqyptian soldiers were drowned?

      I’m just saying, think about it. Open you eyes to all of God’s miracles.

  68. I don’t believe he is saying that. He is attempting to show another reason why the pre-tribulation rapture theory is incorrect. One of the main tenants of the near satanic pre-trib theory is that the Holy Spirit will be removed from the world during the Great Tribulation. This would mean that Christians could not be here either, thus the need for a pre-trib rapture.

    If you have accepted Christ as your lord and savior, and believe that he died and rose again to cover your sins, and have not accepted the mark of the beast, then you will be raptured at the end of the Great Tribulation.

    • Hi, Timothy what scripture support your saying that the Holy Ghost or Spirit will not be present during the last days. I used to believe in the rapture thing that we would be taken up and all. But this is a testimony, that I believe was given me by God. I remember reading about the Black plague and how the Christians choose to stay behidn to help and how many of them died during that because of their kindness. Honestly I was kind of conflicted. I was kind of thinking that if they were to die anyway then why stay? But stay they did. Then much later God brought that question back to me. We are the presence of God on earth, we are His vessel, His temples, we are His mark on earth just like the mark of Cesear on the coins. We are His ambassadors! So to me God posed this question, during the worst time in human history, why would I remove my presence of the face of the earth? How are people suppose to be saved? Then I knew that we were not going to be raptured up. There is also much more scriptures supporting this, but that was how I received my revelation. I hope it helps someone else out there. However, I know that we are not to face the wrath of God, because we are His children, but doing the great tribulation and the antichrist we are to suffer. Who else would the antichrist target? He is after all the antichrist. If Christ who lives in Believers has been removed who is he to target? Who is he to kill?

      • The reason there has to be a removal is because all those left behind with the mark or refuse to repent of their sins they are all condemned to death on the face of the earth and all who are still alive when Christ comes who believe in him will replenish the earth for 1000 years but those who where beheaded are added to Gods immortal saints because they where beheaded, they died but believers who became believers during this even they are added to Gods immortal Saints because they Died for spreading the Gospel of Gods Holy Words. In other words unless you die in Christ or you are called up(Raptured) with the dead in Christ just before Great Tribulation then there is NO immortality because your body is not a celestial Body because it is not changed yet, not till you die in Christ or you are Raptured Alive and changed. Only way anyone can live immortal here on earth is if the world is ridden of the wicked.

        • And that will not be until Satan is let loose and the last battle takes place and then God personally with power throws them all down and sets all the saints and all those who where saved during that last fight that God throws down Satan and all he deceived into submission to his mark(all that willingly fallowed him) and all the saints and all who where saved where placed on a sea of glass and then the Heavens and the Earth, the sun and the moon all faded from the face Of God and there was found no place for them and then he made a new heaven and a new earth and out of Heaven came down the new City Of Jerusalem and God wiped all the tears from their eyes and said behold i make all things new…. Amen

          Just one thing……
          the middle of Tribulation would have to be somewhere between 3 1/2 years the end of the next 3 1/2 years is where the Rapture will occur but it will happen like a thief in the night just as he said before, now in order for something to happen like a thief in the night it would have to happen when you least expect it, as in you would have to not be ready for the return of Christ which also covers the fact that Believers in Jesus Christ will be kept from the hour of temptation So in other words God is not going to allow his people to be caught in the middle of a Battle between Satan and all of his deceived followers of the earth who he 1st used to capture and execute all those who became saved by Jesus Christ,Christians from all around the world where being tortured and then beheaded for his names sake. and then he went forth to attack Jesus Christ and all of the saints and Angels in the glory of God Almighty because you see after God Throws down Satan for the second time, Satan gets angry and attacks his people to provoke God which works because God Loves his people so God, His begotten Son Jesus Christ, all of his Angels and all of the Saints come from heaven to deliver the world from evil and save what is left of Humanity that became saved who where still alive to the end of it all and they replenish the earth and populate for 1000 years then satan is let loose and the earth destroyed for the 4th time.

    • I would consider myself “pre-trib”, but I have never once heard anybody teach that the Holy Spirit will be removed during the tribulation, not sure exactly who you’re listening to. The Holy Spirit will operate as He did during the Old Covenant. Hence, Joel’s dreams and visions during the tribulation, which are not necessary while we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

      • in cloudten movie( cant remember which one) if said the holy spirit leaves earth with the church. what influences them to turn to the lord during the 3 and a half year tribulation??

    • I guess it depends at what point you believe the Lord pours out His divine wrath. Jesus opens the 1st seal, I just don’t see any way past that being the beginning. Every time God pours out His wrath on a society or the world, he protects His elect, ie Noah and Lot. It has nothing to do with going through persecution. We have been lucky in the United States, but after spending over 3 years on deployments to the Middle East, Christians are enduring persecution every minute of every day there and in Africa. If our marriage is a picture of the Church’s relationship with Christ, can you imagine Jesus beating and killing His bride for 7 years then returning in love. It’s not biblical, nor is the Church meant for God’s wrath. The Church doesn’t need to prove anything to God, Jesus already did everything for us to merit God’s favor.

        • Hi,

          Do you believe the wrath of God is the entire seven years. The Bible tells us the first 3 1/2 years will be the reign of the Antichrist. I think during this time Christians will suffer. But not after.

    • While i understand that the issue of whether the rapture is postorpretribulation raises tempers among christians what concerns me so much is that many times either of the sides believe what they are believing in is right but the problem is the truths cant be two it means of these two everyone is facing the truth and the counterfeit at the same time.So where dowe turn to?We turn to the spirit of God,you should be able to see it in scripture not because my pastor told me this and that because what happens when may be my so called missed it?I was studying how the Jewish wedding was conducted and i have discovered that some truths about prophesy are hidden in the parables and even in Jewish culture.When a young man had proposed to a young lady ,an engagement ceremony would take place meaning a covenant was in place that the couple would be married and they would all drink from the same cup which as believers we do when we take communion which is a covenant in remebrance of Him.After this the youngman would return to his father where he was expected to build a house for his bride and the time for him to return to take his bride was only determined by his father who would first of all inspect everything and if satisfied would give the go ahead for the youngman to go and pick his bride thats why the bible says of that day no one knows even the Son or angels but only the father.Now during those times in the east,there was a system in which brides were abducted in the middle of the night and this actually happens even in Africa now where the groom comes at night and they depart during the night and people learn of their disappearance when morning comes.Now if you follow the events properly you will find that the wedding of the lamb takes in heaven and come the wedding day the couple would proceed into a room where they would stay there for 7 days while celebrations are taking place outside and they would reappear later after those 7 days so in this scenario the door opens as they go in and it reopens as they come out.If we say the Rapture is depicted in Mathew24:29-31 then it doesnt appear to be occurring in a twinkling of an eye which is less than a second and at the same time He doesnt seem to be coming as a thief in the night in other words once you see those events before his eventual appearance everyone will have known that its rapture not so?The gathering of the elect mentioned in verse 31 of Matthew24 to me doesnt appear to be rapture.

      • We have to be careful when comparing the Bible to a wedding tradition. Is the wedding tradition infallible or is the Bible? When we answer this question I believe we cannot compare scripture to a wedding tradition to try and draw a conclusion. Dealing with 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, we need to read it to understand what is being said. When we do this we learn that the rapture does not happen in the twinkling of an eye it is our change from mortal to immortal that happens in the twinkling of an eye. Then when we consider the Lord coming as a thief in the night we must consider 1 Thessalonians 5. In the very beginning of this chapter we learn that the Lord will come as a thief in the night to those who are in darkness. Then we learn that those of us who are in the light should not be taken by surprise by the coming of the Lord. So those of us who are in the light should have understanding of the times. Now when we take all of these things into consideration we can see that Matthew 24:29-31 is a depiction of the second coming and the rapture.

  69. What is holy spirit has to do with the rapture i.e can some who is yet to receive the power of holyspirit be raptured