The Two Witnesses: Who are They?

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Who are the two witnesses in the book of Revelation?

“And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.” —Revelation 11:11

They will know their God.  They shall be strong and do exploits.

As pressure for an “international” solution to the Middle East problem mounts with each passing bullet, let us consider what the prophecies forecast for the times just ahead.


A global leader will pave the way for Israel to build her Third Temple. Daily sacrifices in the temple will begin. There will be a war in heaven. Satan will be forbidden access to heaven and will no longer be able to function as the “accuser of the brethren.” When this happens, the Bible says that the global leader will walk into Israel’s temple, stop the sacrifices and claim to be Messiah and God. This event, called in the Bible the “abomination of desolation,” will trigger Satan’s 3 1/2 year war against the saints. This time of great tribulation is described in Revelation 13:5-7.

“And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”

It appears that this time of tribulation will come first upon the Jewish settlers of Judea, and then will spread from there to Christians the world over (Revelation 12:13,17). But that’s only half of the picture. The other half, much overlooked, is recorded in Daniel 11:32: “And they that know their God shall be strong and do exploits.” Who is this referring to? Let’s look closer.


Daniel 11:31 records the abomination of desolation. That is when Satan begins his 3 1/2-year power trip. But it’s also the same time that two prophets from God receive power from on high for the same 3 1/2 years. This is recorded in Revelation 11:3: “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” The great tribulation will feature the classic battle-good vs. evil.


The time for the ministry of the Two Witnesses is close. They are certainly alive on earth right now, but we don’t yet know who they are.


The account of the Two Witnesses comes to us sandwiched in the midst of the account of the Seven Trumpets of Revelation. Specifically, we read of them between the 6th and 7th Trumpets. Their ministry, therefore, begins after the 6th Trumpet war and continues until the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Much debate has raged over these two special prophets of God. Who are they?

Is one of the two witnesses Elijah?

Some have argued very persuasively that one of the Two Witnesses must be Elijah. In Malachi 4:5 we have this prophecy: “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”


It is because of this prophecy that the Jewish people have long looked for Elijah to come, announcing the arrival of the Messiah. Many believe this will happen during the time of the annual Passover feast. This is why every Passover meal has an extra place setting for Elijah, just in case he would appear.


During the 16th and 17th centuries, the Jewish people claimed to their Turkish occupiers that Elijah would soon come, entering through the Eastern Gate of the Temple Mount. The prospect of this scared the Turks of the Ottoman Empire so much that they had masons seal up the Eastern Gate. It is still sealed to this day. Oddly, the Turks had no idea that they were fulfilling an incredible prophecy in Ezekiel 44:1-3. The prophecy states that the Eastern Gate would be sealed, because the Lord had entered in by it. (Jesus fulfilled this prophecy when He entered through the Eastern Gate during His triumphal entry, one week before His crucifixion.) The prophecy also states that it would not be opened again until He came back, entering through it again. The Eastern Gate stands sealed until this very moment, awaiting the Second Coming of Jesus. The Turks, in an attempt to prevent one prophecy from being fulfilled, unknowingly fulfilled another!


Back to Malachi’s “I will send you Elijah before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”


Many of the Jewish people of the 1st Century puzzled over whether or not this man named Jesus was, in fact, the Messiah. He fed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish. He raised the dead, walked on water, opened blind eyes…What more would Messiah do when He came?


One day the disciples came to Jesus asking, if you are Messiah, then where is Elijah? They knew the prophecy said that Elijah must come before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Jesus answered in Matthew 17:12-13:”But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that He spake unto them of John the Baptist.” So according to Jesus, the Elijah prophecy was fulfilled by the coming of John the Baptist.

Every person must die

Many have insisted that Elijah must be one of the Two Witnesses because he was taken up to heaven in a whirlwind and did not experience death. Hebrews 9:27 teaches that it is appointed unto men once to die. They contend that Elijah’s required death will be accomplished when he dies as one of the Two Witnesses.


There is a glaring flaw in this logic. Scripture teaches that the saved on earth at the time of the rapture will never see death. I Corinthians 15:51-54 tells us that we shall not all sleep (die), but that we shall all be changed from mortal to immortality at the last trump. Once we are immortal, we will certainly not be able to come back later and die. If we don’t have to come back to die after the rapture, then Elijah certainly doesn’t have to come back and die either.

Are the two witnesses Moses and Elijah?

Another reason many have thought Elijah would be one of the Two Witnesses is found in Matthew 17:1-3. It says, “And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.” Here, on the Mount of Transfiguration, both Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus.


Revelation 11:4 describes the Two Witnesses as “the two olive trees” and “the two candlesticks,” which stand before the God of the earth. Since Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, many have concluded that they are these “two olive trees.”


Another factor that adds credence to the possibility is found by studying Revelation 11:5-6. In these verses we find the Two Witnesses performing the same miracles that Moses and Elijah were noted for during their ministries. If any man tries to hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouths and devour their enemies.


Remember that Elijah pulled down fire from heaven and devoured his enemies at one point. The Two Witnesses will have power to cause a drought for the 3 1/2 years of their ministry. Elijah had the power to do the same. They will have power to turn waters into blood. Moses did that in Egypt-Plague #1. The Two Witnesses will have the power to smite the earth with all plagues. This again reminds of the ministry of Moses.


Now for the problems with this view: The Bible states that Moses died and God buried him. If Moses were to be one of the Two Witnesses, he would have to be reincarnated and then die the second time. Elijah would also have to be  reincarnated since by now he would be nearly 3,000 years old.


We don’t have one example of reincarnation in the Bible. We also don’t have any record where a person from a previous generation came back to earth to preach. These factors preclude, in my mind, the possibility of Moses and Elijah returning to earth as the Two Witnesses.

Do Two Witnesses symbolize Israel and the church?

Another very prominent opinion states that the Two Witnesses represent the Jewish and the Gentile church. This is not illogical since symbols are used prominently throughout the book of Revelation. Here is the reason some people believe this theory:


In Romans 11:24-25, the Apostle Paul refers to Israel as the tame olive tree and to the Gentiles as a wild olive tree. Revelation 11:4 says the Two Witnesses are “the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.” From these two passages it has been deduced that there would be, in the end time, a Gentile church and a Jewish church witnessing in the earth.


To some, this is quite a persuasive argument. However, the prophecy concerning the Two Witnesses calls them two prophets. It also says they will be killed and lie in the street for three and one-half days. I see no logical way that a nation or a church could be killed and lay in the streets. These two prophets will be two literal men.


The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 will not be the Jewish and the Gentile church. They will not be Moses and Elijah reincarnated.


John the Baptist was not literally Elijah; yet Jesus said that he fulfilled the Elijah prophecy because he came in the spirit and power of Elijah. Likewise, the Two Witnesses will be two ordinary people that apparently come in the spirit and power of Moses and Elijah. These two prophets are almost certainly alive on this earth right now, and are being prepared by God for the ministry for which they have been ordained.


The time for the revelation of the Antichrist and False Prophet is near. These two men will be Satan’s two witnesses.


God has an answer for Satan’s master plan. He will present His Two Witnesses to the world. They will preach the full truth of God’s Word for three and one-half years. They will then die in Jerusalem. After 3 1/2 days, they will be resurrected and caught up into the sky.


Yes, Satan’s messengers will deceive the world and corrupt the people of the world by his flatteries. But, the people who know their God shall be strong and do exploits!


By Irvin Baxter
Endtime Magazine – Mar / Apr 2003

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96 Responses to “The Two Witnesses: Who are They?”

  1. What are they to witness? They are to be a complete manifestation of the Plan and Purpose of God in a world which is completely contrary to who God is and what He has been doing from before the foundation of the world. What plan? To Create an exact Mirror Image of Himself, who would be able to Love Himself and Worship Him with the same exact Power and intensity which He has towards Himself. God’s 2nd Creation is to Create a Wife. The 1st Creation is How God will perfect His Wife, so that she will experience that He is God, and that Her Power to exist and create is only because God has taken of His Spirit and given it unto to Her to exist and to PLEASE Himself.
    Jesus Christ is the Full Image of the Father. It is He who has Created the 2 Witnesses through the combination of the past 7 Church Ages. They will have experienced a full redemption from all their sin, WHILE they are still alive in their fleshly bodies. The 2 Witnesses combined, will also be the Full Image of the Father. They will be a Male and a Female, typing out God and His Wife. They will be the Capstone of the Spiritual Temple of the Lord.
    No government will build the Temple on the Temple Mount. The 2 Witnesses will build it on the Temple Mount, which will cause the false peace treaty, which the Beast System has created with many nations – including Israel, to wane and be on the verge of collapse. The 1st half of Daniel’s 70th week will be the government of Israel herself, trying to put the 2 prophets to death – The Trumpets will be happening – But they will fail. The Beast system will have to come in then at the midway point and put them to death along with much of Israel. The 2nd half of the week will be the judgment against the Beast System herself.
    The True Judgment is to Judge everything according to the cycle of the Jesus Christ’s Death, Burial, and then Resurrection. Sacrifice happens first, then God will go forward as a Mighty Man at the halfway mark and Truly fight for Israel. Never again will she or Her land be inhabited by anyone but Israel.
    The peace Treaty of Man, no matter how awesome and peaceful as it may seem, is NOT God’s Eternal Peace. Look to God and His 2 Witnesses, they will certainly straighten out the mess that the entire Church World is in, the blindness that the Jews are in, and the corruption and darkness that the governments of the whole world is in.

  2. Rogers

    Hello guys the time has already dawned for the two witnesses have come,and are about to start there work.Hope all you Christians will start worshipping God truly.This is the last chance as peter spoke.The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. (2 Peter 3:9).

  3. Renee

    Moses is indeed dead. He will not be raised to die a second time. Elijah to this day is not dead. He is in heaven in his natural body. The only other person in the Bible who might be one of the two witnesses is Enoch. Enoch to this day is not dead. The Bibles makes no reference to Enoch being dead or to his death. I believe there is a strong possibility the two winesses are Enoch and Elijah. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. Those 2 are still in their flesh and BLOOD bodies.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Renee,
      1 Corinthians 15 tells us that flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

      So, this being said how would Elijah and Enoch be in their mortal bodies? The book of Hebrews says this: Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

      This word translated means to transfer, Enoch and Elijah were removed from their Earthly state to a Heavenly state without experiencing death. So they will not come back as flesh and blood again. The two witnesses will be to mortal beings, who will be like John the Baptist, who came in the power and the Spirit of Elijah.

      Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

      Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
      2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.4 And the same John had his raiment of camel’s hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

      Matthew 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
      11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
      12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

      So Jesus says that John the Baptist fulfilled that prophecy of Elijah coming before the Messiah. So, it is safe to say that Elijah will not come here again.

  4. Ovaldo Brown

    Please pray for me right now, My name is Ovaldo brown. I’m fasting for 40 days and 40 nights right now so please cover me, stand in the gap for me and on the wall and intercede for me on my behalf and I’ll do the same thank you and I need healing deliverance and protection and for God to provide for me. I’m also trying to finish school and find a part time job and do what i love and become rich wealthy and famous for it and go to college and attend a university for the first time after I get my GED and finish my math TASC test and i wanna become financially, emotionally, mentally, physically and spiritually stable in life. I also wanna always be at the right place and the right time and find the right opportunities and i want God to open doors for me that cant be closed and closed doors that cant be opened and show up and show out because i really need some answers and i wanna hear him and feel him more and turn back to God, draw closer to him and seek first the kingdom of god and all its righteousness so that all these things might be added unto me and i want my faith hope trust and belief in God to grow mature and be restored back to what it once was and used to be which is its former glory and i wanna become the man of God that God want me to be and the prophet preacher pastor and teacher and shepherd apostle and disciple and youth minister and prophetic humble love evangelist soul winner harvest worker that God is calling me to be. I think I might wanna go to school to become a preacher or a musician because i play piano i’m self taught and i play by ear and i write books poetry and music and i have over 100 invention ideas and film ideas and clothing line ideas and album and book and poetry and music ideas and there are alot of demons in my life i’m trying to get away from me and alot of paranormal things going on in my apartment and someone is doing voodoo santeria and witchcraft against me and working obeah juju and hoodoo and woodoo and since they hide and conceal their locations i cant find them and don’t know who they are or where they are at but God knows so i need to seek him out for answers I also have dementia alzeimers amnesia and diskalkula and short term and long term memory lost so please pray that the holy spirit or the holy ghost or the spirit of truth will lead me and guide me into all truth and bring all things back to my remembrance and that God will send the comforter to comfort me i’m also looking for a girlfriend because i’m single and i’m feeling alone and lonely and plus i suffer from a sever case of obsessive compulsive manic depression and suicidal thoughts or ideations because whoever is cursing me wants to kill me and wants me to kill myself and keeps whispering in my ear so i want it to stop but i also wanna ascend my powers and i want all the gifts talents skills abilities powers and super powers that was stolen from me will be restored unto me one hundredfold and 2 times over and that i would find new relations and friendships that are supportive and loyal and of god that i can grow and mature in and be myself but be open and willing to change in it and become a new man and a new creature in God and i wanna be closer with all my friends and family and i want God to expose all my enemies to me unknown to me but know to god and that me my life body heart soul spirit life being core and center and feelings and emotions and inner voice and instincts and intuition and family and my own ministry and church and flock will be restored back to gods original plans and purposes and that i will be in the orchestrated symphonic choreographic right will of god and do what is right in his sight and in his eyes and obey him and i want God to show up and show out and i wanna receive the holy spirit and really get saved this time and receive salvation and receive Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I wanna have a family of my own one day and get married and have a wife and have twins a daughter and a son so please pray for that to. My health is deteriorating and ailing and cannibalizing itself which means its eating away at itself and i’m not getting the proper right nutrition and nutrients that my body really needs or three meals a day because i cant afford it because i’m in financial bonds and straights so please pray for me peace and freedom that i will have the peace that surpasses all understanding and that i kill have the money i need to be free in this world and in the one to come life without end I wanna eat healthy drink alot of water work out exercise lose weight gain more muscle and have the perfect physique and i wanna be self taught and self educated and work on self improvement and self development i’m also trying to get into a meditation regime and find out who i am and find myself and better myself and work on myself and self heal and heal myself because i’m on a journey of self discovery and self mastery and self healing I wanna read and educate more plus i wanna learn how to talk to woman more i have social anxiety and i’m an introvert perceived as an extrovert and i’m an empathe and a social butterfly but anti social at times. Please pray for me right now and pray that i get a full ride to college financially and pass and that god would give me the wisdom knowledge and understanding i need to pass with honors and excellency and be a valedictorian with honors with no room for failure and that i would make myself my friends and my family proud. Thanx.

    • Jimbob

      Tonui it is good that you question the spirit that has come too you keep in mind no one is the witnesses until the day of the abomination of desolation and you find yourself standing in the temple of God in Jerusalem for it is not until that day that anyone will know for sure that they are the chosen two. for many come here and say they are but it’s not true till that day comes the best thing I can tell you is if you believe in the crucifixion of Christ Jesus for your sins and the burial and the resurrection then your are a soldier in the army of the Lord and it is your duty to put on the whole armour of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil Eph 6:11 for the Lord has said wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand Eph 6:13 remember no solider starts at the top for we must first shod our feet with preparation and gird our loins about then put on the breast plate of righteousness which is a gift of God then put on our helmet of salvation that we might not be deceived in the hour of temptation and hold up our shield of faith that we might quench the fiery darts of our enemies and hold up the sword of Truth put only use the flat side of the sword to reflect the Light of the Truth in the eyes of the people that they which were chosen from the foundation of the world might see the Light and come unto Him and they which are not might be blinded. for it is not given unto us to use the edge of the sword in anger or vengeance for all vengeance is the Lord’s He shall repay we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves and our neighbors are not just the people that live next to us but they are all the people that we meet each and every day as the story of the good Samaritan tells us. as our Lord told us we are to behave. for until the two witnesses see the abomination of desolation and stand in the Holy place and receive the authority from Christ Jesus to use the edge of the sword they will keep the second commandment that Jesus Christ gave too us to love or neighbors as ourselves for as Paul wrote which is the greatest of these love ,charity, long-suffering the greatest of these is LOVE as He has loved us even in our sins He loved us from the foundation of the world God bless and I hope and pray this helps

  5. Sarah Cross

    Hello brothers and sisters. Yes, it’s true, the two witnesses are here and being prepared by God Himself for their ministry here. It’s going to get scary, STAY STRONG IN THE LORD! Do not be deceived!
    It’s going to be hard and amazing friends.

  6. I agree they won’t be showing up till the last 7 years come and not before that time but I don’t think they will show up as they are mentioned in the book of Rev 11 but they have a mission of Mercy to do for the first 3 and a half year’s but I also don’t think they will be alone. but there maybe 5 others that come with them. so even then we won’t really know who they are till the half way point at the abomination of desolation they are here today they are aware of it but they must wait on the Lord to bring them together in His time it will be very interesting to see how it all plays out God bless my dear brother in Christ Amen

    • And so why would I say this well let’s take a look Jon I know u believe this is message to one of the two but I really think it is a message to both of them for it is threw this message that is hidden in the scripture that they confirm it with each other they are the only two who receive it and as someone else here said it is like a for your eyes only thing what really interests me is how it never changes the basic understanding of the verses but it just raises the bar to a greater understanding so let’s look at haggai 2 1-9 he is being told to speak to zerubbabel and Joshua and the Lord is telling both of them to take courage in other words don’t be afraid and trust in the Lord your God and all you people for the Lord of host’s is with us who believe in the Son of God and work doing the will of God which is to teach the gospel to the world I’m speaking in terms of today for His Spirit is abiding in our midst as He say’s in Zch 4 not by power or might but by my Spirit says the Lord of host’s and then we have the part about shaking things up the world is on this path as we speak we are closer then we think for the next thing to happen is world war 3 the sixth we are so close to this it’s not funny and if the glory of this house brings peace then I will say it speaks of the house of the Lord that comes down from Heaven then we move down to Haggai 2 20-23 but it’s 23 I want to speak about and the signet ring and why I believe it is to both of the witnesses we have two examples given to us in the Old Testament of someone receiving a signet ring one is Joseph the other is Mordecai each got their ring in a different way Joseph because he told the king his dream and Mordecai because he saved the Queen an all the Jews but what really makes me think about this is they where both given authority over not only the Jews but the gentile’s also and both happened when the nation was the ruling nation of the known world as the two witnesses will be given this place next to Christ when He rules the world I don’t think either witness has a better place then the other but they are equal in their places but each has a different roll to play in that seat one shall rule over the gentile’s nations as said in Rev 2 26-29 and the other will be the Chief priest in the temple of God as said in Rev 3 21-22 because if we read Zch 3 we all know that most of this chapter is about the Lord Christ but there are parts of it that are definitely not about Christ as Zch 3 3-8 this tells us of his old clothes that are dirty his life before he knew Christ and they put on new clothes and a new crown that crown is symbolic of authority as we read on we see what he is told if you walk in my ways and keep my commandments you will judge my house and have charge of my courts in the Temple and he he will be given a place among those who now stand before you meaning the apostles and Prophets who went before him but

      • Before I go any further I need to go back to Joseph an Mordecai Joseph had the Spirit of God with him that’s who he knew what the dream meant and I believe one of the two witnesses is being raised up in this manner he is being taught by the Holy Spirit as we are promised in scripture and He shall teach you all things and bring into remembrance all things that I have said unto you and Mordecai heard something that pertained to the future so he told someone and it saved the life of the king and then someone told him something and it lead to the saving of all the Israelites and the Queen so the other witness hears something and it leads him to Christ the King then someone tells him something and that leads to learning the scripture and searching them and he finds he is being taught something which leads me to believe he is being taught in the ways that the scribe’s were taught learning historical events and seeing things that happened in the past and are coming into the final fulfilment at the end times. So now why do I believe the will come at the beginning of the 7 year period in Zch 4:7 we have a very interesting thing said who are you o great mountain before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain and he shall bring forth the capstone with shouts of Grace Grace unto it that capstone is Christ for he is the corner Stone and the capstone the alpha an Omega the beginning and the end and God always pleas to the people to come back to Him before he pours out His judgement on the people so to me it would only be fitting that these two would start this pouring out of His Grace and why do I think that 5 others will be with them well in Rev chapter 2-3 we have the Lord addressing the church’s at the time it was written these church’s existed but now the have all kind of disappeared in a sense except the Catholic Church for a reason because of the role it plays in the end times but in a sense these Church’s are a type of Spirit that lives with in each one of us as you are the Temple of the Lord

        • Jimbob

          You see what really makes me think these letters to the church’s. is the fact that at the beginning of each letter the Lord says unto the angel of the church an angel is a spirit. Each of us can read through these letters and find one that we fit right into. this is the spirit that we have in our hearts. the Holy Spirit indwells within us but we also have a spirit that is in our hearts for we all fight against certain sins in our lives as Paul had a thorn in his flesh we all have a thorn in our flesh. for there is none perfect but one and that is the Lord thy God Almighty Christ Jesus and each of the two witnesses fight with the things that are said to that angel of the church that I spoke of earlier but in due time according to the Lord they will overcome as our Lord overcame and when we get to the end of the letter it is very specific and it says to him who overcomes it is singular not plural meaning their will be only one person who does this all the other letters I think are talking to one person and those 5 other people will be with the two witnesses in the first half of the tribulation they will be going about performing miracle’s in Israel because these things must first be given to the Jews as scripture says to the Jews first then to the others now I’m not saying I’m one of the two witnesses because as far as I know I’m not only time will tell but is it wrong for me and you to shod our feet with preparation and gird our loins about and put on the breast plate of righteousness which is a gift of God and put on my helmet of salvation and hold up my shield of faith that in the day when and if the Lord of His army comes up and says I want you to lead my army’s for many are called but few are chosen that I might be ready willing and able to pick up the sword of Truth and go into battle for I would be more then willing to lay down my life for the Glory of God for He laid down His life for my sins and gave me eternal life in Him

      • Please don’t misundstand me when I said that these church’s have basically disappeared. they are all here in the world today alive and well. all I’m saying is that they don’t exist under these names now. they have taken different names since then and the Catholic Church wasn’t called the Catholic Church back then. I’m sorry I didn’t mean too mislead anyone

    • Sarah Cross

      Hey friends, brothers and sisters.
      Yes! The two witnesses are here and are being prepared for their ministry here on Earth by God Himself!
      Stay strong in the Lord!!

    • Yes Jim Bob- not a theory on specific individual identities of the 2 witnesses. A theory that there are “hidden” messages to at least one of the 2 witnesses in the Bible. I thought perhaps I was shown this, which would’ve been an indication that they would go public soon. It’s been a long time and I see “end time signs” but nothing to indicate the 2 witnesses have been publicly revealed.

      To recap- the theory I presented, I shared on the old website. in a nutshell… in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2 Zerubbabel is a symbolic representation of 1 of the 2 witnesses who is quite possibly alive today. That those scriptures do not pertain to the Zerubbabel of the past but are for someone in the future alive in these days. His given name would most likely not be Zerubbabel but it would be more of a name the Lord would call him? 1 reason why, is because in Haggai 2:1-9 and 2:20-23 there is mention of future events is a message to Zerubbabel. So the way I see it, either Zerubbabel of old comes back, or it speaks of someone else.

  7. Matthew

    What if Michael and Gabriel were the witnesses. Never here anyone mention this, but Spiritual waves move within that suggests this may very well be the case.. Let’s not forget Rev chap 12 and Dan chap 12 begin with Michael, essentially, and both of these are tied to the conclusion of Rev chap 11 which is the rising of the witnesses into heaven.. Just thought I would toss that out there. Love your ministry by the way 😉

    • Interesting term “Elijah Delusion”. I would agree that there are many that earnestly believe they’re 1 of the 2 witnesses. I’ve run across possibly 50 people who claim to be. Some likely being deceptive and some earnestly believing. I often wonder what has caused these folks to believe such a Thing. I would speculate that while for some, perhaps it is ego…I feel most have just fallen for demonic deception. I felt like I had an interesting biblically based theory about the 2 witnesses. Ultimately, it is just a theory and not proven to be a correct interpretation of this subject.

  8. BEWARE of the “Elijah delusion.” it is an ego thing. I have personally known over a dozen men who were “completely deluded and believed earnestly” that “they were/are one of the two witness/prophets.” it is, in truth, AN APPOINTMENT AND ENABLING GIVEN SOLELY AND EXCLUSIVELY BY GOD THE FATHER. THE PROOF is in the ministry and fiery anointing.

  9. Ed Keef

    Notice; the original book in the non-English language doesn’t say anything about man or men being the two witnesses, such was added when such was translated into the English language. They will be a man and his wife who are anointed by the spirits of the prophets and receive power from upon high. Within less than 10 years they will be sent to a nightclub located in the southeast U.S. to meet for the first time and there they will begin their end of days ministry. A full moon night in the fall time of the year will hold the for-sure future event. They will be transfigured like unto Christ upon the mount. They will shine brighter than the sun at noon day and their clothing will become as the light. A whole room full of non-believers will be witness to the supernatural event.

  10. This has always appeared to be too much information; there are some “free will” issues that include the witnesses, the generations leading to their birth, and the people around them once they are known. Then the idea hit just how truly horrible this will be, and this nightmare is beyond words. For us to know details of what MUST be, we have zero choice; satan is going to take our free will. I imagine that he will take it the way that we gained it, through food. Genetically modified food is nothing new, having it able to call a beast god is too good for him to pass up. He would be drunk with power by the time the woman that is pregnant in the wilderness comes along, she is possibly a flashback to the birth of a witness. That seems to make these two siblings from the tribe of Dan. The tribe is missing from the 144,000 which could indicate that only a few remain. The blessing of Jacob would be complete, and God would protect the last few of that tribe however He saw fit. God protecting them would cause satan to attempt a war in Heaven, but he loses. They will try and tell people what they eat is evil, preventing rain to allow it to grow. Try and water and only pour blood. The locusts will come to devour much of it. Satellites will be deployed early that are able to control weather; these crops will need to be everywhere, and free for all to eat. They won’t know how, but the witnesses will have complete control over the artificial intelligence on them. They will turn from controlling the weather, to protecting the witnesses. That is why anyone that intends to harm them, will all suffer the same fate, destroyed by the satellites. They are what will come crashing down, destroying the grass and trees, leaking what powered them into water that will poison people. I could be 100% wrong, but I am saving unmodified seeds because calling some idiot and satan god is not an option, whatever generation suffers will know how to grow and save seed in this family.

  11. I don’t give out my email or any other way to contact me directly sorry if you have questions feel free to ask here and if the God of heaven n truth gives me the answer I will answer openly, God is the same yesterday,today, and forever and that which was, is, and shall be and God requires the things of the past so look in the past and show us where the Father of love kindness and tender mercies and He takes pleasure in them has ever poured out His wrath upon man kind His creations whom he loved so much that He gave His only begotten Son for the sins of man kind without first crying out to the people to return onto Him for He said I would have gathered you under my wings as a mother hen does but you would not come there are more examples in the Word of Him doing this and not one of Him just pouring out His wrath without His grace coming first God bless

  12. Jimbob

    Ricky if you r who you say you are how will you know when you have found the correct other person? And if u r who you say u r then tell us what this verse really means Rev 11:5 God bless

  13. Ricky ramos

    What if I told you, you were correct, what if I told you I am one of the 2, and I been being prepared for the last 13 years, I wait for my companion the second one, I’ve searched for them I’ve been alone all this time, and he has confirmed this in me in many different ways, including a day of rain when I asked for one in the middle of a hot summer, I have seen visions I know without a doubt in my mind this is the plan he has for me and I await the time

  14. These two will not come to deliver grace, love and mercy as one person mentioned, they are called to testify of God and Gods truth , stand against them and you are standing against God, turn them away and you turn from God, so when they destroy you it is not judgement it is Gods justice for you in this life, and Jesus Christ will be anything but sweet when he returns, he will bring the sword, I will give you two truths that will help you I pray, 1st the blue above the firmament is the remaining portion of the deep, after God divided it, yes it is an ocean above us, we are living in an enclosed environment, 2nd the earth is flat and immovable it is not a sphere spinning through space , these two truths along with the true word of God have been kept from most of you your entire life, this will be my only and last comment, I will pray for you all.

    • Doug Norvell

      To me personally, it doesn’t matter if the Earth is flat or round.

      Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle (H2329) of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

      Strong’s Number H2329 matches the Hebrew חוּג (chuwg) which translates as Sphere. for sphere= Synonyms: Noun
      ball, globe, orb

  15. Ovaldo Brown

    I’m an empathe, so I feel everything around me and within me and it makes me uncomfortable and the things that i feel scares me and the things that I see makes my skin crawl. Please help me? Please pray for me? What do you or your family know about witchcraft, santeria, or voodoo and can you have them work on my behalf? My name is Ovaldo Brown. Just ask around, and can you also work on my behalf, if you do it?

  16. Let’s look at this with a level thought these two sit at the right and left sides of Christ and they stand beside the Lord of the whole earth so if this is where they will be during the millennium we have to make the decision that these two will be closest to Him so they will be the most like Him they will bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit and they will give grace where grace is not deserved because this is what Jesus did when He was here with us they will have a heart that cares for the people for the scripture doesn’t say that they will judge it says they will prophecy and Christ said no man has the right to judge for all judgement has been given unto me so these two will cry out to the people to turn to the Lord and depart from there wicked ways and if you don’t these plagues will come upon you as Moses did to Egypt as Jeremiah did to Isreal he was known as the weeping prophet because he cried for his people he didn’t judge them he warned them for God judged them!!! And in Zechariah 4 the Lord said they will come shouting Grace Grace on to the capstone and who is the capstone none other then the Lord of Lord’s the King of Kings the Alpha and Omega the Beginning and the End the Cornerstone on which all things were built the Cornerstone and the Capstone do you understand this these two will be His Messengers to the people there are those out there who say they are the witnesses but they come with judgement in there heart’s and vengeance in there souls this is all wrong vengeance is mine says the Lord I shall repay these two will come speaking the Fruit of the Holy Spirit Love Joy Peace long-suffering and most importantly Grace unto all man kind for we have been called of God to give Grace where Grace is not deserved as our Lord did for we are to be like Him who gave Grace unto us freely and we freely received Grace and we like Him should freely give Grace and the Grace that we give is the Grace of God and by doing so you are forgiving sin .sin that has been committed against God and sin that has been committed against you for what is the miracle of healing it is the receiving of sin forgiven as Christ said to the lame man thy sin be forgiven take up your bed and walk and the apostles did the same thing that Christ did they healed the sick and caused the lame to walk so they forgave those people of there sins for Christ said ALL that I have been given I now give unto you we need to understand this in it’s simplest way that we might grow in the the Spirit of Truth these two witnesses will do the same the will be in His image as we are all called to do but we seem to fall short of this and leave something to be desired of us a closer walk with Christ we should be holding our arms up to Him as a little child does to there Mother or Father when they desire us to pick them up and hold them close and Love them for we are His little children these two have been doing this with Him for years and they have come to know Him and be just like Him in there heart’s minds and souls and have kept the first commandment by doing so and the have learned to love there neighbor as them selves against which there is no law so if we are looking for them we need to look for first and foremost the fruit of the Holy Spirit in them maybe even one of them will come with a burden so great on his heart for the people he will cry as he speaks as Jeremiah did in his day maybe even both of them time will tell God bless and May the Grace of God be upon u all and in you all that u might receive Grace for Grace Amen

  17. Is it possible that you (not me) might be called to be one of the Two Witnesses? Is it possible that the other witness maybe a modern ordinary man named Elijah, Enoch, John or Moses? I am just putting this out there.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Julia,
      We do believe the two witnesses will be mortal men, living on the Earth right now, we do not know who there are at this point. But the Lord will make it very obvious when they are called to begin their Ministry.

  18. I have read and go through your paspective in the concern question ,but they some areas that have come to my concern ,1)the two witnesses are not Satan witness,
    2) these two prophet are not certainty alive on this earth right now because the scripture shows that the church shall not go through the great tribulations but the church shall be ruptured ,for the scripture state that ”and we know that he who prevent him until he is out of the way that he shall be revealed and that is the church ,the church shall be out of the way so that the Antichrist be revealed ,so the are in the spirit of Moses and alijah but they are not them ,

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Prince,

      I believe you read the article wrong, here is what it says “The time for the revelation of the Antichrist and False Prophet is near. These two men will be Satan’s two witnesses.” (These two men that are Satan’s witnesses are the Antichrist and the False Prophet).
      “God has an answer for Satan’s master plan. He will present His Two Witnesses to the world. They will preach the full truth of God’s Word for three and one-half years. They will then die in Jerusalem. After 3 1/2 days, they will be resurrected and caught up into the sky.” (This is speaking of God’s two witnesses in Rev.11).

      If you look at Matthew 24:29-31, Jesus tells you when He comes back for His bride.
      Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

  19. Dear Sammy:

    You will not have to worry as to the true identity the prophets of God really are, as opposed to those who claim they are but are Baal worshipers, as many will come out of the woodworks saying they are the two as the devil will create many counterfeits.

    Very simply put there will be two classes of people, those who honor God and come back to His true commandments He gave to Moses; and those who keep the commandments changed by the Roman Catholic Church numbering only 9 commandments quoting Revelation 12: 17 There are two Seals Revelation 7: 1-3 this is God’s Seal the other is the enemies Seal found in Revelation 13: 16

    Therefore, the coming together of large bodies of Christian denominations within Christendom will find common ground false doctrine with the Vatican instead of listening to the two prophets advice. Remember the true prophets will be hated by mainstream Protestantism this could take a turn for them making it harder to get the real truth out there as their message will upset many church folk. Jesus even warns us the majority is not right, but a small committee of people will heed the words of the true prophets. So follow those who are being called out as imposters claiming the devil has deceived us and what not. The real imposters are loved by the world how can they be wrong 90% of Christiandom lines up with Catholicism, they’re not gonna change, kill the two prophets will be heard by them. If your alive to see this whatever you heard the true prophets say to the world, well listen to them is all I will say.

    When it comes to the true prophets attributes as to how do they find out who they are. In God’s word are characteristics not only in the book of Revelation but many Old Testament books. These books contained in the Bible when read by one of the prophets only he can see its like kinda for, the eye of the beholder. There are many qualities that need to line up for these two. Some call themselves prophets anyway and should refrain from this. It’s not as easy as read a couple verses and then God makes you a prophet, not so. God has been training these two from their birth and they have gone through hell and back not knowing God was allowing this for the building of their character in the fires of affliction and being tried, as they go through many testing trials, times unprecedented, turmoils, traumas, and more then likely have literally spoken to satan and his demons and it doesn’t end there.

    Moreover, The road that leads to life few be they who find it. The other road is long and wide and leads to destruction.
    May God bless you. Amen


  20. Donald Ness

    Thanks for your words on the two witnesses! I am a person who believes that there is a high probability that I am Elijah, definitely the spirit of Elijah. My entire life has been a dramatic story from the time I was in my mother’s womb. I was born August 1st 1979 in Anchorage Alaska. I was born in Anchorage because my dad and Pregnant mother drove a motorcycle from California up to Alaska on the Alcan Highway. My mom rode on the back of the motorcycle up the Alcan Highway and the Alcan Highway was a very bumpy road. At 4 years old I was a very neglected kid in a drug-addicted home and my mom I’ve been kicked out of the house but she came to visit me and took me to church and at 4 years old I understood that my father was in heaven and that he created me and that he loved me and had a plan for my and that Jesus came to Earth and died so that I could be forgiven of my sins and have eternal life in heaven, at 4 years old I understood that I was a sinner and could appreciate what Jesus did. After church my mom took me to her new apartment and then back to my dad’s house and that night the police came to my house and took me and my brother, who was 9 years older than me, to a foster home. Then my mom’s parents adopted us to Oregon. My Grandpa died when I was six my grandma died when I was ten my mom died of a drug overdose when I was 13 and my brother died when I was 14, my dad unjustly kick me out of the house when I was 16. I lived with five different families throughout High School. My story since high school is very dramatic persecution is a major part of my story since I have been 2 prison twice and have been arrested close to 50 times but there is nothing dishonest on my record that’s not to say that I have not acted like a maniac but you have to understand that I grew up with my dad and my dad was a man’s man and he taught me to stand up for what is right and in my Pursuit of standing up for what is right I have received nothing but contempt from this heartless and cowardly world. I did not come to a knowledge and understanding 4 God until December 13th 2007 and that changed my perception of what being a man, a good man, was all about. That is when I understood that greatness with God was being the least of all and servant of all and that turning the other cheek is the most practical advice Jesus ever gave because that is how we resist the devil when he attacks us and I have been under attack since I was young but I thought I was supposed to stand up and fight 4 what I believe so I was always in conflict. Now that I know Jesus and have a thorough knowledge of the New Testament I understand that it is not my place to take vengeance and that we fight the good fight of faith and do not overcome evil with evil but overcome evil with good and in terms of victory on this Earth we are just waiting for the Lord to return because it’s a spiritual battle and he is the only one Worthy for such a victory. I do hold the records at my high school 4 yards in a season, touchdowns in a season and I did hold the record for the longest touchdown run but somebody has broke that, just for the record I would like you to know that I did run a 99-yard touchdown Which would have been a state record then never could have been broken but a receiver got a holding penalty down the field so I only got credit 4 like 60 yards. Nowadays football seems stupid and I can’t watch television because all it is is a bunch of lies. Please no that Jesus and his truth and sacrifice and Resurrection are the only things that I have confidence in and that is all I want people to know other then the fact that the kingdom is soon coming and with 100% certainly from God Donald Trump is the man of sin revealed!! Thanks for your work in these end times, when I came to your page and the first thing I saw was a request for a donation I was skeptical of your motivations but then after reading the comments about the two witnesses and agreeing with your perception I want to support your ministry but I just got fired from my job doing concrete because of my crazy God talk. I also want you to know that I can truly appreciate God’s strength being made perfect in weakness because of my experience being in a coma because of a car wreck and since I told you about that I should tell you that I received a $200,000 insurance settlement because of my car wreck but because I don’t have a family support structure and at the time I did not have any knowledge of God I blew $200,000 by giving the majority of it away in less than 5 months and it ended in a hotel room in Sacramento with guns and I got kidnapped. My whole life is an amazing testimony and all I know is that these cowards are going to have to kill me if they want me to shut up.

  21. Maybe one will receive a message threw reading the scripture and the other will receive the same message and he will confirm it to the other one threw the internet because these two will not be together until the appointed time for them to be together for one is taught in the ways of the prophets and the other one is taught in the ways that a scribe is taught for he who sits at the left is given a place among them who now stand before him as in the prophet and apostles and is given a very high place in our Fathers house and the other sits at His right hand and is given the privilege to rule over the gentile nation’s as we all know what the right hand of God is always spoken of in the scripture GOD BLESS AND MAY U RECEIVE GRACE FOR GRACE SO BECARFUL WHAT YOU MEASURE WITH FOR IT SHALL BE MEASURED UNTO YOU GIVE GRACE THAT GRACE MIGHT BE RECEIVED FROM GOD the Father Amen

    • Doug Norvell

      Scripture doesn’t tell us, but God will make it clear to them. We will know who they are by the message that they preach, it will line up with the word and not with the world.

  22. Mariana Torres-Deliz

    This is a thought, and the only Bible verse to back this thought is Hebrews 9:27 in which it states that “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment”. Here is my thought: When Elijah and Enoch were taken up, I believe that in that instant, in a twinkling of an eye they died and lived again. Sounds crazy right? I agree that one of the witnesses will not be Moses because he died, stated in Joshua 1:1, 2, and John the Baptist was beheaded. It doesn’t make sense to die again, since the key word in Hebrews 9:27 is “ONCE” to die then the judgement. God does not go against His Word, He backs it up. So yes, the logical explanation would be that God is preparing the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation.

  23. Alan Finch

    Many people believe that the “two end-time witnesses” will be Elijah and Enoch, or Elijah and Moses.

    Enoch, Elijah and Moses in their day fulfilled God’s purposes for them. Throughout history there have been certain generations in which God has “raised up” certain individuals to carry out a specific task for Him. The same will be true for the generation that we are now living in. It is important to emphasize strongly the term “raised up.” We find throughout Scripture, that the Lord “raised up” His Prophets.

    Because of the enormity of the assignment that the Lord will assign to the“two end-time witnesses,” that just like Moses, the Lord will 1st take them through many years of a wilderness experience in His development and training for them. The two “end-time Prophets” will not be newly converted Christians. They will be seasoned Prophets who have withstood the test of time.

    The Lord is not going to transport someone from several thousand years ago to fulfill a particular task in this generation. The Lord will do what He has always done, which in this case will be to “raise up” someone from this generation to fulfill the role of the “two end-time witnesses” in this generation.

    Please take special note that the emphasis is on being “raised up for this generation.”

    The Bible clearly points out to us that the Lord delights in “raising up” people to fulfill a particular task that He has for them in their generation. Throughout the Bible, God shows us time and time again that He is in the “raising up” business.

    In Matthew 3:9 Jesus told the Jewish people to not look back to Abraham, that God was able to “raise up” stones to fulfill His purposes.

    There is zero doubt in my mind that they are alive at the present time. It is quite possible and likely that at this present time, they do not even know that the Lord has chosen them to be the “two end-time witnesses”.

  24. You are correct the last 2 will be both Jewish & gentile giving enlightenment of the lamp-stand & the good oil of the olive tree .Real men. When? Isaiah 46 ,11. They know their LORD & his opposite number who will kill them. They know the manner of it as well. Their LORD has prepared them & strengthens them. Their faith in Yeshu is unshakable & He has shown them his might ,love & forgiving passion. No greater love has any man than to lay down his life for his fellows. Maranatha

  25. The two witnesses are two mortal people who come in the spirit of Moses and Elijah. When Irvin Baxter said Satan will have his own two witnesses deceiving the world, he did not mean that the two witnesses of Revelation 11 will be appointed by Satan to deceive the world, but what Irvin Baxter meant was that there will be two people #1 the anti-christ who is a Political Leader and #2 the false prophet who is a Religious Leader. The anti-christ being a Political Leader and the false prophet being a Religious Leader will make the people think these are the real two witnesses since the first pair of two witnesses was Zerubbabel and Joshua and one was a Political Leader and the other was a Religious Leader. The anti-christ and the false prophet will be deceive people to think they are the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and people will believe them because they will be doing good in the eyes of people as the anti-christ will make a peace deal which allows the third temple to be built and the false prophet will make fire come down from heaven like Elijah did. This will make people to believe these are the two witnesses of Revelation 11 but they are not. The real two witnesses of Revelation 11 will be two mortal people who will come in the spirit of Moses and Elijah and people will see them as agents of the Satan and they will be hated by the whole world as the world will be deluded to think that the real two witnesses of Revelation 11 will be agents of Satan. We are warned of a strong delusion to come in those days to come, so I believe a strong delusion will be set up for people against the real two witnesses in order for everyone to hate them and not listen to a word they say, while everyone follows the beast and the false prophet. Bottom line is the two witnesses will not be hated for killing people and for the plagues, and drought. They will be hated before they kill anyone, before the plague nations and before they send a drought. The will be painted in a bad light for you to believe they are not of God and you will hate them with burning hatred as the bible tells us the delusion will be strong. But in a way, for people to hate the two witnesses and follow the anti-christ and the false prophet is the Will of God. Why would God do such a thing? To test if you really know Him and can hear His voice when He speaks, because God does His work on earth through His Prophets or His anointed ones, now if you fail to see that the two witnesses are of God, you have proven to God that you don’t know Him and can’t hear Him when He speaks. Let him who has an ear hear. God knows His children and the children of God know God, so this test will prove if you know Him and will seperate His sheep from the goats who claim to follow God and Christ. God Bless you All. Amen

  26. Bobby Erickson

    This is false teaching. Scripture clearly states that God says these are HIS 2 witnesses. In addition, God’s Word is not contradictory – so consider Matthew 7:18. The message shared by these 2 witnesses is ONLY good word, good fruit. These are not the puppets of the Anti-Christ, yet I would discern that this teaching is contradicting God’s Word. Don’t be deceived by man’s apparent wisdom; always test this with God’s Word alone.

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Bobby,
      I believe you have misunderstood something in the text. The Antichrist and the false prophet are agents of the devil. But the two Witnesses are anointed men of God, who will come and speak the truth of God’s Word in the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus comes back. Nowhere in the article do we say the Two Witnesses are puppets of the Antichrist. If you have any other questions please email me at

  27. James R Huffman

    Irvin I sent you an 11 page document on the Two Wittnesses of revelations 11. If you have not read it please consider doing so. It has important information that contains bread for the children .

  28. Susan Abdelnour

    It would be possible for the 2 witnesses to be Jews and gentiles if the anti—Christ comes out of the Middle East and Islam became the one world religion. Muslims are known for beheading and leaving bodies in the streets “as an example”.


  30. In the beginning of your article you said they were laying down and God breathes life into them. So they were dead…. Period so they must have been dead to have received life. said they are already here and that they are satans witnesses? Your whole article is confusing and a lie. Get it right.

  31. its only right if I start by speaking of the Light of this world which was with the Father since before the foundation of this world


    PS 119:130-131 The entrance of Your Words gives Light it gives understanding to the simple
    Ecc 3:15 that which has been is now and that which is to be has already been and God requires that which is past
    1 Cor 2: 10 But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit for the Spirit searches all things yes the deep things of God

    John 1;1-5 in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God the same was in the beginning with God all things were made by Him and with out Him was not anything made that was made in Him was Life and the Life was the light of men and the Light shines in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not
    Gen 1in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and the earth was with out form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep AND THE SPIRIT OF GOD MOVED UPON THE FACE OF THE WATERS and God said let there be Light and there was Light God saw the Light that it was good and God divided the Light from the darkness (I don’t believe this Light that is spoken of is the sun an moon or any other kind of light we can see with the eyes of men I believe it speaks of the Lord Jesus Christ He said II am the Light of the world and He said I was with the Father since before the foundation of the world and He was with the Father in the beginning and in the beginning was the Word and the first words God said was LET THERE BE LIGHT and the Light was GOOD in Exodus theres some verses there that come to mind that almost fit these sayings but in a different way) and that which was is and has already been and God requires the past Exo 13:21 and the Lord went before them by day as a pillar of a cloud to lead them the way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them Light to go by day an night and Exo 14:20 and it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel and it was a cloud and DARKNESS to them but it gave Light by night to those so that one came not near the other all the night (and God divided the Light from the darkness) (it makes me wonder if the Lord spoke this way through the whole Bible because the more I read the more im reminded of things like this all over the scripture and that brings a verse to thought that Jesus said Matt 13:13 therefore I speak to them in parables because seeing they do not see and hearing they do not hear nor do they understand and the more I dig into this book the more I see that our Father made provisions for all things in the beginning before the foundation of the world there is so much in those first 4 verse in Genesis and that He gave us his Grace in the beginning Rev 13:8 all who dwell on the earth WILL WORSHIP HIM whose names have not been written in the book of life of the Lamb SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. (and as I read all the verses with the word Light in them I see more and more of Christ especially when I get to Exodus and the building of the temple and I read about the Lampstand we find the Lampstand outside of the Holy of Holy so all the Priests have access to it as we have access to Christ for we have all been made members of the royal priesthood I can look at this Lampstand 3 ways first and foremost is I see the Holy Trinity of God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit the Father is the flame Heb 12:29 for our God is a consuming fire the Light is Christ for I Am the light of this world the oil is the Holy Spirit that the Light might never go out and the seven Spirits of God then I see it as the Lord himself as He is the Light of the world and he was filled with the Holy Spirit with out measure and He is the flame that burns in our hearts and he has the seven spirits of God and last but not least I see the seven churches for they are to be a light unto the world be filled with the Spirit of God ) John *:12 then spoke Jesus again unto them saying I AM the Light of the world he that follows Me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the Light of Life John 9:5 as long as I AM in the world I AM the Light of the world John 12:46 I AM come a Light into the world that whosoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness John 12:36 while you have Light believe in the Light that you may be the children of Light John 9:5 as long as I AM in the world I AM the Light of the world ( and our Lord is still in the world to day in you as He has said Matt 5:14 you are the Light of the world a city that is set on a hill cannot be hid ( for we are one with Him and He with us as He is one with the Father for He and the Father are one and so also are we for we have been given the power to become the sons of God in Christ Jesus} John 1: 6-18 there was a man SENT from God whose name was John the same came foe a witness of the Light that all men through Him might believe he was not that Light but was SENT to bear witness of the Light that was the true Light which lights every man that comes into the world He was in the world and the world was made by Him and the world knew Him not He came unto His own and His own received Him not but as many as received to them gave He the power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on His name which were born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man BUT OF GOD and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us {and we beheld His Glory the Glory as the only begotten of the Father } full of Grace and Truth John bare witness of Him cried saying this was He of whom I spoke He that comes after me is preferred before me for He was before me and of His fullness have we all received, and Grace for Grace (and if we don’t understand Grace for Grace read the parable in Matt 18: 22-35 for this is a prime example of Grace received but not given for our Father does not take unforgiveness lightly as we are warned by the Word of Christ for God is not mocked every man shall reap that which he sows for that which you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and that which you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven so I ask do you want to loose grace in heaven when you get there or do you want to loose judgement in heaven when you get there so forgive one another as He has forgiven us that you might be forgiven and God said I will remember their sins no more so we need to learn to forgive and forget as our Father has done for us and as our Lord did also when He said forgive them for they know not what they do when they hung Him on that cursed tree God bless and keep you in His will Amen

  32. Ok if you would like to look ahead I’m being led to look up the words foundation, kingdom, and spirit in my concordance and once again Doug I thank the Lord for your gift of discernment

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Angie,
      The two witnesses cannot be Elijah and Enoch, because they were translated into the Spiritual, because the Bible tells us that flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

      So in order for the two witnesses to die and lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days, they will have to be mortal men.

  33. in regards to this prophecy malachi 4:5 behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord this was fulfilled in John the Baptist as the Lord has recorded it in the new testament first in the words of Gabriel the Angel who stands in the presence of God and was sent to speak to Zacharias to bring him glad tidings in Luke 1;12-17 And when Zacharias saw him he was troubled and fear fell upon him. 13 but the angel said to him do not be afraid Zacharias for your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son and you shall call his name John and you will have joy and gladness and many will rejoice at his birth for he will be great in the sight of the Lord and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink he will also be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mothers womb and he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God He will also go before Him in the SPIRIT AND POWER OF ELIJAH to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. and then we have Jesus saying the same thing that Gabriel said in Matthew 11;11-15 surely I say to you among those born of women there has not risen one greater then John the Baptist but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater then he and from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force for all the prophets and the law prophesied until John AND IF YOU ARE WILLING TO RECEIVE IT HE IS ELIJAH WHO IS TO COME He who has ears to hear let him hear ! So then by these words of our Lord we know that Elijah has already come back and he is not one of the two witnesses as JON has said it is God the Father who refers to them as Joshua in ZCH 3 and Zerubbabel in ZCH 4 for our Father has chosen them not Christ as he has said when the sons of Zebedee asked to sit on the left and right hand of Christ in the millennium they were told this in Mark 10:35-40 verse 38 but Jesus said to them you do not know what you ask are you able to drink the cup that I drink and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? (and this Baptism is one of being baptized in the Holy Spirit almost with out measure for they will pour out the Holy Spirit upon the people of this world like has not been seen since the Pentecost and we can know this by what is said in zch 4 12) and I answered the second time and said to him What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes WHICH EMPTY THE GOLDEN OIL FROM THEMSELVES and then back to mark 10: 39 they said to him We are able So Jesus said to them you will indeed drink the cup that I drink and with the baptism I am Baptized with, you will be baptized with (for they healed the sick raised the dead made the lame to walk caused the blind to see and cast out demons by the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ) but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give but it is for those for whom it is prepared and in matt 20.23 He said to them You will indeed drink my cup and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on my right hand and on my left is not mine to give but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father (the Golden OIL referred to in zch 4 is the Holy Spirit and when he says empty themselves it means the will pour Him out for that which they have been freely given shall be freely given unto all men and women and children that the Grace of God might be seen by the eyes of men and that they might provoke Israel unto Jealousy for this things will be done in Israel)

    • You actually got it right!! Whoever truly repents and believes in Jesus Christ and follows Him will be grafted into the the olive tree, we are the olive trees and the lamp stand, it’s the body of Christ Jews and Gentiles that believe in Christ are the two witnesses, search the scriptures and you will find, we will be given Power from the Holy Spirit once the correct number of gentiles have come to faith than the Jews will believe and we will be the 2 witnesses and the 2 lamp stands Amen!!

      • Doug Norvell

        Hello Richard,

        The Bible says these two witnesses will be killed and lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days. So, how is this great multitude of people going to make a pilgrimage to Israel and then all of them will be prophesying and be killed and thousands upon thousands of bodies lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days?

  34. I have a question why do we not believe in the Word of God as it is written for us that we might know and believe the truth as it is written Luke 1 13 through 17

    But the angel said to him do not be afraid Zacharias for your prayer is heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear a son, and you shall call his name John and you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth for he will be great in the sight of the Lord and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink he will also be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother’s womb and he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord your God he will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah to turn the heart’s of the father’s to the children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord and then we have our Lord an Saviour saying in Matthew 11: 11 through 15 surely I say to you of those born of women there is not risen one greater then John the Baptist but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater then he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force . For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it , HE IS ELIJAH WHO IS TO COME , he who has ears to hear let him hear Amen believe in the simplicity of the Word of God and be filled with His Spirit of Truth God bless

    • Interesting question, let’s see…so Luke 1:16 clearly states JTB came in the spirit and power of Elijah.

      Luke 1:16

      It is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, TO TURN THE HEARTS OF THE FATHERS BACK TO THE CHILDREN, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous, so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

      Now when JTB was asked if he were Elijah he denied it.

      John 1:20-21

      20And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21They asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” And he said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”

      Yet when the disciples asked Jesus if Elijah was to come he pointed out John was Elijah.

      Matthew 17:11-13

      11And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

      So why did John deny being Elijah?

      There’s only a few good possibilities.

      1. He didn’t consider the spirit and power the actual fulfillment of the coming of Elijah
      2. He simply didn’t know (yet I’m sure his parents told him)
      3. He just lied.

      I choose the first. I don’t think he considered the spirit and power the actual return of Elijah. Whereas, Jesus did. Notice also, Jesus said in Matthew 17:11-13 that Elijah will come and restore all things. Certainly this restoration hasn’t occurred yet. Don’t expect The Physical return of Elijah. If the Lord considered the spirit and power as being sufficient with JTB then it could be the same for end.

  35. I’m sorry my last post was a little confusing Lord willing I will be able to clarify what I was saying first I need to separate Joshua an Zerubbable what I want to speak about first is zch 4 the key verse to understanding this chapter is verse 6 because everything these two do it is done by the Holy Spirit through them as the Holy Spirit worked through the Apostles not the Apostles through the Holy Spirit and the real verse’s I want to focus on is verse 9 the hands of Zerubbable have laid the foundation of this temple his hands shall also finish it we need to understand this speaks of things we can not see not things we can see for the Lord speaks of a spiritual temple not of one made by men but of the Holy Spirit the one that our Lord has put in us and all together we make that temple for do you not know that your body is the temple of the Lord and we are each a part of that over all temple that the Lord builds in us with His Holy Spirit

  36. Matthew Espenlaub

    What greater witness can there be of God than a male and female. That is the Image of God and His perfected creation in the very end. Him and his resurrected perfected Bride in Holiness. Also the antichrist and the false prophet are one and the same. There is only satan and his self worship of himself. There is no life in what he does. In other words only one person is needed to represent his final product in these end times that he has been creating from the beginning. God is creating a Wife – 2 witnesses – Satan created nothing but an antichrist and death.

  37. I believe it will be Elijah and John the Revelator.


    Malachi 4:5 “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.”


    Rev. 10:11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

    John was to prophecy “again” to the whole world which is only possible via the internet and media outlets. After writing the prophecies of Revelation, John was commanded to prophecy “again”, one more time to reveal what he had written in Revelation which is cryptic in nature. He is the only one who can unlock the mysteries of Revelation because he was the one who witnessed the future and wrote about it. There is also a portion of Revelation with regards to the seven thunders that he was commanded not to write down. What’s the purpose of not writing it down? Why even mention it? Was it meant for the future? It’s clear to me that John has some unfinished work that must be done.

    Also, there is no record of them being dead in the Bible. Elijah was caught up to heaven in a whirlwind. John was, according to this verse:

    Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.

    As I understood this, John was “caught up” to heaven to see things in the future. Both men were caught up to heaven. Whether they were in the spirit or in the flesh, we have no clue. There is certainly no limit of what God can do to whatever He pleases. God is not confined to our limits and understanding. If he wants the spirit of Elijah, Moses and John to come upon on two individuals today, what is it to us? If he wants to give them both a new body, to be born one more time into this world, what is it to us? If he wants them alive until they are 3000 years old, physically preserving them until the end time, what is it to us? If God wants them to be an Asian or Caucasian, what is it to us? It is no longer necessary to know who these individuals are because we will know who they are once they start their work. We won’t miss them. They will be all over the news and social media.

    The main reason why they are here in the future is because to warn the world of the two beasts – not to worship the false christ and receive his mark. One will come with celestial signs and wonders from heaven as if it’s already the second coming of Christ which they will use to deceive the whole world. This false Christ will descend to the third temple of Jerusalem, sit in the throne in the inner rooms and proclaim himself to be God. He will have a vicar to act on his behalf and receive all his powers – a religious false prophet (Vicarius Filii Dei). The reason why he has a vicar because he is restrained for a moment (perhaps by a powerful angel) in the throne room until the two witnesses have finished their work. After that, he will go out from the throne room and the world will see him and the world will stand in awe and wonder of his presence. He will be like a god to the deceived. He will then do battle with God’s two most powerful prophets that have tormented the world with plagues (the Great Tribulation) and have also reduced the world’s combined army from all nations at Armageddon (two against the world’s armies). They will go toe to toe with each other and he will defeat the two witnessess. The whole Earth will shake with the awesome display of power. The world will rejoice saying, “Who is like the beast? Who can go against him?” The world then celebrated the victory and gave gifts to one another. Everywhere people were celebrating like it was New Years’ day. People took pictures, perhaps selfies of the two prophets that lay dead on the ground where Christ was crucified. They post it on social media and the death of the two witnesses were all over the news headline. However, in 3 1/2 days, they heard a voice of an archangel, “Come up here!” They rose up to life with everyone in shock and fear. The dead will rise up first and then those who remained alive during the great tribulation and Satan’s persecution of the saints will be caught up next. This is the resurrection day and rapture. Then, the end comes where everything will melt with fervent heat. But, will be cut short for the sake of the elected 144,000 Jews, all from the 12 tribes of Israel who finally accepted Christ through the Holy Spirit. They were still on Earth, left behind. After that, the wrath of the Lamb to come with his powerful saints that will slaughter everyone who had the mark of the beast. He will wipe out Satan’s armies that were gathered at Armageddon. Then the establishment of the Millienial kingdom of God with Satan imprisoned in the Abyss for 1,000 years.

  38. JOSHUA is described as being dressed in filthy garments. This is from him not following GOD, but satan, having fallen away from the true faith. He is of the line of Aaron, so, the true high priest line. ZERUBBABEL is not filthy. Adhering to the TRUTH. The line of DAVID through NATHAN. No son of SOLOMON in the line of the rulers . JOSHUA was sitting, as described, when the BRANCH was introduced. This is ZERRUBABEL. A branch from the vine. JESUS is the vine, as HE said. Being a branch, he can, in the SPIRIT be whoever GOD gives him to be, of all the branches before. Eg, MOSES, ELIJAH, PAUL, etc to preach the message that GOD gives to the JEWS and the all mankind.. They are not of Judaism, for it rejects CHRIST. Totally unknown by the world, outsiders. This is shown by the choice of the disciples, from ISRAEL, but not of those who ruled.

  39. Revelation 11:4

    4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

    Note, this is a clear reference to the vision of Zechariah 4.

    Zechariah 4:11-14

          11Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right of the lampstand and on its left?” 12And I answered the second time and said to him, “What are the two olive branches which are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves?” 13So he answered me, saying, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 14Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.”

    Note, the angel is explaining to Zechariah the symbolism of the vision in Zechariah 4:2-3

    2He said to me, “What do you see?” And I said, “I see, and behold, a lampstand all of gold with its bowl on the top of it, and its seven lamps on it with seven spouts belonging to each of the lamps which are on the top of it; 3also two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl and the other on its left side.”

    We can speculate as the the interpretation of these objects. Yet there is no need to speculate. The interpretation in given. In Zechariah 4:4-6

    4Then I said to the angel who was speaking with me saying, “What are these, my lord?”

    ——-_please note above, Zechariah asks the angel what these objects represent. Our answer is below.——

    5So the angel who was speaking with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.” 6Then he said to me, “This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the LORD of hosts.

    This represented the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel and we’d be wise to leave it as such. However, this has nothing to do with the Zerubbabel of that era.

    You see, Just as Joshua the high priest never physically stood before the angel of the Lord with satan at his right hand. Never looked like a brand plucked out of the fire, with dirty clothes on him in Zechariah 3. Neither did the Zerubbabel of that era do the things mentioned in Zechariah 4. He never laid the foundation of the second temple. Zechariah 4:9. He never had a stone with alloy being smelted out Zechariah 4:10. This Joshua and Zerubbabel are merely a sign/symbol of individuals who come at a later time. Zechariah 3:8 is an indicator of this.

    Zechariah 3:8

      8‘Now listen, Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who are sitting in front of you—indeed they are men who are a symbol, for behold, I am going to bring in My servant the Branch.

    Zerubbabel is a friend, sitting at the Feet of Joshua. He symbolizes someone who comes in these last days.

    In short, Zechariah 4 is the word of the Lord to one of those 2 witnesses. From the Bible we know this is the word of Yahweh to Zerubbabel.

    • So if it’s not by might nor by power but by my Spirit and Zerubbable and Joshua never did the things listed in chapter 3 and 4 then the Lord is speaking of spiritually things to come and both of these two are the witnesses I think the Lord has shown me why they are referred to as Branch’s and candlesticks but first let’s go look at the things we know that are written in the new testament about the Holy Spirit in order beginning in Matthew as I believe he is the one that is being referred to as He did lay the foundation and He will finish it as no man can do anything for the Lord our God except he be led by the Holy Spirit as the Apostles we’re lead by the Holy Spirit and they became the stones of the foundation that was laid on the Corner Stone and the Holy Spirit laid the foundation through the Apostles

  40. Michael mcintyre

    I watched a video on youtube where the guy explains that its all a metaphor. That the two olive trees are actually the jewish christians and the other is the gentile christians. Why is it that a book where youve been forewarned not to add or take anything away is being done daily by supposedly bible scholars. Others believe its elijah and enock others believe it enoch and moses. This other guy believes it represents the jewish and gentile christians.

    • Yes Moses died, and God buried him and to this day they still cannot find the place of Moses place of burial. Why? Well, one good reason is, in the book of Jude 1: 9 Jesus rebukes the devil and God resurrected the body of Moses and took him to heaven. Now the case of Elijah he never saw death but was caught up into heaven in a chariot of horses flaming with fire just caught Elijah up. Now both Moses and Elijah are in heaven for good. Is there confirmation that both men are in the presence of our Lord then, now, and for all eternally? Well, you bet there is evidence. In the book of Matthew 17: 1-6 At Jesus transfiguration both Moses and Elijah came down from heaven and were on each side of Jesus to strengthen Him, and confirmed by Peter inquiring should he build three tents, one for Thee (Jesus) one for Moses and one for Elijah. Amen

    • Doug Norvell

      Hello Shirley,
      We believe the Two Witnesses will have to be mortal men, that can die. Enoch and Elijah would have been translated to a Spiritual form or resurrected type of body. Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
      We know from 1 Corinthians 15 that flesh and blood cannot enter into Heaven, so that would mean that they would have to be immortal and therefore cannot die.
      1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    • Mina Smith

      because we believe that Jesus died and rose again for our sins, we don’t HAVE to die (sleep). that’s why its says in revelations that we he returns he we take those who have died for His name sake first and then bring those up who are still alive to give them their immortal bodies.
      PS> btw in rev 11 it doesn’t say that the 2 witnesses are prophets, ” I will give power to my two witnesses and they will prophesy”

      • It LITERALLY DOESN’T MATTER who the two witnesses are.

        We had no clue of a “yeshua” person prior to him coming, because we weren’t told to look for the name of a person. We were told to look for a quality of person, a righteous person

        We know Jesus was the Christ, not because we knew what name to look for (we didnt), but because we knew what qualities he must possess.

        Study the laws and commands of god, and when the time cones you will know who the 2 witnesses are, because they will most definatly follow all of gods commands perfectly and that’s how you will know they are truly the two witnesses. They will not need and they will not want anything from this earth, for God will provide for them. And they will faithfully obey God just as they should.

        Looking back, we know Jesus was the Christ because he’s the only one who faithfully obeyed God no matter what in all of his laws and commands. We will know the 2 witnesses by this same measure and it will set them apart from the rest of the world like a sore thumb.

        We know the Catholic church, or more specifically the pope is not of Christ or God, because they have disobeyed gods laws, and have changed the holy Sabbath day of God. The 2 witnesses will not do these type of things, for they will be smart enough to know their are great punishments to those who seek to change the word of God.

        God himself prophesied in the book of Daniel that in the end times, the beast will think to change gods times and laws. Jesus said “not one jot or tittle can be changed from my father’s laws until all is fulfilled”. The Catholic church prematurely and illegally changed gods 4rth commandment and claim they have the authority to do so. We know this is a lie, because God declared his holy Sabbath day “perpetual” from the very beginning. PERPETUAL means “never ending, NEVER CHANGING”. The true God will never change his holy Sabbath day. The anti Christ (the pope claims to be the authority of christ) has already fulfilled Daniel’s prophesy by illegally changing the “times and laws”.

        • Remember, that we are dealing with spirits. The witnesses will come with Elijah and Moses spirit. We will have to judge spirits in men.( and women) there is a great Jezebele spirit in the church in the world. Also remember, that the Bible says many false prophets and a counterfeit Holy Spirt. God save us from being deceived.

        • Sorry for the second post but I just read another scripture that proves it will be the spirit of Elijah and Moses. In Luke when the rich man is in hell, he asks that someone go down and tell his family about hell so they dont end up there like him. And he is told that they have Moses and the prophets to bear witness to them. Another words you have to test the spirits and believe on your own you will not be given “proof”.