April 1, 2010
When is the Rapture?

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  1. Those In Darkness will be surprised. How can you say we will know the day and the hour, by ready the Scriptures, you are mis- leading people. Jesus clearly says no one will no the time of his return, only that there will be signs, but to say we could know the Day and Hour is a lie, you do not have to contact me, and twist the Word of God around for you have shown yourself to be not of God.

  2. According to this article it sounds to me like you have changed your opinion on when the rapture will take place. You use to say mid-tribulation, this article sounds like post-tribulation. So what do you really believe?

  3. it will be agreat moment when Jesus christ comes for his church witout any spot or wrinkle.so lets wait upon our Dear Lord Jesus christ with all joy as we continue reading the Holy Bible and keeping ourselves in prayer.Glory be to God.

  4. Where in the world are these pre tribulationists getting there false theology from? It definitely isn’t from the true Word of God (KJB)! They are getting their theology from mans websites, their own theology, and worst of all from false teachers, and from bibles (NIV,RSVB,NLT,NKJ, etc…) that change the meaning of verses, leaves out verses, adds to and takes out words. Let me ask, if you will, who is the morning star? According to the NIV, Lucifer is. (NIV) Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to earth, you who once laid low the nations. (KJB) Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Jesus Christ is the morning star: (KJB) Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. NIV users, can you memorize these 17 verses in the NIV: Matthew 17:21, 18:11, 23:14, Luke 17:36, 23:17, John 5:4, Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:7, 28:29, Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28, Romans 16:24, (1John 5:7 partially omitted). Pretty easy, huh? That’s because they have been omitted! NKJ: Who or what is Sheol or Hades? HELL is HELL with fire and brimstone.
    Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    Now concerning the false doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture, In all these comments, there is not one scripture mentioned here that states that Jesus is coming secretly to gather his people, planes, cars etc… crashing. Millions of people missing. The Lord has come and you’ve been left behind. Where in Gods word does it teach this false hope? My bible says my God is coming in like manner the same way He left!
    Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
    Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
    Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
    Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    Revelation 4:1, John is caught up to the 3rd heaven, not the church. John is not the representation of the church, if you read, Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Peter is the representation of the church, not John.
    Where in the Word does God say that he will remove His church and/or His Holy Spirit before/when the tribulation begins??!! This theory is contradictory to His word, Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. In Gods word He tells us three times that His words will not pass away. His word is spirit and is spiritually discerned, so, if you take the Spirit away, you take His word away. Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33, and Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. So, how can anyone be saved during Great Tribulation if His Spirit or His church is taken out of the way??!!
    2thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. In this verse, it is the mystery of iniquity(sin). God is allowing Satan to have his wrath, until, God destroys Satan. It has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit or the church.
    What the Word of God says:
    Confirmation of the covenant, beginning of sorrows,
    Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
    No mention of a secret rapture yet. Jesus says, these things must happen, but the end is not yet. We will be martyred or saved till the end.
    Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
    Matthew 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    Also, Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
    Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    Great Tribulation,
    Great Tribulation and Gods wrath are two separate events!
    Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
    The woman here in this verse is the church, saints, Gods people, will be feed for 3 1/2 years (1,290 days),(42 months)(time, times, and a half).
    Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
    Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
    God is allowing Satan to go to and fro, heaven and back to earth, he’s the accuser of the brethren right?
    Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    Satan is kicked out of heaven for good in the midst of the week (7 year period).
    Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
    Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
    Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    2thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
    Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
    Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
    Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
    2thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    2thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    2thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    The coming of our LORD, Jesus Christ, Day of Christ,
    Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    Luke 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
    Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
    2thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    2thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    2thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    Still no rapture, caught up, gathered together.
    Straight from Gods word, there has to be a falling away first, and the antichrist revealed, before Jesus comes back!
    1thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    1corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    1thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    1thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    1corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    WHICH PART OF LAST DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND!!!!!!THE LAST TRUMP!!!! NOT THE 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, nor the 6th, but the LAST (7th trumpet), (7th seal), (7th vial).
    Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
    Re 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    Re 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    Revelation 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    Marriage supper of the Lamb,
    Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
    Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
    Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    The pit
    Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    Gog and Magog Great White Throne Judgment
    Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
    Do not be deceived by these false teachers and false comments of a pre tribulation gathering. It is not biblical, it is a false hope, not taught by God. Pre tribbers, question for ya. What are you going to tell all these babes in Christ, or any one you told this false doctrine to, when you see the abomination sets himself up and claims himself god, and we are still here???
    Many people believe in a pre tribulation gathering,
    Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    The real soldiers of God are few,
    Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    Study the King James Bible and let the Holy Ghost give you understanding. Put all doctrines and false teachings aside. The only doctrine you need is from the Holy Ghost. Don’t study false bibles, they will deceive you.
    Ecclesiastes 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
    Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
    Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

    • The KJV is not the “official” or the “only accurate” Bible. There are translation issues in it as well. If this is not the case, then why was it revised four times, the last being in 1769? What Bible would you have recommended before 1611 since there was no Bible?

      • Mike: The Bible was assembled in the latter part of the 4th century by the Catholic Church. Pope Damasus I with doctors and fathers of the church determined which of all the manuscripts were actually the inspired word of God and together they assembled the “Canon of the Bible.” Damasus then commissioned St. Jerome to translate the manuscripts into Latin, hence the Bible. The 1st Bible was called “The Vulgate.” The reason it was translated into Latin is because the “Seat of Peter” was then in Rome and that was the spoken language. After the invention of the Gutenburg printing press, the Bible was able to be circulated. After the “Reformation,” Luther, had the Bible reprinted in German. Luther was German and lived in Germany. In doing so, he omitted 9 books. 7 in the OT and 2 in the NT. You know what the Bible says about adding and subtracting from the Word of God. Eventually the 2 NT books, James and Revelation, were reinserted because elders and people complained about them being taken out. Luther’s Bible and the Catholic Bible were exactly the same in teaching except for the missing books in Luther’s Bible. Eventually, King James had the Bible reprinted, still omitting the 7 books that Luther had omitted. Therefore, the KJ Bible. However, the Catholic Bible, still, to this day, has all the books that originally were in the Bible from the 4th century. Soo, the Catholic Bible and the King James Bible are identical except for the missing books in the KJV. Protestants who are not familiar with the Catholic Faith, think that the Catholic Bible is a “false Bible” which couldn’t be further from the truth. I’d match any verse in the KJV to the Catholic Bible. Food for thought…How can a “false religion” give this world the inerrant, inspired Word of God? AND, how can the Catholic Church produce the awesome Word of God and totally contradict Bible teachings? She doesn’t!!! Truth be known, there is NOTHING in Bible teachings that is contrary to Catholic teachings, and there is NOTHING in Catholic teaching that is contrary to the Bible. Blessings…

  5. It’s a pretribulation rapture. The Father will remove His church and the Holy Spirit and then the tribulation will begin. Once the Holy Spirit is removed, God’s hand will no longer be holding evil in check. Sufferings and torments unlike the world has ever seen but His children will not be subjected to it at all.

    • MIKE: I answered your comment and it was actually posted by the site. I hope you read it and you have not made anymore comments since. Did you read the passages that I shared with you? Hope you understand the truth now as you apparently didn’t have it before. wr

    • MIKE: Don’t hold your breath. Your belief is not scriptural. It’s just not Biblical and therefore will not happen. The wrath of Satan are the seal and trumpet judgments then JESUS comes to remove the church right then, (see Rev. 11:15-19). That is the passage that will tell you when He comes. Then “after” JESUS comes GOD will pour out the last 7 judgments on the earth. The church will not be here for those as the church is not appointed to the wrath of GOD.
      Did you not read, “let them grow together and in the end the angels will sort them out”. The saved and the unsaved all live together until the 7th trumpet, and then He comes to open the graves and call up the saints of all time that were sleeping. The bible also tells us they were asleep, not in heaven yet or even in hell. Please re-read your Bible. Somewhere along the way you have been very misled. Irvin Baxter preaches the same thing that I am telling you, there is no pre-trib rapture.

  6. So will we go through three and a half years of tribulation. I have friends that are asking about this. From what I understand we will . Answer please. With chapter and verses.

    • GLENDA: Yes, please read Revelation chapter 11 and verses 15-19. Right there JESUS takes possession of this evil world from Satan. This is the rapture of the saints. Yes Glenda we will go through it. It won’t be pleasant but the scriptures don’t tell us anything different and the truth is the truth. Irvin Baxter preaches the same truth. Our spiritual health is our most important health and it is what will get us to the Kingdom of GOD. Did we believe? Did we “obey”? We must confess all known sins, we must then repent to JESUS of them, and then we must immediately forsake them. We must then live for the coming Kingdom of GOD and try to please the LORD at every chance. We can testify, we can witness, we are to live for Him and not for our own selfish selves. Bless you.

    • It’s a pre-tribulation Rapture. Matthew 24:4-14. These verses describe the signs of the end and verse 14 concludes with ” And this gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all nations, AND THEN THE END WILL COME.” That end is for the current Church. Verses 15-31 is describing the Tribulation. When it refers to the “elect”, Jesus is speaking about Israel. During the tribulation, many Jews and gentiles who did not accept Christ before, will during that horrible time. Matthew 24: 29-31 is not referring to the Rapture, but the glorious appearing of the Lord.

    • Yes, the church will go through the tribulation. Matthew 24:29-31 is a very clear passage stating this.

  7. I thank u for your emails n imputs on the rapture n the returm of christ. The c huh urchs in my town doesnt talk about the things we should be preparing for rather prosperity. The lord gives all but as scripture says the goodmen were not ready. Please keep me ny family in prayer n we will continue to pray for a pave road for your ministry

  8. The pre-tribulation rapture was taught in the church but wasn’t as popular as it is today. It was made more popular with Darby along with his idea of “Dispensational Theology” in the mid-1800′s. Early church writers, including Hippolytus and Irenaeus, who were discipled under John (the author of Revelation) were taught and believed that the 2 witnesses would appear (being Elijah and Enoch) to warn the church not to take the mark or bow to the beast, but most wouldn’t listen anyway. I thank God for this site, and others like it! However, it saddens me to see so much arguing over this idea of pre, mid, or post tribulation rapture. To be honest, we will know by the signs and the seasons, but we do not know the exact time or hour. Instead of arguing about the subject, why don’t we FOCUS on reaching out to the lost, and letting “counterfeit” Christians know it’s time to get right with God. That is the season we are in, and what is most important. I’m ready to become beheaded if required, to me it doesn’t really matter if rapture is before or after the tribulation. One last thought – for those that think that once you die you immediately go to heaven or hell, the Bible doesn’t teach that theory at all. You die and you are dead until Christ resurrects you, either during the “rapture” or, if you are not a Christian, for judgement. God bless brothers and sisters!!

    • I haven’t read everything here, but I have a question. If the rapture is at the very end of the tribulation, then that seems to mean that all believers will be changed, in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, and put on (the new body, fit for eternity). And if everyone who is not a believer will not have a part in the millennium, then who will be the physical inhabitants during the millennium? Who will have families, and live long lives, but die physically?

    • to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord….sorry I truly believe you are mistaken. The last breath we take here on earth, the next breath will be in the presence of our Lord.

      • Tom & Larry: That is not what Paul said. Read 2 Cor. 5:8 again. “We are confident, yes, well pleased “RATHER” to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.” Paul is saying I would RATHER be absent from the body and present with the Lord. That’s like me saying I would RATHER be in Hawaii than in California. I believe a lot of people are taking this verse out of context and reading it the way THEY WOULD LIKE it to mean. In 2 Peter 1:20, Peter warns us about “private interpretations.” Blessings…

        • JOANN: Thank you. I’ve known that for years but it’s certainly not mainstream. Most Christians can say that in their sleep, to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. Yes, Paul was using the word “rather”. He would rather be out of his earthly tend and be in the tent not made with human hands but in the house of the LORD. The spirit leaves the body and goes to GOD at death. Remember, JESUS did say, “FATHER into they hands I commit my “spirit”. He did not commit a soul. A soul is actually a person, a human, and a being. Remember also when GOD created Adam he became a living “soul”, which mean in Hebrew that he was a person. I would rather be absent from this body and be with the LORD, but it didn’t mean at death. It would happen for Paul at the resurrection of the dead who were (by the way) sleeping. Paul and all the rest are sleeping as JESUS told us and they will not know anything until the 7th trumpet when they come up out of those graves and meet the LORD in the air. Yes, people have made that verse out to be something that it is not. Saying what they want to hear. Thank you again for telling the “truth” as it’s the truth that will set us free and GOD in heaven knows many of us are deceived. What we’ve been told and what is in scripture are usually two different things. WK

  9. How can the antichrist deceive anyone with a great lie, if the church is still here? The presence of the Holy Spirit would be a hindrance. I believe that is why God sends the two witnesses. They come at the start of the tribulation to raise up the 144,000 Jewish witnesses. If antichrist is revealed when he signs the treaty with Israel, and that treaty signals the beginning of the tribulation, we the church, would already have to be gone. If not, then the great lie would not work on those millions, possibly billions, of us who are true believers. When we are caught up in the twinkling of an eye, raptured, Jesus meets us in the clouds. He does not set foot on land. We are gathered up and will return with Him when He will conquer the antichrist and his minions, simply by opening His mouth. This is the Second Coming. He will set foot on the Mount of Olives and the Millennial reign begins!! Jesus is coming soon!! Be ready! Look up, lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near!

    • The 2 witnesses do not appear until after the anti-christ is revealed and, if you think about it, isn’t the “spirit of the anti-christ” already deceiving some, even with the Church still here? Blessings…

    • I agree with your posting. This is what I have been taught and I believe it is in the Bible. The story of Jesus and his bride is best illustrated within the Marriage Betrothal, a young man and his father would make a contract with his chosen bride and her father. The two would become bethrothed which really is all but being married. Once the contract was made, the young man would go to make a place for her, which usually was a new room added onto the grooms fathers house and as soon as that place was prepared according to how his father
      had commanded his son to build it and only after his father approves it then tells his son to go and get his bride…the ceremony would be conducted and then the husband would “snatch” away his bride to the bridal chamber to consummate the marriage thus fulfilling the contract. I said this because Jesus is waiting for God the father to tell him to go and get his bride, the true body of believers and snatch them away to the marriage supper of the lamb. We will be snatched away in the twinkling of an eye. Jesus himself stated that if someone says here is Christ or there is Christ to not believe them because his 2nd coming will be like lightning shining from the east to the west. In other words, his second coming is going to be such an event that everyone will know it has occured. That is not a snatching away of the bride..so it must occur before the 2nd coming. Plus, as children of God, we are not appointed to wrath, that is not to say that one could not be killed by disease or by perilous tragedy, etc. etc. it means that as true believers our sins have been judged at the cross of Christ.

  10. Pre-Tribulation Rapture Proof

    The rapture of the faithful in contrast to the Revelation of Jesus at His coming

    Christ comes for His own 1Th 4:13-18 ——————–Christ returns with His own Rev 19:14
    Believers taken to Father’s House Joh 14:3 —————-Believers come with Jesus to Earth Mat 24:30
    He is seen only by believers 1Co 15:52 ——————–Every eye will see Him Mat 24:30
    Earth not judged ———————————————–Earth judged Rev 20:4-5
    A Mystery – 1 Co 15:51 ————————————–Foretold in OT Zech 12:10
    Christians taken first 1Th 4:13-18 3 Mat 13:28-30 ——-Wicked are taken first Mat 25:1-13; Rev 3:8-10; Rev 4:1,
    He comes to present the Church to Himself 2 Co 11:2 —He comes with His Church for judgement and to set up his Kingdom Rev 19:6-9, Zec 14:3-4; Jud 1:14-15; Rev 19:11-21
    Casts Satan out of heaven to earth Rev 12 ——————Binds Satan for a thousand years Rev 20
    Occurs in the twinkling of an eye 1Co 15:52—————Comes to earth to do battle at specific locations Isa 63:1-3, Rev 16:16, Zec 12:9-10
    Jesus descends with a shout. 1Th 4:16 8 ——————–No shout mentioned Rev 19:11-21

    Sixteen scriptural proofs that the rapture is pre-tribulation *

    Proof #1: Revelation 19:11-21 doesn’t mention a resurrection.
    The rapture is a resurrection of those “in Christ” (1 Thess. 4:13-18). Isn’t it a little bit odd that in Rev. 19:11-21, which is the clearest picture of the second coming of Christ, there is no mention of a resurrection? The rapture will be the biggest event since the resurrection of Jesus where hundreds of millions of Christians will be resurrected and translated, yet there isn’t any mention here. Don’t you think it deserves at least one verse? The rapture isn’t mentioned because it doesn’t happen at the second coming.

    Proof #2: Zechariah 14:1-15 doesn’t mention a resurrection.
    This is an Old Testament picture of Jesus returning to earth at the second coming. Again, no mention of a resurrection.

    Proof #3: Two different pictures are painted.
    In the Old Testament, there were two different pictures painted of the Messiah—one suffering (Isa. 53:2-10, Ps. 22:6-8, 11-18) and one reigning as King (Ps. 2:6-12, Zech. 14:9,16). As we look back on these scriptures, we see they predicted two separate comings of the Messiah—the 1st coming as a suffering Messiah and the 2nd coming (still future) as a reigning King.

    In the New Testament, we have another picture added. Again, we have two pictures painted which don’t look the same. These two different descriptions of Jesus’ coming point to two separate events we call “the rapture” and “the second coming.”

    Proof #4: The Known Day and the Unknown Day.
    Concerning the return of Jesus, the Bible presents a day we can’t know and a day we can know. Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 says the Jews will have to wait 1,260 days for the Lord to return. The 1,260 days begins when the Antichrist stands in the Temple and declares himself to be God (Matt. 24:15-21, 2 Thess. 2:4) This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven year Tribulation (Dan 9:27). The Antichrist has authority to rule for 42 months, which is 1,260 days (Rev. 13:4) and will be destroyed by Jesus at His second coming (Rev. 19:20, 2 Thess. 2:8). The known and unknown days must happen at different times, meaning they are two separate events.

    Proof #5: A door open in heaven (Revelation 4:1).
    The door in heaven is opened to let John into heaven. We believe John’s call into heaven is prophetic of the Church being caught up at the rapture (see proof #6). In Revelation 19:11, heaven is opened again, this time to let the armies which are already in heaven out. This is the Church, which has been raptured at a previous time, following Jesus out of heaven at the second coming.

    Proof #6: “Come up here.” (Revelation 4:1).
    A voice called for the apostle John to “Come up here,” and immediately he was in heaven. This could be a prophetic reference to the rapture of the Church. The words “Come up here” are spoken to the two witnesses who are killed in the middle of the Tribulation, who are resurrected and ascend into heaven (Rev. 11:12). Therefore, the phrase “Come up here” could mean the Church is raptured in Rev. 4:1. The word “Church” is mentioned 22 times in Rev. 1-3, but is not mentioned again until Rev. 22:17.

    **Proof #7: The 24 elders have their crowns.
    After John is called up into heaven, he sees the 24 elders with their crowns (Rev. 4:4-10). We know that Christians will receive their rewards (crowns) at the rapture (2 Tim. 4:8, 1 Pet. 5:4). We will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous (Luke 14:14). The elders couldn’t receive their crowns unless the resurrection (rapture) has taken place.

    Proof #8 Holy ones are already with Jesus in heaven (Zech. 14:5, Rev. 19:14).
    The armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, follow Jesus out of heaven at His second coming (Rev. 19:14, Zech. 14:5, Col. 3:4). These are not angels because Rev. 19:8 tells us the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. In order to come out of heaven we first have to go in, indicating a previous rapture.

    Proof #9: Kept from the hour of testing (Rev. 3:10).
    Revelation 3:10 says we will be kept out of the hour of testing which will come upon the whole earth (the Tribulation). Some have wrongly believed “keep” means to keep through, or protect through the Tribulation. Suppose you approach a high voltage area with a sign that says, “Keep Out.” Does that mean you can enter and be protected? No, it means you are forbidden from entering the area. But this verse also says He will keep us from the hour of testing. It is not just the testing, but the time period. If a student is excused from a test, he still may have to sit in the class while others take the test. But if he is excused from the hour of testing, he can go home. The Church will be called home before the hour of testing.

    Proof #10: Angels don’t resurrect people when they gather them for judgment.
    When the angels are sent forth to gather the elect at the second coming (Matt. 24:29-31), some have wrongly interpreted this as the rapture. There is one huge problem with this interpretation. If we are resurrected at this time, why would we need angels to gather us? In the resurrection, we will be like the angels (Matt. 22:30), able to travel in the air at will. Obviously, these people who are gathered are not resurrected, therefore it can’t be the rapture. No one would claim the wicked are raptured at this time, yet Matthew 13:39-41, 49 says the angels will not only gather the elect, but also the wicked. This gathering is not a resurrection.

    Proof #11: Both wicked and righteous both can’t be taken first.
    First Thessalonians 4:13-17 says the righteous are taken and the wicked are left behind. Matthew 13:30, 49 says the wicked are taken first and righteous are left behind. This points to two separate events, the rapture and the second coming.

    Proof #12: Jesus returns from the wedding.
    When Jesus returns to earth at the second coming, He will return from a wedding (Luke 12:36). At the rapture, Jesus is married to His bride, the Church. After the wedding, He will return to earth.

    Proof #13: Jesus will receive us to Himself, not us to receive Him (John 14:2-3).
    Jesus said He would prepare a place for the Church in heaven, then He would come again to receive us to Himself. Why would Jesus prepare a place for us in heaven and then not take us there? At the rapture, He will come to receive us to Himself, “that where I am (heaven), there you may be also.” If the rapture occurred at the same time as the second coming, we would go up to the clouds and then immediately come back to earth. That would contradict John 14:2-3.

    Proof #14: The one who restrains is taken out of the way.
    In 2 Thess. 2:6-7, Paul says “the one who restrains will be taken out of the way” before the Antichrist can be revealed. We believe this refers to the rapture because the Church is clearly the biggest obstacle to the Antichrist becoming a world ruler.

    Proof #15: The separation of the sheep and goats (Matt. 25:31-46).
    If the rapture occurred at the second coming, why would the sheep and the goats need to be separated immediately after the second coming? A rapture at the second coming would have already separated the sheep and the goats. With a Pre-Tribulation rapture, the people saved after the rapture will need to be separated after the second coming.

    Proof #16: Who will populate the Millennium?
    If the rapture occurs at the second coming and the wicked are cast into hell at that time, who will be left to populate the millennium? Only people in their natural (non-resurrected) bodies will be able to have children (Matt. 22:30). With a Pre-Tribulation rapture, the people saved after the rapture who are alive at the second coming will populate the earth during the Millennium.

    • Great response! And may I add this: Read Hebrews 12:25-29; Revelation 12:7-12; Revelation 6:12-17. God is about to utter His voice to shake not only the earth, but also the heaven; in order to remove (translate, transpose) that which can be removed. That which rightfully belongs to Him (the gathering of His saints) will be translated from earth to heaven. And the Devil and his fallen angels will be cast down to earth from heaven. We may very well be between the opening of the fifth and sixth seal. Be ready for that upward call of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. He is the rightful Owner and the righteous Ruler of my life. He is my Life and First Love. Oh, and quite possibly our Lord Jesus already fulfilled the first half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week Prophecy. There may only be a definite 3.5-year period remaining to close out this present age. Yes, our God is about to utter His voice. There! That is His SHOUT!

      • STUDENT OF GOD’S WORD: Please don’t forget that the great falling away “MUST” happen first and the man of sin/perdition (the antichrist) “MUST” come first “BEFORE” JESUS returns for those saints. It’s not happening after, but before. When people learn that the Antichrist is on the scene, they will lose trust, faith, and abandon their churches and that will be the great “falling away”. They will feel abandoned, deceived, lied too. All along they thought they were not going to be here to see this Antichrist person or know about or be required to accept his mark in order to buy or sell and then they are faced with it. Then, keep in mind that JESUS doesn’t come until the 7th trumpet. Nobody’s going anywhere until all these things take place. GOD has a plan, His plan will be carried out regardless. Scripture doesn’t tell us a lie. JESUS said, “let them grow together and at harvest time they will sorted out, the sheep from the goats”. There is no escape route. We should as you said be ready for that upward call but there is a sequence of events that “MUST” happen first.

    • Thank you, “Me” for this wonderful comparison of pre-trib rapture vs 2nd Coming rapture. I am going to save this and share it with people who are worried and who feel that somehow we should not escape persecution. Christians have been subject to persecution throughout the ages, but end times are a completely different subject. As we see prophecy being fulfilled, we as Christians should be excited about our escape and therefore have greater motivation to share the good news. Thanks again for taking the time to share this with us.

      • Hi. Thanks for your reply. I got this info from a different website, but the author of this site deleted the link. The Bible never said we wouldn’t face persecution, even in the end times. It is happening to Christians all over the world as we speak. Those of us who are raptured however, will not have to face the persecution of the tribulation. The Bible is not clear about how bad things will get before Jesus comes to take us away “in the twinkling of an eye”. There is nothing that says we shouldn’t prepare for bad things to come. We just have to keep the faith and stay strong in the mean time. I anticipate that anything could happen right now. The Bible says, ‘The glory of the Lord will be your rear guard.’ We should all be as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves! The Bible says to ‘test the spirits’. Do not be deceived! I look up, I lift up my head, and I wait for the sound of that GLORIOUS trumpet! God bless you and keep you!

  11. Why do people continue listening to this guy? Baxter has messed up eschatology and has no idea how the bible should be interpreted. STOP FALLING FOR THIS FALSE TEACHER

  12. We are not called unto wrath, and when that bowl of wrath is poured out by the Lord, we won’t be here cause it will literally be hell on earth. But it seems that we will have to go through some very hard times nonetheless. Lord Jesus be with us.

    • Scoopie: Nice to find some intelligence on this post. The church is not appointed to wrath (that is the wrath of GOD), how true. It will be hell on earth as well when that happens. They are the last 7 judgments that will fall on the earth. The hard times you are referring to are the seal and trumpet judgments and there happen to be 14 of them. Everyone (saved and unsaved will be here for those first 2 sets of judgments. Then the LORD will come in the clouds with his angels and the graves of all the people everywhere will open. The saved will “rise up” to meet the LORD in the air and the rest (saved) that made it through the tribulation will meet them in the air. After all of those are with the LORD (then) the bowl/vial judgments will come on the earth for all who remain after the rapture(the catching away) of the dead saints and the earthly saints. That is the Bible. Many people don’t believe what you or I say but many are also deceived. JESUS said in Matt. 24 to his disciples, “do not be deceived”. They could know the truth but they don’t seem to want the truth, just what their itching ears want to hear, a feel good gospel that says, “tell me I’m going to be okay”, “tell me I’ll be out of here and won’t have to worry about anything”, and “please tell me pastor that I won’t have to suffer under that awful Antichrist person”. Please wake up, there is no escape route. Just as you said, some very hard times are ahead. Isn’t it best to be prepared, physically, mentally and spiritually before it’s too late?

  13. And the woman who gives birth to a male child? Born with a hidden crown? Yes and a special name! A new creation god made to judge Satan, an angel of god. The promised one is here. The dead see her! The book of life revelation 20:15 is gods new child. To balance past and bring hope to the future. To the bride!

  14. I disagree with this statement, the dead in Christ rise firstss

    Whatever you believe about the timing of the rapture, or whether you even believe in Bible prophecy, if you were to die right now, you would be immediately removed from the earth to stand before your Creator for judgment. I disagree with it because “the dead in Christ rise first” before we are caught up with Him in the air. As well as the numerous books and verses saying we rest till the judgement books are opened. So I don’t believe that we get judged at our death. My main verse is Rev 20:9-14. It speaks of the dead being judged After they have been resurrected after the 1000 years isolation of satin here on earth.

  15. I do believe the rapture issue is not a salvation issue unless it becomes one through ignorence and God forbid someone takes
    the mark thinking we won’t be here when it’s forced upon everyone. And since most of modern day christians have settled
    for man made Christianity and fallen away from what the apostles taught it’s almost a moot point. Returning to the Gospel and obeying it is far more important for this generation . I Cor. 15-1-4
    Try examining certified church history told by famous and credable historians for the very real story of the one and only true church of the Lamb for it’s roots are deep and glorious. Oneness Penticosalism est. AD-33 never died. Never needed a great reformation for if it did the words ………”the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church ” would be incorrect. http://www.fulfilledprophecy.net/files/apostolichistory_1_.pdf

    • To David Price – Outside of what Irvin Baxter has to say – the link you posted is the most important and informative of any I have seen in about the last year that I have been on here.
      If I may suggest – please also post that link in the other categories and especialy in “Mystery Babylon-Who is it”, where more Catholics are likely to see it.
      Thank you for your post !

  16. Bro Irvin, can you please clear something up for me? When we die we go to Paradise or Abraham’s bosom. What does it mean “the dead will rise first” if we are in Paradise we are not dead any longer. God Bless.

    • PATRICK: JESUS used parables, allegories, and illustrations to explain himself to the people in those days. Also please realize that the Kingdom of GOD is a spiritual Kingdom, it is NOT a physical kingdom of flesh and blood. When we die we go the our grave and JESUS told us that we sleep. The spirit within us leaves and goes to GOD but the soul (body) sleeps until He comes for us again. Each spirit will join the soul when JESUS comes. Please see these scriptures to explain what I am trying to convey to you…
      Daniel 12:2
      John 5:28-29
      John 11:11-14
      Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,and10.
      We’re actually in the grave as you can see, and according to scripture, we sleep. No, it’s not what we’ve been told in the churches, but it’s the truth. The dead are not aware of anything. They are not playing harps or walking the streets of gold. The New Jerusalem is coming (future) down from Heaven and then perhaps streets of gold but until then we wait in the grave for JESUS to come for us. We will go with him “IF” our name was written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. If it’s not there because we were not saved and we did not obey, then we will not go to be with Him. We will be completely separated from GOD “forever” which is our “eternity”. We don’t want that do we. That’s the worse thing that could ever happen to a person (soul).

    • The term “dead” is used to relate the message properly. Physically those people would have died although they remain alive spiritually.

  17. Does anyone have a scripture addressing the question of, if not all family memebers get raptured, will the raptured family members know some of their family got left behind? It says no tears or sadness in heaven so I was curious.

  18. If I have learned anything over many years,it is that in the Christian faith,there are numerous aspects that are in disagreement,and this is one of the reasons we have denominations for one thing.Some say if not King James Version,than you’re wrong.Some say once saved,always saved,as others say,no you can lose salvation through sin,and then there are those that say basically you can quit and become an apostate.Then there is tongues,method of Baptism,physical positions for prayer.Proper dress,mixed bathing,and on and on it goes.Even the proper way to actually be saved.I was raised in the Lutheran church and never heard of an altar call till I came south,I just attended classes and then was confirmed at which time I then could take communion.Upon coming south I eventually left the Lutheran church and joined an independent “Bible” church and began to learn all the dos and don’ts.That church blasted the Southern Baptists on a regular basis.That church now bears the title Baptist.I attended a Methodist college and served as a pastor for several years.In order to be licensed I had to explain the doctrine of apostasy as they believed it.I left the denomination,attended a Baptist church and finally ended up at a “Christian” church.(Denomination)I was forced to leave that church on the week after I joined because I said I believed in eternal security which they don’t,but talk about the left foot of fellowship,I got it.After two fine men in the Sunday School class telling me to “:go back where you came from,” I left actually in tears,went home and threw my membership certificate in the fire place.Four days later the pastor called and explained about the men’s tempers.I simply said I had no hard feelings but would not be back.So in conclusion,I don’t attend church and I ask God for forgiveness.I don’t fear God in the Biblical sense of awe as people say,but I am afraid because I know of His possible wrath.I fear Hell,and something being done to me every day of my little pets.My parents both had died before I turned 14,my mom at 91/2,dad at 13 so psychologically I may have problems about a father relationship.My father was good to me so it doesn’t stem from that.I share that because I don’t recall either ever attending church,so I have to accept that they both have been in Hell since 1949 and 1953,and I wonder sometimes when enough punishment is enough?God bless you all.

    • GLENN: Lost both of my parents and have a similar circumstances as you, but let me tell you this. You say that you have to accept that both of your parents have been in hell since 49 and 53. Well first of all you’re not 100% sure that your parents didn’t ask for forgiveness and GOD excepted them. Secondly, they are not in hell. They are both dead. When we die our spirit leaves the body and go to be with GOD. JESUS said, “FATHER, into thy hands I commit my “spirit”. At death for us its the same, our spirit returns to the FATHER. Dead people don’t know anything, pls. read these scriptures and it may help you to know that they have not yet been judged. They would not be in Heaven or Hell yet. Judgment won’t be until JESUS comes…That will be at the 7th trumpet call, see Rev. 11:15-19. Now see the following to confirm that the dead are not in hell or heaven.

      Psalms 146:4…spirit left the body(soul), and went to heaven, the body(soul) returned to the earth.
      Job 14:12-14,21
      Psalms 104:29
      Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10
      Daniel 12:2
      John 5: 28-29
      John 11:11-14
      1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
      Psalms 115:13-17
      Ecclesiastes 12:7

      Is there a “spirit” within man?
      Job 32:8 go to the grave and sleep, not aware of anything…
      1 Corinthians 2:11…a spirit within us. Not a soul, but a spirit. Man is a soul.
      Psalms 17:15…talks about waking up (they were not in Heaven or hell, they were asleep).
      Matthew 27:52..graves were opened, bodies of the saints were asleep(dead).
      Mark 5:35-39…JESUS told them, she’s not dead, but sleeping.
      John 5:25-29…In the graves, not heaven or hell.

      Has anyone seen GOD? You would think that if anyone had died and gone to heaven they would have…John 1:18.
      John 6:46…Only JESUS has seen the FATHER GOD.
      One other one that I just located…Acts 7:59…Stephen asked the LORD to receive his spirit. and then it says he fell asleep(died).
      All scripture here from the KJV of the Holy Bible.

      Comments are welcome from readers. But, the truth is the truth, and only it will set you free.

    • Glenn. I am so very sorry for your loss. I will be praying for you. The Bible is clear about one thing. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: No man comes unto the Father but by me.” Jesus is your answer. “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, then you will be saved.” That’s all that matters. Christ died for you. Will you confess that Jesus is Lord and admit to Him that you are a sinner and believe in your heart that He was raised from the dead? If you do, you will be saved! God loves you so much that He sent His only Son to die on a cross for your sins! The worst punishment. Isn’t that amazing? All we have to do is accept the free gift that He has offered! What could be better than to know that you will live forever, because you believed? We are human. God is not! He is perfect! He loves us unconditionally! He paid the price so we wouldn’t have to go to hell. We can live with Him forever! WOW! I can’t think of a greater love than that! Can you?

    • Hi Glenn, I too have been disappointed in denominational churches ( Australia). I have this comfort. I know Jesus loves me. Really. I say this to you, ” Jesus came preaching the kingdom of heaven. This is how I explain it. The bible is the Word. If you live according to scripture,as you believe in sincerity, then you live in Christ, the Word. And God lives in you also as you are the temple of God. He then Keeps you and Bless you. For as long as you desire this. If you ask Him to go, He will go. But if He is Keeping you then it is impossible for you to fail for as long as you wish to live in His kingdom. Don’t change kingdoms. The commands, Love and worship God, love your neighbour. Keep it simple. Be sincere, trust. Trusting in God is living in the fulfilled Sabbath. He will grow you according to His plan. Just always give thanks. Nothing can happen except what His love for you requires. And He does love you and He wants you to be eternally saved. He created you. You have been loaned a body to use to fulfill His work. Do this, lovingly and fearfully, respectfully. love in Jesus ed

    • Hello Glenn Dupuis. I just hope you don’t let the trials on this earth, that we all go through some, don’t let it cause you to turn from god. because that is the whole reason for the trials. satan is trying to pull you away form God and your salvation. Call on our Lord and HE will deliver you.

    • Check out “The Final Word” on YouTube and you will find answers to your concerns. Pure Word for these last days no filler.
      God Bless

    • Glenn.. Many have had a rough start in life, But its not the start that matters.. its how it ends.. God is not finished with you. if you take one step towards God .. He will take two towards you.. Find a United Penecostal Church and go to it .. Just 1 time and God will meet you there.. You still have a family ..its called “The family of God” You can be “Born-Again” And walk in newness of life…. Trust and have faith.. Do this one thing….Just do it… Hes waiting for you…..

      • To Sharon – VERY well said. I’d like to add that anyone can call EndTime at the number listed on the Home Page, they can tell them where they live, and EndTime will give them a Church, or Churches near them, where they can get immersed in water and Baptised in JESUS NAME, and also get Baptised with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.
        Thank you for your post Sharon and have a very Blessed week !

    • Please glenn don’t give up on God because of what of other s believe but trust God to give the meaning of His Word and when He does stick to it.Jesus still loves you and hasn ‘t given up on you

      • All I can say is Man is flawed and God is perfect. We seek God, usually through the Bible, but also from within. Only God has all the right answers. I too have been rejected by churches, I have learned to stay away from certain subjects when around other christians, unless they are very close to me. The relationship is with God and with Jesus, I know that they will always be there, always be perfect, and always love me no matter what I do, say, or think.

  19. I came onto this site & the first issue that I went to was your stand on the rapture. I must say that I was very pleased with not only your ‘balanced’ stand but also on your scriptural backing on the subject. Shalom

  20. Mr Baxter. A site such as this tends to bring forth arguments and that does not serve God and Jesus. One’s own studying of the scripture and prayer to Him for the understanding, is to me the right course of action. You may be a preacher but after perusing the replies on the site and the many diverse “ideas” and arguements it brings confusion upon those that rely on someone else to explain what they do not yet understand. Sometime it takes reading as much as 20 (or more) times for it to be revealed to you. I place my faith in God to give me the understanding. God’s word is sufficient for me–not the words of others who preach their views as gospel, or “the only possible explanation”, for His Holy Word. My prayers are with you in a deeper and truly understanding of scripture.

    • People are people, and the thinking of each and every one of us is as different as our fingerprints…the majority of those that believe in the rapture, all tend to lean the same way…there will be those that don’t agree, and that is the name of the game…Mr. Baxter, in my belief has come closest to what I believe is the truth, and the ‘confusion’ of those that listen to him is no different than those that listen and interpret what a school lecture is about. We hear what we hear, and understand how we hear it…the bottom line is simple: do you have FAITH in something you can not see or touch or feel? do you believe that what Christ said is true? do you have the faith that Christ WILL come? or that we will get raptured? regardless of how, when, where, or why? People are allowed to have their opinions, and as long as these opinions are FOR CHRIST…and not against him, then so be it…let them speak! I myself don’t really CARE when or where…I care that it WILL take place and I WANT to be with the bunch that goes up to meet Jesus…or if not, then I WANT to be here when Jesus steps foot on this earth! I don’t care where He does it…just that he will do it! and I want to be the one to see Him, be with Him, and enjoy His holy and righteous rule…So, relax, and just take it as it comes…believe and understand what you read and interpret…JUST AS LONG AS IT IS A POSITIVE thinking, and a FAITHFUL one.

  21. my analysis of Matthew 24:29-31 concerning the gathering of the four winds is that it is take the left behind save persons out of the world for a moment so that Jesus Christ and his army can destroy the ungodly and renovate the world for the Millennial Kingdom.

  22. Reasoning for Pre-Tribulation Rapture

    The Rapture cannot be after the Great Tribulation and I will explain why and point out things. First with the basics, from the story of Lot and Noah, we see that God does not destroy the righteous along with the just. Jesus said in Matthew that it would be as in the days of Noah: The Rapture has the same context. In Daniel 9:27, the AntiChrist is makes a covenant with Israel for one week. One week according to the Bible is 7 years. The Rapture begins at the signing of the Peace Treaty with the AntiChrist. The signing is a point in time, which we do not know and is different from knowing the actual date and time. After the 7 years, Christ returns with his saints to establish his kingdom.

    If Post Tribulation Rapture theory were true, then there would be no point in warning people to get ready for the Rapture, but instead the Second Coming of Christ.

    Rapture (Christ is in the Air)–>Great Tribulation for Left Behind–>Second Coming (Christ returns to the Earth)

    A Misconception concerning the Last Trumpet in 1 Cor 15:52 and Seventh Trumpet in Revelations.

    The last trumpet that Paul is talking about has a different meaning, which is not the same as the seventh trumpet John refers to in Revelations
    The seventh trumpet is referring to the Second Coming because the world became part of the Kingdom of God.

    Post Tribulation Rapture Theory somewhat makes the Second Coming and Rapture part of the same event when the Bible clearly points out that the two are separate events.

    Post Tribulation Theory underhandedly tells Christians that they have no option, but to go through the Great Tribulation. This theory is a lie; It causes people to not believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture and as a result, they are left behind by disbelief.

    Find the Scriptures..

    • My opinion.
      The rapture is after tribulation and after the 1000 years. The purpose of the rapture is to “hold” people in a place while the heavens and earth are burnt and new ones come down. Otherwise what happens to us then. From my knowledge of God, He will use the tribulation to build peoples faith. He will “keep” us through this most dangerous period of 1260 days and people will go “WOW” now I believe. I can’t see God wasting such a brilliant opportunity to grow our faith. Once any one dies then their opportunity to move closer to Jesus finishes. The historical timeline is not relevant. We should all be ready, every minute, every day. Love in Jesus


    • If the rapture is post tribulation, then we would know wouldn’t we? There wouldn’t be a need to watch until the it started and then 7 years. I believe to always be aware it could happen any moment and live clean lives in anticipation of hearing Him call us. I get up every morning and say every night , maybe today Lord , maybe today.

    • Forgive me, when I wrote seventh trumpet, I actually meant the Seventh Angel blowing his trumpet from Rev. 11:15

  23. The “rapture” is a departure from anything written in the bible, and, in fact, is a notion constructed in the early 20th century. Nowhere in the Bible does the word “rapture” appear, nor does any verse describing or even alluding to anything like an event that will spare Christians from the great tribulation. If you teach that which is not in the Bible, you become “radicalized” just as sure as any other false prophet.

  24. I do believe we are living in the time of the soon coming of Jesus Christ. Wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, disease, famine, men being lovers of themselves and all the other predictions mentioned in the Bible are staring us in the face today. We as born again children of GOD must stay prayed-up, stay strong in the word of GOD and continue to witness to those who have not accepted Christ into their lives

  25. My understanding on the time of rapture is similar to the above. Could the first 3 1/2 years be the Devil’s tribulation and the last 3 1/2 years the wrath of God, at which time we will be taken up before it happens? Or is the whole 7 years considered the wrath of God. I can picture challenging times even Anti Christ persecution for a few years whereby the Lord is pruning His children to become purged from selfishness and sin and formed into His Image. He said when He comes for the church it WILL BE without spot or wrinkle. Presently the church is severely spoiled! (speaking for the American church). Your comments concerning the early church not expected to know the day or hour and not the present day one is a good point. Thanks in advance for your comment to my suggestion.
    Arlene Puff

  26. Let’s just be ready!! Witness, fast, read The Word, and pray like your life depends on it…… because it does!!!

  27. I have read through more comments here. I am quite upset some of you talk to each other terribly. These sites should be for encouragement not pulling down each other’s viewpoints we will not all agree as there are so many teachings out there we are not to be caught in debates with each other gods word is clear about that. As long as we believe in The Lord Jesus Christ as son of God and Saviour soon coming king we don’t need to worry when he returns or if there is a rapture cause we are in his hands and whatever he has planned for us in him we won’t miss out. This is becoming a joke this need to know everything. I don’t understand or believe all teaching I hear when it comes to end times I think the church is doing a good job of confusing the truth our focus should be loving The Lord keeping our lamps full of the spirit not grieving him with judgement on each other we are to love each other and encourage each other. I prefere to not look for signs jesus told the Pharisees it is a perverse generation that seeks it. We only need to be ready day by day for it has enough for us. None of us are capable of these answers. I believe we need to stop trying and let god be in control I don’t think that any prophet in the Old Testament or the disciples were asking god about the future or trying to fathom the future. Future telling is not of god. They were in gods presence and the he chose to reveal some plans for future times not to be always understood. The book of Daniel is clear it has a seal on the prophesy til a time. I think that Jesus didn’t teach out of the prophesies to reveal something to those who heard him preach if the son of god left prophesy alone why don’t we do the same. Man is still trying to be like god as he was after the fall and needs to know everything it’s sin. We must remember we are saved by grace and called to humility know gods word it is enough there are not enough sheep in this time. Our command is to love god and love each other and by this we are fulfilling all the law of the prophets. Jesus own words. Be blessed body of Christ rest in him.

    • Therese, your comment about loving God is spot on. However, there is a struggle I have, when we love someone or thing, what are we supposed to naturally be inclined to do? We’re supposed to want to learn about that person or thing and do things to make them happy (or operate more smoothly in the case of a thing). I find that I’m not always inclined to learn about Jesus, maybe because He’s not changing, maybe because I can’t see Him, but ought we not be trying to learn about Him and what He wants daily? I feel convicted in this area and it’s my struggle.

      As far as prophecy is concerned, I think you may have gotten ahead of yourself in making the argument for loving God. One of the proofs of the Bible’s validity is prophecy, or foretelling of future events. The Bible is better at this than any other source known. It was the Disciples themselves who asked Jesus about the end times and how they could know. I agree that we get to caught up in it and invent theories, like the rapture, to explain things, but we should want for Jesus to come back. I think of when I was young and I wanted my Dad to come home, sometimes I would look out the window for approaching lights. When we want something to happen, we want to see signs before it actually arrives because we’re anticipating it.

      The conclusion of the matter, as I see it, is we should all study our Bibles and all seek truth. Let the spirit convict each of us as to what truths we want to find personally and pursue those while we eagerly await our Lord’s return. I know that’s what I will attempt to do, and I’d invite everyone to do the same.

  28. I was bought up to believe in pre tribulation, had no question of its validity, just took it as fact. After hearing this spoke on a couple of times, I am shocked and scratching my head wondering why not one person ever raised an argument all these years, because, there is no mention of a pre tribulation anywhere in the bible, “wow”, now why did I assume or for some reason really believe “pre-trib” was biblical I just knew there was scripture on that. But with out scripture I can’t accept that as anything but someones theories, not a biblical promise. I’m so happy I finally saw this. I am 52 years old how did I go these years without so much as a discussion about this… Anyway, which ever it is, my hope and prayer is for all people to experience God’s truth, and his ever lasting love for us. I love you all through the Lord, Jesus Christ. Lisa

    • I am a born again christian and cannot understand how people don’t read and find the truth. I have always been unpopular because I never believed pre trib although the people I have been around do my problem is I do read my bible uh oh. Seriously i scratch my head that so many people can be mislead.

      • I’m curious. I’ve been a bible scholar my entire life, using the bible AND the bible ONLY!
        I run across all sort varying beliefs/misbeliefs and am wondering, your statement that you’re reading scripture as well…not following anyone’s teaching….so I’d like to know if you’ve come to conclusions on your own as to what the bible teaches, OR are you following popular teachings that are far from biblical truth.
        You don’t need to answer me as our salvation is a personal journey between you and God.
        #1: do you believe in an ever burning hell where people spend eternity, suffering forever…for their few years of sins…let say a young kid who loved the Lord but got lead astray when he was 18…then a week later he was killed, died while sinning. Would a loving God burn this man forever…and ever…and ever?
        Making him immortal if one lives burning in hell forever, not a good life, but still alive…but scripture teaches otherwise…only God has immortality…. So who’s wrong?
        #2: When someone dies, do they go to their reward…if saved, they go to heaven…don’t sleep in the grave like Gods word says…..many times the bible tells about the state of the dead.
        what do you do with scripture that says “The dead know not anything…they sleep, do not praise…” how does one get around these verses?
        When Jesus’s friend Lazarus died….we know he was a Godly man and was saved….Jesus went to his tomb and called “Lazarus…come forth”…not come down or come back….do you think a man would want to come back to planet earth when you’re in heaven? Lazarus was asleep, NOT in Heaven!
        #3: Do you keep the 7th Day Sabbath?
        Just as Jesus did His entire life AND during the time He was on earth after He arose from the grave, Jesus kept the 7th Day Sabbath, Holy.
        The 7th Day Sabbath was Hollowed, Sanctified by God at the time of creation.
        God wrote with His own finger the 10 commandments on the two tablets @ Mt Sinai.
        God wrote “Remember the Sabbath DAY to keep it holy”…
        what this tell us is to remember, that He created THE day of rest in the very beginning/creation of Planet Earth.
        These 2 tablets held Gods 10 commandments.
        The 1st four commandments were written on one tablet and pertains to our relationship with God.
        The 2nd tablet had the other 6 commandments, all pertaining to dealing with others.
        When God wrote kept by both Jews and Christians…until 700 years after Jesus death, the Catholic church changed the day of worship claiming they have power to change Gods laws.
        The reason they changed to Sunday worship is because had millions of pagan sun worshipers who worshiped on Sunday.
        Some Christians misinterpret/ misunderstand scripture when bile says “Day of the Lord….believing it meant a Sabbath day, but what it really means, The Day of the Lord is referring to Jesus 2nd coming
        And not Sunday in celebration of His rising from His grave on 1st day of the week…
        is not the Sabbath Day. WHY did Jesus keep the 7th Day Sabbath Holy during the 40 days He was here on earth? Shouldn’t we do as He did, not as man says?

        • Responses: #1 — Yes, a person will be burning forever in the Lake of Fire. The problem you are having is that you are seeing this from man’s perspective from a time-bound Earth and not from God’s perspective in eternity. On Earth, when you light a flame on a stove and you put your hand in it, you get burned. Do you blame the flame for burning you? Of course not! Why not? Well, it is the nature of flames to burn things that they come in contact with. What we know about God is that He hates sin. He does not want it in His presence. His righteousness and justice demand punishment for sin. Also, He is (as are we) eternal — so punishment must be eternal. Like the flame mentioned before, you don’t blame God — it is the way that He is. You also have another problem blocking your thinking — the problem of “being used to sin” around you. Yes, we all sin — we are in the muck together. Even the best of us is filthy to a pure sinless being. Just one sin sent Satan and his demons to an eternity without God in the Lake of Fire. Sure, they have committed more since then, but that was enough. When you start judging that this sin shouldn’t send you to hell, but that one should, you miss the point.
          #2 This one has been answered over and over for generations, but I will repeat it: When a Christian dies, they go immediately to Heaven. Their body is dead, but appears to be asleep — from whose perspective? From people who are living on Earth still. Does the sun really set? No, but we know what it means. There is no soul sleep.
          #3 Sabbaths/Sunday — debate: it is up to each individual believer what they want to do. Paul said that one believer can celebrate this holiday and another not. The point is to worship God — the day is not important. Remember what the Lord said to the woman at the well — The Father wants those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth.

      • The problem is everyone wants to be right. However someone will be wrong. I just want to say this if we love The Lord Jesus it truly doesn’t matter when he returns we are his and will be with him

  29. I know for sure we will be taken before the tribulation. The holy spirit is God and he is in every believer. Since he is God he has to be removed before the tribulation begins because he can not go through his own wrath. If he then leaves he has to take us with him because without him dwelling inside of us, we would be like everyone else who is not saved. He is the one that conforms our life everyday to be more like Christ was and without him we would be nothing. The bible says we will be saved from the hour of testing. The tribulation is for the Jews only to bring them to Christ through the kingdom. The church age is almost over. This is the only time period where all people can come to the Father and be forgiven. After the church leaves, it is for the Jews. Also everyone forgets about the strong lie that will be sent that says if we were still here, we would believe it. The people that will be raptured no one will really miss because we are not of the world. Keep looking up, our redemption draws near Brothers and Sisters! Peace to you all in Christ Jesus!

    • The tribulation is Satans Wrath, not until the last seven vials are poured out is Gods Wrath witnessed. Therefore, we Christians WILL be here for Satans wrath (tribulation). Why do Americans refuse to believe the persecution that is taking place all over the world towards Christians? We have turned our backs on God and are an apostate country so our protection is over. The Lord will snatch us away but not until AFTER the tribulation of those days. It’s very clear in the scriptures. Read Matthew 24: 29-31.

      • I just wrote that very thing to many people on this post. We will be here, you are right. They have been told and they have believed that they are going to be “out of here”. Most won’t even listen or discuss the topic cause they say, “I’m not wasting my time as I don’t plan to be here. There is (as you know) no escape route. They are hearing a “feel good gospel”, the gospel that says, “You all have nothing to worry about”. These Christians won’t be prepare at all for what is coming, and they will meet their own fate. Scripture plainly says, those who persevere until the end will be saved. The end is not the beginning of the tribulation. Satan’s wrath and then GOD’s wrath in that order. We will suffer, the Bible says that the Antichrist will make war with the saints. How would he do that if they had been raptured out prior to his appearing. They are unfortunately asleep, they are not paying attention. They are deceived and Satan is loving it.

  30. Please read carefully revelation.3:10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently. I will also keep you “From the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world” to test those who live on the earth. Now as we all know our lord comes twice . The first time he do not set his feet on earth but he will be in the air when he calls those who sleep and was born again in his name in their life time and then those of us who are still alive that is born again in his name will be caught up after the dead that’s when we will be given our new holy bodies . The second time jesus come is the second coming of jesus as king of kings and lord of lords . This is the time he will set his feet on earth . The first time when we meet him in the air and be with him forever and forever 1Thess.4:13-18 .We return with our lord when he comes to rule for a 1000 years and that’s at the end of the 7year tribulation . Jesus said he will keep his church out of he did’nt say he will take his church through the tribulation hour. We must not forget our lord comes to get the dead in him and those who are alive in him that is not the second coming of our lord he don’t set his feet on earth this time . So my point is there is a caught up which is the church that’s right before the tribulation . The second coming is at the end of the 7year tribulation .

    • Beloved, I’m sure we can agree that the same writer who penned 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, also wrote 1 Cor. 15:52 correct? I’m referring to the apostle Paul as he was inspired by the Holy Ghost. Also I believe we can agree that both verses are referring to the same event, yes? In Thess., we are told that “the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” Now if, as you say, the Lord doesn’t set foot on the planet for another seven years beyond this point, at which time He shall come literally to the earth, then we have a problem. For in Paul’s description of the same event found in 1 Cor. 15:52, we read, “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” Notice that Paul said “at the last trump”. So as students of the written Word, we MUST conclude that when the dead in Christ are raised, and living believers are changed from mortal to immortal, it will be at the sounding of the last trumpet. So in order to learn when the last trumpet will sound, we have two scripture references. Both passages are given by Jesus Himself – one was written by Matthew, the other by John. Matthew 24:29-31 reads, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Once again, we read of the sounding of a trumpet. We already know that the rapture occurs at the last trumpet, so we know that the trumpet referred to here cannot be after the rapture’s trumpet, for that will be the last trumpet. So we can now conclude that the rapture will be “immediately after the tribulation of those days.” This is confirmed in the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John, in Rev. 11:15-19: (This is the last of the seven trumpet judgments.) “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.” This is the actual account of the ‘last trumpet’ as recorded by John, and as referred to by Paul in 1 Thess. 4:16-17; and 1 Cor. 15:52, and Jesus in Matthew 24:29-31. Does this passage not describe all the things that we’ve been taught will take place at the rapture? First of all, the elders are praising God, and they say in verse 18, that God’s wrath has come, so we’re taken out before the wrath of God. Verse 18 also tells us that the time for God’s judgment has come, and time for rewarding the servants of God, His prophets, and the saints, and all who fear His name, both small and great. Doesn’t that take place at the rapture? There are other proofs if you’re interested.

      • HUBB52: Oh mercy, Amen over and over again. You are stealing my thought, the scriptures as plain truth and the gospel that is not watered down in your reply here. I have said “this very same thing” to people on this post. If they print any of my comments you will see that I am believing “exactly” what you are saying here. The church is not appointed to the “wrath of GOD”, which are the last 7 judgments, but they are appointed to the wrath of Satan which are the first 14 and the sad part is they don’t know it, they don’t believe it and they are deceived to a point of no return. They are spiritually blind and that is so sad. I have a neighbor that I tried to talk to and he will not listen to anything. He’s going to be “out of here”. He isn’t going to have to suffer, he will be “called up” and he will be in heaven he tells me before the tribulation, before the mark of the beast, before the poop hits the fan he will be long gone.
        I do believe we live for such a time as this to spread the word, to warn the masses of people who are so blindly going down the path of destruction.
        Only the ones that make it to the end will be saved, isn’t that what it says?
        Thank you so much for telling the truth, as it’s the truth that will set them free, IF they will only heed.

      • most Christians aren’t aware that the word “RAPTURE” is NOT in the Holy Bible!….show me! And I’ll give you a humungous reward!

      • The “Elect” spoken of here is the Jewish Nations after the Church has already been raptured out earlier.

      • Hubb52, What does matthew 24:30 say? It says all the tribes of the earth will MOURN, other translations say, all the peoples of the earth will weep, the whole world will mourn etc. Now if the church and if your a born again Christian you are in Jesus’ church right? If the church goes thru thre trib and U Hubb make it to see Christ’s 2nd coming. Are U going to mourn when U see Christ? or will U jump up and down with joy, glad to see him. Going thru the worst time in human history I would be shouting my lungs out with joy and gladness to see Jesus not mourn. In Rev.19:1-10 it shows that the marriage supper of the lamb will occur and it’s in Heaven. So if your a Christian and belong to the church how will Jesus marry His church when ( according to U Hubb we are still here on earth going thru thru trib.) it’s still on earth? We will miss the reception and we’re the bride. So how can this be. There in Rev. verse 4 the 24 elders are in heaven, so if we’re here on earth and Jesus is in heaven how will this marriage happen when people like U believe the church will go thru the trib, how can this happen. The marraige supper won’t happen in the kingdom, it’s in heaven, so we must be raptured to be in heaven and partiake the marriage. Plus U are in a matter of speaking saying that Jesus doesn’t have it right but U do. Plus if the church is here with the son of perdition aka the antichrist U need to take the mark or get your head chopped off and if the whole church gets their heads chopped off then who will Jesus rapture? If we go by what U say then U make Peaul the Apostle and Jesus liar’s in what they wrote in scripture. And how about the secret of what Jesus said that no man know’s the day or the hour, that goes right out the window because the Prophet Daniel gave us the clue that Jesus said that not even He knew but the Father alone. At the abomonation of desolation it will be 3 and 1/2 years and Jesus will return, Daniel said 1260 days. So tell about these facts Hubb. In Matthew 24 :31 my NASB version it says with a great trumpet and does not say the last trumpet. Only in ICor. 15 :52 does it say the last trumpet. In Rev 19:11-21 it would mention the rapture, but no rapture. Plus why would Jesus rapture the church when most if not all are dead and why would rapturing the church ( if any are left) make any sense when Jesus is coming down to Earth to set up his Kingdom. It would be like say Your coming back from military service and your wife could not meet U at the Airport but had a rent a car left in the parking lot for U so you could come home and when U got home U stopped in front of your house, went in your house and told your wife and kids to get in the car in front of your house and when they all got in U drove the car right into your driveway and then had them all get out and then greet them. That would be a stupid idea to do that and I think that Jesus is way smarter than to do something like that, it would rediculous to rapture when your coming down to earth, what’s the purpose for a rapture then. It wouldn’t be necessary, why? Rev.11 15-19 Look what it says, time for the dead to be judged, since when will the dead in Christ be judged as in I Thess. 4:16. In Rev 11 :18 it says for the dead ( not in Christ) to be judged, that will only happen at the white throne judgement. So what dead are these? in Rev. 11:16. This here is only talking about Chrits’s reign foreseen, not a rapture. And Matthew 24 31 doesn’t mean that these Angels sent forth are the Angels with the 7 trumpets of the prior chapters. Plus The elect here is not the church it’s Israel, for the 7 year trib is for Israel and not the church as told by the prophet Daniel, Jacob’s troubles aka the 70th week of Daniel. The church didn’t exist then at the time of Daniel. the trib is for the Israel not the church. So how are we Christians gonna servive the antichrist’s wrath Hubb? Paul said in I Thess. 4:18 to comfort one another with these words. How could Paul insult the church this way? How do U find comfort in being be-headed and dying. I think he would’ve warned us instead as Jesus did the Apostles in Mattew 24 don’t U think.? Pre-trib fits best, but it will happen only the way God knows, we can only guess the best that we can with what the bible says.

        • Yeah and if we see the peace treaty signed then seven years goes by then we could figure out the day Jesus comes back. That goes against Scripture saying who knows the day and hour. If we know that much then we all could backslide get by with sinning with the rest of the world and the last week before he comes we can straighten our lives up for Jesus! Praise GOD for Pre-trib Rapture!

      • I 100% agree with your post that “immediately AFTER the tribulation will come the rapture” most people are being taught of a Pre trib rapture and are mistaking Satans wrath and the tribulation as Gods wrath. We have to allow the bible to be it’s own dictionary. And time and time again the bible says after the tirb. will be the rapture. There are 22 times that tribulation is mentioned in the bible. 2nd Thess ch. 2: 1-3 says it again ..

  31. When does the final trump sound? Before tribulation, halfway through tribulation or after the tribulation? What happens after the final tribulation and the rapture? I’ve been told that the church will be raptured before tribulation but I believe it will happen sometime after tribulation begins, more like at the three and a half year mark possibly. Thank you.

    • Kelly: When does the last trumpet sound? Revelation talks about seal judgments and trumpet judgments and there is an angel there that is in charge of blowing the 7th and last trumpet and that is it. You are correct. The seal and trumpet judgments will be from Satan and then the church is removed. JESUS comes at that point and takes possession of the earth from the evil one (satan). Then after the church is out of here with the LORD then the last 7 judgments will come on the earth, they are called the bowl/vial judgments. Read it for yourself in Revelation. You will see that JESUS comes at the end of that 7th trumpet. Many do not believe it, but that does not mean it’s not true. The masses of people are always wrong. People are deceived. JESUS said, “My people perish for lack of knowledge”. Yes, and we don’t study and pray fro the knowledge and the wisdom to understand the word. When we find out the real truth we will be equipped to tell it to others before it’s too late and pray that they listen. Bless you.

    • I have read that for the 3 & one 1/2 year mark into The Tribulation one shall overcome a mortal wound that seemed impossible. He will be indwelt by the AntiChrist & will be the Abomination of Desolation the moment he enters the Holy of Holies in the rebuilt Solomon’s Temple. This also the time when the 2 Witnesses, after preaching for 3 and one 1/2 years on the Temple steps will be killed by the Beast & lay there for 3 days before coming back to life & Ascending to Heaven. At Jesus’s 2nd Coming know this: There will be an awful Earthquake in in Israel killing at least 7000. Jesus’s feet will be on the Mount of Olives which shall move from North toSSouth & shall split from East to West. Many of God’s people who trapped in the city shall escape by this newly made route that Jesus made. Then The Great Tribulation will be the remaining 3 and one 1/2 years of the time of The Tribulation.After that: The 2nd Death or The Great White Throne Judgement. Satan, his minions & non believersaareccast to hell. Christ & his believers rule the Earth with no Evil present for 1000 years to save the souls of people who never had the chance to be saved or whoncame to Christ during the Tribulation will& their offspring of the 1000 year time frame. Satan shall be loosed for the Final time & only a short time to try to corrupt these souls. Then it’s finally over for him & whoever is left will be with Jesus forever. Before Christians go to Heaven there will be The Marriage Supper.

    • The last trumpet will sound after the tribulation. At that time Jesus will gather His church, return to the earth, and establish His kingdom on the earth for 1,000 years. God bless.

    • It,s not; the word used in the bible is two words, it’s called a “catching away.” It comes from an old Latin word, “raptura,” and it means “to be snatched away.

  32. Ah, good to see that someone believes that the mid-trib rapture is most scripturally accurate! We are not called unto God’s wrath, so when that bowl of wrath is poured out, we will not be subject to it. What breaks my heart is all the years I’ve heard preachers stick with the pre-trib understanding, and so many will be unprepared and shocked and possibly even blame God for it.

    • Scoopie: This is the second time I have commented on what you wrote. Yes, after the trumpet judgments but before the bowls (the wrath of GOD) is biblical. We are not appointed to the wrath of GOD. We won’t be here for it, but prior to it we will be here. The people will be unprepared and shocked and they will certainly blame the pastors of their churches and yes even GOD and ‘THIS IS WHAT CAUSES THE GREAT FALLING AWAY OF THE CHURCH”. And if you recall that is one of the things that “must” happen before JESUS comes for the bride of CHRIST. The other thing that “must” happen is that the Antichrist must come.
      These unaware Christians are spiritually blind. Satan has them blinded to the truth of the word of GOD and they are not unfortunately able to see the truth that will set them free. The scriptures tell us that many will be deceived and will only listen to false preachers and will only hear what their itching ears want to hear and nothing more. What can we do? I always knew that we could lead a horse to water, but we can’t make it drink.

  33. I always believed we were raptured before trouble/great tribulation until I realized that if we rise at his coming, and He comes at the last trump, which is after tribulation – then we must go up at the end of the 7 years/tribulation. I don’t see how we can get around it. I’m sure not happy about it.

  34. Please believe me im a god fearing young man and have no reason to lie this was not a dream this was broad daylight I promise the lord is on his way.
    Wooohooooo :)
    Rejoice my brothers and sister hes coming to not only (rapture) but deliver us from evil. Amen

  35. I was in a car wreck 2 weeks ago and I saw an extremely bright light so bright that the capillaries in my eyes exploded and all I could do was stare at the beauty of it and then I was asked 2 questions
    1. Do you belive what you hear or what you see
    I was litterally looking at bright light that spoke to me and I said I believe in what I see because what I saw was not man made I promise.
    If you want your soul to not be condemned please repent and live right. Thank you and god bless everyone who believes and those who do not, I pray that god has mercy on your souls

    I also have medical proof from jps
    Stating this all happend in arlington tx.

  36. I believe that the Christian will not go through this hour of trying the people that are on earth at this time and the four horse are about to ride in this world, white horse, red horse, black horse, the pale horse.

  37. I believe that the Christ will not go through the great tribulation because God will take out the world we not go through the tribulation period.

  38. What part of Matthew 24:36 do you not understand? “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.”

    So, how can we sit here and predict anything?

    • Literally speaking, NO, we don’t know the day or hour, but do we need to know that? The scriptures give us all that we need to know. They tell us the approximate time frame of JESUS return. They give us all the signs of the times, and what to watch for etc. Not knowing the day or the hour is not an issue, preparing physically, mentally and spiritually is the key to everything. Knowing the truth and not being so deceived as most people are is another key and knowing what to look for and how to persevere until the end is yet another key. GOD is putting the final pieces together on his puzzle and he will return sooner than most of us think.

  39. If you’ll read the Genesis account of the flood, you’ll see that those that were “taken” by the flood were the ones that were NOT living in accordance with God’s will. Those that were left behind were the “saints”.

    In the New Testament, the prophecy of the two men working on the roof of the house where one is “taken” and the other is not, the prediction is that the latter event will be likewise to the former. Thus, the man that is taken is the sinner, not the obedient Christian. So, there is no such thing as a “tribulation” other than the two thousand years of persecution that have passed since the death of Christ. Further, if the Christians are taken in a so-called rapture event, then who is left to teach the Word to those left behind? Read your Bibles, people! Reach your own conclusions, and don’t let someone who is making his living by milking your sensitivities tell you what it means. I suggest that the reader ponder Eph. 4:5, and discover what it means in this modern world of Baskin-Robins 51 Flavors of Religion.

    • First of all at the flood Genisis 6:9 says “Noah was perfect in his generations” the Hebrew translation of perfect is “genetically sound” it’s not that he was without sin it was that his blood line was not corrupted.
      Genesis 6:2 and the Sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair and they took them wives of all which they chose. Ok the Sons of God are Angels (and in Gen. 6:2 they are the Fallen Angels) remember Jesus referred to himself as Son of Man! The first time the bible mentions the coming of Jesus was in the garden of Eden. (Gen. 3:15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. So further down (Gen. 5) The Book of the Generations of Adam… It tells the “Genetically Sound Bloodline” of Adam. So you can follow along from Adam to Noah .. (then the flood happens) Why the flood? Because the rest of the world was corrupted… (Gen.6:7) And the lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. So Re-cap.. Prophesy of Jesus in the garden of Eden, bloodlines shown in the bible from Adam to Noah. And God wanting to repent that he made man, beast, creeping thing, and fowl! Well if Man wasn’t aligned with God then why did he almost repent making the animals also? Good Question. Because in Eden when God puts enmity between Eve and the Serpent, Satan at that point knew that now a Savior was coming… Jesus.! He had a long long time to figure out a plan and try to execute it to prevent Jesus from coming. So in Gen.6:2 the Fallen Angels come down ( which are able to manifest themselves to what ever they want to be.) and took wives of which they chose. So not only did they corrupt man, but everything else as well. That’s why God wanted to repent of it all! Not just man but everything! So Noah was perfect in his generations “genetically sound” the bible states “there is nothing new under the sun” what we are seeing today is not new to God! Think of the days of Noah and Lot! (Luke17:26) and as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man. Look at today’s food “GMO’s” our food is genetically modified,(chicken,pork, beef, ect.) it’s no longer 100% “perfect in it’s generations.” We have goats “genetically merged” with spiders. For the sake of the goat producing silk from where it would be making milk from. There is nothing new under the sun! Only difference today is we are doing it in a lab! Allow the bible to be it’s own dictionary! Let it fine itself, maybe then will it make better sense. (Mark 13:37) and what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. Jesus wasn’t talking to just one group of people, he was talking to whole world. So pay attention look, and WATCH!
      -God Bless-

    • God has always delivered His people from His judgement before it came. At the flood in Noah’ time did He not deliver all of the righteous, which were Noah and his family, and when He destroyed the city of Sodom and Gamorrah did the angels tell Lot. who believed in God but was not living for Him, God could not judge the city until Lot and his family got out? God always takes His people away before He sends His judgement? Good or bad. all of them? We will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ and get our bad works burnt up, that will purify all of us. That is when we will be presented to Christ as His bride without spot or blemish. God will not put His own Son’s bride through the great tribulation that shall come upon all the earth for unbelievers. The tribulation is the last 7 years, called Jacob’s trouble, and is determined on the Jews and Jerusalem, not the church. The church began after the first 483 years determined upon Jews (Jewish time or the Law), and will be gone when the last 7 years of Jewish time starts. Then it will return back to Jewish time (the tribulation and Jews will start animal sacrifices back up again to go back under the Law). The church and Jewish time have never overlapped each other and never will, that is another reason why the church can not be here during the tribulation. People can still get saved in the tribulation but will be rare, most will keep on cursing God. All of Israel will be saved then when they see the anti-christ for who he really is, they will then know that Jesus is their Messiah. The people who do get saved in the tribulation will be called tribulation saints, not the church, don’t get the tribulation saints confused with the church. The church is never mentioned again after chapter 4 of Revelation, the “come up hither” is spoke out in chapter 4. that is the calling up the church to heaven, you will never hear the church being referred to after that. I know John was being called up hither then but he was representing the whole church. That my friend was the rapture, and that was before he was shown all the things of the tribulation. I am going in the rapture and I am rest assured that will be before the tribulation, see you in heaven if you are a believer/

      • All I can say is it would be wonderful if you are right. I would rather go before than after. I don’t believe we want to suffer, but then CHRIST didn’t want to suffer either. John does not represent the entire church. GOD was talking directly to John and told John to “come up here and I will show you the things that are to be”. He was only speaking to John not to the saved, not to the church, not to anyone but John.
        Please understand that Revelation IS NOT written in chronological order, so what is or is not written after Chapter 4 has no bearing on what will happen. John was seeing visions of Heaven and Earth. He was being taken back and forth. It didn’t happen in the order that it has been written…That changes everything does it not?

  40. Just as all the details of our Lords’ first coming were foretold in the scriptures so is the case for his second coming. I was a pre-trib rapture believer for many years until I discovered that the pre-trib rapture concept did not appear in church teaching until 1830 A.D.. It has been attributed to a man by the name of Edward Irving who was a priest in the Apostolic Catholic Church. That was an immediate reg flag for me for the following reasons. If this was true then what did the Apostles and the early Church fathers and the greatest preachers of the first nineteen centuries teach with regard to the rapture. If you do your homework you will find they all taught that the Church, not Jewish believers, would suffer the persecution of the anti-christ. That means the Church will be present until sometime after the “abomination of desolation” takes place exactly three and one half years into the trib. This begins the period of time known as the Great Tribulation or Satan’s Wrath.

    Second, if the pre-trib rapture were correct then that would mean that God the Holy Spirit, mislead the Apostles, early Church fathers and His greatest preachers about the Truth.
    Any true Christian knows that can’t be so pre-trib rapture is not supported by scripture. I believe it is the most popular position in evangelical America today because it teaches that you don’t have to worry about anything bad happening to you as opposed to having to choose between taking the mark of the beast or be beheaded. For those of you who are true Truth seekers the biblicaly correct timing for the rapture is sometime after the first three and one half years during the period of Satan’s wrath. It is called the pre-wrath position and I recommend you read “The Rapture Question Answered” by Robert Van Kampen. Very in depth on all the positions and why, based on scripture, this is the only position with no scriptural contradictions as the pre,mid,and post rapture positions have. The Spirit will convict you that this position is correct as He did for me. The fact that the majority of evangelical Christians in America believe in the pre-trib rapture is going to severely challenge their beliefs in the truth of God’s Word because it didn’t happen the way they were taught. They were and are being taught a lie and they will not be prepared, by Faith, for what lies ahead for the Church. I believe that this lie is why so many believers are not as serious about their walk with God. But when you know the “truth” it will drive you to your knees and seriously change your walk with God because you and I are going to need “great Faith” during the coming months or years left.

    • TOM: Hope you are still reading this post. I just read your comment and I agree 110%. People are deceived and therefore they will not be prepared mentally, physically, spiritually for what they will have to endure. Life as we know it will change and when they are still here even thought they didn’t think they would be, they will be discouraged, disappointed, and even angry that they were lied to. They won’t have time then to prepare for anything, it will be too late. Most are so deceived they won’t listen to reason or to the “truth” of the matter. They will suffer for that, as they were stubborn and they were not told the truth. Many think they will be “out of here”. Oh my, I used to think the same thing. Scripture does not support a pre-tribulation rapture of the church.
      We won’t be going anywhere until JESUS comes for us. He will open the graves and the saved will meet him in the air,(the ones that were asleep in their graves and the ones who were still alive), and the unsaved at that time will be destroyed by the brightness of his coming, and the unsaved that were in their graves will stay there for another 1,000 years until He comes back again to raise them up for judgment, the white throne judgment is at that time. All of GOD’s children will go on ahead and attend the marriage supper of the lamb, amen.
      The people want what their itching ears will let them hear, they crave that good ole’ “feel good” gospel, as it is music to their ears. I pray they will wake up before it’s too late for them.

    • Why do you believe in one part of the word and not the other? The Spirit should give you more wisdom to understand that Jesus promises his coming for the dead in Christ before the great tribulation. And those in Christ with faith and belief and a firm relationship will be caught up with them and HIM to escape the trials to come upon the entire earth! REV. 3:10

  41. I feel like the big ministries are going to have a lot of people not be ready for the hard times we are going to go through!

    • Agree, and smiling, feel so blessed that I have obtained this correction, after 52 years of being falsely taught, and accepting it as the truth, even thinking it was in the bible, love it whenever God’s truth is revealed to me. I can’t imagine the surprise and the confusion some will feel. May each of us seek and obey God’s will and truth.

      • LISA: Just read your comment from May 5,2014. Are you still reading this post? Write me and I will send you forwards that I have on the truth of GOD’s word. Not watered down, not diluted gospel but the real truth of the word. You said, “love it whenever GOD’s truth is revealed to me”. We must seek and obey GOD’s will as when we know the truth, the truth will set us free. John 8:12.
        As for the surprise and the confusion that people will feel when they find out they didn’t get raptured before the tribulation, it will be the “great falling away”, that the scriptures talk about. The great falling away and the man of sin (the antichrist) must happen first BEFORE JESUS comes back to take us home and open up the graves. It will be a major falling away when they learn that they were all lied to. GOD help them. Write me…wkr2014hilly2014@gmail.com

  42. in Rev.7:9-14 who are the people who came out of the great tribulation they are not the bride of Christ but were saved during the tribulation

    • Believers left behind not taken in the Resurrection/Rapture. These people will gain ground in a large revival most likely underground out of the spotlight in fear of the persecution going on at that time. Many will be sealed, martyred and reach the end when the tares and wheat are separated. I feel when someone doesn’t believe in the catching away of the Church,
      there must be a desire to go through the tribulation where without the Lords presence, people are gonna want to die. Think about it! The Church presence gone the age of the anti-Christ will prevail and the false Church holds religious power, those left will be deceived over and over. Thank God! There will be a remnant in Israel and believers, look at all the material on Christianity left here for believers to distribute. That’s hope for those that want to stay behind. I want to see all brothers and sisters in Christ to escape, because that is the hope that has been taught from the apostles and the Church through the centuries. Not since John Darby!

  43. When I read the Bible, it keeps seeming that the Rapture and the second coming are two different events. The second coming is preceded by certain events. The rapture sounds like it does not have anything preceding it and makes its coming like a thief in the night. It also seems as if the new testament speaks about them similarly. However, we are to comfort one another with the rapture and not so with the second coming.

    • Cynthia Brown–I agree. I believe the rapture is when the believers are ‘caught up’ in the clouds and are with Christ…but Christ doesn’t actually return to earth then…He is simply taking His church out of it. The second coming of Christ is after the tribulation…when Christ comes back, speaks the word….and evil is defeated.

      • Jeff–if you are a Christian, no matter if you believe in a pre/mid or post tribulation ‘rapture’…it WILL happen :)

    • The Rapture will be pre trib. We are very close to something really really big. Be prepared for the alien Vatican connection google this up. The Rapture will be blamed on a alien abduction. Don’t laugh google. Lastly ET s are demons. Google blood moons and be shocked and get ready Jesus is Coming Sooooon.

      • I agree it will come sooner than most think. yes, in the past people thought to be in the generation of the rapture, only they weren’t in the time of ALL things happening. We are in these times of all things…we shall see this in our times. God doesn’t just spring it on us, he didn’t with Noah, why would he with us believers? he gives signs and if u read and pay attention you will know the season. in Hebrew in the day of Jesus their idiom (kind of like I scratch your back u scratch mine…we know what that means but you say that to a Jewish man he will say don’t touch me) the phrase “don’t know the time or season” was when they were in the trumpets of feast, at the last trumpet you were done. The Hebrew calendar starts when the moon has a eclipse but they never knew the time or hour of when their calendar started as they didn’t know when the eclipse would come. so they would say that phrase(idiom). I believe at the last trumpet of the feast…is the time it will come about. and with our blood moons…how is this blinded. but after all is said and done…as long as you are saved. do not be afraid. we will be in a place of great things. leave a letter…make a video for your lost loved ones so they can too join us after 7 years. I am simply doing that. I can only hope they listen. god bless u all.

  44. My only question about the tribulation period, when Christ comes for his church, if it is during the actual 7 year tribulation, wouldn’t we be able to do a count down to mid trib or post trib, after the fact. It says we will not no the time or the hour, so doesn’t that tell us the church will be taken away at rapture, before the actual tribulation period?

  45. I had 3 dreams on 2/9/09 that lines up with the Bible about what is to come. Just as I woke up I heard in my head, “Six Great things in the next eight years.” I know this was the Holy Spirit.
    Now, I get the feeling I am being lead to witness to my Jewish land lord at work, but I’m not sure how. Can you advise me? Thanks and God Bless,

    • go to sid roths website, he is a messianic jew , he has a book written specifically for jewish people, “They thought for themselves”, it is the perfect witness tool for jews.

  46. Christianity is ‘Israel centric’ and ‘western centric’. We need to study the Bible in context of Israel/ Hebrew centric. The Feasts of the Lord (Leviticus 23) has the encoded message for the First Coming’; The Church Age & The Second Coming of Christ. Jesus was crucified on Passover Feast; Buried on Unleaven Bread & Rose on Feast of Firstfruit. The Holy Spirit was sent on the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), which started the Church Age.
    Now, the next feast to be fulfilled is the Feast of Trumpets (Sept/Oct). In this feast the Shofar (ram horn) is blown 100 times.Paul was referring to this 100th Trumpet as the ‘last trump’. Also Jesus was referring to this feast when He said, ‘No man knows the time or the hour’ because this feast can start only when two witnesses sights the ‘Sliver’ of the moon. And no man knows the day and the hour when it will be seen… After this feast are the feasts of Atonement (Yom Kippur) and Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles). Please, study the teachings of Pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministeries

  47. It is time to bring in the end time harvest and snatch as many as we can. The window is short so be diligent. Open your mouth and magnify the Lord for His saints are His voice in the earth. The bride is going to be presented without spot or blemish. Are you and your house prepared?

  48. I do not believe that the rapture occurs at Revelation 4:1, on the contrary, I accept the view that it happens at Revelation 11. I am a midtribulationist like Dr. Gleason Archer. When will this event occur, no one know except for God the Father. Jesus said this himself. What happens at the death of a Christian, our spirits go to heaven and live with Jesus until he returns and we receive our resurrection bodies. There are many verses that I could quote; however, I will only use three: 1 Samuel 28, Revelation 6:9 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-8. There is no soul-sleep; however, I am not here to debate those who accept that view.

  49. The sign in Rev. 12 “A woman clothed in the son” appears on Feast of Trumpets, 9/22-23/2017. Look at any astronomy software like Stellarium (which is free). The woman flees into the wilderness, this indicates mid-trib timing. Which means the 7 years of tribulation is due to begin sometime this spring; Obama/Kerry’s 4/29/14 Peace Deal deadline falls right in place with this as done many other signs and prophecies. Rabbi Judah Ben Samue’s 10 Jubilee Cycles from the Turks (1517) to the Messiah (2017 – will be the antiChrist or strong deception sent by God). Rabbi Kaduri’s prophecy about the Messiah being revealed to long after Ariel Sharon’s death. Not to mention comet Ison, the four blood moons, solar eclipses and the fact that Rosh Hashanah 2017 begins 2018 – the 70th anniversary of Israel’s 1948 independence.

    Time is short; make sure you are ready!!!!

    • Hi Eric…Just a point on Rev 12 starting at verse 1…(KJV) and there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and upon her head a crown of twelve stars….now you agree this has to co-inside with something else in scripture that would give us some sort of reference as to what this wonder is, as the woman gives bith to a son who will rule the nations with an iron rod (do you agree this son is Jesus?) I beleive that this woman is refering to the nation of Israelites (the remnent, 144,000) that God will call when the last of the gentiles has come in (Rom 11 v26,27 see my comments, March 15th) who will have revelation that Jesus is the Messiah, the one they rejected 2,000 years prior. If we go back to Gen chap 37 we see Joseph (who pictures and who’s experiences are a picture of Christ) telling his brothers of two dreams…we are only dealing with the second. (though the sheaves have relevence too, maybe another time) He (Joseph) says “Behold, I have dreamed a dream more, and behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, an his father rubuked him and said unto him, What is this dream that thou has dreamed? Shall I and thy mother (This is Rachel who was Jacobs SECOND wife, the one Jacob loved, who was Joseph’s mother… this is very important as Leah pictures the old covenant and Rachel the new, Benjamin has significance too as he was the second child of Rachel and Josephs full brother, once again another time) and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee. And his brothers envied him, but his father observed his saying. Well as you know Eric they conspired to slay him, left him for dead in a pit, but…. and here’s the beauty and purposes of God….. they killed an animal and smeared the coat of many colours ( which represents all the tribes, another story!) with its blood… they were actually “covering” themselves…and yes they did come and do obeisence to Joseph as you know and will yet do obeisence to Jesus, whom Joseph represents in the story, they will weep for Him and show Him total devotion as they bow and recognise Him as there King when they, as Revelation says, “give birth to a son” they will know who Jesus is, just as the brothers did with Joseph. This is very condensed but will give you food for thought. If you would like more detail on any point please feel free to reply.
      God bless your’s and my search for HIS truths

  50. “The coming of the son of man will be likened to the days of Noah; everyone was eating, drinking, marrying, given into marriage and they knew nothing UP UNTIL THE DAY NOAH ENTERED THE ARK.

    The Ark is heaven, Noah and his family entering the ark is the rapture, it didn’t start raining for 7 days: tribulation and jugement.

    I strongly believe in a pre-tribulation rature of the faithful church – I’ll see yall after the tribulation, we’ll keep a light on for you.

  51. Brother….I feel that one of the most important elements of chap 24 that no one seems to have mentioned is verse 15 (KJV) “when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him UNDERSTAND” (emphasis mine) I feel the first port of call MUST be what our Lord advises us to do, so therefore we go to Daniel chap 9 starting at verse 24 (please remember when reading this that the prophecy about the seventy weeks is for Israel ONLY and NOT the church) “Seventy weeks are determined upon THY people (Daniels people, ie: the jews) and upon thy holy city to finish the transgression and to make an end to sins and to make reconsiliation for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness and to seal up the vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy” seventy weeks but if you go on to verse 25 and 26 there it tells about 7 weeks and 62 weeks in which when added together makes just 69, well the angel informs us what will happen at the end of the 69th week… “Messiah will be cut off but not for himself” this happened when the Lord went to the cross and gave His life a ransom for many, then it tells of the prince that SHALL come he will destroy the city and the sanctuary, but remember that the Lord had already informed them that when they see this abomination standing in the Holy place let them in Judea flee to the mountains….this happened when Vespasian entered Jerusalem in 66AD came right up to the temple steps then turned back and left (due to the death of ceaser)…Wow this was the time the Lord spoke of and many obeyed Jesus’ command, they fled to the mountains stayed there and were not caught out by the returning forces of the Romans and this was when under Titus in 70AD they did just that…returned…over one million people were killed it truly was a devastating time, when it was all over it was as if God Himself had turned the lights off nothing left of what God had called a chosen nation and the signature of His presence finally destroyed He was not with this people anymore a sign that the jews no doubt would have been so definitely aware off…everything had forever changed for the jew who did not know Christ….but was there no hope at all…not even a remnant. Well in the next verse (27) of Daniel we shift forward 2,000 years to the last week of the seventy weeks of years which has not happened yet (remember Jesus said le the reader understand or use discerment) and has once again only to do with the jews (remnant) that will come to know Christ. There will be a covenant made with anti-christ for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause sacrifice and oblation to cease…THATS when they will know who this one is (Thess chap 2) The remnant WILL have the revelation made know them, they WILL know there Messiah but they will go through a great refinement and God will see if they have changed…Just as Joseph tested his brothers though they didnt know it he (Joseph) had his had on the situation all the time then a great revealing took place…how marvelous that was for all concerned Joseph welcomed these as his beloved brothers just as Jesus will welcome the nation of His brothers through a remnent and remember what Joseph said to his brothers in Genesis chap 45 v 5 and Genesis 50 v19-20. Gods plan of reemption for all in the dispensation of times is truly truly awe inspiring. There is so much more to say but I hope this be enough to show what lines I think along.

    God bless your hunt for the treasures if God.

  52. Its important to understand post trib rapture because when the tribulation comes, and the rapture doesn’t yet, those who believe in a pre trib rapture may severely panic, become fearful, lose hope and give into anti-Christ, and take the mark. And so its those who know rapture happens after tribulation begins that will be strong in the faith.

    • I agree completely! Scripture says that we are being told these things so that we won’t be offended when it happens. While I agree that doctrinally, it’s not a salvation issue, I strongly believe that it can be a salvation issue for many who are not strong in the faith & who believe false doctrines such as “you can take the mark of the beast and still go to Heaven” or who will fall away from their faith during the tribulation or persecution from the antichrist world ruler.

  53. Amen and so well stated….these doctrines do not save you,…Jesus saves you….Christianity is already being attacked on all sides……we need to pray for each other and hold onto the Lord….time is surely going to march on and we will know what is happening.

  54. The question I have is in regards to the scripture that says 2 will be in the field working and one will be taken and the other left.. If u compare this to the harvest and the scriptures about the endtime harvest, the tares are the ones taken first and the wheat is left then taken 2nd.. Matthew says the tares are taken first and in revelation the wheat are taken first and the tares second.. I’m a little confused on the harvest in Matthew and revelation because of how it reads different of who is harvested first and also the scripture about 2 in the field working.. Who are the ones left? The wheat or the tares? The scripture says in Matthew the tares are taken first and case into the furnace. Can you please draw a comparison of these scriptures with the rapture scriptures and their timeline?

  55. Jesus did not sleep when he died so why would anyone else? His physical body was asleep but spiritually he went about His business. The same thing will happen to us. Soul Sleep is simply non-Biblical.

    • It is clear that you do not research the Bible yourself and only repeat what others have falsely deceived you with. Research God’s Word, through Prayer and Fasting, and you shall know Truth. God is a God of Love whereas satan is about confusion.

  56. Jesus does NOT come quietly at His Return. He does NOT secretly whisk away all the true Christians and leave non Christians behind. ALL eyes shall see Him and ALL mouths will declare Him Christ and LORD … that means saved and unsaved will see Him as He returns. Stop and question what false teachings you have been taught and ask God, through Prayer & Fasting, to reveal His Word and His meaning to you. Read your Bible daily. Stop believing satan’s confusion, designed to keep you from God’s Truths, and search God’s Word. Once again, there is No Left Behind. There is No Silent Rapture. There is no whisked away into Heaven and avoid the Tribulation period. All of this is false doctrine. One more thing … Earth is where Christians are to be, NOT in Heaven. No Man is in heaven now nor ever, ever, ever was or will be. Jesus Himself said no man has ascended unto heaven. Doubt me ? Look it up. If you are a true Christian, you must believe Jesus’ words. You may not like what I said and that is good. Because, it will make you search the Scriptures and God Shall Reveal The Truth To You … God Loves You and So Do I … In Jesus’ name. Amen.

    • Another thing … When we die, we do NOT go to Heaven, nor do we go to Purgatory, or a place of Fire & Torment. We SLEEP until Jesus’ Return and He calls for us to “Awake!” … Ask yourself, what is the purpose of Jesus’ resurrection, thereby conquering death, if, when we die, we go straight to Heaven and then, when Jesus returns, we go alongside Him back to Earth to go “back to Heaven” ? Do you not see the sheer ignorance in that false teaching ? You SLEEP/Rest in the grave until Jesus’ return. Look it up in the Bible and stop following satan’s and man’s false doctrines … God Loves You and So Do I … In Jesus’ Mighty name. Amen

      • When we die, if we just sleep in the grave, why did Jesus say to the thief on the cross “today you will be with me in paradise”. Is this another place?

        • JERRY BURK: JESUS didn’t go to heaven that day. There were no commas in the Greek literature or writings. I tell you this today you will be with me in paradise. JESUS was assuring the thief that he would be, but it couldn’t have been that day. Read about when he appeared to Mary and he said, “Do not touch me as I have not ascended yet unto my FATHER.” So, if JESUS had not yet gone to be with the FATHER, then the thief could not have gone with JESUS that day. Hope this makes sense. The bible tells us that no one has seen GOD and that no one has yet been to heaven except JESUS who came down from there.

        • A Comma, in a sentence, can change the entire meaning of it’s message. Commas were placed by the translators of the Scriptures. So, in essence, one must, correctly, place the comma in Jesus’ answer/reply to the thief on the cross … Surely, I say to you this day (meaning, I say this to you Today, this moment, now, I speak of this to you today) … Not that Today you shall be with me in paradise today (right now, after we die, when we are killed) . But, I say to you, today, you shall be with Me in paradise (at that time when My Kingdom comes to Earth) … Clear now my brother ?

          • I for one am not a Jehovah’s Witness for that is listen in my book of cults. However there were no commas in the Greek text. But as I said to another person that made a comment, JESUS didn’t go to heaven that day. He told Mary when she saw him, ” Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to the FATHER.”

          • You must be a Jehovah’s Witness Mark. Only JWs argue like this. There were no commas in the original Scripts.

  57. There are many, many different views about the rapture, and about prophecy in general. So I would like to pitch in my “two sense”. Bro Billy, on Feb 12th describes the upcoming situation as a “wash & dry cycle” for the Church. His comments about the Church’s failure to observe our Lord’s “Holy-days”, and our failure to fully disassociate ourselves from the secular world puts us in a rather precarious position. Thank you Billy for your insight. I would like to make a call for UNITY among us all, everyone one of us here who takes the time to share his or her thoughts and feelings about these issues. I’d like to propose a truce, so to speak. Could we take a new fresh look at the same old ideas, but through the eyes of Christ, instead of our own? Could it be possible that we, as the “body of Christ”, might have different experiences as members of the same “body”? More than one common experience, but several different ones.?
    Is it possible for one to wade through a torrential stream and still keep parts of his body dry? Doesn’t our Father, Who through Christ, created all, incorporate both opposites in his plan. Some of us are “feet & toes”. We bear the load. we get wet. Some of us are “hands & arms”. we will be raised high above the torrent and kept dry. Some of us are “eyes”. We will know what lies ahead. But the “back & shoulders” wont have a clue! Brothers and sisters, If you find yourselves in Heaven with the Lord while others are still on earth “in the torrent”, then pray and intercede for them. If you find yourself on earth “in the torrent”, then gather those others who believe and protect them. Show them what they MUST NOT DO!! Today, we all should be considering the Words of Christ when he wrote to the Seven Churches as if he were writing DIRECTLY TO US. Let us all give thought to our own predicament and consider how we may be lacking, and improve. Let us be ready for whatever is before us. Love & Unity is paramount. If we are called to be a witness (martyr) for Christ during the time ahead – then so be it.
    If we have been given revelation about what’s coming, then communicate it to the family. Remember – “if we only love those who love us, then what credit is that to us?” During the trying times ahead, the “wash & dry cycle” of our walk will mainly be about the Lord addressing our pride issues. Humbling us and creating a situation where we must forgive our enemies and pray for them. I know that all who are called by the Name Of Christ Jesus will be supernaturally protected from Wrath, but we will be given over to persecution by the antichrist and his people. So we will need to be diligent about the kinds of spirits (thoughts) we allow to take hold of our attention. Brothers & Sisters, lets strive to keep the unity & love amongst ourselves at a high priority. Lets also accept that we all will not have the same experiences together, but we will all experience the Salvation of the Lord and Eternal Life. And wherever we find ourselves, we will display the Love of Christ to a dying world. Thank you for reading this.

  58. I’ve looked at this issue pretty diligently for quite some time. I guess I was a pre-triber for some time. But after some examination, My question is:
    When the LORD Himself always referred to the Saints, the Tribulation, and then His Return.
    It also intrigues me, Pre-Tribers Do Not / Can Not use the LORD’S comments in Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21.
    I’m with you, a rapture would be nice, but I CANNOT find any scriptural evidence, and I’m looking hard.
    Thank You so much.

    • You can’t find any scriptural evidence b/c it isn’t there. Study to show thyself approved and you will please GOD when you do that. And, when you learn the truth, you will be free indeed to show it to others and teach it, IF they will listen. I’m trying to teach two different ladies and neither are understanding. They are hung up on their traditional ways and pagan customs. Christians need to be reaching a lost and dying world, some way, some how maybe we can get the truth to them before it’s too late.

    • Has anyone looked into the greek for the word “coming” as translated in our bibles. If you look at the question posed by the disciples there were 3 aspects to it…1, tell us when shall these things be…2, what will be the SIGN of thy coming… 3, and of the end of the world. If you go to the greek for the word “coming” you will find that in verses 3, 27, 37, 39 the word “coming” is “presence” (Parousias) If you used this word when reading these verses you would then get in verse 3…”Tell us when shall these things be, and what shall be the SIGN of thy PRESENCE and of the end of the world…changes things a little doesn’t it….then head to verse 27 (bearing in mind verse 3) “For as lightening (greek..gleam fling, love that) cometh ( greek “out coming”) out of the east and shineth even unto the west so shall also the (parousias) PRESENCE of the son of man be. Then onto 30 where the greek word for coming, in this verse, is correctly translated as coming or as the greek says ERCHOMENON…….So you have the word parousias, presence (G3952) for coming in verses 3, 27, 37 and 39 of Matt 24…and in verses 30, 42, 43, and 44 the word ERCHOMENON (G2064) correctly translated AS coming/come. When looked at like this doesn’t Matthew take on a slightly different slant! “THEN SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN” They (the jew, remnent) would have a sign before His coming and it would possibly be as verse 27 says a great “gleam fling” across the heavens . So verse 30… a SIGN (of His presence) secondly all the tribes MOURNING and then SEEING Christ’s coming.The word parousias or presence, remember, occurs in verses 37 and 39 the other verses will stay the same… “coming”… as written. So in summery Please read again Matthew 24 but this time inserting presence (instead of coming) in verses 3, 27, 37 39, and leaving the word “coming/come” in every other place. They will not know the exact day of His (Christ) coming, which is why they are urged to stay awake and be spiritually alert, but they (remnent) will see a sign of His (Christ’s) presence. I feel Matthew 24 is for the Israelites and not for the church, His bride, His body, it ties in with verse 15 where Jesus asks us to go to Daniel, using discernment. (chap 9 v 24-27) The seventy weeks of years speaks only of the Israelites, not of the church, 69 weeks finishing with Christ’s death and the other week (which would be the 70th) of Jacobs trouble yet to begin. Any comments?

    • 1) Noah entering the ark 7 days before the flood is a picture of the rapture!
      2) Daniel was in the palace of the king when Shadrach, Mishack and Abednego had to neal to the golden image or go through the fiery furnace that was heated 7 times hotter!
      3) The church is the barley harvest, the loaf of barley that Jesus fed the 5,000 with – the church has fed the world the gospel. The tribulation will bring about the wheat harvest, and finally the grapes will be pressed in the winepress of the wrath of God.
      4) Daniel was told 70 weeks are determined upon THY people and THY holy city (for rejecting Christ the Messiah).
      5) Every step of Joseph’s life parallels what happened to Christ. Joseph received a gentile/Egyptian bride Asenath BEFORE his brother went through 7 years of famine. Asenath birthed Manasah and Ephriam who were grafted into the 12 tribes taking Joseph’s portion.
      6) Those who are in Christ are not appointed to suffer the wrath of God.
      7) The rapture will happen when noone is expecting it and it will be soon. Just like the days of Noah – everyone eating, drinking, marrying – business as usual – certainly not after the 7 year peace deal is signed or the temple rebuilt, or the abomination of desolation….EVERYONE would be looking for him then!

      Read your Bibles, esp. the Old Testament. 2 Cor. says “Now all of these things happened to them as examples to admonish those living at the time of the end.”

  59. When will the Resurrection occur? Please notice that the coming of the Lord has a known date (Matthew 24:29-30) The tribulation will last for seven years and then He will return at a known date: Every eye will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of glory with great power and great glory, this occurs at the revelation of Christ at the end of the Tribulation. The unknown date will occur at the Rapture of the church. no one will see this event. And the unknown date, You cannot come with the saints until you have come for the saints.Notice in Verse 17…We who are alive and remain shall be “caught up” Harpazo which means snatched away–This is the thief coming at a time and no one will see this event. Their has to be two comings. The last trump occurs at the end of the tribulation which has nothing to do with the Resurrection of the Saints at the time of the Rapture.It calls the saints to eternal blessing. It is not to be confused with the seventh trumpet of Revelation 11:15-18, which signals the final outpouring of judgment on the world during the Tribulation. The last trumpet here is the last for the church. The seventh trumpet of Revelation is the last for the unbelieving world …judgment for all those in the tribulation. Read Revelation 14 to see the rest of the tribulation is still coming with the bowl judgments.

    • Kenneth,

      Please refer back to a post Nathan made on Feb. 6th in which he also talks about how the last trump and the 7th trump are not the same. I responded to his comment on Feb 12th (below his comment in the chain) wherein I show scriptural proof that the last trump of 1 Cor. 15 and the 7th Trump of Revelation are in fact the SAME trump.

      Read Daniel 12 and you will see that their is 75 days after the 1260 days end. Jesus will come during this time which ties in with a post trib rapture but still not knowing the exact day or hour but knowing the season.

      Also please read the thief in the night references by Paul, Peter, and Jesus. This is not a secret rapture for the church! In all three instances it is referencing to Jesus coming and will catch the unbelieving world by SURPRISE, as a thief in the night comes by surprise. Paul says that in 1 Thes. 5 that we (the church) are not children of the night in that we will be caught off guard at Jesus’ second coming.

      In Christ,



      • The Two Prophets can ONLY be men from the past who never saw death. Who are those Two? Elijah (not Elisha) and of course, Enoch. Moses died, so he can’t die again.

  60. People who are convinced that the rapture is going to take place before the great tribulation, because that is what they were taught all their lives. They are the ones who will be the most unprepared to survive on this Earth under the conditions that are described in the bible. Especially if the US falls under a one world government system. Long story short, don’t cherry pick and believe only the verses that you want to believe. All Christians have a duty to be prepared, so they are in a position to help family members and friends who chose to believe in false teachings. But then again, Christians are said to be the ones who will be delivered up to the antichrist. And in that day, you won’t be able to trust anyone including family members. Realistically, no one wants to hang around for all of that to take place. But the bible teaches that it must first take place.

    I believe in the word that Pastors Irvin Baxter, Jim Bakker and Arnold Murray all teach. We should not expect to be raptured off the face of this Earth just because of all the horrible mayhem that will take place including: droughts, widespread food shortages, uncurable viruses and diseases like cancer, WWIII breaking out in the Mideast, natural disasters and unstable, extreme weather. And because the man of perdition is due to show up and possibly become the dictator of the entire world.

    A perfect example of a faithful Christian preparing to endure rough times on Earth is Noah. He was still living on Earth and survived a torrential flood that killed everyone on Earth except his family. Because he obeyed God and built a giant ship. Noah endured to the very end and we can too. Especially if we have the promise of everlasting life, if we aren’t able to survive the great tribulation.

    • GODS word makes it sound like people will survive The Tribulation because he wants them to, not because they were prepared. The Bible says “Prepare to Refuse The Mark And Die”. This is when new Christians will have to earn their salvation in the face of death,because the age of Grace ended with The Rapture.

      • This is a more correct viewpoint in understanding the post rapture d church. There is a lot of so-called Christians that don’t have Jesus , could very well be here during the tribulation, realizing that the church is gone the truth will spread while deception gets stronger. Blessed are those who stand watch for the coming! And I could quote all the scriptures to back what I mean, but to feel the truth laid in the heart from the spirit is decisive. This single event could lead the world to seek the leader to rule for the period of time til the second coming with his army of believers the Church the bride.

      • I would like to know why you think I would fall into the deception, when I listen to the unvarnished word of God almost every day. From a small group of wise prophets and pastors who have been studying the bible for decades or receiving messages from God. If I don’t survive the 5 month or 3 1/2 year rein of the antichrist, I trust that God will have a plan or destiny for me that can’t be overwritten by any man, or evil entity.

        • Amen nothing shall separate us from the love of god neither past nor present no power or principality neither height nor depth.
          King David said also whether he made his bed in heaven or in the pit he knew god was with him. Paul said whatever situation we are in to be content. Not to many Christians that can be this way.

        • I believe you will be taken with the rest of us in pre-trib rapture and I’m not gonna argue it any more. The truth is visible in the word and obvious many interpretations. REV. 3:10 sums it up, we will be gone. People that say why do Christians believe they deserve to be kept out of the trials, are deceivers. I’m not saying I’m special, but to keep faith being faithful and salvation through the son by God’s grace, at that time he promises true believers to be taken OUT of this world. Unless you want to stay behind, I’d rest in the blessed hope. What its come to is those that believe in pre-trib will be gone because thats what they feel in their hearts, and those for post -trib be here til the second coming when Jesus sets his feet on the Mount of Olives, or be a martyr during trib.

          • Revelation chapter 10 verse 3 is referring to a specific church that John wrote a letter to those were real churches and his day they were not metaphorically used for us today

          • Your absolutely right Patrick. The devil doesn’t want anyone, especially parents to feel comforted, and unafraid for their childrens safety[who have not had enough life experience to build their faith for such an awful event]] when they see sure signs of The Tribulation approaching.The devil does everything he can to increase and prolong worrying,and would not have someone believe in something that provides comfort to ones mental state. By believing in The Rapture, we don’t have to scratch out certain scriptures from Christ concerning the comforting message that we are to share with each other, and 1Thessalonians 4:18 and chapter 5 doesn’t have to be omitted from the book, and when you read this chapter it does not seem like GODS people are enduring The Tribulation just
            before Christ comes for them.

          • The letters to the churches are prophecy. One of the layers of the writing is the churches through the ages. the Philadelphia church is the 6th church in history and is a message to the churches round the 1800′s where there was lots of evangelizing of the world and revivals. They don’t have to go through the hour of trial

            the last church 7th, laodicea are the end time church they are rich and don’t rely on God many of them are luke warm and not on fire for God. They do have to go through the hour of trial.

            Pre rapture people are wrongly using that piece of scripture as literal when it is a piece of prophecy of the church of Christ till the end time.

            It is quite clear we are being raptured on the day of the 2nd coming to meet Christ in the air.
            God bless

  61. Jesus fulfilled the first 4 Feasts to the day that they happened (Passover/Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and Pentecost). Because there are always two days happening on the Earth at any given time, and the Jewish days start and end at 6 PM each, it is not surprising that the Bible says we will not know the DAY or the hour, but the timing, the season, I believe, will happen on a Jewish Feast Day – The Feast of Trumpets.
    If you have read the ‘Four Blood Moons’ by John Haggee, you will know that the rapture could very well happen this year 2014 or next year 2015 on the Feast of Trumpets. God is giving us clear signs in the Heavens that we are clearly in the ends times.

    • Don’t be fooled by the blood moons….John Hagee copied these ideas from another man. The church now has a new Revelation that we all can follow….just follow the bouncing blood moon which has no Revelation at all. You need to study the scriptures instead of some novel which has no way of understanding it.

  62. I personally believe that to have knowledge of future events will help to remould our lives and prepare us for such events. It is not too important however to know all the details and the time appointed for such events as to know and believe that such event will surely happen. It is important that the coming of the son of man do not take any believe unawares.
    However as to the people seeing the church go, the book of Matthew 24:40,41 has this to say; ‘Then shall two be in the field: the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill: the one shall be taken, and the other left.’ Inferred in this passage of the Bible I deduced illustrates a situation where the one does not know when the other is taken but only suddenly turning around and finding the person no longer with him or her.
    Meanwhile the issue is for people to know assuredly that Jesus will soon come again and take the believers out of this world to be with Him.

    • Could this passage also mean that the antichrist arrives to take the Christian away? Depending on our destiny, we will make it through being delivered up or we won’t. But either way, if you are a true believer in Christ, you have nothing to worry about.

  63. I do believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. The name rapture which means catching away is in the Latin Vulgate Bible: “rapturtimor!” In 1Thessalonians 5:9, it states we are not appointed to wrath but to receive salvation through the blood of Jesus!” Also in Revelation 5:8: And when he(referring to Jesus) had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
    Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; This is making a statement that the Christian Church is already been caught up in heaven. Where we will get our crowns at the judgment of our works and where we will occupy our mansions that Jesus has prepared for us,(St. John 14) before we return to earth with Christ at his second coming on white horses dressed in clean linen which is the righteousness of the saints. The elect that the angels reap are those that have accepted Christ after the church has gone and have kept themselves from the mark of the beast and the Jews too who have finally realized Christ is the Messiah during the tribulation period. The tribulation is the time of Jacob’s trouble’ not the church( Jer 30:7)! The Church, Christ’s bride are safe in heaven having walked with Jesus and denied the world, we will not suffer with the un-saved;that is why Jesus is our Salvation, our Savior from the temptation that will come upon all flesh to try them who have denied Jesus and enjoyed the world in their sins.

    • That is correct we are not appointed unto God’s wrath but however if you read in revelations chapter 12 it is Satan’s wrath not God’s wrath and will not suffer the battle of Armageddon. and the pouring out of the vials are God’s wrath and that is not what we will suffer but we will suffer Satan’s wrath which is everything else.. Satan’s wrath is found in Revelation chapter 12

  64. In Matthew Jesus told his 2nd coming not the rapture, rapture will take place before the tribulation. It will take very quick.

    • That is correct we are not appointed unto God’s wrath but however if you read in revelations chapter 12 it is Satan’s wrath not God’s wrath and will not suffer the battle of Armageddon. and the pouring out of the vials are God’s wrath and that is not what we will suffer but we will suffer Satan’s wrath which is everything else.. Satan’s wrath is found in Revelation chapter 12

      • You are correct in chapter12 of Rev.12. The devil and his angels were kicked out of heaven at the middle of the tribulation,The last 3 and half years is called the great tribulation, Because The devil and his angels plus The Lord Jesus Christ pouring out wrath, Matt.24:21 explains it,Christ is trying to get the people to REPENT= Change your mind about Christ. In REV. 6:17 it talks about the wrath, but it is talking about the tribulation wrath. Read my article at the bottom, scroll all the way down. FRIEND IN CHRIST RANDALL

  65. Do you believe the rapture can come this year 2014? I was told by Dr. Jack Van Impe, John Hagee four blood moons that Jesus can come in the rapture this year in April the first of the four blood moons. I was also told by Dr. Jack Van Impe that Jesus can come in 2014 or some months after. I was told by a prophet of God that Jesus will come on Rosh Hashasna by 2014-2018 Rosh Hashasna falls every Sept 3 of the year. I also believe that Obama is the antichrist ( Obama will force Isreal into a peace treaty with the Arabs during the 7 year tribulation period), the false prophet I and Dr. Van Impe believe is the current pope pope Francis do you agree? This is mentioned in the book of Daniel,and the book of Revelation. I believe WW111 will happen around 2015 I received this knowledge from a jewish prophet on Sid Roth’s program “It’s Supernatural.” All nations will fight to destroy Isreal, what prophetic significance does the US fit into this? Also I believe Armagddon will come right after WW111 when Russia (Gog of Magog) will with her allies ( the Chinese the 200 million man army, the Arab nations, Ethopia, Lybia, Germany (Gomar),Turkey (Tubuls) will all try to destroy Isreal ( antisamatism, trillions of dollars of oil under Isreal’s red sea Ezekial 38,39). What is your Bible answer,and position on this Dr. Baxter? What is Obama’s image? I know what the mark of the beast is a computer chip implanted in everyone during the 7 year tribulation period;but the image of the beast ( antichrist) you have to tell me Dr. Baxter? What prophetic signifance does the Temple Mount in Jerusalem have to do with this rapture generation,and the 7 year tribulation period? Where is the US, Great Britian mentioned in the Bible? Please clearly explain to me Dr. Baxter the end time ( our generation) knowledge of the books of Daniel,and Revelation?

    • Before the rapture there will be more of a falling away, 2Thessalonians 2:3, not more bible knogle, in the tribulation you will have more bible knogle, the 2 wittness and the 144 thousand’s Jews, The Holy Spirit is lifted from being the restrainer but not for salvation, The HolySpirit will still be doing minstery work. Read my article at the bottom. IN CHRIST RANDALL

  66. Gary:
    Jack VanImpe is a bit unnerving to watch. Whenever he quotes the scriptures, it is very fast and he seems to be out of breath towards the end of reciting the scriptures. The fact that he leaves words out of the scriptures that he quotes is not all that surprising. And his finger wagging, low simmering anger seems to be the opposite of what a real Christian teaches. Then his wife Drexella chimes in with that twinkle in her eye and in that sing- song voice of hers.

    Are they false teachers? I don’t watch them enough to know. I would have to record their show and hit the pause and resume button, with my bible in hand to know for sure.

    If anyone on her is interested in preparing yourselves for what the bible states lies ahead, watch The Jim Bakker show, The Sheperds Chapel and ofcourse End of the Age with Pastor Baxter, on Dish Network.

    God Bless,

  67. It is my understanding that one believing in the pre-tribulation rapture could cause them to fall away from faith altogether if he or she is faced with the tribulation to come, never being taught or knowing what the bible actually says.
    This may also make them susceptible to the deception of the antichrist.

  68. Forgive me, In my previous post replace “trump” with “seal”.
    Also I want to correct and say that the seating of the antichrist in the temple and the abomination of desolation mark the beginning of the Great Tribulation, and the opening of the 7th seal and Christ’s coming as the end of this period(which is thought to be about 70 days.)
    This correctly puts the time for those to flee from Judea when the abomination of desolation is set up.
    Sorry, and thank you for your forgiveness.

  69. If one uses a bible faithful to the original scriptures(original KJV for example), their is little need to speculate about what it says about the end times. And what appears speculative, is there by purpose as it states that the wisdom will increase in the end times. True Christians will be able to learn, see and understand as this time unfolds.

    The key event to look for is an operating temple on the temple mount, then desecration of that site with the presence of the antichrist.

    At that point we will already have been through 3-1/2 years of tribulation(first 6 trumps) corresponding with what Jesus spoke of: events(as a woman travailing in birth); wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, etc. exponentially increasing in magnitude and severity as the antichrist rises to power.

    When the antichrist is seated on the temple mount, as head of the new world order, he will be given by God 3-1/2 years to reign over the earth.

    He then will try to kill off all those in Judea under the covenant of Abraham and Jacob(who is Israel by name), who follow the teachings of the Torah driving them off under the watch of God(those in Judea flee to the mountains.). Many will be killed.

    (Note: This group not to be mistaken necessarily with those that call themselves Jews or those currently in power over the State of Israel. The inhabitants of the State of Israel as defined by the State itself can not be defined as Jewish or of the tribes of Israel.)

    This is the beginning of “The Great Tribulation” (as opposed to the first 3-1/2 years of tribulation spoken of earlier), and it will end with Christ coming to get his people.

    (Note: So “The Great Tribulation” is the period from the seating of the antichrist in the temple to the setting up of the “abomination of desolation”, also on the temple mount, and thus the coming of Christ at the 7th trump. That time period is thought to be about 70 days).

    The antichrists attention will turn to Christians and begin wholesale killing by the and many will be beheaded(mark of the beast, etc.)

    This is the point where it is stated that; for if these days were not shortened, no flesh shall be saved, but for the Christians sake these days shall be shortened. And it is shortened by the arrival of Christ at the 7th trump.

    Immediately after Christ takes his Church, the “Wrath of God” begins. The tribulation of the Christians is over, and now is the concurrent bowls and vials judgement of those remaining.

    Unbelievers will be left to live under the rule of the antichrist for the remaining period and suffer the wrath, but will have the (protected by God) two witnesses and the 144,000 saints teaching the word to those who are willing to listen and hopefully be saved.(The saints are those of the tribes of Israel who have died, meet the criteria in the Bible and are resurrected for this purpose, such as are the two witnesses.)

    Anyone saved during this period(to later die) will be resurrected to the “white throne judgment” after the 1000 year reign of Christ and the Church in the new Jerusalem Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

    At the end of Satan’s 3-1/2 year reign, he will be chained in Hell awaiting the end of the 1000 years when he will be loosed for a bit, judged and thrown with Hell into the lake of fire, never to be seen again as will all other souls from Hell.

    Many other details of course, but the chronology is the focus.

    All comments welcome. Thank you.

  70. where in the Bible is the word rapture? I do see the verse where God states he hates those that teach my people to fly, (not pilots).

    • The word “rapture” is not used in the bible. It is a word coined to describe “the taking away”. Incidentally, you will not find the word “Bible” in the Bible.

    Immediately After the Tribulation…

    Those of us who have been taught a pre-tribulation rapture cannot read Matthew 24 without concluding that Jesus placed the rapture immediately after the tribulation of those days.

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31

    • That is referring to people that die in the tribulation, it says nothing about them getting saved during the tribulation and dying. It just says those who died in the tribulation (came out of).

    • I love your Ministry Brother Baxter and I appreciate that you will take comments that may be contrary to your teaching. God only knows for sure. He is allowing His Holy Spirit to be poured out in these last days. This is the most exciting time in World History. It’s good to be alive but, it’s better to be saved!

    • Steve, As long as a person is alive,( and without having taken the Antichrist’s mark) they may choose Christ as Savior. Rev. 20:4-6 says there were souls who had been beheaded for their testimony of Christ, who had not worshiped the beast nor taken his mark, yet they were brought BACK to Life, called the 1st Resurrection, to reign with Him the 1000 years. Vs. 6 says they ARE blessed and holy (saved)! You had to be IN the tribulation to not take the mark of the beast. Also see Rev.7:14

    • Steve, As long as a person is alive,( and without having taken the Antichrist’s mark) they may choose Christ as Savior. Rev. 20:4-6 says there were souls who had been beheaded for their testimony of Christ, who had not worshiped the beast nor taken his mark, yet they were brought BACK to Life, called the 1st Resurrection, to reign with Him the 1000 years. Vs. 6 says they ARE blessed and holy (saved)! You had to be IN the tribulation to not take the mark of the beast.

  72. Like children we are still seeking the path of least resistance. The tribulation will be the greatest time of church history and we unanamously want to check out, and go to heaven for a feast. Not! that feast will be in the New City of Jeruslem now located in Heaven. Daniel and Enoch states the people of God will do great things during that time how will that be possible if we are not here. Yashua said we would do greater things than He did during his earthly ministry, even greater than what He did. That has yet to be seen because it’s not going to happen until that time of tribulation when Satan is at his best and so God will be to. He promised to save us from that hour of temptation and He will as long as we don’t compromise and give into what the world will be doing which will be determined by the false prophet and the anti-christ.

  73. Revelation 20: 4-5 is the actual gathering, after the great tribulation. I don’t see how the church expects to be gathered before the Trib. in the mess it is in. The very 1st verse of Revelation states that all is to come upon the brothers of Christ. It was a “heads up” from the Lord himself. God is no respecter of persons rather jew or gentile we are all grafted into the real Olive Tree (Christ) there is no seperation we must all be cleaned and without spot or wrinkle and that is not the church of today or the Jewish nation as prophecy dictates they will be. In all actuality the Tribulation may be judgement for the unsaved, but it will be a wash and dry cycle for the church and the Jews alike. The church likes to claim Abraham as the father of faith, but at the same time seperates itself from the Jewish people who claims the same. Well guess what? Abraham is the father of the Jewish nation as was promised by YHWH. Constintine and the like was wrong by starting this seperation which is still in effect today. Instead of observing the family feast and festivals as God requires, the church is observing Idols and idol worship, Christmas, Holloween, Valentines Day, even Sunday the day of the week the church has chosen to worship God on was originally for observing the Sun God that’s why it’s call Sun Day. How can we foolishly think that Christ is going to gather us in this mess we have fallen into. Don’t think so, we might compromise and we have but God will never change and can not. Unfortunantly, most of the Jews are lacking because they fail to acknowledge Yashua as God intended for our sake as Gentiles they are blind for only a season but the church on the other hand, is lacking in the traditional feast and observances that God appointed for His people to observe instead of the celebrations the Gentiles hold sacred or special. So in essence the Jewish Nation and the Church are both lacking and incomplete as YHWH intended for He started the work and is faithful to complete it and only He can, but don’t worry that’s what the Tribulation is for to get us clean and without spot or wrinkle and that goes for Jew as well as Gentile. Wash and Dry cycle here we come!

  74. I’ve been searching the scriptures about the saints who are on Earth during the time of the anti christ. I’m convinced it is Christians, for aren’t we considered saints by Paul. My understanding is that the 144,000 are Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel. Examples of saints on the Earth: Rev. 6:11….until the number should be complete of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed as they themselves had been.7: 14 …These are they who have come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb; 12:17….and he went away to wage war on the remainder of her descendants who obey God’s commandments and who have the testimony of Jesus Christ.;14: 13…blessed are the dead from now on who die in the Lord! 15:2 …and those who had come off victorious from the beast and from his statue and from the number corresponding to his name were standing beside the glassy sea; 17:6 I also saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs for Jesus.;Daniel 7: 21 As I looked, this horn made war with the saints and prevailed over them. (Rev. 13:7-9)

  75. Jesus told his second coming in Matthew 24: 29-31. That is not a rapture. Rapture will take place before 7 years rule of antichrist.

  76. If all those who are alive and saved are raptured who will be left to repopulate to live here the next thousand years? I thought all who aren’t saved will perish at the second coming of Jesus.

    • Those who sit on the fence that have some knowledge of the Bible but do not profess it will go through the tribulation. Yes there will be much beheading, but there are a lot of survivalist who have prepared and will take to the hidden places to avoid the mark of the beast. These will be with Jesus and the saints for a 1000 years. It’s sad but after 1000 years a lot of them will fall away and when satan is loosed he will gather them and go against Jesus “for a little while”, then he and those that have joined him will be cast into the fiery depths of hell to burn forever. A thousand years can produce a lot of people, so he can gather quite a large army. Working Ancestry has taught me that up to 100 years ago, family’s had as much as 7 to 18 children. So it’s not that he will not be able to raise a large army. Those are my thoughts on the subject, be they right or wrong. Also, I have to go with the pretrib rapture as I understand my reading of the Bible.

    • Who lives into Millenium under Post-Trib

      1) Zechariah 12:10 The Jews who see Jesus step on the Mount of Olives then ask him where/how he got the nail marks in his hands. They put their faith in Jesus and are saved.
      2) Daniel 7:11-12 “Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. (The other beasts (kingdoms) had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.)
      3) Zechariah 14:16-17 “Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.”

      These versus show us that there will be survivors after the Day of the Lord when Christ destroys the antichrist and those that did take the mark of the beast. Not every last person on the earth will either die or take the mark of the beast during the tribulation.

  77. If seven year period for the Lord’s second coming starts from April 29 2014 then when will
    RAPTURE take place ?

  78. I am Catholic, and a true believer and follower of Jesus Christ. I attend Mass every week, receive the Eucharist every week. Why is that our priest never ever mentions anything about Bible Prophecy in reference to the end of days and the tribulation. Nothing, not a word ever. It is disappointing to me because I feel it is their job to get Christians prepared, especially since we are in church, the same ones every week. Sometimes I feel they think that life is going to go on like this forever, take your time to get yourself prepared. I am sure the congregation would appreciate this information, we are not fools, just put the tv on, listen to the news. I have learned so much by listening to Dr. Baxter, John Hagee, and they all make sense.

    • Lynn,
      I was baptized Roman Catholic. In the Old Testament, the priests would pray for the sinners and ask the Lords forgivness with burnt offerings. In the new testament, that changed when Christ bore the sins of mankind and shed His blood for us and then died on the cross. The vail was rent from top to bottom and as a result, allows the believer in Christ to come to Gods thrown and pray and ask forgivness for our sins. I John 1:9, ‘If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.’ The Roman Church Priest’s are still confessing sins for the sinners in the church. The only thing the Roman Church is leaving out are the burnt animal sacrifices. This is just one issue. The Roman Church is not teaching enough scripture. When the priest gives a sermon, he talks as if he is the authority, and does not back up what he is saying with scripture. The Word of God is the authority, not the Roman Church. Read the books of Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation. Ask The Lord to reveal these things to you as you read them.
      God Bless You!

      • Lynn, you have great insite on the Catholic Church. You’er questions about the church show much understanding on your part. Continue to seek….God Bless!

  79. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 1 peter 1:20
    a few things when understood help in decifering biblical eschatology:

    1 determining the audience addressed. the message to israel is significantly different than the message of grace to the bride of Christ.

    -the gift of eternal salvation is exclusively promised to the church age by the gift of the Holy Spirit, “who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession” eph 1:14 prior to the birth of the church age (pentacost) there was no permanent indwelling guarantor of our salvation in the old testament. also: “…the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption”-Eph 4:30 the church has been sealed by the Holy Spirit for good, when the restrainer is taken out of the antichrists way He will take us with it, or He would break this promise of eternal security.

    -Israel was under a covenant of law and has to this day rejected God’s offer of grace through Jesus. they are warned to flee judea when they see the abomination set up. the church is not warned about the abomination of desolation, but told to lift their heads for their redemption draws nigh. the church has responded to His call: “by grace through faith, not of works. Paul writes to the church in thessalonica that we (the church) “..wait for his Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.” we wait not for the antichrist but for our blessed hope The Christ.
    where as to the tribulation saints (those that believe after the rapture) they are to persevere unto death by rejecting the antichrist and refusing to worship him. In matthew 24 a context describing the tribulation, Jesus states: “But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved”. quite different approaches based on who is being addressed. if the church appears at all in matthew 24, it is in verse 31, where we are gathered by ANGELS (not Christ as in the rapture)”The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout…” and we are gathered from where? “the four winds, one end of heaven to the other.” I believe that in this case, we are coming BACK with Him. not being raptured.

    -The message to the church is that we should always be ready for Him to come as a “thief in the night” with the idea that His coming will catch those that He’s not coming for off guard, they won’t know what happened. they’ll wake up and we’ll be gone. the message to the world (without the church) is that His coming in judgement will be: “…as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.” the world won’t be aware of his “appearing in the air as a thief” for His bride; but everyone will see His second “touchdown/landing” and mourn when it happens. also for anyone on the ground during the tribulation they can know to the day when He will return based on the prophecy in daniel from the time that the abomination is set up in the temple. So the thief in the night analogy is for the rapture, not the second coming. differentiating between these two events of His second coming brings a new level of excitement to studying scripture.

    2: the church in philadelphia in revelations 3:10 is commended for their little strength to keep His word and not deny His name (Jesus), he promises to keep them out of the hour of testing, not present but not having to take the test, actually out of the timeslot “hour” of test. we won’t be here. on the other hand there are plenty who will not seek Jesus or trust His name until they go through affliction. revelation mentions a multiltude that get saved during the tribulation Rev 7:14 “these are the ones who come out of the great tribulation and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” these are the ones about whom it is explained how “they will not hunger anymore or thirst, the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat… and God will wipe away all the tears from their eyes” these were in dire straights because they had to go through the great tribulation before they came to Christ. When prophecying over israel Jesus spoke through Hosea due to their rejection of Him, He said “I will go away and return to My place Until they acknowledge their guilt and seek My face; In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.” the purpose of the tribulation is to fulfill the time of Jacob’s trouble, not to punish the bride (who’s sin has already been washed clean), He returned to His place when He ascended almost 2000 years ago, and Israel still hasn’t nationally acknowledged Him, but they will:) interestingly in hosea 6 it may give a clue as to when he will raise them up and they will dwell in His presence. (remember the clues from the psalm of moses and peter’s letter that with the Lord a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is but a day?)

    3: Historically, God has not focused on both Israel (wife of God) and the church (Bride of Christ) simultaneously. in the old testament the bride of Christ/Church was hidden as a mystery.ie: Eph 3. also as the church became self aware that it was in fellowship with God through Jesus and the non believing jews were suffering in their rejection, paul clarifies a difference in treatment for now. Rom 11:25: “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.” so at some point in God’s plan when the Fullness of the church is reached, (the last person of the bride of Christ becomes born again) israel will be allowed to see and to return to God through Jesus. this will be in part because of the witnessing of the 2 witnesses and the ministry of the 144000 that are sealed off through the tribulation period. these are specifically jews as revelation tells us from which tribes they come to be very clear.
    so i believe when the church is complete, God will again turn His attention to Israel and work to revive them as promised through the time of Jacob’s trouble, the great tribulation.

    -in Rev 6 during the 4th seal a rider on a pale horse who’s name was death with Hades following with him are given power to kill a fourth of the earth. the church cannot be on the earth during this time because Jesus promised peter upon his confession of faith that on that “rock” (Jesus being the Son of God) He would build His church and that hades would not prevail against it. again it is my understanding by comparing scripture to scripture that the bride of Christ is set to be rescued from the wrath to come and not to be here when God’s wrath begins to unfold by removing the restrainer and letting the antichrist perform his destructive role in the great tribulation.

    4: the trumpet Paul refers to as the last trump is the Trump of God. not the shofar horn or the trumpet of an angel. there are many trumpets blown during jewish feasts and the tribulation period, but none of these are blown by God or called the trumpet of God. only once in the bible is there mention of the blowing of the Trumpet of God, and that was on mt sinai when God descended in a cloud and gave His law to moses.
    it seems to be human nature to try and work our ways to pleasing God, or feeling that we need to do something or be punished for sin so that we can earn or pay back some of our salvation, but this is heresy! Jesus paid the price in full, anything we try to add to His blood is a slap in God’s face. Satan is the great deceiver and wants to keep us depressed and exhausted and miss out on the grace and freedom that Christ has set us free to enjoy. keep that in mind as you sort through the scriptures to learn more about the absolutely free gift that has been given to us as so great a cost. God sees us in the righteousness of Christ. it is because of His grace that we love and strive to please Him, it is heresy to think more punishment needs to happen to make us white. that has already happenned and Jesus said “It is Finished!”

    • This is a little long but I hope everyone takes the time to read and study. Pretrib rapturists always say that the last trumpet of 1 Cor. 15 IS NOT the 7th (and last) trumpet of Revelations because they know that if it is then the pretrib rapture doctrine is false. However, pretrib rapturists never prove through scripture exactly what trumpet the last trumpet mentioned by Paul is. Their only explanation is that there are many trumpets used in feasts and wars etc so it has to be one of them. You state that the last trump by referenced Paul is the Trumpet of God and that the only other time that it is mentioned is when God descended from Heaven to Mt. Sinai to give the law to Moses. Interestingly Christ descends from Heaven at the 7th (and last) trumpet in Revelations.

      1 Cor. 15:51-54
      Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

      Revelation 10:7 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer, but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets

      Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”

      1 Cor 15:55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”

      Then Paul quotes Isaiah and Hosea and says that these passages are fulfilled at the last trump:

      Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.

      Hosea 13:14 Shall I ransom them from the power of Sheol? Shall I redeem them from death? O Death, where are your thorns? O Sheol, where is your sting? Compassion will be hidden from My sight

      Paul could not have quoted Isaiah and Hosea and say that these passages are fulfilled here if there was a pretrib rapture 7 years before Jesus’ Second Coming because with a pretrib rapture there will be Christians dying in the tribulation so death cannot be swallowed up in victory as Jesus will do at his Second Coming

      John writes about The Great Multitude in White Robes who came out of the great tribulation and then says Revelation 7:17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’

      Look at the context of the Isaiah passage Paul quotes as being fulfilled

      Isaiah 24:21 -25:12 In that day the Lord will punish the powers in the heavens above and the kings on the earth below. They will be herded together like prisoners bound in a dungeon; they will be shut up in prison and be punished after many days. The moon will be dismayed, the sun ashamed; for the Lord Almighty will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before its elders—with great glory Lord, you are my God; I will exalt you and praise your name, for in perfect faithfulness you have done wonderful things, things planned long ago. You have made the city a heap of rubble, the fortified town a ruin, the foreigners’ stronghold a city no more; it will never be rebuilt. Therefore strong peoples will honor you; cities of ruthless nations will revere you. You have been a refuge for the poor, a refuge for the needy in their distress, a shelter from the storm and a shade from the heat. For the breath of the ruthless is like a storm driving against a wall and like the heat of the desert. You silence the uproar of foreigners; as heat is reduced by the shadow of a cloud, so the song of the ruthless is stilled. On this mountain the Lord Almighty will prepare a feast of rich food for all peoples, a banquet of aged wine—the best of meats and the finest of wines. On this mountain he will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers all nations; he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people’s disgrace from all the earth. The Lord has spoken. In that day they will say, “Surely this is our God; we trusted in him, and he saved us. This is the Lord, we trusted in him; let us rejoice and be glad in his salvation.” The hand of the Lord will rest on this mountain; but Moab will be trampled in their land as straw is trampled down in the manure. They will stretch out their hands in it, as swimmers stretch out their hands to swim. God will bring down their pride despite the cleverness of their hands. He will bring down your high fortified walls and lay them low; he will bring them down to the ground, to the very dust.

      Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

      Isaiah 25: The moon will be dismayed, the sun ashamed;
      Revelation 6:12-14 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place

      The Isaiah passage is a description of the day of the Lord and lists some cataclysmic natural disasters that will take place when the Lord returns. The Matthew passage from the Olivet Discourse lists the same cataclysmic events. And so does the Revelation passage talking about the 6th Seal. By showing how the I Corinthians 15:51-55 “last trump” passage is tied to Isaiah and how Isaiah is linked to the Matthew passage and Revelation passage which both describe Christ’s 2nd Coming, this proves that the Last Trump of I Corinthians is indeed the 7th Trumpet of Revelation which is when the Lord returns.

      I Corinthians 15:21-26 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the first fruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death

      Pretrib rapture proponents link 1 Thess. 4 and 1 Corinthians 15, so sense the last trump of 1 Corinthians 15 is a the 7th (and last) trumpet in Revelations when the kingdoms of this earth become the kingdoms of Christ then it proves that the rapture passage of 1Thess. 4 is not a pretrib event but a post trib 2nd Coming event.

      • I like your comments regarding 1 Cor. 5:55! I’ve never put that together. I am in agreement that we will be raptured at the end of the 7 years tribulation. Scripture is very clear! We won’t know the day or hour but we will know the season! Those who are ready will know the season, the “play church” Christians are the ones who are going to be surprised! They are the 5 virgins who ran out of oil (Holy Spirit) and didn’t study the scriptures to find the truth for THEMSELVES without influence from others.

    • Thank you Nathan for posting this, I was extremely happy to see to read this. We are the Bride of Christ and we will be taken away in the Rapture & He will return to judge the nations and we with Him.

      You statement above, quote “We wait not for the antichrist but for our blessed hope The Christ” Amen to that!

      We are saved by Grace, though Faith, not of our good works. It is a free gift of God. :)

      I hope that many would read your post and be enlightened and turn to their Bibles where they would find the truth.

      God Bless! Maranatha!

  80. I have a question that I posted and I haven’t gotten a reply. One was about the chip and where they found that the government has a time frame on when they will deploy it, and the other is what others think about the 7 years because I read 3 1/2 and 3 1/2 are they not the same years? I looked at this because the 3 1/2 years that was the ministry of Jesus that changed the world then that 3 1/2 years represents the same again.

    • The tribulation will only span for 3 1/2 years. The first 3 1/2 years will be rather peaceful but when the Antichrist reveals himself at the abomination of desolation the tribulation will begin (Matthew 24:15-21). I am not aware of a set date to implement a chip or the mark of the beast. God bless.

  81. If you are a born again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, If you have repented of your sins and received Him as your savior, you will go to heaven at death no matter what you know or do not know about prophecy. God does not require you to be an instant Bible scholar to be saved. However, He does expect you to “study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (1 Timothy 2:15). “As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, tha t ye may grow thereby.” (1 Peter 2:2).

  82. I would like to know what others think about the 7 years of tribulation. Because I also was taught that it is really only 3 1/2 years. The two are actually the same. One thing is that Jesus’ ministry was 3 1/2 years and it only took that to do what had to be done. Why do we think God should change and give satan God’s number 7. I always thought God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I would like others information. Thank you.

  83. I was brought up Baptist, but later in my early 20′s started going to a non denominational church that taught on the 2nd coming. I really believe that the way I learned then and what you say about it is rightl. The one scripture that people use about “he ” that will be taken out isn’t the church but the Holy Spirit. Which is another witness from the old testament that God says his Spirit will not dwell with man forever. I know that we the church or born again believers; men and women, are the bride of Christ and not the he. The Father God the Son God and the Holy Spirit God are always referred to as “He”. Sometimes I have a hard time getting people to see because so many want to believe that “God wouldn’t make us go through the great tribulations. What can I do or say to help others to understand?

  84. It is refreshing to read an article that states the bottom line: Believe in Jesus and get right with God. We can argue all day about the rapture, what denomination is best, etc. but at the end of the day these are “secondary” matters. Accept Jesus and get right with God, end of discussion. Good article.

  85. To Rmbrazzell: Jesus said to study to show thyself approved. Several places in the bible warns you about false preachers. Apparently you have been listening to some of them. Example 1st Tim 4 1-2 2nd Tim 4 3 You need to adjust your understanding of the word of God. Lets start with Job. He had a hedge of protection. The devil asked the Lord to take down this hedge and he would cave in. Job with stood the devil anyway and received a double portion. Now you need to read Rev with understanding. Rev is written to the overcomer. There are some of Gods people who have to die as martyrs and others who overcome. This is Gods purpose. Rev 6:6, 9,11, 7:14-15, 9:4, 15 2:3 and on. Look up the word suffer and see how many times we are to suffer for Christ. For the chip(This is a lie by false preachers) Does it say chip or mark. The mark is IN your forehead and IN your hand. What is in your forehead your brain. What it all boils down to is that most have been taught the antichrist is Jesus come to rapture them and they do his work. Gary

  86. First I respect everyone’s opinion.
    However to the post tribers how r we expected NOT to take the mark?
    Meaning RFID chip which according to the government must b implanted by 2017.
    There’s only one answer u can not buy sell or trade and risk beheading.

    • If you believe the chip is the mark of the beast then don’t take it or you will be condemned and subject to God’s full wrath. Bible warns all of us. It might be a good idea to learn how to be self sustained…prepper.

  87. I would always asks my self how could there be such a falling away stated in 2Thes2:3. How can people turn their back on God and their faith? Then it dawn on me…..if I’m a pre-tribulation believer and all he’ll brakes loose and I’m not raptured how I taught I would be then I could imagine myself getting upset at God which lead to falling away. Just something to think about.

    • I believe that the great falling away will be Christians that thought the rapture should have taken them out before all hell broke loose. Many Christians are being martyred everyday on this planet. What, are we so special that we won’t be tested or tried?

    • I believe that the “Great Falling Away” has happened. Happening now. I no longer go to church. We meet in our homes. A small group of us because the New age Christians do not believe the bible is true, many believe it is just made up of stories to make a point. Hell or the consequences of sin are no longer preached becuse it make Christians feel bad, and they already have enough bad in their lives. Jeol Olstean (sp) stated this new fact on a new interview. look at the thousands who follow him. He has also denounced Peter, Paul and other of the apolstels. When I sat in on a sunday school class with my grandkids, they are not learning bible stories. They play video games that teach feel good topics. Nothing about Jesus or bible stories. I no longer get to sing songs to my Lord. I have to listen to a rock band play music I do not know but Cannot understand what they are saying. Even if I could understand the words, the rock music is so loud I cannot hear. No true fellowhsip occurs, people come dressed in their pjs and sit in the sancuary drinking coffee and eating donuts. Nothing Holy is happing anymore. And I wish I could say this was just a few churches. But it is all of them. No true preaching of the word, no true worship occurs and if you do not believe me, go to church and try to talk to the some of the people about the bible. If you can even get someone to talk to you longer then just a brief hello. They know in part what the bible says. But they do not know what it truly says or who it is truly about. Many do not even believe that Satan is real. He is just a figure that is used to describe evil. Preachers have hired PR personel to help bring in more people. When we only need Gods word to do that. God help us, the great falling away is here. the Great Falling away will only be reinforced when the tribulation (as I believe we are entering now, if not already there) occurs and they are not raptured out, because preachers are telling them they will not suffer anything, they will be rapture before all happens. I think many more will fall away believing it was all a lie because they are suffering. Just as the thousands of Christians are suffering great tribualtion today in the Middle East. I long for true worship of our Lord, a holy sancutary, where true believer gather to praise God. Not a concert, where you just sit and watch and try to understand who or what they are saying, singing and worshiping. I am only 59 years old. I am not an old fashion old lady. I simply miss true worship, with true believers. I miss feeling like I have fellowshiped with other believers and with my God.

      • Oh my dear Debra….Please don’t say ALL churches are this way…I quote you, ” Nothing Holy is happing anymore. And I wish I could say this was just a few churches. But it is all of them. No true preaching of the word, no true worship occurs and if you do not believe me, go to church and try to talk to the some of the people about the bible.” end quote. There are churches that worship God in true Bible worship and I attend one. Please ask God to lead you to one for your dry thirsty soul….they DO still exist my sister! God’s Blessings.

    • Sir, you have hit upon perhaps one of the harshest aspects of the entire tribulation issue. It is harsh, however, only because millions of Christians have been taught to expect a pre-trib evacuation that the Bible simply doesn’t teach. I can fully appreciate your feelings about this, but this is no time to come undone. We cannot blame God if we got some wrong information. He has given each of us a Bible and the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth. I am aware of many wonderful ministers of the gospel of Jesus Christ who insist on a pre- tribulation rapture in spite of what the Bible does, and does not say. It is my position to honor and respect them as brothers in Christ. I have no problem with them; they are God’s servants, those who are, and, therefore, His concern not mine. Now, concerning the great falling away, this pertains primarily to a vast company of people who are “religious,” but not “born again.” There are thousands of churches who hold a loose identity with Christianity, but in name only. Many, if not most of these churches, already belong to a World Counsel of Churches where everything from the inspired nature of the Bible to the deity of Christ are being denied. When the mark of the Beast is issued, these will have no compunction about signing on (falling away) because they have never been a part of the born again church of Jesus Christ to begin with. On the other side of the coin, yes there are going to be quite a few bewildered Christians when they finally discover that there will be no pre-trib rapture. But that is nothing to lose your salvation about. Even though it may come as a shock, and even though many will perhaps get angry, the Bible declares that the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, the Lord knows them that are His. We have the Greater One dwelling within us who causes us to overcome the world. God knows all about it and you can be sure He is prepared to catch those who feeling like they are falling away, but we need to busy ourselves in prayer about these things. Remember what Jesus told Peter? He said the devil has desired you that he might sift you like wheat, BUT I HAVE PRAYED FOR YOU THAT YOUR FAITH FAIL NOT. Father, I pray for this my brother, that his faith fail not. In Jesus name…Amen.

    • Another place I totally agree with. I have even used this to try and explain to another minister. If the rapture comes before the tribulation and I am a born again believer then I’m going to heaven, Right? But if we have to go through tribulation how many people who aren’t ready going to say Why did we ever believe there was a God. and why did he leave us?. There are going to be a massive amount of people that will turn away from God and what they thought they believed in. That is truly the great falling away.

  88. I was always taught pre-tribulation however now I think different. One scripture that makes it clear that it is not pre-tribulation is 2 Thessalonians 2:3-5. Scriptures state “that day shall not come except there come a falling away (apostasy) first and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition who come and exhaust himself above all that is called God sitting in the temple of God (abomination of desalation). From my understanding the abomination of desolation will occur in the mid of (3 1/2 years) the 7 years tribulation. Base on this scripture it can’t possibly be pre.

    • Dear brother…If you read 1 thess 5 v 15-17 it says “for this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING of the Lord shall not prevent them”……”we shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air”. Then in 2 thess chap 2 v 1-3 Paul says “Now we beseach you brethren, by THE COMING of our Lord (same terminology as 1 thess chap 5) Jesus Christ and by our GATHERING together unto Him, (2) that ye be NOT TROUBLED, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us that the DAY OF CHRIST(not the COMING but the DAY of Christ) is at hand (3) LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU BY ANY MEANS (either by word, or letter or anything for that matter) for THAT day ie: the DAY of the Lord shall not come….and Paul goes on into that which we all know. My point here is that Paul seems to be trying to calm the fears of the thessalonians because some were saying that possibly they had missed the “snatching away”of the church and therefore had not been gathered to the Lord. Is it therefore possible that Paul is saying in effect… “Look…..dont panic you haven’t missed the COMING of Christ for the church, and are being gathered to Him, because the DAY of the Lord is not upon us, if it were then the anti christ, man of sin would have been revealed, there would be a great falling away and he would be sitting in the temple, but as this hasn,t happened dont worry, YOU KNOW the times and the seasons, your in the light not in darkness as the world are… when the DAY of the Lord comes, THAT day for them will be as a thief for THEY are in darkness that day will not overtake you, therefore we will not sleep as others do but will watch, we are not appointed to wrath so dont worry He will come and we will be gathered…just stay awake and live in the light” I beleive that this is quite feasable and does not say we have to witness anti-christ and all that takes place around it. Any thoughts?

  89. I am a little confused by your time line. I have always believed that (Rev.1:19) was the key to Revevlation. (Rev.4:1) After this, (The church age), That this is when the rature would take place before the seals, trumpets and vials. (Lk.21:36) tells us that we will escape the tribulation, by way of the rapture, first.(At least my thinking) The trumpets after the seals have nothing to do with the trumpet of the rapture. According to Clarence Larkin, this is the trumpet of the feast, one to gather, then the last to declare atonement. Maybe why some believe the rapture will take place at rosh hassanna. I appreciate you teaching. I am just trying to learn and understand. I have taught The Book of revelation many times. My sources have come from Dake, Larkin, Jack vanimpy, Oral Roberts, John Walford and others. I have never heard a veiw such as yours. Help me to learn my brother. God Bless

    • To Ken Green. I am sorry to say but you have associated yourself with false teachers. Mr. Baxter is as close to the truth as anybody. There is no place in the bible of a body changing except in1 Cor. 15 :52. This is at the last trump Rev. 10. Time is no longer. 2nd Thes. Ch 2 states the coming of the Lord will not take place until AFTER the working of Satan. In Matt 24 Mark 13 and Luke 21 It says after the tribulation then you will see the Lord coming in clouds. Look and you will not find the word coming in the plural (comings) except1 time in Ezekiel talking about the temple; Isaiah 11:11 and Hebrews 9 Says the Lord will come the ((((( 2nd time)))) to recover his people. Not the 3rd. Jack Van Impe will quote 1st Cor. 15:52 all the time but watch, he always without fail leaves out part of the scripture (the last trump). He also quotes Rev 4 as the so called rapture but Rev 4 is talking about I,I,I,I,I,I,I,I, JOHN coming up hither not the church. In Matt 24 Jesus told the disciples many will come in my name and deceive many. The word many means the majority. This is to say 2 out of every 3 preachers today are fakes.

      • I listen to Charles Stanley every day as he teaches how to have that closeness with God and his sermons are on all aspects of our lives and what God’s view is things. How to handle things God’s way and trust Him no matter what we face. His web site is wonderful. In Touch Ministries. Any problem you have it seems Pastor Stanley has a sermon on. Our emotions, our relationship with God and what He expects of us, how to listen to God, levels of our faith, etc and it’s all scriptual, not Pastor Stanleys opinion. He has helped me tremendously on hardships and trials in my life.

    • When I began my study of this subject in1988, it didn’t take very long before I realized that the picture scripture was developing before my very eyes was a very different picture than the one some really big names in the church was presenting. I wrestled w!with this issue for a long time. It drove me time and time again to the word. There was even a brief period when I actually thought and felt like I might be losing my mind .. After awhile however, I decided I would trust God’s word for what it me said and lean on the Holy Spirit for understanding. We must realize that no onee is empt from being deceived and we are also warned that many false prophets shall come in Jesus name and deceive many I hope you can even read this, the cursor is jumping around like there’s a virus in the program: think I’ll go debug. Just remember, the only personality we can trust implicitly is Jesus h while we love and respect all others

  90. I respectfully disagree with a post tribulation rapture. I believe in a pre tribulation rapture. I believe Matthew 24 is talking about those who are saved during the tribulation along with the 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel.
    Is Ivrin Baxter pre trib, mid trib or post trib?

    • One thing you must remember is that the “rapture” of living members of the body of Christ occurs at the same time as the resurrection of the dead in Christ. There is only one resurrection of those in Christ referred to as the “first resurrection” at the conclusion of events depicted in the book of Revelation. The second resurrection of only two resurrections indicated anywhere in the Bible is the resurrection of the unsaved at the conclusion of the 1000 reign of Christ. Therefore, as there is only one resurrection of the dead in Christ (at the last day; refer to the gospel of John), and the rapture of those who are alive and remain takes place at the same time as the resurrected dead in Christ, the rapture also occurs at the last day at the time of the first and only resurrection of those in Christ. There isn’t but one body of Christ. The people you referred to in Matthew 24 are all members of that one body. There is but one resurrection of Christians who have died in Christ and one rapture, or translation of those who are alive in Christ…at the last day.

  91. The Rapture- It’s really going to happen. That’s the good news. However, there are some readings that have been misinterpreted by accident or deliberate. If you really know what Revelation is saying, It’s at the end of the seven years of “Tribulation” Oh, and by the way, If the Israelites give the Judea land to the Palestine’s, the first day of the seven years …. starts. The Jews already have all the money to build the third temple and part of the plan to give up Judea is for the Jews to build their temple in Jerusalem.

  92. I have read many interesting articles about the feasts of the lord (bible holidays) symbolizing the fulfillment of prophecy. In fact the jewish wedding customs mirror rapture and wedding of the church with Jesus. Please take a look you will be very encouraged. I am pre or mid trib believer.

  93. You know? Irvine is right to say, no matter if you believe in pretrb or what have you, your salvation should be more important than when we will go. Just be ready. Studying , helps me see it clearly. I’m just thankful to be Saved. God bless.

  94. Translating from one language to another, and then another, changes the meaning of an idea. Therefore, quotes from the Bible cannot be completely accurate in interpretation.

    • I agree with you Jan. All versions of the Bible do exactly what you are talking about, except the King James Bible. The KJV is the only one that can be traced back to the original manuscripts and the first Christians in Antioch. All other versions are based on the corrupted Siniaticus and Vaticanus manuscripts. Please refer to: “The Answer Book” by Samuel Gipp and “Look What’s Missing” (from your Bible) by David W. Daniels. Both are available on Amazon.com.

      • Exactly. The KJV is the ONLY truly safe Bible to read. Just about all the other versions have been corrupted (altered) by Satan.

  95. The Olivet Discourse DOES apply to believers. Jesus was speaking directly to believers. His words therefore applied to believers. Peter, James and John along with the other disciples were His audience. He told them there would be a supernatural transporting of believers, i.e. a rapture. Theoretically, according to PreTrib theory…Peter, James and John would need to somehow convert to a PreTrib position once they had become the new leaders of the Christian movement…and thus would need to flatly contradict the post-trib teaching which they had received directly from Jesus.

    If Jesus had returned within their lifetimes (which was clearly the expectation of the first generation of believers)…would Peter have been raptured pre-tribulationally…or post-tribulationally as Jesus had told him point-blank?

    Furthermore, what kind of conversation could and should have taken place between Jesus and the disciples five days after the Olivet Discourse when He was now resurrected? “Hey guys– I know it was only a hundred hours ago or so that I taught you post-trib but, uh…now I’m saying you need to hold to a pre-trib teaching since you’re going to be the new leaders of the Christian church and of course, we all know the “church” believes in pre-trib. OK — gotta go.”

    Or something like that?

  96. If Christians must go through tribulation, that means we will have to be marked by the AntiChrist in order to buy,sell or eat. Then, once you are marked you cannot go to heaven unless you are decapitated. Can someone please clarify this to me?
    thank you.

  97. Response to Charlie Hunt..Church’s are not allowing the end time word to be taught. If we as the body of Christ would understand that the second advent of our precious Lord and Savior was mentioned more times then the first advent and use that as their hope, confidence and courage to seek those who are lost we would open our hearts to the lost and start doing what it is we have been called to do and that is spread the gospel of Jesus fulfill the great commission Matthew 28:16-20. Jesus himself never mentioned the RAPTURE..tho some say John 14:1-4 thats what He is saying. I do believe Jesus will return to receive us before the Tribulation starts but as Bethel said lets use the Rapture as a way and a desire to go out and win the lost. Over half of Paul’s ministry was talking about the second coming of Jesus so lets use that as our confidence to set people free and expand the kingdom of GOD the blessed hope in Titus 2:13 is just around the corner lets prepare and win as many people as possible. Jesus came to seek and save the lost the first time Luke 19:10 the second time will be to redeem those that have been set free.

  98. I just found this site and read the first comment below by Crystal Lyle. She is like so many in the Christians in the world today, they have confused tribulation with the wrath of God. God tells us in the Bible that in the world you will have tribulation. Tribulation happens every day, that doesn’t mean God is unloving. God has promised to keep us from His wrath at the end. We will be raptured before His wrath not before the great tribulation. And not to be rude but your first sentence says “I believe” I love you in Christ not even knowing you, but it doesn’t matter what you believe or what I believe. It only matters what God has said in His word. Hundreds of religions have been invented because someone chooses to take what they believe and make it more important then what God says.

  99. Got a question – I’ve been thinking about this this morning – will the rapture take ALL believers simultaneously, in the same twinkling ? The verse could be taken as meaning individually or collectively… If not simultaneously, over a period of hours or days ?

    Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

  100. I believe that we actually will be raptured before the tribulation, I don’t believe that God will allow His saints that chose to follow Him without undergoing the tribulation to be left behind. The tribulation is a time for the anti-Christ to rule and the removal of God’s spirit … i don’t believe this can be done with the saints still here on earth… If we were left here during the tribulation there really wouldn’t be tribulation at all. The main reason why this world is not going off the complete edge is because God’s spirit is still dwelling with man. Satan can’t run free and wild the way the bible states that he will if we’re still around.

    • rapture false teachings
      1. Rapture doctrine is one of the most recent “new doctrines” in the history of the Church. The only doctrine more recent is the invention of the sinner’s prayer for salvation by Billy Sunday in 1930, which was made popular by Billy Graham in 1935.

      2. The fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts to find evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed, with a single exception: Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a “pre-tribulation” rapture. However Edwards ideas, which he admitted were brand new and never before taught, had no influence in the modern population of the false doctrine. That prize to goes to Darby.

      3. Prior to 1830, no church taught it in their creed, catechism or statement of faith.

      4. Darby has had a profound impact on religion today, since Darby’s “secret rapture” false doctrine has infected most conservative, evangelical churches. While the official creeds and statements of faith of many churches either reject or are silent about Rapture, neither do they openly condemn this doctrine of a demon from the pulpit.

      5. While not all dispensationalists believe in the Rapture. All those who teach the Rapture also believe in premillennialism. Both groups use Israel’s modern statehood status of 1948 to be a beginning of a countdown to the end.

      6. All premillennialists, rapturists and dispensationalists alive today believe the Bible reveals the general era of when Christ will return. The date setters of the 1800′s (Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses) based their predictions upon speculative arrangements of numbers and chronologies in the Bible. Today’s date setters without exception wrongly believe that Israel gaining state hood in 1948 fulfilled Bible prophecy and that Christ would return within one generation.

    • you need to study history of what all the saints went through then and is going through now. they were not taken out but left to stand for their faith. It’s the western american church that is so determined to reject the truth about this pre-trib. deception! We must have a love for the truth or GOD will send us strong delusion to believe a lie and be damned who believe not the truth!2Thes.11,12

  101. In matthew 24, Alot of people on this comment board are confused with the “Elect” from the four winds. The Elect in the scripture is not talking about the church, but rather talking about Israel which is God’s elected people. The tribulation, which is also called “Jacob’s trouble” is God’s wrath toward israel so that nation can turn to God. Jacob is another name for israel. The rapture is the removing of the Church before God focuses his attention on Israel. God’s wrath during the tribulation is allowing Satan and his human counterpart (antichrist) rule the world with total destruction and persecution for those who wont take the mark of the beast. Those people that believe in christ and are killed for not taking the mark of the beast are your tribulation saints.

    • Dear brother…If you read 1 thess 5 v 15-17 it says “for this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the COMING of the Lord shall not prevent them”……”we shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air”. Then in 2 thess chap 2 v 1-3 Paul says “Now we beseach you brethren, by THE COMING of our Lord (same terminology as 1 thess chap 5) Jesus Christ and by our GATHERING together unto Him, (2) that ye be NOT TROUBLED, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us that the DAY OF CHRIST(not the COMING but the DAY of Christ) is at hand (3) LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU BY ANY MEANS (either by word, or letter or anything for that matter) for THAT day ie: the DAY of the Lord shall not come….and Paul goes on into that which we all know. My point here is that Paul seems to be trying to calm the fears of the thessalonians because some were saying that possibly they had missed the “snatching away”of the church and therefore had not been gathered to the Lord. Is it therefore possible that Paul is saying in effect… “Look…..dont panic you haven’t missed the COMING of Christ for the church, and are being gathered to Him, because the DAY of the Lord is not upon us, if it were then the anti christ, man of sin would have been revealed, there would be a great falling away and he would be sitting in the temple, but as this hasn,t happened dont worry, YOU KNOW the times and the seasons, your in the light not in darkness as the world are… when the DAY of the Lord comes, THAT day for them will be as a thief for THEY are in darkness that day will not overtake you, therefore we will not sleep as others do but will watch, we are not appointed to wrath so dont worry He will come and we will be gathered…just stay awake and live in the light” I beleive that this is quite feasable and does not say we have to witness anti-christ and all that takes place around it. Any thoughts?

    • Thanks so much for clarifying who the Elect is. The timing of events in the Olivet discourse was throwing me off. I was also having difficulty with how the catching away could be imminent if he said immediately after the tribulation the elect would be gathered.

  102. I had insight on something you said, which I need to go over scripture to make sure! Their is one thing I always believed, we are raptured before Trib.

  103. I keep seeing people saying that we will be in Heaven when the angel is sent to call the elect from the four winds in Matt24. Exactly where do you get the idea we will EVER go to Heaven? We will occupy the new earth when the New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven and when the saviour comes, he brings his reward with him. This is the place he said he was going to prepare for us. Heaven is God’s abode Earth is ours. He will be in our presence as he was when the Earth was new the first time with Adam and Eve.

      • Terri, that’s a great question. I can’t recall where it’s written exactly but Jesus said that those who die before his return will go to Hades. Since the bible was translated from Hebrew or Arabic to Greek, then to English, many people think that Hades means Hell, but it is actually a middle place, or a resting place. There are many theories on what that will actually be like, some believe it will be like taking a nap where we’ll wake up at the Second coming without realizing we’ve been asleep for so long; others think it will be another place between Earth and the place where God resides. Hope this answers you question. God bless :).

  104. Matthew 24 – Matthew is speaking to the Jews – while Paul was given the mystery from a revelation from Jesus Himself after He ascended to His Father. The four gospels teach the gospel Kingdom of God. Paul taught the gospel of Grace. Peter did not understand the gospel of Grace till the very end of him ministry. Besides it will be difficult to go Petra in Jordan if you do not live in the Middle East. The Judgement of Christ takes place in Heaven. The saint receive crowns in Heaven if you deserve one to five crowns. The 24 elders give all the crowns to Jesus in Heaven. The Wedding Feast is in Heaven. Christ promised that we will be caught up so that we will be taken to the Father. If you read Genesis from Chapter 11 to Eden it read like Revelation in reverse order. Enoch was raptured by God before the flood. Noah escaped the flood. Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by fire. Cain was marked like the anti-christ will do to unbelievers. Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. We are the Body And Bride of Christ. Would you hurt your bride with your wrath? God Bless. That is all I have to say. Good luck.

  105. While I do not agree with Mr. Baxters timing of the rapture belief, I do agree he is a very gifted teacher and has great insight into current bible prophecy. I myself believe in a pre-trib rapture and even see some discrepancy in the above article. In one place the article states, “Thus, the rapture of the church occurs just prior to God’s wrath”….yet just a bit further down it states, “Those of us who have been taught a pre-tribulation rapture cannot read Matthew 24 without concluding that Jesus placed the rapture immediately after the tribulation of those days.” Maybe I am misunderstanding something, but those two statements seem to condradict themselves. In any event, arguing the timing of the rapture was my intent here. I watch all of Mr Baxters t.v. broadcasts and i think he has a really acute understanding of where we are on the bible prophecy timeline. I like the simplicity but thoroughness of his teachings as they make it easier for those who are new christians to understand bible prophecy.

  106. Let’s not waste our precious time in argument on pri-trib and post-trib, it maybe a devilish weapon to distract d church. Rather let’s go out and win souls for Christ , live holly life, cos there is no more time!

  107. “the day and hour not known” was a Hebrew idiom for the Feast of Trumpets. Do a little research to discover what I mean. This also pertains to the “last trump” because the Feast of Trumpets is called “Yom Teruah” or the Day of Trumpet blasts. 100 distinct trumpet blasts are sounded, and the 100th one is called “the last trump”. So, on a future Yom Teruah, or Feast of Trumpets (currently known as Rosh Hoshannah) we shall see our Blessed Hope! Hallelujah!

  108. In the days of Noah not one drop of rain fell until Noah and his family were safely inside the ark. (Gen. 3:7-10). In the days of Lot not one spark fell on Sodom until Lot was safely in Zoar. ( Gen. 19:22-24). So tell me when God’s nature changed to the degree that he would allow his bride, the church, to go through the tribulation period.

    Also, if the church is not raptured until the end of the tribulation why does the Holy Spirit abandon God’s people midway through the tribulation? (2 Thess. 2:7-8) The lawless one is not revealed until “He who restrains is taken out of the way”.

    • If the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah are types of the rapture then it should be noted that the very day Noah entered the ark and the very day Lot was taken out of Sodom judgment fell, not 3 1/2 years later.
      The Bible does not say or even hint that the restrainer in Thessalonians is the church or the Holy Spirit. That’s the suggestion of people who believe in Pre-trib first without any scriptural foundation then try to make scripture fit their pre-conceived notion. I suggest Michael could easily be the restrainer.

    • Holy Spirit is never refered to as the Restrainer in all of scripture. The only place a restrainer is spoken of is in Daniel 10, and it’s talking about Michael, the archangel, or the prince of Israel.

      • Strange theat Mr. Baxter’s explanation to this same subject was “time” that time was the restrainer. Look back on past tv programs and that is his position. THe restrainer is the Holy Spirit. When all of the Christians are raptured they have the Holy Spirit with them. Praise God Jesus is coming soon!!! Spread the great news!!!

        • Even a rudimentary understanding of Scripture would reveal that GOD’s spirit will never be removed from anywhere. The idea that the Church, which cannot even stop gay marriage or other disavowals of the Christian tenets, is somehow holding back the anti-Christ is quite naïve. The church has almost no voice in the political discourse.

  109. It is incredible that so many can believe something that does not exist; the rapture. There is no word of rapture in the KJV of the bible and that is the version that is closest to the manuscripts. The whole thing is linked to one incident where John uses words that lead people astray, (1st Thessalonians ) where he uses the words cloud and air which are totally misinterpreted. The word cloud, when used by John means group, like a group of birds or a group of cows, or like here, like a group of people. The word air in this instance, means breath, meaning the breath of life, meaning the breath of life bodies. The sentence states that we will meet Christ in a group in our spiritual bodies when he comes to earth. No one is going to fly away like a flock of birds or anything else, we are going to stay right on the ground and meet Christ.
    If you read 2nd Thess. he even warns people of the way he stated it and they should not take it wrong, like most do.

    • Where do you get the translation cloud is group and air is breath? Why cant we be caught up in the clouds like stated: NKJV I Thessalonians 4,17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

  110. Can someone at ENDTIME please explain the scripture regarding the parable of the Ten Virgins? I would like to know Rev. Baxters thoughts on this. Who are the five left behind? Blessings?

    • The five left behind were those who did not stay ready. They were still described as virgins which means they were pure but the problem was they did not do anything. They became lazy and when the time was come they were unprepared. This teaches us that we cannot simply do nothing for God. We must be active and involved in His work. By working for His kingdom, we ready ourselves to be a part of the kingdom. God bless.

      • Thank you avandagriff….as a new and well, pretty much a ‘slacker’ Christian…that is motivational. I remember that section of the Bible…but never had it explained quite like that. Very motivational to me…thank you.

  111. I hv for many yrs believed what Paul wrote concerning “the last trump”.
    Also given what John wrote in Rev 11:18; where Christ is told, Now is the time….
    My issue here in Beckley is finding a church body that doesnt preach the pre trib theory, that I hv found, was started by John Darby in the later 1800′s.
    I was asked to do a Wed nite bible study at a church I had attended for several years. My study was on the rapture in relationship to 1 Cor 15:51-52,
    2 Thess 2:1-3 and Rev 11:18. I also used historical information dating back to Margaret McDonald’s prophecy and John Darby.
    Needless to say, in that Baptist church it wasnt received very well, and I was never asked to prepare another study…..lol
    Lords blessings my brother and friends.

  112. I have never spoken in tongues but if it were so everybody would do it and the Lord would provide it. I do believe that Baptists: Pentecostals : Protestants and other born again Christian churches would all preach that unless we speak in tongues we will not go to heaven: Jesus told me in the bible that ask him into your heart and repent: if it were so all preachers would tell you right? I don’t doubt where I am going but because I never spoke in tongues doesn’t mean that I am not going to Heaven; because I am! I am saved by the blood spilled on Calgary! and that is all I need!

    • Speaking in tongues is a promise to every believer afar off! That’s US!! Read the book of ACTS carefully! It’s not of the devil it’s from God so why wouldn’t you want it. Blows my mind that Christians don’t want all that their father has for them to walk a victorious life! Blessings and RECEIVE!


  113. All believers need to ask themselves this question: How many times are the dead in Christ raised from the dead? In other words, how many First Resurrections are there? If we study the Scriptures, we find only one.

  114. Dear Brother Irwin,

    I was always taught that the tribulation would be prior to the Tribulation. Up until last year (2012), as I was preparing a Sunday School lesson on the Second Coming, the Holy Spirit suddenly opened my eyes to see 2 Thess. 2:1, Revelation 14 and Matthew 24 and I knew that I had been taught something contrary to Scripture. I studied these three text’s in depth and I finally realized I was incorrect in what I believed and what I had been taught. When we read especially 2 Thess. 2:1 and Revelation 14, we can find to correct answer, and that is that the Second Coming of Christ and the rapture occur almost simultaneous. We must not pre-conceived ideas about God’s Word be a hindrance to believing the truth. Yes, we must be prepared at all times to meet the LORD.
    Blessings to you.

    • Dear Brother,
      You probably noted some typo’s in my previous comment. The first sentence should read: I was always taught that the rapture would be prior to the tribulation.
      Also in the last sentence I forgot the we must not (allow) pre-conceived.

      An additional comment: The elect referenced in the New Testament is the Church of Jesus Christ.

  115. I use to wonder when the rapture will happen, and I still think about it, but now, what I learned and what is the most important message Jesus tells us from reading the bible is, it is not when it will happen but to be ready for it at any day and at anytime.


  117. Pre-trib. Hmmm. I used to believe in it until I read the entire chapter of Matthew 24. Yeshua clearly answers the Disciples questions about “when” His coming will occur by giving the events that will precede it, then saying in verses 29 & 30,”Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days……And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man…..” He is extremely clear.

    To the question of how Believers will survive during the tribulation, as we will be cut off from the world’s economic system I say, the tribulation will force us to do what we should have been doing all along. Help and support each other. I believe (hope, anyway) we will share our talents and resources with one another. Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian–we will become ONE people. There is strength in numbers, in more ways than one. Then, and only then can Yeshua return for ONE church. United.

    TOUCHE’ to the poster who commented there ARE people living, now, today, in other parts of the world enduring the very horrors stated in scriptures describing the tribulation.

    Per the pre-trib theory, Yeshua does not take 1/2 the Believers (as in a lottery system) then returns for the other 1/2. In this theory, those who are Believers are “caught away”, some unbelievers will become believers during the tribulation, they will be murdered (and join the “caught away” saints with the Lord) and/or tortured. They will join the others when Yeshua returns to battle satan and his forces. But, as I’ve stated, I don’t believe this theory.

  118. I agree with this explanation, but i have a question Bro Irvin the last trump mention in 1 Thessalonians 4
    and the great sound of a trumpet in Matthew 24: 29-31, is it the same trumpet calling for the elect or the catching away? Second, Immediately after the tribulation…is this phrase refers to the first half of the seven years tribulation or the last 3 and half years after/when antichrist declares himself God? please I need your explanation.

    Bro Plaza
    Hong Kong

    • The trumpets are the same trumpets and they signal the same event, the rapture and Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The tribulation is the final 3 1/2 years of the 70th week mentioned in Daniel 9:27. I hope this helps. God bless.

  119. If the rapture occurs at the end of the tribulation then who are the saint s that come back with the Lord I hear ministers say it will be the church but this couldnt be true if the church has not been taken away yet?

    • When the Lord comes back he will have an army of all the believers that had previously died and been in heaven with Him. At the sound of the trumpet (after the tribulation) the believers on the earth will rise up to meet Him in the clouds, just as the Bible says. This won’t take long, but a few moments. How long did it take Jesus to rise up into heaven in Acts 1:1? Same thing. At that point with the present believers from earth now “transformed” into our new bodies and caught up with Him in the clouds He then comes down onto the earth to wage war with the enemy and set up His new kingdom. So before the Lord comes completely down to the earth He first has His angels gather all the believers on the earth at that time, He instantly gives them their new bodies and physically brings them up into the clouds with Him and then they all go down together. Awesome!

  120. Revelation 16:15 shows when Jesus says; ” Behold, I am coming as a thief.”
    After the tribulation and also after the vials of God’s wrath.
    We are protected, for we have the blood applied.
    Deuteronomy 4:34 shows the plagues are described as temptations= Revelation 3:10
    We are asked to hide ourselves but for a moment, until his indignation be over.
    Some, he protects and carries them into the wilderness, but others are tortured and beheaded.

  121. I don’t try to explain the book of revelations because I read it myself and fear God all men are foulable and can make mistakes I’ve been wrong about a lot of things since I started serving Him thank God for His mercy but I know what the beginning of the book says God is not a man that He should lie. Its not about me being right.its about me being right with Him.He is Good and His ways are not ours.

  122. rev chapter 11 puts the two witnesses at Jerusalem at the very end of the sixth trumpet.as the seventh trumpet sounds verse 18 says its time to judge the saints. I see the rapture in this verse and the church still her at the end of the sixth trumpet

    • i cant understand how there could be a post trib there couldn’t be true believers here because there would be to many here to warn about the great deception plus its the rapture of the church that will be used as the reason to follow the antichrist he uses that the disappearance of millions to convince everyone that he is there savior and if you read a bible your the enemy who sides with satan if there where true believers left then it wouldnt be so many taking the mark

  123. The word “Rapture” is not in the Bible, but the Hebrew and Greek word is “caught up”, where we get rapture.
    1 Thes 4:17 describes how it happens. First the dead in Christ shall rise, then we who remain will follow them and forever be with the Lord. Then it says to comfort each other concerning this, which leads me to believe we have nothing to worry about with enduring all the horrific things, otherwise we would be warned and not told be comforted by the process.
    In the Book of Revelation, the church is not mentioned after Chapter 3, so the lack of mention of the church through all the end time events should speak volumes. If the church were involved to endure the Tribulation, why aren’t we mentioned again until after all the trumpets/bowls/wraths, etc? :) In fact, John is “caught up” at the beginning of Rev 4, in his vision when he sees it all happen as well. Which, describes 1 Thess 4:17. Just something to ponder :)
    The Bible does not contradict, but validates through Scripture :) It is a fun study!!

    • I think a question needs to be asked? What is the wrath of God? I believe the wrath of God and/or the pouring out of His wrath, is the tribulation and great tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 teaches us that we have not been appointed to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe scripture is teaching us in Matthew 24:29-31 the tribes of the earth will morn for they dread the Messiahs return to earth who will rule and reign for 1,000 years. As in Revelation 19: 11-16 Messiah is returning with the saints as He has gathered them from one end of heaven to the other to rule with a rod of iron…on the earth (millennial reign). Q: What reason would Messiah need to Rapture those on the earth when He is returning to the earth to reign with a rod of iron? In 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Could it be that those on the earth who survived the tribulation and were saved during the tribulation are changed from corruptible to incorruptible in an instant (in the twinkling of an eye) when Jesus returns to rule with a rod of iron on the earth? 2 Thessalonians chapter tells us there is going to be a great falling away from the faith and then the son of perdition (the Anti-Christ) shall be revealed. Because there will be those who will not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved, they shall be sent a strong delusion to believe a lie that they all might be damned. There will be those that are saved during the tribulation but many will curse God and refuse to repent. Holy Spirit, lead us into all truth as the Word of God was given that we might see, hear and discern what our Great God wants us to know. In Jesus Mighty Name, AMEN!

      • “1 Thessalonians 5:9 teaches us that we have not been appointed to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

        Is the opposite of salvation GOD’s eternal wrath or tribulation wrath? It clearly is eternal wrath and the referenced passage has nothing to do with the great tribulation.

  124. Irvin, on a rescent program you had mentioned that the translation of Sadam Hussein name was “the destroyer”. I am unable to confirm this translation. Would you please provide the resource that you used to confirm this? Thanks for your help. I watch your show regularly and find you very insightful.

  125. to me this verse in matthew proves pre trib-rapture because how can he gather his elect from one end of heaven to the other if they are not in heaven yet, also in another area, it says he will bring his saints with him, to i believe, it talks about the war.and i dont think we will have to go thru the GREAT TRIB it talks about because he didnt let his other saved children go thru it, Noah, Lot and others. i have been reading tonight of the implementation of the rfid chip started testing in wyoming, manditory starting in 2014with people born before 196? and the rest born after that date in 2017 but like everything else it might change tomorrow

    • Remember in Moses day, the children of Israel were not taken from Egypt when the plagues came upon the Land. They were there the whole time. But they were protected! So too in the tribulation time for God’s people there will be protection and places of refuge. But also there will be persecution and martyrs. Some will die and many will experience divine protection. Do we not also see this happening in natural disasters? Some believers die and then there are many stories of divine protection. And during the Tribulation we specifically read of those who have invisible the seal of God and they are not touched by some of the torments of that time (Revelation 9:3,4).

  126. Question: If we have a post trib rapture, wouldn’t we then be able to know the day it will occur and wouldn’t that contradict scripture? Seven years in a Jewish calendar is how many days? Of course, we then would have to know the beginning of the tribulation and I’m sure prophecy scholars would be able to tell us that. And if the rapture is at the end of the trib, will we be called up to meet Him and immediately turn around and go back to earth with Him as we watch Him defeat all evil? When does the Marriage Supper of the Lamb take place and how much time should that take?

    • We will know the “approximate” time (Not the day nor hour) of the Lord’s return because of the events that will be enfolding at that time plus also the Holy Spirit giving His people revelation and understanding of these things. A key event will be when the Antichrist begins his reign. When he starts doing the specific things the prophecies predict he will do we will not have any doubt it is him. As we best understand it now, from the middle of his reign when he breaks treaty with Israel it will be 3 1/2 years till the Lords return. Also, don’t forget as the time draws nearer to the attentive believers He will make it clearer. And does not the scripture also say, “Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the prophets.” (Hosea 7:1)
      We will never know the day nor the hour but in those very last days those remaining will have a very good idea of the approximate time. And it won’t come soon enough! God hasten the day!

  127. It makes more sense to me that the Lord will come before the world has to take the mark of the beast because, for instance, homeowners will not be able to pay their property taxes, renters will not be able to pay their rent without the mark. So, if you don’t take it, they will kick you out of your homes. How can anyone take care of their families? So, how could they do exploits if they’re out on the street curb trying to stay alive and keep their families alive??? It would be a better witness to unbelievers to see believers “leaving the planet!”

  128. I would like to say that it is more understandable of a post trib rapture. However, it is not clear to me when Jesus will wage war, as soon as the rapture occurs will the church is make war with Him? Also, it is of great concern that the Bible says, scarcely the righteous will be saved. This statement continues to make me wonder if I am in Christ and have His righteousness and if there is some way to be self deceived!!

  129. I’ve always found Irvin Baxter’s teachings to be interesting. Having been raised with the idea that the ‘rapture’ would trigger the tribulation, I’m no longer convinced of this. (That idea doesn’t even make sense any more.) I’m sure all of us look at the future with apprehension. Still, looking at the United States alone, the horrendous moral decay (“as in the days of Noah”), an economic system teetering on disaster if not collapse, and now add to this ObamaCare … and, so I’ve heard, with Israel with the blueprints drawn to rebuild the temple … Still, that those of us that are true believers can ‘see’ the obvious doesn’t mean that the obvious can be changed. As I’ve watched one seemingly disastrous political event after another it truly seems that there is a great evil in control of pushing the world towards a one world government–global government control, a socialistic state to the nth … In my ‘spirit’ I’m reminded, “let not you’re heart be troubled”. Still, it looks to me like all hell is about to break lose and, it would seem to me, ObamaCare is the finger that will fire the loaded gun.

  130. The verses in Matt. 24:29-31 distinctly say Jesus sends his angels to gather His elect (the pre-tribulation, raptured church) “from one end of HEAVEN to the other” because that’s where we are when He makes His triumphal return at the 2nd coming, to earth … as opposed to coming in the clouds at the rapture. So be of good cheer; Paul told us to comfort one another with our blessed hope of the rapture in 1 Thess. 4:16-18; GOD DID NOT DESTINE US TO GO THROUGH HIS WRATH, but sent Jesus to save us from it and on into eternity. “I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world….” Rev. 3:10 So be part of the church of Philadelphia, part of the “great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb.” Rev. 7:9 “These are they who HAVE COME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION;” Rev. 7: 14.

    We shall meet Him soon, thru natural death or the rapture, but not thru a Tribulation death, IF we are under His blood NOW !! Don’t worry about the Tribulation, saints. Worry about leading as many souls to Jesus as you possible can, NOW !!

    God bless all.

    • It seems to me that the Great Tribulation and the Day of God’s wrath are two different events. I understand that the church will not experience God’s wrath, however, it seems that the church will be on the earth at the tribulation and that’s why they are described as those that came out of the tribulation. It seems that the tribulation is in the reign of the anti-Christ, mark of beast, etc.

  131. I, too, would like to know how Christians prepare for post trib rapture. Since we can’t buy, sell, or work, what plans should we make in order not to accept the mark of the beast? Will we know the mark with all of today’s technology? Could we accept it without realizing what it is? When we refuse, should we expect to be beheaded? Thanks for any info.

    • The subject of the Rapture get’s beaten up alot on this website. There are scriptures that clearly point to a Rapture of the Church. Mathew 24: 42-44 Matthew 24:36 and Matthew 25:13 to name just a very few scriptures there are plenty more. In Matthew it says over and over that we shall not know the day or the hour but the season. If you believe in a post trib rapture you have to throw all of these veres out for the post tribulation to actually work. Once the Anti Christ defiles the temple we know exactly how many days till Christ’s return. There is no more guess work or theology debate after that because we know exactly when the Second Coming of The Lord will be. God will send his son for his church and only the Father in Heaven knows that day or hour. Pre Trib Rapture 101. THe one big thing that Post Trib believers bring up is the last trump. Ok what last trump? If you will really dig deep and study the Jewish Festivals that God gave to Moses you will find that of the 7 feasts God gave they all hold prophectic meaning. THe first 4 feasts have already been prophectically fulfilled with Jesus death burial and ressurection. THe 5 th feast is the Feast of Trumpets. I ask anyone that wants to know the truth go study the Feasts. I do not ever want to hear date setters because that is a trap that Satan loves to use against the church. But we all know we are in the season of his return. Israel is back in it’s land and their they will remain. I love a good debate on the word of God but please do not take it personally and let’s do it with Christian love and concern for one another.

    • I believe during that time their will be a strong church revival, I believe Jesus when he says he will never forsake us, I believe there will be those that understand who will teach those that do not understand. Most of all, I believe God is still in control at that time and watches over the church! If we are delivered up to the anti-Christ, the Holy Spirit will give us instruction!

  132. I used to believe in a pre-trib rapture. I was taught that in my church growing up. I just believed what was being presented. And then i came across some very Godly men who believed the rapture came later in the tribulation. I researched the bible for myself in depth. Oh i believe in the rapture, just the timing of it is hard to pin down. I asked God to not allow me be deceived and i believe he has led me to the correct information. I now agree with Brother Baxter that the rapture could happen in Revelation 14. I also see that it could happen in Revelation 7. But i’m not going to argue timing. All i know is that I have heard it all and i don’t see evidence of a pre-trib rapture. Because of the way i see how Christians live their lives today, i think the the bride of Christ is dirty and deceived. I think the bride as to go through some tribulation to become spotless and worthy of Christ’s return for her.

    • My friend,we do not need to go through the tribulation to become spotless,none of us are worthy no not one except through our accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. As Christians we are spotless and white as snow because we have been washed in the blood of the lamb. THat is so awesome!!! God loves us that much!!!

    • I also believe the post trib rapture. I also believe that Christ is continually washing the bride and regenerating her. I believe that all things were known by Him and He is in control and will accomplish His purpose and continue to believe that true Christians with the indwelled Holy Spirit is in regular confession and repentance over their sins as we will not be perfected until we appear in glory with Christ at His return.

    • By saying we have to go through some kind of cleansing to be raptured takes away from what Christ did on the cross. There is nothing we can do. Jesus did it all!

  133. If the word rapture is not in the Bible why use it? It has an entirely different meaning than ” catching away”.

  134. He’s returning for ONE Bride….not 1/2 of her then coming back 7 years later for the rest of her. If anyone out there has any doubts on whether Christians will be in the tribulation, see if you can explain away Rev. 20:4-5. It talks of the FIRST RESURRECTION. Those who refused to take the Mark of the Beast or refused to worship the Antichrist are stated clearly as being among those that are in the FIRST resurrection. Since the dead in Christ rise first THEN we who are alive are next.
    And one final thing, it is VITALLY important on what you believe about the timing of the rapture! If you are among the Pre-tribbers who think they will be whisked away before the Antichrist is revealed and the mark is implemented…..then the chances are GREAT that you will continue to be deceived (by the same deceived teachers you listen to now) and take the mark…..hence, the “great falling away or apostasy” talked about in 2 Thess 2…. The consequences of doing so are in Rev 16 —-it’s not pretty and it IS eternal. Again, your very soul could one day be hinged on your belief NOW concerning the rapture timing!

    • I have seen many references here from several, about the “falling away” must come 1st…(2 Thess 2:3), as being believers who turn away from God. There are many who “profess” Christ as Lord, but know Him not. I believe They are the “great falling away or apostasy.” Not true believers. After all, God say’s there is
      NO-THING that can separate me- a true born again believer- from His Love.

    • L BETH, in the Bible in many places it mentions that we will rule and reign with Christ. Rule and reign over who? If everyone is in Heaven or in Hell who is left to reign over? THe tribulation saints the one that believed in Christ will still be alive on Earth. After Christ return at the second coming comes the moment when Jesus separates the Sheep from the goats. THe sheep the still alive Christians will live on Earth in their Earthly bodies and they will continue to marry and have children for the entire time of the Millineum then at the end of the 1,000 years Satan will be loosed for a short time and only the people who have not received their perfected bodies will turn on God. THe Bible says half will choose Satan over God after living in total peace for 1,000 years. So the Rapture is pre trib and then CHrist Second COming and then his 1,000 year reign.

    • (****intended to add the MAIN text of Revelation 14:9-12 to the Rev 16 reference above concerning the consequences of those who take the Mark.)

      • REV 3:10 Let it sink in! What ya’ll have to say of that! W e are to be prepared now! True believers at that time will be the ones to go and the rest that deny this issue will see!! along with those that fall away!

  135. Jesus told us that he had to go away so he could prepare a place for us in his fathers house! right now he is building us mansions to live in in the heavenly Jerusalem! He said and if I go I will in like manner return to receive you unto myself so that WHERE I AM SO SHALL YOU BE! This is the catching away of the dead in Christ and living to the marriage supper of the lamb in heavenly Jerusalem. Meanwhile back on earth the tribulation has begun!

  136. Yay, I finally meet someone who is saying the same thing as I have been saying for so long. We appear to go through half of the tribulation according to Revelation 14. We are taken away before the wrath of God is poured out on the earth. It says ‘here is the endurance of the saints’. We may have to endure some things we don’t like, but hey, are not people going through things in other countries because of their faith? Why should we not be tested like as they are in order to purify us. It will be a time of testing for those who bear the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Some will even be beheaded for their faith. Jesus said those who endure to the end will be saved.

  137. As one of the “generation” that may live to see the return of Jesus to earth…how do Christians ‘prepare’ to endure the tribulation period that will fall upon the world. We will not be able to sell/buy/be employed and, therefore, must have a plan to survive this period. What does your ministry team suggest for Christians that will be “shut off” from the economy of the world?

  138. Dear man of God I salute you in the Name of Jesus our savior and
    Lord thank you so much for the great work you are doing in the Kingdom
    of our father God I have been so touched and encouraged with the Work
    that Lord has laid in your Heart I am praying with you let God anoint
    you more and more am a pastor from Kenya working with Power Gospel
    Ministries My name is Pastor Chris Bera , it is my Prayer that one of
    this fine Days God Will allow you to Come in Africa Kenya to bless us
    May God Bless you .
    your Brother in Christ
    Pastor Chris

  139. what happens to the christians in other countries If Jesus only spoke of those in Judea to flee to the mountains what are we supposed to do are we going to be Beheaded.?

  140. Alot of Pretribers think the Trump of God Is different than the last trump blown by an angel 1st Thess 4:16
    and 1 corinthians 15:51 how do you explain to them

    • When studying God’s word we cannot think a single verse means something completely different since it does not include every little detail. We have to take all scripture into account. Just like you can’t look at a piece of a puzzle and tell exactly what it is. You have to put everything together to get the full picture. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 clearly says that the Lord descends from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. Another depiction of the rapture in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 says that the rapture takes place at the last trump. Matthew 24:29-31 shows that God sends his angel with a great sound of a trumpet to gather together his elect. So the common theme hear is this happens at the sounding of a trumpet but it’s not just any trumpet. From these scripture we see that it is the last trump of God. Revelation 11:15 records the seventh and last trumpet sounding. When this happens we read that “the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” So this is obviously when the Lord returns. Some still argue and say that the seventh trumpet is an angel’s trumpet and not God’s. In Revelation 8:2 we find seven angels standing before God and that trumpets were given to them. If only seven angels and God were there and the angels each received a trumpet then they had to have come from God. So the seventh trumpet in Revelation 11:15 is the last trump of God spoke of in 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4. God bless.

  141. Jesus told the disciples the time frame which them being of Israel understood! The big problem in the modern Church is that it, as a whole, has gotten away from the Historical roots of Christianity, which is Israel. Paul said that WE are grafted into the vine..i.e.- Isreal. Once you study the Feasts of Israel it will all fall into place! I had been saved about a year when I first heard of the ‘Feasts of Israel’ being God’s time table. Since Jesus fulfilled the first 4 Feasts–in the spring time, will HE skip the last 3–the fall feasts? NO!
    Actually, when the Disciples asked Him about the time of His coming Jesus said “No man knows the day nor the hour”. That was a direct reference to the feast of Trumpets. The Bible also declares that those who know the Lord are NOT APPOINTED UNTO WRATH, takes place in the period between Trumpets and Tabernacles!!

  142. What makes the pre-trib rapture so unblelievable to me is this…why should one generation of believers think that they are any more special that all other believers throughout history? Are we more righteous than the aposotles of Jesus or anyone else who has given their life for Him? NO! Believers will be the ones warning those who are worshiping the anti-christ because true believers will KNOW the scriptures and therefore be able to see what’s happening. It makes no sense to me that we be taken. Rightly divide the Word and use translations into the Greek and Hebrew – the meanings are quite different for much of the key words, which in turn change the text. I am looking forward to standing against the anti-christ in end times and helping those who are lost be snatched from satan’s hands and into eternal life with our Lord and Savior! The timing of the rapture doesn’t change our salvation – but knowing the scriptures will keep us from being deceived in the final days. God bless you all!

  143. When a (righteous) person dies (before the second coming of Christ), does the person “sleep” in their grave until called to meet the Lord in the air at his second coming,
    does the person go immediately to heaven to be in the presence of God?

    • I personally believe they are asleep, or in a place of paradise. I also believe those who have died after the resurrection are in a place of torments or asleep, but not hell yet. How can a person go to heaven or hell and not yet have been judged? How can the dead in Christ be raised up if they are already up???

  144. Who are the dead in Christ that shall rise from their graves at the Rapture? When we die do we all sleep until this time or do we go to be with Jesus in heaven? How many Heavens are there?

    • The dead in Christ are the saints how have already passed away before the rapture occurs. When we die, the Bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with The Lord. So we will be with Him. God bless

  145. Take heart all. You both may be right. First of all we may be at beginning of Tribulation right now. Afterall, Arab Christians and Tens of Thousands of Christians all over Africa and Middle East are being beheaded right now.Sept/Oct 2013. Pasture Saeed has been suffering for a year in prison. They are being martryd.The Lord did not promise we would not suffer.The first half will look like a cakewalk compared to the second half. I feel in my heart from the past 20 yrs of studying that we go through the first half but because The Lord removes his Spirit from the earth at that time when the Antichrist is revealed and since he promised the spirit will always be with us, we will go when the Spirit goes. Those left behind will be won due to the only ones with truth at that point which will be the 144,000 Jews. Most will be killed for their faith. The Lord takes them at His second coming. That is when he steps both feet on the earth and everyone sees Him. The catching away as scripture says, happens at a different time in the air before the second coming. There is no point in the Lord coming to earth for a second coming then meeting us in the air in secret the second before we turnaround and come back down with us and our horses back to earth for everyone to see. If the second half of the Tribulation is for judgement and punishment from which The Lord said he will keep us from the Hour of (we are sanctified and forgiven), why would He want to punish us anyway?
    The bible says God has chosen the foolish things to confound the wise and the weak to confound the things which are mighty. I Corinthians 1:27 Just because any Preacher or theologian says its one way or another, doesn’t mean they know for sure either. Get into it and search the Word with all your heart for yourselves. I flip flopped back and forth for years until I did this. I do know their are five Crowns given in Heaven, one being the Crown of Righteousness for those eagerly looking for Jesus to appear in the last days.( II Timothy 4:8). I came to conclusion, it doesn’t matter because he will be holding our hand I bet at the second we die anyway. It was amazing to watch my Dad talking to Jesus in tongues the whole day before he died. You won’t even know it happened until the second after it happened when your already with the Lord. Everyone needs to live in power while we are here and encourage each other to be strong because “Precious in the Lord’s sight is the death of His Saints”(Psalm 115:16) Get it – In His sight. He will be with us waiting and watching with each of us. At death, I don’t think we will know whether it was suppose to hurt or not.

  146. What are the thirteen verses in the New Testament that describe who the elect are? Dr. Baxter mentioned Col 3:12, Romans 11:7, Romans 8:33 and 1 Tim 5:21 refers to the angels but what are the rest of the verses?

  147. lets make this clear this is how I feel and may not be how you feel on this,all I can say is prove all things.
    you will often encounter the words postmillennialism,amillennialism and premillennialism.
    A postmillennialist believes that Christ returns to establish the Kingdom on earth after the
    1,000 years; an amillennialist doesn’t believe that the Kingdom is coming at all; a
    premillennialist believes that Christ returns before the Millennium to set up His Kingdom as
    described in Revelation 20:4.
    How do we know whether God inspired John Darby with new understanding? It actually
    would not be difficult to verify. Jesus said, “…the Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35),
    meaning Scripture agrees within itself.
    If the rapture were truly a biblical doctrine, it would mesh with all other scriptural
    references to Christ’s coming. But it does not stand up to that test,
    Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C.I.
    Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible, Read (Zechariah 14:1-4).
    The heart of the case offered by Darby, Scofield and their modern counterparts is based
    upon the English words “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word rapture comes from the Latin rapere, meaning, “to seize” or “to abduct.” It is
    translated from the Greek word that is rendered “caught up” in English Bibles today. The Greek verb for “caught up” is harpagesometha. Does it convey the sense of an
    abduction here? No, “[it] combines the ideas of force and suddenness seen in the irresistible
    power of God” (Leon Morris, Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, Revised Edition, 1984, p.
    94). 1 Thessalonians 4:15 amplifies the point: “We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
    will by no means precede those who are asleep.” I could go on and on how this is not the word of God. I do not want to be the first one to go,that is the 6th trump Jesus comes on the 7th Satan comes on the 6th. the bible says Prove all things and to test the spirit.Read 1 Thess:13-17. and do your own study on it,ask God for his understanding and his wisdom, not yours or any mans.

  148. I believe in the word of God with all my heart, and all my mind. When it says in Matt. 24 : 29-31 that God gathers us together right after describing the Tribulation then it’s not all that hard to see when the rapture is. If you have eyes to see and ears to hear you can understand Gods Word. The Holy Spirit reveals the truths in the Word of God. Ask and you will receive. The Word says we have not because we ask not. I ask only two things for myself 1. Lord give me a closer walk with You. 2. When I read and study His Holy Word that He burn the truths into my heart.
    We are hear for only one reason to glorify Jesus. Read the 17th chapter of John. God bless all of you . Jesus is Lord praise His Holy name. See you all in Heaven George Moberly

  149. Since the mystery of God will be finished in the days of the seventh angel (i.e. trumpet) Rev. 10:7; and this occurs in Rev. 11:15, who then is the “My people” of Rev. 18:4. Is this the Messianic Jews (144,000) or is this the actual record of the rapture itself just in a further chapter? If the rapture occurs in 11:15 I don’t know exactly who God is calling to “come out of her” in 18:4.

  150. What is the time period between the Rapture and the coming of Christ to rein on earth? I have read Revelations and understand the 7 seals. I would like to know when we rein with Christ, what will our role be in the a kingdom Of God? Will we cry Holy, Holy, Holy as the 24 elders did? Also, explain to me about the 144,000. I have always heard the Baptit preachers say they will or want to be in tht number. The a bible says that they are the Virgins of the earth. Are we part of the number that no man can number?

  151. Hi. The people that believe in a pretrib escape have been deceived. There are 4 words in 1 thes 4-16:17 that need to be addressed not just the word air. These four words are air, shout, clouds and trump. The word air means breathe of life or spirit not sky or atmosphere. The words shout, clouds and trump also mean spirit. In order to manifest the meaning you cannot use just the word air. You cannot find the words shout or cloud in the first 6 trumps The people who teach the rapture do not teach the 7 trumps in Rev 8-10. The first four trumps certainly does not in any way indicate a rapture. The fifth trump is the beginning of the 3 woe trumps beginning with satan falling from heaven. The 6th trump is the deception. What is left. The 7th and here all four words are manifested making 1st Thes complete. Guess what, when the 7th angle begins to sound time is on longer it is finished. No rapture just the 2nd coming. 2nd Thes states that the coming of the LORD will not take place till after the working of satan

    • Just something to ponder. I realize that the Bible says every eye will see Him at his second coming but people will disappear at the rapture and every eye does not see Jesus at that time. It is not the same event.

  152. Okay, so I’m Christian, and I believe in God, and I’m really angry that your trying to pollute any truth or happiness that people have with your propaganda. My questions are: Why would God be mean? I thought you believed he was forgiving and kind? Are you trying to be famous? On the news? Why would God, in his unforgiving radiance-send people to a place you call Hell? I just hope no one believes your church propaganda.{I’m talking to the guy who tells everybody their lives are worth nothing

    • I too pray for you Susan. God gave us a choice and we failed and chose the wrong choice. We sinned and were evil. Thanks to God, he sent his only son to die for us, to cover up our sins and gave us a way out of death.

      You still have a choice to make. Hope you make the right one. If you don’t believe there is a hell, then you are being deceived by the evil one.

    • Unless God reveals to you, you cannot understand or see the truth. Yes, there is a physical heaven and physical hell. And yes, we will spend eternity in one or the other. I pray you will ask Jesus to show you the way…because what you just said is very unchristian.

    • Obviously you have never read the Bible. God is giving you every opportunity to be with him forever now while his Holy Spirit draws you. After the tribulation and the battle of Armageddon you chose not to believe his word, that will be your unfortunate loss for eternity. Neoliberal to feel love again.

    • Hi. In reply to susan. Have you never read Romans 9:13 Jacob I loved Esau I hated. God wasn’t a wimp He destroyed 185,000 men in one night and countless other scriptures where he destroyed thousands upon thousands. The Lord told you to study to show yourself approved. He has rules and you better obey them or you are going to HELL.

    • You don’t have to ask anyone these questions. The answer is at your fingertips. Read the textbook. BIBLE. Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth. All of your questions will be answered. If you don’t like the rules take it up with God. God is the Creator and He makes the rules. End of story!

    • The 10 virgins are those who didn’t have oil in their lamps. The oil symbolizes The Holy Spirit. They weren’t filled with Christ.

      • Thanks mike, this was revealed to me thru study and now I get it. Kinda scary for a lot of people who may think they are ready when they are not.

  153. Oh, Dr. John R. Rice said, no one is to know when He is coming, so we will have watchful spirit that my Savior, we should say, He could come today, and we want to be seeking Him, and ready [for His will]. But Rice says there is to be an element of surprise, cause of the many warnings to watch!! We should say, My Savior could come get me today! I want to be ready!

  154. I’ve been detained awhile. tho’t to say, who was it said the he taken away – he that letteth will let til he be taken out of the way. Rev. Jimmy Swaggart says the ‘ he’ is the church. Being taken away is the Rapture. Who said that ‘ he’ never referred to the church. Just saying, Rev. Swaggart said lately, Eph. 4:13 Till we all come to unity of Faith unto a perfect man; Swaggart says here again, he calls the church [also] a man, a perfect man. If Jesus said no one knows when He is comin, then I just believe it is o.k. and since it is commanded we watch,I want my mind on Jesus, lookin for Him, don’t you, thankin Him all won’t die, but we WILL be raptured, yes when He gets ready, and we pray for the unfortunate, always remember them, you know, any suffering, or that may.

  155. we as christians should not bicker over the rapture in pre,mid,or post are job is to preach jessus to the un saved and let the spirit of god show the way. plus there will all ways be different interpatations of the word. pray for each sinner with all heart and fasting,too all my brothers and sisters in christ shalom

    • Dear Fred,

      Don’t let any man deceive you. People will worship the devil believing he is Christ. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come(The day of Christ’s return), except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
      Satan even tried to get Christ to worship him….
      Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
      Also read Ezekiel 28:1- 19 prince and king of Tyrus is Satan.
      So, it’s not bickering….it’s studying the Word of God, so one is not deceived. Over the last year, I have seen and am thankful to see more ministries teaching against the any moment doctrine of Rapture. Certain things must happen before Christ’s return.

  156. i am very happy that lord yeshoo has given you so much wisdom of end time thank you very much for making people alert and for blowing trumpet lord yeshoo will bless you and reward you thank you very much.servent of lord yeshoo christ amen.

  157. Irvin Baxter doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s talking about. The trumpet of 1 Corinthians 15 is not the same as the trumpet of Revelation 11. The last trumpet referred to in 1 Corinthians takes place here on earth, and the trumpet of Revelation occurs in heaven. There is absolutely no doubt that the rapture occurs before the beginning of Daniel’s 70th week, aka the Tribulation. Anyone who says or believes otherwise doesn’t know their Bible and is believing the devil’s deceptions. From Genesis 5 all the way to Revelation 19, the Bible shouts out that the church won’t be here to go through the Tribulation. Those of you who say you’re making preparations for that 7-year period aren’t practicing faith in our Messiah in the manner they should be.

    • You have spoken such truth God Bless You! Lets not be deceived. We need to remain watchful with the truth without leaving out key scripture. But we need vigilance to what is happening to our country but every issue known to man is apparent to the times. Confusion is about and we need not mislead no one at this point!

  158. I always remember what a Christian once told me about Rapture and Tribulation. There are Christians around the world TODAY who are facing Tribulation, torture and death as Martyrs.
    If you do not live for Christ today, you will not die for Him Tomorrow. You will look for excuses like those during the Holacaust. “I was just following orders” is not going to cut it when we kneel before the Alpha and the Omega.

    • Americans have no idea what they are in for. The rest of the world has suffered incredible be-headings and killings for their faith. America has been blessed for over 200 yrs, but NO MORE Until his people who are called by his name…………

      • I don’t believe that Jesus would allow His Bride to be tortured, begging for bread or even beheaded in the tribulation. He loves His bride and has made a way of escape for her from those things that will come upon the earth in the tribulation.

        However it is more than disturbing to know that right NOW in many parts of the world, thousands of believers are being tortured and beheaded as we speak!

        For nearly 25 years I have been taught and believed in a pre-tribulation rapture. I have studied the scriptures, and prayed for understanding. I believe in a pre-trib rapture.

        I honestly believe the true church of Jesus Christ, His true followers, are His bride, and that He has made a way of escape for us. Those that will lose their lives are those who become believers after the rapture, and those who are just “playing church” right now.
        Jesus is coming to take His bride to the wedding supper. We will be hidden away with Jesus until the end of the tribulation when Jesus will return with His saints (His bride) at His 2nd coming, the battle of Armageddon. This is the blessed hope.

        Luke 21:36 states, “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” God has not appointed the righteous to wrath. He stated that we will escape all these things, not some but All.

        • So you think there will be a third coming of Jesus. The first His birth, the second to get His church and the third time for the battle?

  159. I used to believe in pre-trib rapture because that is what was taught in my church. But then I decided to read the Bible myself and after studying and reading over and over…it became pretty obvious that there won’t be a pre-trib rapture (but God can do whatever he wants). I read several places where a rapture could take place like revelation 7:9, revelation 14 and even at the end of the tribulation in chapter 20. Instead of driving myself crazy with this, I’ve decided not to worry about it…..it will happen when God is ready. In the meantime i will prepare myself to endure the tribulation as long as i can and if the pre-trib rapture does happen, then i can be pleasantly surprised:)

    • Utah Red…… I like that. Prepare for the tribulation and let God have His way with you. I like the scripture : man not only need air and food and water but also the WORD . I think it’s Deuteronomy something. God bless

    • We cannot prepare ourselves; the only way to prepare is to be in the word and truly follow Jesus Christ…now.
      If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and pick up the cross daily and follow me. Luke 9:23
      The most important thing is to trust God and stay in close relationship with Him.

  160. The true chruch will not fill the wrath of God, but those who are playing Chruch(the Apostate Chruch) one’s not truly saved will go through the Tribulation and be beheaded for not taking the mark of the Beast. The Pre-Trib Rapture will wake these brothers and sisters up! The apostate is perfectly described in 2Tim. 4:3-4. Apostates depart from the faith, but not from the outward profession of Christianity(3:5).

  161. I have always heard preached that we Christians would not be here on earth during all the horrible things that will happen. I’ve always taken such great comfort in knowing that. Now hearing Irvin Baxters messages on this topic I am quite shaken and scared.

    • Dear Jennifer,
      Do not be scared because God in His infinite grace and mercy will rescue the born again Christians. I love watching Irvin Baxter….I love his passion for the Jews, but I disagree with his tribulational view. We cannot be here on earth when the anti christ comes to power. I believe God will snatch away the true christians.

    • I am not shaken and scared because “he who endures to the end will be saved.” “the love of many will grow cold.” I am filled with the Holy Spirit, my love will not grow cold. Therefore, I will endure to the end. I will withstand the time of testing and trying and I will see God. The baptism of the Holy Spirit will give us the strength to endure.

  162. Warning! Don’t listen to people who do not know the New Testament Biblical plan of salvation. How can they help you if they don’t know the simple basics. Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38

  163. Catholics also believe that the “rapture” will be “post trib.’ Although, we don’t refer to it as the “rapture.” To Catholics, it is the 2nd and final coming of Jesus. “He will judge the living and the dead and His Kingdom will have no end.” God bless.

  164. Do you know why the dead in Christ are raised first and then those living in Christ? Because the living have a 6 foot head start on those in the grave! Fun but interesting when you think of the part that says we’ll all meet Him together in the clouds. Thought provoking. hmmmm. :D

    I’m wanting to ask Irvin to speak further on the 1/2 hour of silence in heaven again. I realize it is his opinion but it makes so much sense that during that 1/2 hour of silence that all in heaven are witnessing in awe the marriage feast of the Lamb. Irvin do you have other scriptures that could help me think on this possibility further? if not, no biggy but I too think this could be the reason for the silence. :)

    It matters not when the rapture is, what matters is we love one another and unite on Jesus’ free gift to all who receive Him. :) By faith in Jesus’ work on the cross I am the righteousness of God….even on my worst days! Jesus was treated like a criminal so that we could be treated like royalty. Jesus was condemned so we could be exonerated. Jesus was torn apart and beaten so we could be made whole. Jesus was sinless because an unblemished lamb was worth more to not only God the Father but to the person who owned the unblemished livestock. Jesus is our perfect lamb and His blood washed it all away. While we bicker or disagree about things not revealed, His grace is sufficient. We can all unite once we all actually renew our minds in Christ Jesus daily. That means, yep, you guessed it… reading the entire Bible one page at a time every day we serve time here in this foreign place called earth. :D Joy, peace, and love to you guys n gals!

    • Amen, Donya! Also we must remember to watch and pray as Jesus told his disciples! We also need to trust God and His Infinite Wisdom!

  165. I’m noticing mostly everyone is concerned about the specific timing of when Jesus Christ will return to “rapture” His children; questioning if it will be before or after the tribulation when His Word specifically says, “NOone knows the day nor the hr..not the angels not even Jesus when He’ll return!” One thing’s for sure is that the signs are all around us and the Bible also says to “rightly divide” His Word, therefore, when you get some saying it’s one way and someone saying it’s another, or misinterpreting scriptures; what “His return1620 days after” symbolizes in the text..when you should just read..study, research the scriptures and ask GOD for revelation of His Word..the ONLY way to reassure you’re “caught up”, when He returns…whether He returns before OR after the tribulation… is not to get ready but to BE ready!!!

  166. Rev 7:9-17 plainly states:

    9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
    10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
    11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
    12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory,and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
    13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
    16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
    17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

    This happens between the 6th and 7th seals. This are not the children of Isreal spoken about earlier in the chapter because these people are of all nations. The first trumpet doesn’t sound until after all the seals have been opened. How can the Rapture happen at the Last Trump if those out of great tribulation are seen in Heaven before any trumpets have sounded?

  167. help me i need christ, i’m 18 of years and have experienced almost alot in my life time and all i have concluded as vanity that includes youthful. please

    • Joshua, simply ask Jesus to forgive you and be Lord of your life. Then by faith, KNOW you are completely forgiven and have been given a new spirit. (your body and mind still are fallen but can help along your spirit when you feed it with the words in the Bible). Jesus’ death & Resurrection was a gift to you, free and clear. You cannot earn righteousness. So once you ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins (we all sin as God is a Holy God and HIS standards apply to the perfect world He created but it fell due to Adam and Eve’s sin, so we are all born into sin no matter how “good” we think we are), turn from your sins knowing that Jesus’ Spirit that is now inside you will help you conquer every evil thing, every illness, disease, and addiction as your faith grows. It grows when you get to know who God is. You get to know God by praying and reading a good Bible. (stay away from wycliff as they have taken out Jesus as Son of God 91 times). A great bible I suggest is the Life Application Bible – New Living Translation! It’s the bomb! Just focus on how much Jesus loves you. For if you had been the only person he Created, he’d have gone thru the same exact sacrificial suffering so that you can be the righteousness of God. BY FAITH in Jesus’ gift to you, you are made righteous in God’s sight. You cannot earn it but I suggest you really dwell on just how much love for you and all mankind that takes. :) For this understanding of this level of love from Jesus to you, well help you thrive in your growth, it will also help you not strive to earn God’s goodness, which most of us do for a time. Once you are saved, you are adopted in and have a full inheritance of the kingdom of God. Also, as you mature in Christ and renew your mind every day by reading your Bible in order to get to know God, you will also discover your full identity in Jesus, something Satan does not want you to realize. This full identity in Christ, will help you defeat all of the attacks from Satan and unclean spirits. It will help you defeat oppression in every area of your life. JOY! heehee… I love you, my new brother Josh! *HUGS* PS: feed your spirit, make it a habit to open that bible every day even if to read one line! The more you feed your spirit, the less you feed your flesh. Your mind will start to line up with the will of God also and then it’s a much fuller journey without so much inner-warring going on. :) We all have wrestled that match though! :D But the Bible are God’s words to us through his messengers. His words are life and are alive. Trust me. I know it sounds weird… but just ask Jesus to open your eyes, heart, and mind. Ask God for His wisdom and believe you have been given it. :D May His favor and blessings follow you all the days of your life! With God, you have allowed the power and authority of Jesus himself to fight all the attacks of Satan! :D This is indeed GOOD NEWS! See you in heaven soon!:D

  168. I don’t believe in a pre-trib rapture however a church my wife and I currently attend not only teach it but if you want to join that church that’s one of the doctrines on the paper you have to sign to join this church. I refuse to sign that I believe this untrue doctrine. Also based on 11 John 10 and 11 I feel I can’t financially support their ministry or any other ministry that teaches this pre-trib junk. If I did wouldn’t this make me and enabler? “For he that biddeth him God speed is a partaker of his evil deeds.” ( 2 John vs.11 ) I still love those brothers in Christ (ie. fellow believers ) and I pray their eyes would be open to the truth of this teaching ( especially the Pastor ) but I just can’t financially support them. Is this wrong? I do give to the deacon’s fund where the money goes to those in need in the church family.

    • In my humbled opinion, if ANY church requires you to sign anything that does not have to do with the Gospel (good news) of God’s plan of salvation, for example: Jesus as the Son of God, Jesus as God, Jesus born of the Holy Spirit and Mary, Jesus as both divine and flesh is all united doctrine for a true Christian Church, then I’d walk away.

      These are perilous times of deception and false teaching! A church should be scriptural in the context of the entire Bible, which is amply important for people to know. If you have not read the entire Bible, you risk being deceived because so much in the Bible can be taken out of context but recited accurately in order to convey something it never meant. I exhort every one to read the Bible at least 3 times, slowly, and with prayer. The church you describe may have good intention but requiring someone to commit to the unknown, the concrete time of the catching up of the Church body, is to me, beyond blasphemous!

      Also, be weary of Chrislam. This is the secular world’s attempt at uniting all religions into one. Christianity and Islam are two mutually exclusive beliefs. Allah is Satan, Yahweh is God. Muhammed is now being ad-campaigned in Austrailia as the Savior of Humanity when it is actually Jesus who died and rose again in order to save all of humanity that received him. Christianity warns not to get the mark of the Beast which is the mark of man (6,6,6 for emphasis was the original scribe’s wording, not 666), whereas Islam cannot wait for the beast nor his mark! They are two diametrically opposed belief systems being brought into one religion. How? by taking Jesus’ deity out of the Bible. By taking the words “sin” and “hell” out of their Bible also. There is so much more than these false religions cropping up all over the globe.

      I implore everyone, read your entire Bible with wisdom from God! Ask for wisdom and discernment for these perilous times! :D When I’m told to find a bible-based church that is what I find because I know my Bible almost backward and forward now. It is astonishing just how inaccurate a majority of preachers are these days.

      My list of godly teachers/preachers have been grossly attacked by mainstream but are true and righteous. Immerse yourself in the wisdom of these men and find more who are willing to speak what the Bible says. I gave these 3 a chance and once I did I have yet let down! If you want to know about Israel and Bible Scripture Kay Arthur is your gal, if you want to know about how to witness then Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron have done masterful jobs, if you want to know the freedom of God’s grace, mercy, and salvation through Christ Jesus, then Crefalo Dollar, Andrew Wommack are your men, if you want to know about the goodness of God our Father in heaven and the power a believer holds when speaking the Word of God, then Joel Osteen is your guy. There are so many others.. but you find them all by having God’s discernment first. So love to you and I really pray you both will find a spirit edifying church who have put Jesus at the center of their venue.

      Thanks for hearing this old gal’s 2 cents worth! :D

      • Donya, Just a short note to say God bless you. You are a wonderful Sister in the Lord. I wish you well and keep speaking His Word as it is. A brother in Jesus The Lord George

  169. I’ve posted this before, but I couldn’t find it so I’ll do it again.The rapture will happen 1,263 & 1/2 days after the 2 witness start preaching in JERUSALEM. (REFs. Rev. Chapter 11:3-4,7-12 Zech. Chapter 4:3-14) they preach 1260 days & are killed and not permitted burial (Rev. 11:9). Then in verse 11 of Rev. 11 they are raised from the dead (1 Thess. 4:16 …the dead in Christ shall rise first: v.17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:..)

    • Just because the witnesses are raised from the dead at that time, does not mean all the dead in Christ will be raised at the same time. That is pinpointing a day to close, and no man knows the day or the hour.

    • Gary, This is how I understand the scripture to read as well. It looks very clear to me from reading Rev. 11:9-19. I am also very interested and trying to get understanding on Rev. 10:1. What is written in the little book? Also, a clue about the rapture is given in Rev. 10:7! I LOVE it!

  170. Eph:13-14. Ye are sealed by the holy spirit untill the day of redemption.2 thess: 2:7-8 talks about the holy spirit the restrainer will restrain
    untill he be taken out of the way.THEN shall that wicked be revealed.My question; if the rapture happens at the end of the tribulation we are left here defenceless untill we’re redeemed.

  171. I myself have been taught pre-trib rapture. Much has been cleared up for me. I saw the “Rapture” segment on TBN. 7/31/13. Will continue watching! I will be ordering cd’s and magazine!

  172. When I was younger in my christian faith, I was always taught a pre trib rapture. Then I heard of a post trib rapture and bible verses to confirm this teaching. Also I heard of other Godly Men of God like Spurgeon, Wesley Cambel just to mention a few, who beleieved in post trib rapture. I then weighed the evidence and made an informed decision to accept post trib rapture.

  173. In rev 13:3 could this refer to aierol Sharon, spelling might be off but he was the former prime minister, in which he has been in a coma and kept alive for quite a few years?

  174. I found there are more than one class of the first resurrection, tho! such as the 144,000, and who else? I want to go to Page 14, In Larkin’s book: The typical teaching of the Scriptures demand that the Church be caught out “before” the Tribulation. Joseph was a type of Christ and he was espoused to, and married Asenath, a Gentile bride, during the time of his rejection by his brethren, and “before the famine”, which typified the Tribulation, because it was the time of “judgment of his brethren.” This is the time of Christ’s rejection by “His Brethren” – the Jews, and (to complete the type), HE MUST GET HIS BRIDE – the church, “before” the Tribulation. Moses, who’s also a type of Christ, got his Bride, and she a Gentile, “after” his rejection by his brethren, and “before” they passed thru the Tribulation under Pharaoh (Exo. 2:23-25). Enoch, a type of the “Translation Saints”, was caught out “before” the Flood, and the Flood is a type of the Tribulation, and Noah and his family of the “Jewish Remnant” or 144,000 sealed ones of Rev. 7:1-8, who will be preserved thru the Tribulation. How thrilling the thought some of us won’t die…. M.C. believes here if we turn to God with all our hearts, repent, believe John 3:16, well judgment could be less.
    hewe turn to God with all our hearts, seek His will, perhaps we could say, truly, the good news is the bad news won’t be (that bad)?

    • Perhaps you would do well to place more trust and faith in the written Word of God and a little less in a “book” or an “author”. I would also agree with another comment that we don’t need to be looking for types and shadows. Seems to me that when we repent, are born again that the Lord lays it out rather straight forward. It is the devil that wants us chasing shadows so we miss the truth.

      • I agree with Jim. We need to put our complete faith and trust in the living Word of God and less trust in the common man. If we are born again Christians and living by the “Word”, we will recognize the truth as God directs us. The Word opens our eyes, ears and spirit to the truth. We, Christians, know how this story ends; with Jesus Christ being the victor over the enemy, Satan. He conquered death, hell and the grave, so what do we have to fear?

    • I think instead of looking for types and shadows, why don’t we just read what Jesus and the prophets SAID. That way there’s no room for any confusion! God bless you!

  175. The secret coming i have heard it before said, well, seems to me it will not be a secret; there could be a first phase of Christ’s coming if this is correct; oh, i wanted to thank you, Rev. Baxter, for the blessing you have been to us, and on t.v. – very much so; you’re at the top of my favorite programs. I finally calmed down and got to read your above on when of the Rapture. Been remembering more notes of my study: Mt. 24:29-31 The late Dr. John R. Rice says the elect is Jews scattered all over the world, as Rev. Jimmy Swaggart says, and God will bring them to Israel.Rev. Swaggart says the great trumpet sound announces the gathering of Israel, But during battle of Armaggedon, redeemed Israel will not know Christ is coming,like present believers know.and when Israel gives up hope, Jesus will come! Mt. 24:40 Rev. Swaggart says ‘the 2 in field, one left’ does not refer to rapture but rather to the terrible loss of life during Great Trib. I’d heard before somewhere the ones left go into the Millennium in earthly bodies. oh, I found note Rev Baxter said, tho’ this could also refer to Rapture. Well, i think one day God will bring it all together right, don’t you?

  176. I read in Larkin book : the trib. has NOTHING to do with the church. Rev. 3:10 It is God’s purpose to keep us out of it. Eph. 2:6 We sit in ‘heavenly places’ in Christ Jesus.Zech 14:5, Col. 3:4, I Thess. 3:13. IThess. 4:14, Jude 14 The typical teachin of Scriptures DEMAND Church goes out ‘before’ Tribulation. To complete 4 types in the Bible, Christ must get His bride – the church- ‘before’ the trib. Caught out for a reason! I think one surprise: we all will not die!! Some of us won’t, says Larkin. When able, and more time, I’ll prob’ly come back to this site, and read more. Thanks. oh, i read Jesus said, “I go to prepare a place for you”.. – and did he say, ” I will bring death to you”, no He said – “I will bring you unto Myself, says Larkin. We hope He’ll come back Fore the Trib. Look for speedy return! Do all can to bring Him back. Larkin believes He should already have come, and delay is cause the Church has not took Gospel to the world, or/and has should.

    • I believe the scriptures you reference above refer to the Second Coming of Christ NOT the rapture of the saints. This is MY opinion. God bless.

  177. i agree that we should not be showing our unsaved world that we are disagreeing about the bible but show love and unity also we should be walking closer ourselves to jesus. god bless, paul

    • I do not believe us to be “disagreeing” but rather “examining”. If we can do this respectfully and lovingly, what does that say to the unsaved world.

  178. I just know we should.be shareing the word of.God. Letting people know JESUS can save. Time is so so short. We areso.close to.the Lords coming.

    • you are so right about time is so short because it says in the second chapter of acts that the last days started after Pentecost and that was over 2000 years ago.

  179. The Clarence Larkin book I mentioned had in it there was different classification of the first resurrection, the book: The Greatest Book on Dispensational Truth in the World; and says that Paul was thinking of a new doctrine: out from among the dead: hoping for the [secret rapture], if i could find that page number; anyway Rev John R. Rice says over again, “No man can know…….. The day or hour!”

  180. Rev. Jimmy Swaggart says on “the first resurrection”, the Trib. saints will be included. Rev. Clarence Larkin says who authored “The Greatest Book on Dispensational Truth in the World” says we must distinguish a secret comin from the 2nd coming; We must go with Him to come back, etc. His address is Rev. Clarence Larkin Est.. P.O. Box 334, Glenside, Pa. 19038, U.S.A., for sale by the Publishers, has old charts,175 plus pages.

  181. I understand that the building of the Temple has began. The building of the is an earmark of the the coming of the antichrist as well. Is this correct?

  182. I am 52 yrs old and have believed all my life in pre-trib because it is what I was taught. It wasn’t until I heard Rev. Baxter several years ago teach about a post trib that I got interested enough to find out for MYSELF. So I erased from my brain everything I had been taught regarding end time prophecy and read the whole book of Revelation as well as the other popular end time prophecies. IT IS VERY CLEAR, we (the church,saints) will be here on earth during the tribulation (Satans wrath 31/2 yrs) but taken out (raputered) before Gods wrath. I also never found where the wedding supper of the Lamb takes place exactly at this time. As far as I know, it could happen after we fight Armageddon and at the beginning of the mellinium reign. Sounds as good to me as anything else I’ve heard. Even better actually! But I could be wrong about this point. But I’m positive after reading and making a timeline ACCORDING to scripture, that the rapture is post-tribulation and pre-Gods wrath. It’s very very clear! Just put aside everything you’ve ever been taught and read it as though it was the first time you ever opened the book! Blessings to all.

    • I have been interested in Prophecy since I was a teenager, and I am now 66 years old. I have come to the conclusion that it really does not make a difference when the Rapture takes place as long as we are “born again” Christians and ready to be “taken up”. No matter how difficult things may become before Jesus “comes for His bride, the Church” we believers will be able to survive with the help of our Heavenly Father. In my opinion, the key is to be ready, whatever the time may be, by studying the Word, applying it to our lives and being the, absolute, best Christian we can possibly be. We can grow in wisdom and knowledge and continually pray and take every opportunity to witness to others as God places them in our paths. I find, the more we encourage other Christians, we all continue to grow and get stronger in the Word. You might say we are preparing for the battle of our lives, and when we are being trained and led by the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, we can’t fail. Praise God!!!

    • Addionally, I’m afraid that many believe in a pre-trib rapture because they WANT it to be true and therefore take scripture out of context. Believe me, I was very disheartened when I discovered for MYSELF that the church will remain here on earth during the tribulation. I tried every way I could to make it not true, BUT it just ISN’T scriptural. Jesus HIMSELF in RED letters said, “Immediately AFTER the distress of those days,…..” Matthew 24:29-31 (NIV). He didn’t say BEFORE OR MIDWAY THRU, he said AFTER!!! How much plainer can it be?? The other scriptures back up his words they DO NOT contradict them. So please brothers and sisters in Christ, I beg you to please reread the passages again. Just because WE may want something to be true doesn’t make it true. Instead of burying our heads in the sand, lets be prepared and ready in every way possible. God Bless Us All!

      • Agreed! And therefore, it will take more than saying the salvation prayer to get to heaven. We have to “endure to the end” and not allow ” our love to grow cold” and “turn away from the faith”.

  183. I just read a comment from someone who said: The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation Period. This is 100 % false. The church of Our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ will be raptured BEFORE the 7 year Tribulation Period. I have studied Bible Prophecy for 27 years. The events of the Book of Revelation are to be read and understood in a chronological fashion. In Rev., Chapter 4, verse 1, the church is raptured up to meet Jesus in the air. In Rev, Chapter 6, verse 2, the Antichrist is revealed in the First Seal Judgment as the Rider on the White Horse. We are in Heaven at this time. Proof ? The true church of Born again believers who are Raptured up to meet Jesus will have a 7 year Wedding Feast. This occurs in Heaven at the same time that the 7 year Tribulation Period is going on. Remember, Jesus is the Bridegroom and we, the church are his Bride. This is found in Revelation, Chapter 19, verse 7. Now, in order, Jesus Christ comes back WITH HIS BRIDE in Revelation, Chapter 19 verse 11. The Raptured Saints are with Him. That will be us. It’s all there in Verse 14: ” The armies of Heaven were following Him…”. To repeat: The Book of Revelation is in Chronological order. Chapter 4 – The Saints are Raptured to meet Jesus in the air. Chapter 6 – The Antichrist comes on the world scene as Seal Judgment # 1 and he rides a White Horse. Chapter 19 – Jesus Christ comes back in Glory and Wrath to destroy the Antichrist and the False Prophet and WE, the raptured Saints, are riding behind Him on White Horses. Revelation chapter 20 mentions the 1000 year reign with Christ, Chapter 21 is the New Jerusalem (Heaven) and the book closes being in Heaven for all eternity with Father God and Jesus. And again, the Marriage and Wedding Feast lasts for 7 years (we stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and receive our Crowns, etc.) while the 7 year Tribulation Period is raging on down below on planet Earth. No, my Brothers and Sisters in Christ, The church will be raptured BEFORE the Tribulation begins. Walt Rippas

    • Irvin Baxter has a DVD out concerning the Questions about the Rapture which is really interesting and it brings light to a lot of questions people have about the Rapture and it explains in detail in 3 parts. Very interesting. A must buy DVD for anyone that has questions about the Rapture.

    • Walt,

      I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have also studied Bible prophecy for many years and believe with all of my heart that there will be a pre-trib rapture. Unfortunately, it is extremely difficult to persuade Mid-trib or Post-trib believers of anything else. While I would definitely like to believe that unbelieving Gentiles can and will be saved during the tribulation, there is no definitive proof in scripture that the ‘Tribulation Saints’ aren’t all Jewish. That being said, as a conservative measure, it’s best to assume that we need to do EVERYTHING in our Christian power to lead lost souls to Jesus BEFORE the rapture. My biggest concern with the Mid and Post trib rapture is that those who preach those theories are doing unbelievers a huge disservice by making them think that they will have time to accept the gift of salvation after the tribulation begins because in their minds, they will know it has started. The attitude of knowing the tribulation timetable and the return of Jesus 7 years after the signing of the covenent goes totally against the pre-imminence teaching of Jesus. I truly hope the teachers of the Mid and Post trib theories understands that they may be leading lost souls away from their last chance to accept salvation.

      • We are either getting ready for the fastest “get me out of here” escape (pre-trib), or the greatest harvest, soul-winning time in history (post-trib). I personally believe that the church will be here (according to Jesus’ words Matthew 24:29-31.) so we can be the greatest witness on earth during the most difficult time ever! Why do Americans insist on believing that we will be saved from a time of distress when the rest of the world has always expierenced great difficulties! The Bible says we would know the season of His return for us, not the exact day or hour. We have been sheltered in the past because we have been a Godly nation, I’m afraid the future is going to yield a far different result. Get ready now, watch and pray! God bless!

        • I agree! We’re needed to witness to others and to help them come to the Lord. Even now I’m very open and honest about my practices and beliefs with others. Some people look at me like I’m crazy but they may not always feel that way. They may remember what I’ve said and reach out for God. If we end up being here during the Tribulation, we are meant to serve others!

    • Walt,
      It is MY understanding that Rev. 4:1 is speaking of John (the author) being taken into heaven in the spirit so he could view the coming events from that perspective. I don’t see that this is the church being raptured. God bless you.

  184. I read the Recovery Version Bilble available on line at Living Stream Ministry.org. I see there are many raptures. The man child before the 6th seal, The firstfruit 144,000, a grate multitude which no one could number ch7, the harverst of wheat in ch 14? The late overcomers who were martered. I’ve been reading this last year of Jesus appearing to Muslims in there desperation to know the truth and of people who have near death experience leaving there physical bodies and in there spirit body going ti heaven. Oden Hetrick went to heaven over 80 times. Brother Glenn

    • brother glenn, please get back to basics and read the king james bible which is the apostles doctrine. oden hetrick couldn’t have went to heaven because it says in john 3:13 that no man has ascended into heaven. it also says in john 5:28 and 29 that everyone is in the grave and they will be opened when jesus comes back. it also says the same thing in Daniel 12:2. as far as rapture or raptures my god which is jesus says he is coming back one time and in second timothy 4:1 says he will judge the quick {saved} and the dead {lost} the same day as his appearing. also in second peter chapter 3 it says that the earth and heavens will be burnt up on the day that god comes.

    • But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
      2 Timothy 3:13
      Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
      Galatians 6:7
      And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
      2 Corinthians 11:14
      The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
      John 10:10
      Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
      John 10:1

  185. Have you ever heard of Operation Blue Beam? And can you cover Matthew 24:23-26 in one of your radio shows?

  186. The tribulation of 70 AD was the punishment of the Jewish Nation. The Great Tribulation will punish the wicked world (age) we are now in. Matthew 24. Mark 13, LUKE 21:24. Daniel was informed of the future of HIS people, i.e. the Jews

  187. Finally someone who can properly interpret the Scriptures and rightly divide the word. As a minister of some 40 years, (BBL, MBL) I have been constantly amazed that nearly all who comment on end-time base their belief not on what the Bible says, but rather on what It does NOT say! They base their theories on assumptions and completely ignore the Scriptural facts. I have very few Questions about your theories. I would love to meet Brother Irvin!

    • Amen! I agree with you brother Gary! After reading the scriptures over and over for MYSELF, it has become very clear that the church will be here through Satans Wrath but NOT Gods Wrath. Which means, we will be here through the tribulation but not the GREAT TRIBULATION. How could I have missed it for so many years? Maybe if I had read and studied it for MYSELF it would have been clear. However certain I may be of this fact, I still believe we should all be ready at any moment to see our Lord, for we do not know at what hour the Father will call each of us home!

  188. I’m a believer, a sinner and sadly repentant on a daily basis it seems. I am saved by grace. So why is all of this still so frightening? Shouldn’t I be glad that Jesus is coming soon? I study the word and see the signs but it is still frightening.

    • I was also. Time will mature your mind into freedom from what future we will have. We will be very ready. Find a fellow believer and follow Baxter. He is very humble in acknowledging when he could be wrong. It really helps to discover together. Fear is the beginning of knowledge. Wisdom will kick in.

      • Follow Christ and His written Word. No man is without fault.

        I don’t know a lot about Mr. Baxter but have liked what little I have watched of him on television. However I learned a long time ago to keep my eyes on Christ and His Word, not on anyone else. If I had not done this my faith would have been shipwrecked time after time. I pray it never happen in this case but ALL men (people) are subject to stumble, to fail, to stray, or be attacked by Satan.

        We can learn from true men of God but never take anything for granted. If one is wise they will ALWAYS verify and a Godly man would expect nothing less of anyone.

    • Liz, being “frightened” by something is often a motivator and if properly directed it can be of great benefit. For the Christian though I believe that underneath that frightening aspect of the unknown that faces us, we should at the same time be comforted by a “peace that passes all understanding.”

      Make Jesus Christ and His written Word your daily focus. Know that the flesh is enmity with the Spirit and that a Christian will be in constant battle with their flesh and its’ desires. What does our heart desire? Is it truly at odds with the things our body of flesh wants to say or do? Are we truly a new creature from what we were before we professed to be saved? Is Christ TRULY our Lord or are those just the “right” words to say? These questions are a part of examining of ourselves that the Bible calls us all to do (2 Corinthians 13:5).

      You say you are a “sinner” and I hear a lot of folks these days claim to be sinners and Christians at the same time. I don’t think that is good, wise, or profitable. When someone says they are a sinner they convey the message that they are unsaved. If we do not have a clear vision of, and desire for, holiness in our heart how do we expect to live a holy life as the Word of God says we must?

      If one has repented of their sins and truly been born again, then they are no longer a sinner, the Bible says they are a child of God. The heart is changed and abhors much of what it once doted on and loved and the battle with the flesh begins. Paul said:
      “But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.” 1 Corinthians 9:27
      “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” Romans 8:1

      The question is “where are we walking?” Are we making excuses for our sins and hanging onto them or are they really repugnant to us. For those who are walking in the Spirit we have an advocate with Christ who is compassionate and forgiving. So I would say a Christian is NOT a “sinner” and should never describe themselves as one. They are a Christian that sins at times and is fighting the fight to bring their flesh into subjection to the Spirit of God that lives in them. Then they will know that perfect peace that only the Lord can give come what may for God is in control.
      Bless you!

      (Sorry this is so long)

    • Emmanuel, there is no better place to find more truth than in a King James Bible. It requires prayer and faithful study and if the heart is sincere God will bless abundantly. It is fine to learn from others writings and words but let the pure Word of God always be your base, your plumbline against which all information is measured.
      Gods Word is a vast treasure trove unlike any book in the world and though I read it daily and have for many years I always find new pearls of truth, wisdom and guidance for my life. I’m always happy to help if I have an answer.

  189. In scripture, we are in the church age right now and anyone that wants to come to the Lord can. The church age ends with the rapture. (Terri I Agree with this part.) But Remember you cannot be both the body and the bride. The church the body of Christ yes which is clean and white. The body of Christ is completed at the gathering together and is judged at the judgment seat of Christ. Finished. Remember that we as the body of Christ are completed. So now who needs to be getting ready for the marriage it is The Bride Israel. She will not be ready but will make herself ready. Israel is NO Guest at the marriage they are the bride.. Do you really think Through out the scriptures Israel is just going to be a Guest . No way . The Church of Israel final accepts Christ as their Bridegroom who is their Savior at on the second coming. Terri you almost have this correct. I would ask that you look up the bride and body which mean the same word but are independent of each other they become one with the body of Christ in marriage.

  190. In scripture, we are in the church age right now and anyone that wants to come to the Lord can. The church age ends with the rapture. The bride of Christ is the church and the marriage is the eternal union of the church with Christ following the rapture.1 Thess. 4:17. The fine linen, clean and white, represents the righteousness of the church, which has now been judged and purified at the judgement seat of Christ 1 Cor. 3:12-15 2 Cor. 5:10 The marriage supper of the Lamb represents the millennial kingdom of Christ, which will take place on earth following the return of Christ Rev. 20:4 Matt. 25 1-13 Luke 14:15-24 In order to understand the marriage supper you have to look at Jewish marriage which consisted of the major elements, 1. the betrothal 2. the presentation and 3. the marriage feast (supper) Figuratively, with the reference to the church, 1. the betrothal takes place on earth during the church age which is open to everyone 2. the presentation will take place in heaven following the rapture and 3. the marriage feast will take place on earth following Christ’s return WITH the church.Rev. 19 11-14 Those who are invited to the marriage supper are Israel, who will turn to Christ in faith during the tribulation. Jer. 31:31-34 Zech 12:10 13:9 Romans 11:25-27 The tribulation will have the two witnesses preaching to Israel. Rev. 11 The wrath in the second half of the tribulation is for the unbelieving world. The 144,000 saved during the tribulation will be in the 12 tribes on earth during the millenium. They will be the remnant from the entire nation of Israel 2 Chr. 30:1-10, 25, 26 Matt. 10:5-6 Acts 26:7 The promise of future restoration is given to all 12 tribes Is. 11:11-13 Ezek. 37:15-28

    • This is a very true article. I see you have done your correct homework Terri. I have a good article at the bottom of these comments. In Christ Randall.

  191. First everyone must understand something why does the word of God state we the Christians are the body of Christ why does the writings to us always say body of Christ not Bride of Christ. Why because we are the Body of Christ!! Once the body of Christ understands that we ARE NOT the Bride of Christ maybe you can see the full picture of God’s Master Plan. If you notice that Israel is the Bride of Christ which is making herself ready in the later half of the book of Revelations . People we are one body which is Christ body . Who do you think Christ or Christians are (us as one body ) we Marry Israel which is the Bride. Once you understand this then you will understand the marriage supper of the lamb. We (the body of Christ ) are married to the church of Israel the bride of Christ. This must be corrected in our understanding. If the body of Christ is also the bride of Christ. Where would Israel be. They would be left out!! Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Who is the bridegroom ( Jesus ) . Who is the Bride .. Israel. Remember we as Christians where a mystery . The Bride of Christ was never a mystery. If this is rightly divide then you can see the word of our God and his son more clearly. Please review and do a word study if you do not agree.

    • I have to disagree! If the Bride of Christ is Israel, then why is there such little mention of this through out scripture and especially the book of Revelation? The majority of NT scripture and Revelation speaks to the saints (99%), why then would there only be a few mentions of Israel as the final Bride of Christ? The New Testament is clear that the Gentiles were grafted in and became, along with Israel and whosoever will, the object of His affection. His Bride!

  192. 2 Thessalonians 6-8 teaches us that the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way so that the son of perdition can be revealed. So if the Holy Spirit is in us and he is taken out, it only makes sense we are taken with him. We are not appointed to his wrath. The tribulation is for the Jews( his elect) They will know whom they pierced.

    • I have to disagree with you concerning 2 Thessalonians 6-8. It is helpful to study at least the first twelve verses as it helps establish context.
      I do not believe the Holy Spirit is ever “in the way” or needs to be “removed” or “taken out.”
      It is a worthless, unbelieving Church (so called) that will be removed.
      Some years ago I wrote the following:
      It is Christ’s Church, the body of believers that has held the man of sin at bay, but because so many have fallen away from the true faith, and many others have never believed, it has left a place and a way for the man of sin to step forward and fill the gap (Matthew 12:43-45).

      Even now the spirit of Antichrist is at work in the world and the Holy Spirit will allow him to continue until that which has been determined beforehand is accomplished (Daniel 11:36-37).

      “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: (only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.) 2 Thessalonians 2:7 ~ PARENTHIS ADDED FOR EMPHASIS and CLARITY.
      A lukewarm Church and lukewarm Christians are what is letting this happen.

      • I have to disagree! If the Bride of Christ is Israel, then why is there such little mention of this through out scripture and especially the book of Revelation? The majority of NT scripture and Revelation speaks to the saints (99%), why then would there only be a few mentions of Israel as the final Bride of Christ? The New Testament is clear that the Gentiles were grafted in and became, along with Israel and whosoever will, the object of His affection. His Bride!

        • Jeanene, I would add to your good comment the following two verses which come to mind:

          Romans 3:22  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

          Romans 10:12  For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

          I myself find directing responses is not always crystal clear on this board. Thanks for the “Oops”.

          • Bro. Jim,
            Excellent scripture reference for my comment! THANK YOU! I am learning so much from you and the other staff members on this site! God Bless You!

      • “The tribulation is for the Jews( his elect)…”
        Not according to the Bible.

        Acts 15:9  And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
        Romans 3:22  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
        Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

        The fact is we ALL killed Jesus. We ALL pierced Him because of our sins. “… there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” Romans 3:12b

  193. Re: 1 taken 1 left in book of Matthew. Scripture says as it was in the days of Noah. In Noah’s days the evil were taken away and the good left behind. If that is the case then is this actually referring to rapture or 2nd coming?

    • i was taught that in Norah days they were talkin about takin of marriage means in those days the fallen angles going to be kicked out ofheaven to suduce women thats how we got the gaints in norah days

  194. The first 3 and a half years will be peace on earth bc the anitchrist will make a peace treaty with Isreal after God destroys the invading forces of rsraia and itan from attacking his people(Israel). Then i think is when God will pour out tis spirit upon the his believers and they will preach the word of God to all nations. Then afterwards the wrath of satan comes on those who preach the word of God, the Great Tribulation. Also i kniw that the 144,000 are the first borns to be chosen and are virgins, but i just want to know if they are or just random people from around the world or jews? Bc in Numbers the Lord says the first born of the jews should servce in thetabernacle, but later are switched with the Levits

    • And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
      Revelation 7:4

      The next several verses continue on to name each tribe that twelve of the Jews came from. (The tribes are made up of Jews, so I’d have to say yes, the 144K are Jews.) Revelation 14:4b & 5a tells us that they were not just “random” people or random Jews but; “These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
      5  And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.”

  195. Hi, I wondered where this scripture fits in. It is after Jesus describes what is coming upon the earth. Can anyone explain please?
    Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    • Robyn,
      I would add to what avandagriff has stated. Luke 21:36 is referring to the period just after the great tribulation known as the “Wrath of God” Watch and pray that you (we) may not be counted among the unbelievers who will suffer Gods wrath. Those who are truly born again in Christ escape such terrors even though they may have had to endure the tribulation. When the wrath of God begins on the earth those of us who have been born again (John 3:5-7) have finished our fight.

    • Luke 21:36 says, “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” The instructions to watch and pray refer to us checking ourselves and making sure that we are ready. It is a result of our salvation that we go up in the rapture, which is the way of escape. To understand what God meant by escape let’s take a look at 1 Corinthians 10:13. It says, “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.” So God makes a way of escape so that we are able to bear what we are going through. It is also difficult to escape something that you are not in. A convict could not escape out of prison if he was never in prison. Revelation 7:14 also shows that the ones clothed with white robes are they who came out of great tribulation. So they obviously had to have been in it in the first place. God made the rapture as a way of escape so that we would be able to bear the tribulation.

  196. Now why in the world would you believe a theory like this when the Bible plainly states that blood bought born again Christians are not appointed to wrath? Those who are here and are saved will NOT go through the tribulation period, the worst possible time that ever was or ever will be. Jesus said that we are not appointed to wrath. Example,Let’s look, hmmmm… God told the Israelites to Spread lambs blood on the lintel and the side posts of their home so the angel of death would pass over their houses when Egypts first born animals and humans were slain in the 10th plague. Again Lot was in Sodom and The Lord our GOD made sure that him and his family were out of the city before the destruction fell down upon that evil city. What else hmmmmm…how about Rahab and her family when Joshua led Israel to defeat Jericho? See there is a pattern here…those who are true to the Lord do not usually suffer his wrath, and to re-iterate again, the tribulation period will be a time like the world has never seen, and no he will not let those who love and follow him perish in the Tribulation Period. Pre-Trib Rapture whether you like it or spin it.

    • Theory? No, the Bible has no theories and the Holy Spirit of God does not teach any. The Bible does tell us to STUDY does it not? Diamonds must be dug for, but zirconia is most likely found on the surface. ;)

      Now to the subject at hand. Seems most do not discern or understand that there is a very big difference in the tribulation and in the time of wrath. The tribulation is the wrath of the Antichrist (man) against the people of God and the time of Gods wrath is Gods anger poured out on unrepentant man. Revelation chapter six verse twelve ends the tribulation period and begins the wrath of God period of time on sinful man and a perverse world. Chapter seven we see God is sealing the 144,000 who will not be affected by His wrath as they will still be trying to persuade sinful persons to repent and they are doing Gods work in general. My God would NEVER pull His people out and leave the lost with no hope. That would be cruel. My God is a compassionate God and He provides hope to the stiffnecked and lost right up to the very end, hence the 144,000 sent back.

      Back to chapter six verse 11 and chapter 7 verse 9 we see those who were killed in the great tribulation (wrath of satan/antichrist). Revelation lays out events, and then in later chapters, it often examines those same events up close or in detail. Some folks mistake this as separate incidents. Also Revelation is not in order of events as would be found on a timeline. Perhaps much of it could be compared to flashbacks like we would see in a movie, and then comes the next course and another flashback, etc.

      True Christians are promised to have tribulation in their lives. Satan does not like true Christians and Job and Paul are just two of many examples of just men having grievous tribulation in their lives.
      What about the Christians in some of the former Soviet Union countries? They are losing their homes, their churches, their jobs, their loved ones, and even their lives (beheaded for Christ) simply because they profess Christ as the only Saviour and Redeemer. Surely you don’t somehow think God is a respecter of persons do you? My guess is that they probably live more Godly lives than many careless non-Bible reading Americans.

      To answer your question as to why I believe what I do, it is because I read and study the Bible daily and most of all I pray and ask the Lord to teach me, not man. When we run to the words of men before we pray and sufficiently study we are in reality shunning the promise God made to teach those who ask. God desires to be first and true faith demands He be first. I always ask Him and while my words here are not eloquent and I don’t have all the answers, I know what is truth and what is not. May that also be your blessing.

      • To start with, you need to read my post at the bottom, Rev. 12:9-12 shoes the devil and his fallen angels kicked out of heaven, at the last three and half years. You need to read Matt.24:21. The people in the tribulation started out being all non-believers, The Church is Raptured before the tribulation.

      • AMEN! I spent years believing I was somehow more special than others that had been killed for their belief in Christ, and I was going to be spared and ruptured before all the calamity hit this planet. This is NOT what the scriptures say! I finally studied for MYSELF and it became very clear! Actually, it became quite obvious that the end time church will be on earth during Satan’s wrath but not Gods wrath! Thank The Lord for Rev. Baxter (and his staff) who has given clear evidence through the word of God, that a lot of us have been believing in an untruth. I believe folks in the United States have been sheltered for so long that we have no clue what has happened in the past and is still happening to believers in other parts of the world for their belief in Christ! It’s time to STUDY the word and stop hoping for something to be there that just ISN’T! God Bless You!

  197. The “Rapture” is “at the last day.” I do not believe the Bible teaches a “pre-trib rapture.” Matthew 13 is just one of many passages that suggest otherwise. Matthew 13:30 indicates that it is the tares, or the “children of the wicked one” (verse 38) that will be gathered together BEFORE the children of the kingdom are gathered. A study of the parable and the interpretation given by Christ should shed some light on other verses of this subject. Study Matthew 13: 24-43.

    • To start with the bible never talks about the rapture in the old testment or the 4 gospels. Read the post at the bottom and learn some bible doctorine, IN Christ Randall

  198. To be prepared: 1. Be alive (Spiritually) 2. Remain (Overcoming the world,the flesh and the devil thru repentance and forgiveness.) 3. Be looking for Him.
    By the way the great tribulation is only 42 months – 3 1/2 years long

  199. Nick, you had some good answers. I agree with the premise of your statements However, to get real accurate, it is best to use some New Testament verses.

    One thing to look at that you mentioned was the ten plagues of Egypt. Remember, the children of Israel suffered with Egypt in the first three plagues, then they were separated. Jesus said in Matthew and Mark that shortly “after” the abomination that makes desolate is set up He would return and send out the angels to gather His elect from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of the heaven (Mark 13:27). We will see some of the trouble that is caused by the abomination that make desolate, but that isn’t the wrath of God. This is trouble the Antichrist causes. Shortly after that we are gone and the wrath of God will follow.

    What’s different about what Jesus taught and end-time teachers today is Jesus taught that the tribulation starts with the abomination of desolation being set up. End-time teacher today say it starts with the daily sacrifice which activates the Old Testament which starts Daniel’s seventieth week. Please note that in Revelation chapter twelve that it is not just Jews left behind. Some of the off-spring of the “woman” are those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ. These are Christians. Plus, after the seventh trumpet, the 144,000 are in heaven.

    What most teacher fail to teach is that the rapture only applies to those of us who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord. When the dead in Christ are raised, this is a resurrection not a rapture (catching away). The Bible says we will be caught up together “with them.” The same is true about the saints that were beheaded during the tribulation. They will be resurrected at the end of the tribulation. Some think this is the rapture at the end of the tribulation, but that is incorrect because they were dead now they are alive and reigning with Christ. This is a resurrection.

    This is called the first resurrection which is not a one time event, rather it is a classification. The first resurrection, on whom the second death has no power started with the resurrection of Jesus and was followed by many others who came out of their graves after the Lord’s resurrection (Matthew 27:52). The next to participate in the first resurrection are the dead in Christ, after which we are changed and caught up (raptured). Then those who were beheaded for their testimony of Jesus Christ during the tribulation will be resurrected at the end of the tribulation. Then finally, the righteous who died during the 1,000 year reign of Jesus will be resurrected. (The last day resurrection)

    The first man raptured was Enoch, then Elijah, and finally the Christians who are alive and are ready for the Lord at His coming. But, as I mentioned before, Jesus strictly warned us to be ready because those whose life is not ready will be left behind (The parable of the 10 virgins).

    Everything else you said is so right on. In fact, if you look at Revelation 21:9 and 22:8-9 you will see that the “angels” (which means messenger) with the vials (bowels) are not angelic beings, they are glorified saints (of your brethren the prophets).

    Good answer Nick!

  200. There are clues that indicate a pre-trib rapture will occur. First, the LORD and Abraham discuss Sodom and Gomorrah where the LORD answers that he would not destroy the righteous with the unrighteous. Since GOD does not change, then this principle would apply to the Rapture meaning that He would cause the removal of those clothed with the righteous of Christ before He brings worldwide judgement. Just as Lot and his family are removed from Sodom before its judgement falls, so shall the Church be removed before the worldwide judgement falls. Further, Lot requests to be allowed to flee to a small town for safety and it is granted. This is a foreshadow of those in Israel who will flee to a small place before the destruction occurs in Judea. So the Lot escape from Sodom shows that the Church will be removed, and also, that the Jews will flee to a small place to be saved from the destruction to come. Two prophetic principles, one for the Church ie., the Rapture or removal, and for the Jew who will flee to a small place here on planet earth.
    Then there is the birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus of Nazareth, our LORD and Saviour. These events all occurred before 70 AD when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans. So to we who make up the Body of Christ shall be removed before worldwide destruction occurs. Then, just like He left his disciples, all Jews, to preach the good news of His gospel, so to will the Jews who are left after the Rapture be left to preach His same gospel to those who remain on earth.
    Finally, ancient Hebrew wedding culture shows us that the Groom would come at a time established between him and his father to catch up the Bride-to-be and take her to the father’s house before the wedding celebration. We are the Bride of Christ so we must be prepared to be caught by our beloved
    Groom at any moment to be with Him in His Father’s house just as said.
    The conclusion I reach is that the Church will be raptured out of world before judgement, and that Israel will be protected through the jugement of the world. Just as Israel was protected in Egypt through the ten plagues, judgements, so to will GOD protect them again when there will not be one person on earth who will stand for them or with them except the LORD himself. AMEN!!!!!

    • Brother!!!
      You have made A LOT of assumptions based on “guessing” rather than on what the scriptures say!! This is a very scary thing for you to do! Please read the book of Revelation along with the prophetic scriptures throughout the NT. They all reveal a post-tribulation rapture! You are correct in what you say about us being protected by The Lord, that’s why he raptures the “prepared believers” just before he unleashes his Wrath upon earth. Known as “Gods wrath” or GREAT tribulation, which follows “Satans wrath” or the tribulation. God Bless!

  201. I watched Irvin Baxter last night on a program with Paul Crouch and some other pre-trib proponents. The pre-tribbers have the usual answers but when asked the right questions they really start to stutter. When forced to write down a specific timetable of the 7 years they completely fall apart. Baxter’s explanations make more sense to me but leave a lot of holes. Has anyone in your organization ever really studied the “Pre-Wrath Rapture” espoused by Rosenthal and Van Kampen (The Sign) ? Do you have any reviews on the Pre-Wrath concept. For the past ten years I have been convinced that it is the closest to reconciling the words of Jesus, Daniel, Paul, Peter and John (Revelation). Where are they going wrong ? Thanks.

    Bob U.

  202. The main thing is to always walk in forgiveness. There are only 2 commandments in the New Testament, 1John 3:23, believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another as He gave us commandments. If you walk in total forgiveness you are walking in the light 1John 2:10-11. Then all unrighteousness is washed away 1John 1:7. You will be ready. Hebrews 12:15 states that unforgiveness is what causes many to fall short of the grace of God. With faith in the blood of Jesus to cleanse you and mercy in your heart, you will be ready. Mark 11:25-26 is a second witness to this truth.

    Know that forgiveness does not justify the wrong that was done to you, it only releases you from the bitterness and in time the hurt will heal.

  203. You are absolutely correct, Pam. But like Jesus taught, some will not be ready and they will be left behind (Matthew 25). That’s why Jesus gave such a strict warning. Many today do not believe or heed His warning.

  204. We will “go” (Rapture) and then “come” (return to earth with Christ when he comes to reign for the 1000 years).

  205. Wow, what a confusion in the body of Christ about the rapture, which Jesus warned us to be ready for. If every Christian was going in the rapture, why the warning? Jesus, in the parable of the 10 “virgins” made it clear that only 50% of Christians (virgins) will be ready for the rapture. Five were left behind. The same is taught in the parable of two in a field, one taken and one left, two in bed, one taken and one is left. Jesus said after the abomination of desolation is set up, then there will be tribulation greater than ever before in the history of mankind. So, those who said the church will go through the tribulation are correct and those who said we will be raptured before the wrath of God are also correct.

    One mistake that many make is when Jesus talks about the immediate tribulation that take place because of the abomination of desolation, they think He is talking about the entire tribulation period. He is not. He says, Immediately after “that” tribulation, not “the” tribulation (Mark 13:24). The Prophet Daniel was clearly shown that (Daniel 9) the 7 year period is what the scriptures call “Jacob’s trouble.” The book of Daniel is clear when it says that the total 490 weeks, which includes the last 7, is dealing with “your people and your holy city.” Then the angel tells him that from the time the abomination of desolation is set up until the temple is cleansed (tribulation period) is 1,290 days. Put all these scriptures together. It will clear up the confusion. It is written, “In the mouth of 2 or 3 witness every word will be established” (2Cor. 13:1). Don’t base you understanding on just one scripture.

    If you try to make what you have been taught stick regardless of what the scripture says you will always get confused.

    One denomination takes the scripture in 2Thess. 2:8 (KJV) that says, “And then shall “that” Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume…destroy…, they change the word “that wicked” to “the wicked” and believe all who are left here (wicked) will be destroyed, and therefore believe no one with be left alive on the earth.

    Don’t make the same mistake and change the words “that tribulation (Mark 13:24) or the tribulation of those days (Matt. 24:28) into “the” tribulation. Every word is a key. That is why there is so much misunderstanding.

    Just know that Jesus very strongly warned us about watching (watch your life) and being ready. Why would He warn us so earnestly if every Christian is automatically going to be raptured?

    • Having viewed Irvin Baxter’s DVD “Questions about the Rapture” the main point He makes is the reason why He doesn’t include the rapture in his Endtime Magazines is because He is concerned Christians will get wrapped up so much with the Pre, Mid and Post Tribs instead of realizing that what we need to be most concerned about is being prepared as a Christian and that we have accepted the Lord in our life.

    • That is very true, why would He warn us if there had been a rapture prior to the antichrist? I’m actually beginning to think that most people don’t have any common sense. They don’t study the scriptures, nor understand what they read. But, unfortunately, the Bible has been so watered down it’s pathetic. It’s been added to and it’s been taken away from. The scriptures that we have are so far from CHRIST taught his disciples that it’s like unreal. Each translation tells us something different. The closest I have found would be the Complete Jewish Bible, and after that the King James. Look at 5 different types of Bibles (translations) and each one is different. Somebody changed something in it, every single time.

  206. I just find it so hard to understand why Universities and Pastors refuse to seek the truth and only hear what they have already been taught. For believers its required to evolve their belief in Jesus. No one knows everything but Just because you were taught Pre-Tribulation you have a brain to reason. Is it fare to lie to new believers? How many will be offended because they were not warned of the persecution we must all face that is in scribture.

  207. Evereything is so true we living in Matt 24 all the
    gospel to all the world is so to say done. Just be
    ready no more when and where its here people
    God is comming for his bride and only for those
    who are ready. If you think you are ready, you are
    not. Pray for the youth, but if you think you are ready
    first for yourself then the others. We are going to stand
    in front of God one by one not two by two. Believe or not
    we are there, so get ready people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  208. all of this end time talk is very stressful for a mother of young children. I have a freind who’s mother has told her not to have any children…is this Biblical? How can we protect our little ones?

    • nothing to worry about if God said be fruitful and multiply then take him at his word. These children would be taken at the rapture also

    • The Bible does not teach against having children. Remember that God will watch out for His people. So if we will trust in God through everything we face, all things will work together for the good. God bless.

  209. I love that you put that it doesn’t matter. Too many Christians are so focused on debating this. I think it is not that important. We are followers of Christ, our hope is Jesus Christ for our salvation and eternal life…not if we will suffer through tribulations and die for our faith. Post trib or Pre trib…I’m good either way! My focus is Jesus and I will live for Him each and every day that He gives me! Regardless if my road to get to heaven is smooth or bumpy!

    • My friend said, we will go through Trib.,but not to worry “Perfect love casts out all fear”, so i reminded him of Jesus,the only person to ever have Perfect Love,was in mental anguish so bad , he was sweating blood,on his final night,so how would little children feel who dont know scripture,and have no idea why these horrific things are taking place.Jesus said we could really get comfort from his message of rescue.Does this comfort you, “Listen Up” after all these horrifying events take place, and many of you have died terrible deaths,i will return,and save those few, who have survived only by the Grace of God. Comfort one another with these words.

  210. Thank you. I was brought up exclusively on a pre-trib doctrine, but when I started asking questions and wanting Biblical sources, I found that they were very selective in their use of scripture. As you note, the Thessalonians passage is used as the linchpin of their dogma, but they judiciously leave out the part that says that believers will not be in the dark or surprised by it. While Jesus said we won’t know the day or hour, we will know the season and I believe that means we can have a good idea within a three month time span WHEN IT ACTUALLY STARTS TO UNFOLD AROUND US.

    Prophecies of Jesus’ birth said that God would call His son out of Egypt, that the Messiah would be called a Nazarene and that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. To those who lived before the actual event, it seemed like God was (potentially) talking about three different people. Only after the fact could people see the fullness of what God planned.

    I think the tribulation and rapture will be similar. God does not want us to waste our time mapping out theoretical possibilities (Jesus rhetorically asked if He would find people doing the will of God when He returned).

    People selectively forget that Jesus told us to take up our cross and follow Him… that in this world we would have trouble (persecution). They also say that the church is not mentioned in Revelation during the Tribulation except in Heaven. I say, what about Elijah (the 7000 believers were not mentioned anywhere until Elijah wanted God to take him away because he was the “only one”)? The point of the narrative in Revelation is about how mankind willfully rebels against God no matter how much He gives them opportunity to repent.

    Also, what about the parallel of the Tribulation with the 10 plagues of Egypt? The Israelites were in Egypt the whole time. They experienced the plagues that were demonstrations of God’s power, but they did not experience the ones that were God’s judgement against unbelievers.

  211. I know that Jesus said that no one but the Father knows the day and hour of the “Return”. But no where does it say anything about knowing the year and month. Daniel had a lot to say about the end of this age. The world does not end at the return of Jesus Christ, for He rules here for a thousand years, on this earth, the ending that is talked about is the end of the “Church Age” and the start of the Kingdon of Heaven on this earth. If you believe in pre-trib or mid-trib please read Matt. 24: 29-31 . there is no way around this. Jesus stated this and it is either the truth or else he was confused or just a lair.

    • [verse31] Heaven and Earth Shall pass away,…[verse32] but of “THAT” Day and Hour knoweth no man | That doesnt sound to me, like hes telling us to forget about trying to find The Rapture Date.| If you dont watch[if you do watch] i will come as a thief[i wont come as a thief] and you wont know when im coming[you will know when im coming] | So if we watch,would Jesus say,youll still have absolutely no idea, when im coming.

    • The REAL CHURCH is made up of those who are SINCERELY seeking , the SINCERE TRUTH,because sincere truth has a name ,its”Jesus Christ”,and i believe if you are truly seeking the Truth,and loving your fellow man,and if you die before you realize it was Jesus you wereTRULY seeking,you will be a member of The Real Church. This is why people from all religions will enter Heaven,and not enter Heaven.

      • Missionaries have witnessed members of a villiage,doing things that shouldnt be done,while other members did not participate,because they knew it was wrong,and went off on their own,to pray to the real God,not knowing who it is,but knowing the other villiagers werent worshipping HIM. So if a sunami came washing over the villiage , and all were killed,would they all end up in the same place.

    • the true church isn’t in a building or organization but is the body of all born again believers that our baptized into the body by the Holy Spirit.

    • Belinda, let no one mislead you. The “church” is the entire body of believers in the deity, sonship, life, death, resurrection and eternal kingship of Jesus Christ. The Greek for believe is really to faithe but we don’t have an English verb to faithe so it is translated believe. We must trust in Jesus in all things especially that His blood redeems us to God. The name over the door of the building means nothing and neither do their rules and dogma. Stick to the scriptures, trust in both the Father and Son to lead you by their Spirit and study the word. Don’t look for man’s answer but only God’s. God bless your study.

      • Why would God require the blood of Jesus Christ to save mankind?
        What is God doing with blood?
        Don’t you think this blood thing is symbolic, God using physical things to get man’s attention…
        The words of Jesus Christ and the old testament prophets remain the final guide on the issue of end time.
        The event we describe as rapture is easy to understand, but theologians have made is complex for people to pick the message. Jesus Christ will come to the earth to reign and rule in a physical kingdom on earth, and this He will do with people who believe wholly in Him ( all saints of all ages inclusive). The process of gathering them to himself within a split of time to where ever he will be is the rapture, and this he said will take place after the great tribulation. Luke 21, Mat 24.

      • Yes, the “church” is made up of GOD’s people (souls). The buildings that we call “the church” is just a building. People can congregate in a house, or trailer, or barn. It’s the body of CHRIST, the little flock, the true believer, the child of GOD, his family, the elect. That is all one thing, the church, which is the true Christian. There will be people from all over the world with the LORD when he returns for them, so it’s not just one denomination, but many all coming together as the “family” of GOD.

        • Yes the church is the body of Christ , the people , believers not the building , irrespective of which church/building by name u belong so long as Jesus is the center of everything

    • A church that follows the model laid out in the book of Acts is a true church. Those are the characteristics we should look for when searching for a church.

        • The Bible instructs every individual to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. From what I can see in the scriptures, we must be Biblically born again and living a life in obedience to God’s word. We must have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

          • I also believe you should work out your salvation with fear and trembling but every soul that truly puts their trust in the finished work of calvary will be saved because he that began a good work in us will finish it until the day of Jesus Christ.

  212. as i red about sodom and gomorrah he came for his people just before at the flood again he took his people just before i believe he will take his people just before tribulation starts.

    • Such a position assumes (always bad) that the tribulation = wrath. Also don’t assume God does not know His own word. Tribulation is a time of trouble not wrath. The 7 trumpets are trumpets of judgment and the bowls/vials are filled with wrath. Greek words are clearly different. Neither Lot nor Noah and his family escaped the judgments but God took them through it. The first resurrection clearly includes the tribulation saints (saints = believers = church) and the rapture per both Paul and Jesus is after the tribulation. You are using mans logic rather than God’s word. Glad you are asking questions though.

    • Yes, but it is my understanding that in both cases it was just before GOD’S wrath. The great tribulation is SATAN’S wrath. This is an important distinction. May The Lord Richly Bless You!

  213. I going to be honest I don’t know but I think that if Christ we’re to return any day it would be the day he first came I think he will return on christmas day at 12:00 and we the believers will be taken up as Christ comes to battle

    • well, according to the Jewish calender, Jesus wasn’t born in December. More like Sept-Oct. Not sure how the Dec tradition got started.

  214. I was wondering what you thought about why God would leave the children here during the tribulation. They could not possibly understand the mark of the beast and not to let anyone do that to them. What happens if it is a post tribulation rapture, what about the children. Will he protect them and us from the wrath. How will we eat or have shelter. What can we expect. Thank you

    • god will always protect his children,whether they are big or small. there are over 3800 promises in the bible and one of them is he will never forsake any of us. it says quite often in gods word that he does not respect a person. in other words he makes no difference in us. we are all the same in gods eyes . when the jews came out of Egypt and was in the desert for forty years they had food and water for the journey. god provided. when you think about it their cloths and shoes never wore out. also in first kings chapter 17 verse 6 god had the ravens to bring Elijah bread and meat twice a day. pretty amazing. of course we serve a pretty amazing god, right?

    • Cindy, many of the answers are found in Daniel and Revelation. Please read and study the word so you can prepare for the coming tribulation and wrath of Satan. We prepare now for food and water and when it runs out we barter what we can and depend on neighbors, and GOD will help us get through this time. He did not promise to remove us from it, only to protect us from it. Its vital that you study now so you won’t be deceived and will be informed.

    • Children have been part of all tribulations, wars, pestilence etc. since time began. This will be no different. It is up to parents to be prepared and protect and teach their children. Read the letters to the seven churches and Matt.25. We are expected to anticipate the times, prepare and get away from the world gov. This is why it is so critical for the churches to know and understand that we will go through the tribulation and we must be prepared to survive and overcome the beast.

    • God will provide for us and be with us through anything we face. Psalm 37:25 and Matthew 6:33 assure us that God will do these things. If we will serve God and keep our trust in Him, we know that He will be with us. God bless.

      • such will be til the Lord calls us home, Ps.37:25 commentary from Rev. Swaggart expositor study Bible, and he gives Heb. 11: 35-40. I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. My thots can be, but there are places of suffering, and we are to pray for His coming to end all of this.

  215. Isaiah’s look at the rapture 26: 20-21
    20. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
    21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
    A picture of this event is also found in Matt 25 about the 10 virgins When the Groom comes for his Bride (The Church). Sometime, I think we miss the distinction between tribulation and Gods wrath. We will all have tribulations to overcome, even the more so as the great and notable day of the Lord approaches.
    When God’s wrath was kindled in Noah’s time the ark rose above the wrath, Same as Lot. Born again believers are not appointed to the wrath of God. God has always delivered his own.
    The best part about all this is we will all know very shortly. Even so, come, Lord Jesus

    • nobody knows for sure but it says in acts chapter 2 verse 17 that the last days started on the day of Pentecost and that was 2000 years ago. something to think about. be ready !!!!!!!!!!

    • Very close to the coming of the antichrist. He will come and deceive most people, and he will be working with the false prophet. The bible tells us a lot but you have to study it. Read Daniel and Revelation. A lot has happened to draw us nearer but more will happen. The saved and the unsaved alike will be here for the seal and trumpet judgments of Revelation. Read that for yourself, and then the last judgments are the bowls which are the awful wrath of GOD. The church (the saved) will not be here for those judgments. We will all be here for the wrath of Satan which are the seals and trumpets. At the 7th trumpet the bible tells us (Revelation) that the Kingdoms of this world now belong to JESUS. He will take the present kingdom of man from Satan at that time and begin his own Kingdom. He takes possession right then from Satan who is now the god of this evil world. Read it please.

      • Please be careful when you state that the SAVED will be ruptured. I’m not so sure ALL Christians will go after I started studying the parables about the 10 virgins, the talents, those in the field. Just who are ALL the tribulation SAINTS? I THINK they are the Christians that weren’t ready but thought they were at the rapture! Thus ALL THE WARNINGS from Jesus to watch and BE READY! Think about it and study. Blessings!

    • The last 7 years begins with an peace treaty between Israel and her neighbors for 7 years which allows them to begin the daily sacrifice. Has not happened yet. We need to be very close to a world government and a world monetary system. We are moving quickly toward that now. The ME is being remade into a group of 10 countries that will be lead eventually by the antichrist who will lead the negotiations for that peace treaty. That success will propel him to the head of the world government. I say we are very close and it is possible the first four seals may already be open. Peace treat is the key. All other warnings are general in nature and are happening as we talk.

  216. I actually feel most part of Matt 24 refers to the utter destruction of the city and temple of Jerusalem though we have termed it to refer to the end of the world. I’ll summarise the reasons as follows: Christ said that this generation shall not pass till all this is fulfilled…he also said in Matt 16:28 that some people currently living will not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. My study of history showed that many of the things Christ spoke about were literarilly fulfilled in the decades following his death, moreover, i equally believe that the emphasis of the disciples questions at the time and ultimately Christ’s teachings was on the State of the Jewish Nation

  217. So are there going to be 2 raptures? One that is going to be at a twinkling of an eye, and another one where the dead and Christ has risen and the ones that lived through the tribulations?

    • I believe the rapture happens prior to the tribulation period when believers meet the Lord in the air and his final coming is when He returns to destroy all who have come against him and sets his foot on the ground in Jerusalem.

      • Matthew 24, the rapture when JESUS comes in the clouds will happen after the tribulation and after the antichrist takes total control of the world, and not before. There is no escape route for Christians. We will all be here. Satan has managed to deceive many souls. Study and you will know what is truth from what is a lie.

        • you are right when you say that satan has deceived many. god is going to do a quick work. it says in second timothy chapter 4 that jesus{god} will judge the quick {saved} and the dead {lost} the same day as his appearing.in second peter chapter 3 verse 10 that the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. also in second peter chapter 3 verse 12 it says looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of god wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat